Anyone not like Eddie Lacy? (2 Viewers)

[hotlanta]

Answering the topic question...

<----- This guy right here. Wasn't a fan at his early ADP, and definitely not a fan as he continues to move up up up.

I still believe no Green Bay Packers Running Back will be a real RB2 in the current Aaron Rodgers Machine. People will continue every year to try to find one, to make them fit the mold, and they'll continue to be disappointed. I could totally be wrong, but no, still not buying.

Ryan Grant had 1300 and 1400 back-to-back total yard seasons, which were both with Rodgers at the helm and McCarthy as the coach.

With 5 & 11 total TDs. It is difficult to trust McCarthy to use his RBs at the goal line. Historically he overwhelmingly prefers to pass down in the red zone and at the stripe.

Good point. And don't forget that Kuhn is still around to vulture TDs.

 

[Wadsworth]

I took him at 1.03 in the rookie draft a few months ago and I am now cashing in. I wish the Lacy owners the best of luck but I think his current value is too high for me to go long.

 

[ODannyBoy]

Officially regretting passing on him for Montee Ball in my rookie draft 2 months back...

IMO he is now a strong RB2 worth taking in the 20s.

Way too early for this. Lacy may be more valuable this year, but there's a reason you picked Ball first 2 months ago - long term, talent wins out.

There was. It just wasn't a good one. Lacy is more talented than Ball. As you said, long term, talent wins out.

 

[ODannyBoy]

Officially regretting passing on him for Montee Ball in my rookie draft 2 months back...

IMO he is now a strong RB2 worth taking in the 20s.

Way too early for this. Lacy may be more valuable this year, but there's a reason you picked Ball first 2 months ago - long term, talent wins out.

Which is why he regrets it.

Let's all be honest here. A year ago, it was clear that, of the RBs that were to come out, It was Lacy and Lattimore that people talked about. There were some people that liked Michael's talent but had the concerns. But for the most part, it was these top two and the Balls and Bells and Stacys of the world weren't in the "talent" discussion.

But people got cute as we became inundated with media info. The concerns about this and that and the reported measureable and this guy looked fat, this guy looked slow, this situaiton is this and that, there mUST be a reason this team did this...Oh MY GOD, he fell to the 2nd round,etc, etc.

But now...when we have seen these guys on the field, what do our eyeballs tell us? Of all the rookies that have played in pre-season, honestly, Michael looks awesome and then Lacy. Well, Lacy has opportunity now and Michael doesn't so there's that. But between Lacy and Ball, it is very clear that all the question marks and concerns are now in the Ball owners' hands, not Lacy's.

If his evaluation changed in the last 2 months then I don't know what to tell him. I've always had Ball higher than Lacy, from a talent stand point, although I have consistently been lower on both than the masses. Given the events of August I expect Lacy to perform better in 2013, but dynasty is a lot more than just one year.

Did you really just say that the last 2 months, when we finally see these college players in pads against bonafide NFL grade talent, shouldn't change your evaluation?

 

[MAC_32]

Officially regretting passing on him for Montee Ball in my rookie draft 2 months back...

IMO he is now a strong RB2 worth taking in the 20s.

Way too early for this. Lacy may be more valuable this year, but there's a reason you picked Ball first 2 months ago - long term, talent wins out.

Which is why he regrets it.

Let's all be honest here. A year ago, it was clear that, of the RBs that were to come out, It was Lacy and Lattimore that people talked about. There were some people that liked Michael's talent but had the concerns. But for the most part, it was these top two and the Balls and Bells and Stacys of the world weren't in the "talent" discussion.

But people got cute as we became inundated with media info. The concerns about this and that and the reported measureable and this guy looked fat, this guy looked slow, this situaiton is this and that, there mUST be a reason this team did this...Oh MY GOD, he fell to the 2nd round,etc, etc.

But now...when we have seen these guys on the field, what do our eyeballs tell us? Of all the rookies that have played in pre-season, honestly, Michael looks awesome and then Lacy. Well, Lacy has opportunity now and Michael doesn't so there's that. But between Lacy and Ball, it is very clear that all the question marks and concerns are now in the Ball owners' hands, not Lacy's.

If his evaluation changed in the last 2 months then I don't know what to tell him. I've always had Ball higher than Lacy, from a talent stand point, although I have consistently been lower on both than the masses. Given the events of August I expect Lacy to perform better in 2013, but dynasty is a lot more than just one year.

Did you really just say that the last 2 months, when we finally see these college players in pads against bonafide NFL grade talent, shouldn't change your evaluation?

Not significantly. I put the majority of my evaluation based on what I see in college, when he was picked, who picked him, their fit on the drafted team, and what I know about the player from the neck up - on and off the field. The last month, as far as top prospects go, nudges players one way or the other, but that's it. More significant moves can be justified with day 3 and udfa picks, but the top guys? Not for me anyway. When I have done it in the past I've been burned more often than not. Same when I flip flop on a player too early in their career - like to dislike and dislike to like.

Some call it stubborn, and I like everyone else have my misses, but missing players is not as important as making sure you don't miss on the players you do pick. I'll deal with my misses as long as the players I do pick hit.

 

[Jersey Jammer]

I picked Lacy up last night at 3.01 in a PPR as my RB3, ahead of Wilson, Ridley, Gore Miller amd McFadden. i recognize it's a bit of a reach but like his 3 down possibility and upside, and didn't see any of those other guys with significant upside over him. Ridley was a possibility but he's too boring for me and can always be sat without any warning.

I did have to pass up on some nice WRs to get him (Fitz, AJ, White, Cobb, etc....) but waiting for the draft to get back to me at the 4/5 turn would have left me with the likes of D Rich, Ball, Ingram, etc.... as my RB3 which I wasn't willing to do.

 

[sho nuff]

Answering the topic question...

<----- This guy right here. Wasn't a fan at his early ADP, and definitely not a fan as he continues to move up up up.

I still believe no Green Bay Packers Running Back will be a real RB2 in the current Aaron Rodgers Machine. People will continue every year to try to find one, to make them fit the mold, and they'll continue to be disappointed. I could totally be wrong, but no, still not buying.

Ryan Grant had 1300 and 1400 back-to-back total yard seasons, which were both with Rodgers at the helm and McCarthy as the coach.

With 5 & 11 total TDs. It is difficult to trust McCarthy to use his RBs at the goal line. Historically he overwhelmingly prefers to pass down in the red zone and at the stripe.

Good point. And don't forget that Kuhn is still around to vulture TDs.

Like that big huge 1 TD he vultured last year?

Can people quit acting as if Kuhn is some big threat to anything?

He had 4 TDs in 2010...4 again in 2011. They had no real back capable of carrying the ball near the GL.

They now have a back who has done pretty well around the GL in his college career...who has the body to be that type of back.

And they have seen over last year that the FB dive to Kuhn...while popular with fans who like to yell Kuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnn! Really is not effective at all (and most Packer fans on here cringe when they see him take the handoff because its going right into the pile for no gain).

 

[TheFanatic]

Officially regretting passing on him for Montee Ball in my rookie draft 2 months back...

IMO he is now a strong RB2 worth taking in the 20s.

Way too early for this. Lacy may be more valuable this year, but there's a reason you picked Ball first 2 months ago - long term, talent wins out.

Which is why he regrets it.

Let's all be honest here. A year ago, it was clear that, of the RBs that were to come out, It was Lacy and Lattimore that people talked about. There were some people that liked Michael's talent but had the concerns. But for the most part, it was these top two and the Balls and Bells and Stacys of the world weren't in the "talent" discussion.

But people got cute as we became inundated with media info. The concerns about this and that and the reported measureable and this guy looked fat, this guy looked slow, this situaiton is this and that, there mUST be a reason this team did this...Oh MY GOD, he fell to the 2nd round,etc, etc.

But now...when we have seen these guys on the field, what do our eyeballs tell us? Of all the rookies that have played in pre-season, honestly, Michael looks awesome and then Lacy. Well, Lacy has opportunity now and Michael doesn't so there's that. But between Lacy and Ball, it is very clear that all the question marks and concerns are now in the Ball owners' hands, not Lacy's.

If his evaluation changed in the last 2 months then I don't know what to tell him. I've always had Ball higher than Lacy, from a talent stand point, although I have consistently been lower on both than the masses. Given the events of August I expect Lacy to perform better in 2013, but dynasty is a lot more than just one year.

Did you really just say that the last 2 months, when we finally see these college players in pads against bonafide NFL grade talent, shouldn't change your evaluation?

Not significantly. I put the majority of my evaluation based on what I see in college, when he was picked, who picked him, their fit on the drafted team, and what I know about the player from the neck up - on and off the field. The last month, as far as top prospects go, nudges players one way or the other, but that's it. More significant moves can be justified with day 3 and udfa picks, but the top guys? Not for me anyway. When I have done it in the past I've been burned more often than not. Same when I flip flop on a player too early in their career - like to dislike and dislike to like.

Some call it stubborn, and I like everyone else have my misses, but missing players is not as important as making sure you don't miss on the players you do pick. I'll deal with my misses as long as the players I do pick hit.

So you base your evaluation on everything but what they do on the NFL flield of play. Not exactly sure that is the best idea...

 

[TheFanatic]

Answering the topic question...

<----- This guy right here. Wasn't a fan at his early ADP, and definitely not a fan as he continues to move up up up.

I still believe no Green Bay Packers Running Back will be a real RB2 in the current Aaron Rodgers Machine. People will continue every year to try to find one, to make them fit the mold, and they'll continue to be disappointed. I could totally be wrong, but no, still not buying.

Ryan Grant had 1300 and 1400 back-to-back total yard seasons, which were both with Rodgers at the helm and McCarthy as the coach.

With 5 & 11 total TDs. It is difficult to trust McCarthy to use his RBs at the goal line. Historically he overwhelmingly prefers to pass down in the red zone and at the stripe.

Good point. And don't forget that Kuhn is still around to vulture TDs.

Like that big huge 1 TD he vultured last year?

Can people quit acting as if Kuhn is some big threat to anything?

He had 4 TDs in 2010...4 again in 2011. They had no real back capable of carrying the ball near the GL.

They now have a back who has done pretty well around the GL in his college career...who has the body to be that type of back.

And they have seen over last year that the FB dive to Kuhn...while popular with fans who like to yell Kuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnn! Really is not effective at all (and most Packer fans on here cringe when they see him take the handoff because its going right into the pile for no gain).

You gotta stop with the reality checks. This forum is no place for reality...

 

[Chaka]

Answering the topic question...

<----- This guy right here. Wasn't a fan at his early ADP, and definitely not a fan as he continues to move up up up.

I still believe no Green Bay Packers Running Back will be a real RB2 in the current Aaron Rodgers Machine. People will continue every year to try to find one, to make them fit the mold, and they'll continue to be disappointed. I could totally be wrong, but no, still not buying.

Ryan Grant had 1300 and 1400 back-to-back total yard seasons, which were both with Rodgers at the helm and McCarthy as the coach.

With 5 & 11 total TDs. It is difficult to trust McCarthy to use his RBs at the goal line. Historically he overwhelmingly prefers to pass down in the red zone and at the stripe.

Good point. And don't forget that Kuhn is still around to vulture TDs.

Like that big huge 1 TD he vultured last year?

Can people quit acting as if Kuhn is some big threat to anything?

He had 4 TDs in 2010...4 again in 2011. They had no real back capable of carrying the ball near the GL.

They now have a back who has done pretty well around the GL in his college career...who has the body to be that type of back.

And they have seen over last year that the FB dive to Kuhn...while popular with fans who like to yell Kuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnn! Really is not effective at all (and most Packer fans on here cringe when they see him take the handoff because its going right into the pile for no gain).

3 TDs/year over the last three years for a team that has averaged just under 11 rushing TDs/season over that span sounds potentially significant.

 

[MAC_32]

So you base your evaluation on everything but what they do on the NFL flield of play. Not exactly sure that is the best idea...

Until this point? Yes. The NFL body of work becomes much more relevant as the next season goes on. As of right now the #1's on most teams might have played a full game over the course of 3 weeks. Not much to take away from that.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

For those who don't like Lacy---Do you find yourself not really liking the "bigger" RB's and do you have a tendancy to pick the smaller types? By bigger I guess I mean the power types.

 

[TheFanatic]

So you base your evaluation on everything but what they do on the NFL flield of play. Not exactly sure that is the best idea...

Until this point? Yes. The NFL body of work becomes much more relevant as the next season goes on. As of right now the #1's on most teams might have played a full game over the course of 3 weeks. Not much to take away from that.

Except all of your previous game film is against sub par talent. This is the first time they have played against real NFL players. Why discount that at all?

 

[MAC_32]

For those who don't like Lacy---Do you find yourself not really liking the "bigger" RB's and do you have a tendancy to pick the smaller types? By bigger I guess I mean the power types.

No. I don't think there are any special qualities about his game. He also has medical red flags. He's good, and if given a volume of workload will be productive while healthy. That said, I have doubts about how productive he'll be once he gets banged around, given his running style I don't see him as the type to have a long(er) career. Additionally, he doesn't have a special skill set that will ensure he doesn't get replaced, or at least have his role reduced, by a specialist. Given what's going on currently in Green Bay he is being set up for a good year if he can stay on the field and productive through the rookie wall, but long term? Doubts.

 

[MAC_32]

So you base your evaluation on everything but what they do on the NFL flield of play. Not exactly sure that is the best idea...

Until this point? Yes. The NFL body of work becomes much more relevant as the next season goes on. As of right now the #1's on most teams might have played a full game over the course of 3 weeks. Not much to take away from that.

Except all of your previous game film is against sub par talent. This is the first time they have played against real NFL players. Why discount that at all?

Do you want the sample size argument or the it's preseason football argument? I'm sure there will be a September football argument too, whether that's because he's scuffled out of the gate or exploded...tbd. Using performances in August and September to prepare a narrative for a player is a very dangerous game.

 

[sho nuff]

Answering the topic question...

<----- This guy right here. Wasn't a fan at his early ADP, and definitely not a fan as he continues to move up up up.

I still believe no Green Bay Packers Running Back will be a real RB2 in the current Aaron Rodgers Machine. People will continue every year to try to find one, to make them fit the mold, and they'll continue to be disappointed. I could totally be wrong, but no, still not buying.

Ryan Grant had 1300 and 1400 back-to-back total yard seasons, which were both with Rodgers at the helm and McCarthy as the coach.

With 5 & 11 total TDs. It is difficult to trust McCarthy to use his RBs at the goal line. Historically he overwhelmingly prefers to pass down in the red zone and at the stripe.

Good point. And don't forget that Kuhn is still around to vulture TDs.

Like that big huge 1 TD he vultured last year?

Can people quit acting as if Kuhn is some big threat to anything?

He had 4 TDs in 2010...4 again in 2011. They had no real back capable of carrying the ball near the GL.

They now have a back who has done pretty well around the GL in his college career...who has the body to be that type of back.

And they have seen over last year that the FB dive to Kuhn...while popular with fans who like to yell Kuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnn! Really is not effective at all (and most Packer fans on here cringe when they see him take the handoff because its going right into the pile for no gain).

3 TDs/year over the last three years for a team that has averaged just under 11 rushing TDs/season over that span sounds potentially significant.

Way to make it 3 TDs/year average taking out the fact that he scored ONE last year and looked bad in other opportunities.

Also...in any of those years...did they have a back capable of doing what Lacy can do or has done?

Thanks.

 

[bmsarvis]

For those who don't like Lacy---Do you find yourself not really liking the "bigger" RB's and do you have a tendancy to pick the smaller types? By bigger I guess I mean the power types.

No. I don't think there are any special qualities about his game. He also has medical red flags. He's good, and if given a volume of workload will be productive while healthy. That said, I have doubts about how productive he'll be once he gets banged around, given his running style I don't see him as the type to have a long(er) career. Additionally, he doesn't have a special skill set that will ensure he doesn't get replaced, or at least have his role reduced, by a specialist. Given what's going on currently in Green Bay he is being set up for a good year if he can stay on the field and productive through the rookie wall, but long term? Doubts.

dudes gotta wicked spin move! U got to give em that. I'm high on lacy n have been since before the draft. I also have noticed that I'm becoming a fan of bigger rbs lately. Not sure exactly why as just a couple years ago I was all over cj2k spiller n charles. In my main dynasty I have rostered foster morris trich spiller n now lacy. Cant really see myself trading any of them do to injuries aat the position but at there current values if I was to trade any of them it would be spiller if the right offer came .

choo chooo mofo's

 

[MAC_32]

Maybe watching that spin move over and over again has caused me to think of Mendenhall every time I watch him. Never being a Mendenhall fan this could make a lot of sense..

 

[Chaka]

Answering the topic question...

<----- This guy right here. Wasn't a fan at his early ADP, and definitely not a fan as he continues to move up up up.

I still believe no Green Bay Packers Running Back will be a real RB2 in the current Aaron Rodgers Machine. People will continue every year to try to find one, to make them fit the mold, and they'll continue to be disappointed. I could totally be wrong, but no, still not buying.

Ryan Grant had 1300 and 1400 back-to-back total yard seasons, which were both with Rodgers at the helm and McCarthy as the coach.

With 5 & 11 total TDs. It is difficult to trust McCarthy to use his RBs at the goal line. Historically he overwhelmingly prefers to pass down in the red zone and at the stripe.

Good point. And don't forget that Kuhn is still around to vulture TDs.

Like that big huge 1 TD he vultured last year?

Can people quit acting as if Kuhn is some big threat to anything?

He had 4 TDs in 2010...4 again in 2011. They had no real back capable of carrying the ball near the GL.

They now have a back who has done pretty well around the GL in his college career...who has the body to be that type of back.

And they have seen over last year that the FB dive to Kuhn...while popular with fans who like to yell Kuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnn! Really is not effective at all (and most Packer fans on here cringe when they see him take the handoff because its going right into the pile for no gain).

3 TDs/year over the last three years for a team that has averaged just under 11 rushing TDs/season over that span sounds potentially significant.

Way to make it 3 TDs/year average taking out the fact that he scored ONE last year and looked bad in other opportunities.

Also...in any of those years...did they have a back capable of doing what Lacy can do or has done?

Thanks.

And he scored four each of the previous two years so what's your point? You guaranteeing that Kuhn's ceiling is vulturing only one rushing TD when he has proven capable of doing otherwise?

And since McCarthy came on board only one time did the beat the league average for rushing TDs with 20 in 2009 (a number bolstered by 5 from Aaron Rodgers) and that season Grant led the team with 11 rushing TDs.

2006 9 TDs - 5 by Ahman Green, 3 vultured by other RBs

2007 13 TDs - 8 by Ryan Grant, 5 vultured by other RBs

2008 11 TDs - 4 by Ryan Grant, 4 by Rodgers and 3 vultured by other RBs

2009 20 TDs - 11 by Ryan Grant, 5 by Rodgers and 4 vultured by other RBs

2010 11 TDs - 4 by John Kuhn, 4 by Rodgers and 3 from Brandon Jackson

2011 11 TDs - 4 by John Kuhn, 3 by Rodgers, 2 from Grant, 1 from Starks and 1 from Matt Flynn

2012 9 TDs - 2 from Rodgers, Ryan Grant & DuJuan Harris, 1 from Kuhn, Starks and Cedric Benson

So what is Lacy's TD upside really?

 

[sho nuff]

And he scored four each of the previous two years so what's your point? You guaranteeing that Kuhn's ceiling is vulturing only one rushing TD when he has proven capable of doing otherwise?


And since McCarthy came on board only one time did the beat the league average for rushing TDs with 20 in 2009 (a number bolstered by 5 from Aaron Rodgers) and that season Grant led the team with 11 rushing TDs.

2006 9 TDs - 5 by Ahman Green, 3 vultured by other RBs

2007 13 TDs - 8 by Ryan Grant, 5 vultured by other RBs

2008 11 TDs - 4 by Ryan Grant, 4 by Rodgers and 3 vultured by other RBs

2009 20 TDs - 11 by Ryan Grant, 5 by Rodgers and 4 vultured by other RBs

2010 11 TDs - 4 by John Kuhn, 4 by Rodgers and 3 from Brandon Jackson

2011 11 TDs - 4 by John Kuhn, 3 by Rodgers, 2 from Grant, 1 from Starks and 1 from Matt Flynn

2012 9 TDs - 2 from Rodgers, Ryan Grant & DuJuan Harris, 1 from Kuhn, Starks and Cedric Benson

So what is Lacy's TD upside really?

My point is that Kuhn is not a real threat. Watching him run last year near the GL showed that.

For a bit he was not even certain to make the final roster.

Lacy's upside...he is more talented than every one of those RBs you just listed after naming Ahman Green.

What McCarthy has done is important...its why I still limit my prediction of Lacy to 1000/10.

But then again...when has McCarthy had a RB like Lacy...he had Grant...and used him quite a bit didn't he?

 

[Chaka]

And he scored four each of the previous two years so what's your point? You guaranteeing that Kuhn's ceiling is vulturing only one rushing TD when he has proven capable of doing otherwise?


And since McCarthy came on board only one time did the beat the league average for rushing TDs with 20 in 2009 (a number bolstered by 5 from Aaron Rodgers) and that season Grant led the team with 11 rushing TDs.

2006 9 TDs - 5 by Ahman Green, 3 vultured by other RBs

2007 13 TDs - 8 by Ryan Grant, 5 vultured by other RBs

2008 11 TDs - 4 by Ryan Grant, 4 by Rodgers and 3 vultured by other RBs

2009 20 TDs - 11 by Ryan Grant, 5 by Rodgers and 4 vultured by other RBs

2010 11 TDs - 4 by John Kuhn, 4 by Rodgers and 3 from Brandon Jackson

2011 11 TDs - 4 by John Kuhn, 3 by Rodgers, 2 from Grant, 1 from Starks and 1 from Matt Flynn

2012 9 TDs - 2 from Rodgers, Ryan Grant & DuJuan Harris, 1 from Kuhn, Starks and Cedric Benson

So what is Lacy's TD upside really?

My point is that Kuhn is not a real threat. Watching him run last year near the GL showed that.

For a bit he was not even certain to make the final roster.

Lacy's upside...he is more talented than every one of those RBs you just listed after naming Ahman Green.

What McCarthy has done is important...its why I still limit my prediction of Lacy to 1000/10.

But then again...when has McCarthy had a RB like Lacy...he had Grant...and used him quite a bit didn't he?

He had Deuce McAllister from '01-04 in New Orleans and he got him over 9 TDs one time.

That's two RBs over 9 TDs since 2001

 

[sho nuff]

And he scored four each of the previous two years so what's your point? You guaranteeing that Kuhn's ceiling is vulturing only one rushing TD when he has proven capable of doing otherwise?


And since McCarthy came on board only one time did the beat the league average for rushing TDs with 20 in 2009 (a number bolstered by 5 from Aaron Rodgers) and that season Grant led the team with 11 rushing TDs.

2006 9 TDs - 5 by Ahman Green, 3 vultured by other RBs

2007 13 TDs - 8 by Ryan Grant, 5 vultured by other RBs

2008 11 TDs - 4 by Ryan Grant, 4 by Rodgers and 3 vultured by other RBs

2009 20 TDs - 11 by Ryan Grant, 5 by Rodgers and 4 vultured by other RBs

2010 11 TDs - 4 by John Kuhn, 4 by Rodgers and 3 from Brandon Jackson

2011 11 TDs - 4 by John Kuhn, 3 by Rodgers, 2 from Grant, 1 from Starks and 1 from Matt Flynn

2012 9 TDs - 2 from Rodgers, Ryan Grant & DuJuan Harris, 1 from Kuhn, Starks and Cedric Benson

So what is Lacy's TD upside really?

My point is that Kuhn is not a real threat. Watching him run last year near the GL showed that.

For a bit he was not even certain to make the final roster.

Lacy's upside...he is more talented than every one of those RBs you just listed after naming Ahman Green.

What McCarthy has done is important...its why I still limit my prediction of Lacy to 1000/10.

But then again...when has McCarthy had a RB like Lacy...he had Grant...and used him quite a bit didn't he?

He had Deuce McAllister from '01-04 in New Orleans and he got him over 9 TDs one time.

That's two RBs over 9 TDs since 2001

Deuce

01 - rookie and a kick returner more than an RB...but glad you counted him as something that year. He had 16 carries.

02 - 13 TDs in 15 games. Added 3 receiving TDs too...so 16 total in 15 games.

03 - 8 TDs

04 - 9 TDs...in 14 games.

Are we going to complain that 9TDs is a bad thing for Lacy to get?

Its not like Im predicting huge numbers for him.

10 TDs...not a huge prediction.

 

[Man of Zen]

I think the only thing we really need to concern ourselves with is the preconception that McCarthy is a dyed-in-the-wool committee guy. Deuce, Ahman, and Grant show pretty conclusively that when he has a back he trusts with a full load, he gives it to him. And more often than not, that full load has included plenty of TD opportunities.

Early returns say it looks like he's going to trust Lacy with that kind of role out of the gate. Chances which are buoyed by the fact that the stiffest competition is now IR'd.

 

[BWill]

Lol dude picked Lacy in the beginning of the second round in my league. FITZ @ 8, Lacy @ 12
Crazy!

 

[Man of Zen]

That...might be a tad optimistic.

 

[BigJim®]

For those who don't like Lacy---Do you find yourself not really liking the "bigger" RB's and do you have a tendancy to pick the smaller types? By bigger I guess I mean the power types.

This describes me (although I do own Lacy since he fell to 1.9 in a rookie draft and I felt compelled to roll the dice). I've always preferred the RBs who are bigger than scat backs, yet elusive and uncanny avoidance of contact. I'd much rather invest in a RB like that than a guy who tries to use brute strength.

 

[Englishteacher]

For those who don't like Lacy---Do you find yourself not really liking the "bigger" RB's and do you have a tendancy to pick the smaller types? By bigger I guess I mean the power types.

No. I don't think there are any special qualities about his game. He also has medical red flags. He's good, and if given a volume of workload will be productive while healthy. That said, I have doubts about how productive he'll be once he gets banged around, given his running style I don't see him as the type to have a long(er) career. Additionally, he doesn't have a special skill set that will ensure he doesn't get replaced, or at least have his role reduced, by a specialist. Given what's going on currently in Green Bay he is being set up for a good year if he can stay on the field and productive through the rookie wall, but long term? Doubts.

The medical red flags were what caused him to fall in the first place. Myself, I'm in on his talent and more or less his opportunity, but I don't want a McFadden JStew situation from my 1.01 dynasty pick. That said you play to win and it's football. -- More or less if I can get the 1.01 I'm taking him.

 

[Beerguzzler]

Yea I don't think anyone can argue the guy wasn't the top back coming out of college. His medical red flags are what dropped him to the 2nd round.

 

[rocketsauce]

And he scored four each of the previous two years so what's your point? You guaranteeing that Kuhn's ceiling is vulturing only one rushing TD when he has proven capable of doing otherwise?

And since McCarthy came on board only one time did the beat the league average for rushing TDs with 20 in 2009 (a number bolstered by 5 from Aaron Rodgers) and that season Grant led the team with 11 rushing TDs.

2006 9 TDs - 5 by Ahman Green, 3 vultured by other RBs

2007 13 TDs - 8 by Ryan Grant, 5 vultured by other RBs

2008 11 TDs - 4 by Ryan Grant, 4 by Rodgers and 3 vultured by other RBs

2009 20 TDs - 11 by Ryan Grant, 5 by Rodgers and 4 vultured by other RBs

2010 11 TDs - 4 by John Kuhn, 4 by Rodgers and 3 from Brandon Jackson

2011 11 TDs - 4 by John Kuhn, 3 by Rodgers, 2 from Grant, 1 from Starks and 1 from Matt Flynn

2012 9 TDs - 2 from Rodgers, Ryan Grant & DuJuan Harris, 1 from Kuhn, Starks and Cedric Benson

So what is Lacy's TD upside really?

This breakdown right here shows the exact reason why I've never bought any of these potential Green Bay Fantasy RB2s that grab people's attention each year, and I'm still not buying it with Eddie Lacy. Can he get the yards? Sure, he CAN, but I think they're gonna mix in a lot of pieces (Starks, Green, Franklin, and yes, even Kuhn) and it will keep his value from being as strong as the majority of the fantasy community wants it to be.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Well Im all in on Lacy...it was either him or Wilson, and I went with Lacy.

CHOO CHOO mutha####as!!

 

[MAC_32]

For those who don't like Lacy---Do you find yourself not really liking the "bigger" RB's and do you have a tendancy to pick the smaller types? By bigger I guess I mean the power types.

No. I don't think there are any special qualities about his game. He also has medical red flags. He's good, and if given a volume of workload will be productive while healthy. That said, I have doubts about how productive he'll be once he gets banged around, given his running style I don't see him as the type to have a long(er) career. Additionally, he doesn't have a special skill set that will ensure he doesn't get replaced, or at least have his role reduced, by a specialist. Given what's going on currently in Green Bay he is being set up for a good year if he can stay on the field and productive through the rookie wall, but long term? Doubts.

The medical red flags were what caused him to fall in the first place. Myself, I'm in on his talent and more or less his opportunity, but I don't want a McFadden JStew situation from my 1.01 dynasty pick. That said you play to win and it's football. -- More or less if I can get the 1.01 I'm taking him.

i traded all of my chips and ended up with four picks in next year's first. I don't want to pick the best perceived players this year, i want the best players. Period.

 

[Chaka]

And he scored four each of the previous two years so what's your point? You guaranteeing that Kuhn's ceiling is vulturing only one rushing TD when he has proven capable of doing otherwise?


And since McCarthy came on board only one time did the beat the league average for rushing TDs with 20 in 2009 (a number bolstered by 5 from Aaron Rodgers) and that season Grant led the team with 11 rushing TDs.

2006 9 TDs - 5 by Ahman Green, 3 vultured by other RBs

2007 13 TDs - 8 by Ryan Grant, 5 vultured by other RBs

2008 11 TDs - 4 by Ryan Grant, 4 by Rodgers and 3 vultured by other RBs

2009 20 TDs - 11 by Ryan Grant, 5 by Rodgers and 4 vultured by other RBs

2010 11 TDs - 4 by John Kuhn, 4 by Rodgers and 3 from Brandon Jackson

2011 11 TDs - 4 by John Kuhn, 3 by Rodgers, 2 from Grant, 1 from Starks and 1 from Matt Flynn

2012 9 TDs - 2 from Rodgers, Ryan Grant & DuJuan Harris, 1 from Kuhn, Starks and Cedric Benson

So what is Lacy's TD upside really?

My point is that Kuhn is not a real threat. Watching him run last year near the GL showed that.

For a bit he was not even certain to make the final roster.

Lacy's upside...he is more talented than every one of those RBs you just listed after naming Ahman Green.

What McCarthy has done is important...its why I still limit my prediction of Lacy to 1000/10.

But then again...when has McCarthy had a RB like Lacy...he had Grant...and used him quite a bit didn't he?

He had Deuce McAllister from '01-04 in New Orleans and he got him over 9 TDs one time.

That's two RBs over 9 TDs since 2001

Deuce

01 - rookie and a kick returner more than an RB...but glad you counted him as something that year. He had 16 carries.

02 - 13 TDs in 15 games. Added 3 receiving TDs too...so 16 total in 15 games.

03 - 8 TDs

04 - 9 TDs...in 14 games.

Are we going to complain that 9TDs is a bad thing for Lacy to get?

Its not like Im predicting huge numbers for him.

10 TDs...not a huge prediction.

I was talking about every team McCarthy was the OC or HC for (he had a guy named Ricky Williams in '00 and '01 and he produced 9 & 7 total TDs). McCarthy has only produced two double digit TD seasons from a running back in 13 years, his teams average 12 rushing TDs/season with at least three TDs vultured by the non-primary RB (or QB) every season then yes 10 TDs does not seem like a realistic prediction.

Much like the Franklin Mint past returns are not a predictor of future value so could Lacy hit double digits? Yes, absolutely he looks to be the only show in town and that has real value. But historically McCarthy runs the ball as a last resort and that is also something to keep in mind when projecting Lacy.

 

[Chaka]

I think the only thing we really need to concern ourselves with is the preconception that McCarthy is a dyed-in-the-wool committee guy. Deuce, Ahman, and Grant show pretty conclusively that when he has a back he trusts with a full load, he gives it to him. And more often than not, that full load has included plenty of TD opportunities.

Early returns say it looks like he's going to trust Lacy with that kind of role out of the gate. Chances which are buoyed by the fact that the stiffest competition is now IR'd.

I think that is a fair point; I believe McCarthy has had a bellcow back seven seasons during his 13 year tenure as an OC and HC. Ricky Williams in '00 & '01, Deuce in '02, '03 & '04 and Ryan Grant in '07 & '09.

During those seasons McCarthy's starting RB averaged 1559 total yards and 9.7 total TDs. Accounting for missed games his starting RB put up 107 yards and .67 TDs/game.

The question is does anyone think Lacy is of the same caliber as Ricky Williams, Deuce McAllister or Ryan Grant?

If it's Ryan Grant then it's you should expect about 1275 total yards and 9 TDs

If it's Williams/Deuce then it will be closer to 1673 and 10 TDs.

 

[MCguidance]

I think the only thing we really need to concern ourselves with is the preconception that McCarthy is a dyed-in-the-wool committee guy. Deuce, Ahman, and Grant show pretty conclusively that when he has a back he trusts with a full load, he gives it to him. And more often than not, that full load has included plenty of TD opportunities.

Early returns say it looks like he's going to trust Lacy with that kind of role out of the gate. Chances which are buoyed by the fact that the stiffest competition is now IR'd.

I think that is a fair point; I believe McCarthy has had a bellcow back seven seasons during his 13 year tenure as an OC and HC. Ricky Williams in '00 & '01, Deuce in '02, '03 & '04 and Ryan Grant in '07 & '09.

During those seasons McCarthy's starting RB averaged 1559 total yards and 9.7 total TDs. Accounting for missed games his starting RB put up 107 yards and .67 TDs/game.

The question is does anyone think Lacy is of the same caliber as Ricky Williams, Deuce McAllister or Ryan Grant?

If it's Ryan Grant then it's you should expect about 1275 total yards and 9 TDs

If it's Williams/Deuce then it will be closer to 1673 and 10 TDs.

I can very easily see somewhere in between, if Cobb, Finley, and Nelson all stay healthy and the line can block. I'm more concerned about the line than anything else, actually.

 

[TheFanatic]

So you base your evaluation on everything but what they do on the NFL flield of play. Not exactly sure that is the best idea...

Until this point? Yes. The NFL body of work becomes much more relevant as the next season goes on. As of right now the #1's on most teams might have played a full game over the course of 3 weeks. Not much to take away from that.

Except all of your previous game film is against sub par talent. This is the first time they have played against real NFL players. Why discount that at all?

Do you want the sample size argument or the it's preseason football argument? I'm sure there will be a September football argument too, whether that's because he's scuffled out of the gate or exploded...tbd. Using performances in August and September to prepare a narrative for a player is a very dangerous game.

How about the fact that you aren't a telent scout? And that since you are already not any good at evaluating talent, and I realize you think you are but if you were you would work for a team and not be on a board like this, and thus you should take into account all the information and not discount the small sample size or the pre-season aspect. Just something to think about.

 

[MAC_32]

So you base your evaluation on everything but what they do on the NFL flield of play. Not exactly sure that is the best idea...

Until this point? Yes. The NFL body of work becomes much more relevant as the next season goes on. As of right now the #1's on most teams might have played a full game over the course of 3 weeks. Not much to take away from that.

Except all of your previous game film is against sub par talent. This is the first time they have played against real NFL players. Why discount that at all?

Do you want the sample size argument or the it's preseason football argument? I'm sure there will be a September football argument too, whether that's because he's scuffled out of the gate or exploded...tbd. Using performances in August and September to prepare a narrative for a player is a very dangerous game.

How about the fact that you aren't a telent scout? And that since you are already not any good at evaluating talent, and I realize you think you are but if you were you would work for a team and not be on a board like this, and thus you should take into account all the information and not discount the small sample size or the pre-season aspect. Just something to think about.

I didn't find my passion for mining for football talent until I was well into my 20's, about to get married, and wanting to start having kids. Would not have been a good time to pursue an unpaid internship amidst 1,000+ other applicants with a football team that is probably nowhere near where I am currently living in the hopes that maybe I can find a way to squeeze my way through the door into some meaningful pay in 7-10 years. If I had discovered this when I was 19...20...before I met my wife, I'd have explored the option and given it a few years to see if it was feasible, but at 25? Family > football.

My dynasty teams have been successful with my strategy and evaluations. I don't miss on 1st round players, I avoid land mines, have had a reasonable amount of success with mid round players/veteran waiver pick up's, and have done very well finding cheap WR's before they blow up. Trusting my eye and my notes works for me. Do what works best for you.

 

[Englishteacher]

I think the only thing we really need to concern ourselves with is the preconception that McCarthy is a dyed-in-the-wool committee guy. Deuce, Ahman, and Grant show pretty conclusively that when he has a back he trusts with a full load, he gives it to him. And more often than not, that full load has included plenty of TD opportunities.

Early returns say it looks like he's going to trust Lacy with that kind of role out of the gate. Chances which are buoyed by the fact that the stiffest competition is now IR'd.

I think that is a fair point; I believe McCarthy has had a bellcow back seven seasons during his 13 year tenure as an OC and HC. Ricky Williams in '00 & '01, Deuce in '02, '03 & '04 and Ryan Grant in '07 & '09.

During those seasons McCarthy's starting RB averaged 1559 total yards and 9.7 total TDs. Accounting for missed games his starting RB put up 107 yards and .67 TDs/game.

The question is does anyone think Lacy is of the same caliber as Ricky Williams, Deuce McAllister or Ryan Grant?

If it's Ryan Grant then it's you should expect about 1275 total yards and 9 TDs

If it's Williams/Deuce then it will be closer to 1673 and 10 TDs.

Let's take the midpoint as Lacy has yet to prove he's Ricky or Deuce and theoretically is a better prospect than Grant. That puts us at 1475 yards and 9.5 TD's. Where does that rank him in terms of historical RB placement (#) ?

 

[Biabreakable]

4 out 5 of these guys pick Lacy as offensive rookie of the year- http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000236947/article/atls-rookie-of-the-year-predictions

Eddie Lacy-AD 4.07I was down on this guy coming out of college, and nothing I have seen so far has changed anything for me. Granted, he looked solid against the Rams a few weeks ago, and preseason reports have been mostly great. However, there are a few things that need to be pointed out.



Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results-Albert Einstein


That is how I feel about the recent Alabama backs. The notable exception for me is Trent Richardson, who I think is every bit as talented as he appears to be. How does this relate to Lacy though? Good question. Would it surprise you to learn that Lacy is actually older than Richardson? That is a red flag. The older player wasn't able to dominate production until the younger, more talented player left. That is essentially what that is telling me. Granted, they are a month apart, but Lacy wasn't able to make people notice him until Richardson left to the pros.

So clearly, the Alabama coaches considered Richardson much more talented. But so what, you say. What if Lacy isn't as talented as Richardson? He still could be good. True. Lets look a bit further. We've had four dominate Alabama backs in the last 5 years. 2009 saw Glenn Coffee drafted by the niners. 2010 gave us Mark Ingram. In 2012, Trent Richardson entered the league. And finally, in 2013, we get Eddie Lacy.

This next part is hard to put into words, so I'm going to show you the data in a table.

Year Att YDs YPC TD REC YDs DR NFL YPC

Eddie Lacy 2012 204 1322 6.5 17 22 189 43.8% ????

Trent Richardson 2011 283 1679 5.9 21 29 338 60.8% 3.6

Mark Ingram 2009 283 1658 6.1 17 32 334 55.0% 3.9

Glen Coffee 2008 233 1383 5.9 10 16 118 44.6% 2.7
I built this table to compare Lacy against his predecessors. DR is a measurement I used before in an article on CP84. It essentially tells us how much of the teams yards and TDs a player was able to accrue. It isn't as predictive for RBs as it can be for WRs, but there is still a story to tell here. First, Richardson is talented. Much more talented than Lacy. As a younger player, he dominated the rushing attack with Lacy still there. Second, based on this list, Mark Ingram could very well be the second most talented back to come out of Bama in the past 5 years. The same "3 yards and a cloud of dust" Mark Ingram. Third, as we can tell, and has been proven before, not just in this table, college efficiency numbers are a poor predictive measurement of NFL efficiency.

Obviously. While the situations are different, It is a big, big red flag that Lacy couldn't get more of a DR. He had the lowest of the group. His share of the touches were eaten into by a talented freshman. Very bad sign. Let's move on to his athletic comps.

At first glance, things look boring. He ran a 4.58 40 yard dash time at his pro day, which is honestly better than I expected. Not saying much, I know. It gives him a slightly above average speed score of 104.5. Good, but not great. I obviously won't ding him for that, as he IS slightly above average, but that definitely isn't fast. Not at all. He also clocked 4.44 on the short shuttle. For comparison, Christine Michael, who I mentioned before, ran a 4.02 short shuttle drill. While it may not seem like a big difference, in a short drill like that it is a big difference.

We can't calculate Lacy's Agility Score because he didn't run the 3 cone drill. If we estimate his 3 cone drill to be about 6.9, that puts his Agility Score at about 11.34. Decidedly mediocre. So Lacy isn't a great athlete. That doesn't preclude him from success. However, taken into account his terrible DR rating from his best year at Alabama, and we are starting to paint the picture of a guy that just isn't that good. I very well may be wrong on Lacy, and if there was any situation he would succeed in, it is probably the Packers. Enough red flags exist that I will be passing on Lacy in every draft unless he falls precipitously.

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2013/8/29/4664874/redhats-fantasy-football-guide-fixing-some-broken-adps

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results-Albert Einstein

That is how I feel about the recent Alabama backs.

Those Jeff Tedford QBs really suck too, huh.

 

[Biabreakable]

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results-Albert Einstein

That is how I feel about the recent Alabama backs.

Those Jeff Tedford QBs really suck too, huh.

Not saying I agree with RedHat's ideas here. I just thought it was interesting comparing the recent Alabama RB.

Just based on the numbers Lacy looks somewhere in between Glenn Coffee and Mark Ingram.

I think Lacy had the best offensive line in college football clearing the way for him as well, as evidenced by high draft picks of Chance Warmack G 10th and DJ Fluker 11th as well as 4th round pick Barrett Jones. That is a lot invested into some quality linemen paving Lacy's way.

Lacy has gone to perhaps the worst offensive line in the league.

This will be a good study for how much an offensive line matters for a RB or not I think. Or if a elite QB cures all ills.

 

[Alluro]

How is DR a good measurement if the team Lacy played on is more talented than the rest?

 

[Kenny Powers]

Not saying I agree with RedHat's ideas here. I just thought it was interesting comparing the recent Alabama RB.

Just based on the numbers Lacy looks somewhere in between Glenn Coffee and Mark Ingram.

I think Lacy had the best offensive line in college football clearing the way for him as well, as evidenced by high draft picks of Chance Warmack G 10th and DJ Fluker 11th as well as 4th round pick Barrett Jones. That is a lot invested into some quality linemen paving Lacy's way.

I actually agree with a lot of the guys he calls overvalued or undervalued in that article, but Lacy is one I disagree with.

How based on the numbers does he look like something between Coffee and Lacy? You say Lacy played behind the best OL in college football. Newsflash, Trent played behind that same OL - or at least the 3 studs who got picked this year - and averaged 0.6 less YPC than Lacy in their "feature back" year.

While GB may have a bottom 1/3 OL, they also have an elite QB and numerous weapons on the outside that will spread the field and prevent teams making Lacy their target to stop.

 

[Biabreakable]

How is DR a good measurement if the team Lacy played on is more talented than the rest?

Not sure how to answer that. Alabama is definitely a top football school and they draw some of the best recruits in the nation to their team year after year.

They play against teams who for the most part do not have the same level of talent as they do.

The DR as I understand it, is a way to compare players on the same team, based on how much playing time/use they earned compared to the other players they were competing with.

So for this example it shows that Lacy was not good enough to earn more playing time while Richardson was there. Then once Richardson was gone Lacy was not so much better than the young RB behind him that he earned a DR higher than Coffee managed before him, who had to give up playing time to a younger Mark Ingram.

So it is a comparison of the Alabama RBs in how much of a time share or not they earned based on relative talent compared with each other.

At least that is what I get out of that.

eta- According to this - http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/databaseresults/_/sportid/24/class/2009/sort/grade/order/true/starsfilter/GT/ratingfilter/GT/rating/76/position/RB/statuscommit/Commitments/statusuncommit/Uncommited

Lacy is rated as an 81 from the same draft class as Richardson who was rated as a 91. Knile Davis is rated as an 80. Christine Michael and David Wilson are rated as 83.

From other draft classes around that time frame Johnathan Dwyer is rated as an 81. Mark Ingram was an 81. Ellington and Ryan Williams were an 83. McCoy and Spiller rated as 84.

DeMarco Murray is rated as a 92.

The young guys cutting into Lacy's playing time last season were Hart an 81 and Grant a 79.

 

[Kenny Powers]

4 out 5 of these guys pick Lacy as offensive rookie of the year- http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000236947/article/atls-rookie-of-the-year-predictions

Year Att YDs YPC TD REC YDs DR NFL YPC

Eddie Lacy 2012 204 1322 6.5 17 22 189 43.8% ????

Trent Richardson 2011 283 1679 5.9 21 29 338 60.8% 3.6

Mark Ingram 2009 283 1658 6.1 17 32 334 55.0% 3.9

Glen Coffee 2008 233 1383 5.9 10 16 118 44.6% 2.7

That doesn't preclude him from success. However, taken into account his terrible DR rating from his best year at Alabama, and we are starting to paint the picture of a guy that just isn't that good. I very well may be wrong on Lacy, and if there was any situation he would succeed in, it is probably the Packers. Enough red flags exist that I will be passing on Lacy in every draft unless he falls precipitously.

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2013/8/29/4664874/redhats-fantasy-football-guide-fixing-some-broken-adps

There is so much faulty reasoning here I dont know where to start.

That is how I feel about the recent Alabama backs. The notable exception for me is Trent Richardson, who I think is every bit as talented as he appears to be. How does this relate to Lacy though? Good question. Would it surprise you to learn that Lacy is actually older than Richardson? That is a red flag. The older player wasn't able to dominate production until the younger, more talented player left. That is essentially what that is telling me. Granted, they are a month apart.

How often age is brought up in this article is laughable. Here we have him pounding the drum that Lacy is older than Richardson and couldnt get touches because of the more talented younger TR, only to admit its by a month, and failing to mention how Richardson was the upperclassmen everyone knew was going to be their workhorse in 2011. This is how Bama has operated every year with Saban.

Lacy wasn't able to make people notice him until Richardson left to the pros

Seriously? Either this guy didnt watch Bama games very much or is blindly dismissing Lacy. How could anyone not notice Lacy and the talent that was there in his first 2 seasons where he had 151 carries, 1080 yds (7.2 YPC), and scored 13 TDs. Lacy was more productive per touch in these first 2 seasons that Richardson was in his first 2 seasons.

I built this table to compare Lacy against his predecessors. DR is a measurement I used before in an article on CP84. It essentially tells us how much of the teams yards and TDs a player was able to accrue. It isn't as predictive for RBs as it can be for WRs, but there is still a story to tell here. First, Richardson is talented. Much more talented than Lacy. As a younger player, he dominated the rushing attack with Lacy still there. While the situations are different, It is a big, big red flag that Lacy couldn't get more of a DR. He had the lowest of the group. His share of the touches were eaten into by a talented freshman. Very bad sign.

So it isnt as predictive for RBs, yet this DR for Lacy is a "big, big red flag". If you ask me, this "DR" rating is a load of BS. Here we are back with the younger/older meaningless speak. At least he admitted the situations were different, the main one being to me that AJ McCarron was a 1st year starter for Trent's "feature back" year whereas he was a 2nd year National Champ QB for Lacy's year. That, and McCarron threw 14 more TDs in 2012 than 2011. Im guessing that has a big impact on Lacy's low DR. Maybe? Yes, Yeldon got more carries last year than the previous 2nd fiddle RBs for Bama, but Lacy still had a higher YPC than Yeldon and Im guessing Lacy's toe surgery was part of the reason as well. I couldnt care less if Yeldon was a freshman last year, he was Bama's 2nd best back last year, will be their workhorse this year, and a future high draft pick.

At first glance, things look boring. He ran a 4.58 40 yard dash time at his pro day, which is honestly better than I expected. Not saying much, I know. It gives him a slightly above average speed score of 104.5. Good, but not great. I obviously won't ding him for that, as he IS slightly above average, but that definitely isn't fast.

No argument from me that his 40 time was fast, or that his agility times are either, but there are intangibles, or things that arent measureable. Things like vision or power, 2 things that I think are strong attributes for Lacy.

 

[Kenny Powers]

How is DR a good measurement if the team Lacy played on is more talented than the rest?

The DR as I understand it, is a way to compare players on the same team, based on how much playing time/use they earned compared to the other players they were competing with.

So for this example it shows that Lacy was not good enough to earn more playing time while Richardson was there. Then once Richardson was gone Lacy was not so much better than the young RB behind him that he earned a DR higher than Coffee managed before him, who had to give up playing time to a younger Mark Ingram.

So it is a comparison of the Alabama RBs in how much of a time share or not they earned based on relative talent compared with each other.

As I understand it, your first sentence is correct, and that is why it doesnt particularly matter if Bama is noticeably better than say, 80% of their opponents.

However, the bolded is not correct. First, he is only listing what each lead back did in their final year at Bama. Also, it doesnt solely rely on other RB production, but the entire team. As I said in my previous post, in Trent's listed feature back year in 2011, AJ McCarron threw 16 TDs. Last year in Lacy's year, he threw 30 TDs. I dont know the exact math behind this DR, but Id guarantee this inflated Trent's DR and deflated Lacy's.

Which brings me back to why this DR thing is just BS as far as I can tell. Its much more based on situation than anything, certainly not on relative talent comparison. Im not even going to go further into that because from 2008-2012, the situation surrounding the team was much more different at QB (based on experience primarily) and other positions than their annually loaded backfield talent.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I like the part where he says "We can't calculate Lacy's Agility Score" then fabricates a bad score.

 

[Biabreakable]

I like the part where he says "We can't calculate Lacy's Agility Score" then fabricates a bad score.

He did give Lacy 6.9 3 cone which is above average. The average 3 cone is 7.08

For a player Lacy's size that would be outstanding (and I doubt he would score that high) but believe what you wish.

 

[Biabreakable]

Kenny Powers - I have put you on ignore because you bring nothing to the conversation but self serving arguments. You do not think for yourself in the 1st place so you are always trying to justify other peoples reasoning that you do not fully understand. You argue based on how you have drafted and do not practice objective reasoning.

I will normally respond to anyone who quotes me but I have had to stop doing so because it just makes me and everyone else dumber doing so. Feel free to ignore everything I say from now on as I am you.

Thank you.

 

[kneeunthaface]

Lacy is THIRD on the GB depth chart?! What am I missing here?

 

[joffer]

I don't not like him a lot