Anyone not like Eddie Lacy? (2 Viewers)

[CapnJB]

I see like 1100 total yards and double digit TDs.

The Packers have only had a back do that twice in the last 10 years. I'd temper your expectations a little.

And next year the stat could read that there's only been 2 in the last 11 years.At this point the only reason I would pick a guy like Miller over him is because I'm already keeping Rodgers.

Well.. I looked a little closer at the stats and if you go back 45 years in Packers history, you get 4 guys that ran for 1100+ with 10+ TDs. So that's the sneaky play.

 

[CapnJB]

Capn and Under doing some serious trolling here.

Look...we know the risks with Lacy.

-pass first offense is the main one

What are the other real risks other than a toe issue...that he had fixed before he played his last season and excelled at Bama?

-another RB? Harris is already dinged again and nothing special...Franklin has done nothing...Starks and Green?

-TD vulture...ask most Packer fans how much we love Kuhn's FB dive near the GL...its predictable and doesn't work.

-Rodgers throwing...covered in Pass first offense comment.

-Rodgers running...I think part of why they drafted 2 backs is to get away from that.

The rewards?

-a 3 down capable back that they have not had in some time.

-shows power and burst through holes

-has excelled near the goalline.

-has shown good awareness in pass protection

-weak threats at the RB position

If they do with Lacy what they looked like they were going to do with Benson...he should be a nice pick in FF.

I said 1000/10 before I drafted him...and am sticking with it now that I have drafted him as my RB3.

 

[sho nuff]

Let me preface the 1000/10 as I have before too...since you blackdotted that one...

barring injury to Lacy or Rodgers...he will get his 1000/10.

 

[MCguidance]

On board.

took him at 4.7 as my RB2 with Torrey Smith, Wayne, and David Wilson drafted immediately after. I like Wilson but he's in a more certain time share, but with a much better home run type pedigree.

 

[Beerguzzler]

Well I'm on board the train!! Choooo Choooo

Took him at 1.01 in my dynasty draft. Gio making a push.

 

[Concept Coop]

Let me preface the 1000/10 as I have before too...since you blackdotted that one...

barring injury to Lacy or Rodgers...he will get his 1000/10.

I agree. 1000-1300/8-12

 

[Leonidas]

Did I read the stat line right?

8 carries -5 yards?

Yikes.

It was a solid -5 yards though (at least by the tone of the people who have already drafted him).

He fell on a Harrell fumble for negative 6 yards. Also had an 11 yard run called back by penalty.

But what I do I know, I only watched the game.

So the silver lining box score is 8 rushes for 12 yards?

CHAMPIONSHIP!

What's the purpose of your post? Are you trying to say you're not taking Lacy in your draft? Okay?

I wondered the same thing with the reply from "valhallen".

His post was useful

What do I win?

Useful? How so? No matter how you slice or dice it, 8 carries for 12 yards is not impressive.

Doing a draft right now with a league full of Packer fans. Lacy went 42nd overall....so at least one Packer fan is infatuated with him. BTW...Rodgers went 3rd overall.

Crazy s**t....

Useful because it was actual factual information that was incredibly relevant to the topic at hand.

...and without his post, it wasn't 8 carries for 12 yards, it was for negative yards.

So I think you just answered your question right there in your post.

 

[meyerj31]

Did I read the stat line right?

8 carries -5 yards?

Yikes.

It was a solid -5 yards though (at least by the tone of the people who have already drafted him).

He fell on a Harrell fumble for negative 6 yards. Also had an 11 yard run called back by penalty.

But what I do I know, I only watched the game.

So the silver lining box score is 8 rushes for 12 yards?

CHAMPIONSHIP!

What's the purpose of your post? Are you trying to say you're not taking Lacy in your draft? Okay?

I wondered the same thing with the reply from "valhallen".

His post was useful

What do I win?

Useful? How so? No matter how you slice or dice it, 8 carries for 12 yards is not impressive.

Doing a draft right now with a league full of Packer fans. Lacy went 42nd overall....so at least one Packer fan is infatuated with him. BTW...Rodgers went 3rd overall.

Crazy s**t....

Useful because it was actual factual information that was incredibly relevant to the topic at hand.

...and without his post, it wasn't 8 carries for 12 yards, it was for negative yards.

So I think you just answered your question right there in your post.

42 overall doesn't seem like a reach at all. His ADP on yahoo is 44. In a 1/2/3/1 league with a 1,000/10 season he's worth a 3rd round pick.

 

[Beerguzzler]

McCarthy: DuJuan Harris getting a second opinion. ...Not sure on opener. The norm in this situations.


2nd opinions generally confirm the need for surgery. Lacy wants to eat!

 

[Buffaloes]

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[Touchdown There]

Well I'm on board the train!! Choooo Choooo

Took him at 1.01 in my dynasty draft. Gio making a push.

I just took him at 1.02. 1.01 took Bell, even with the injury. 1.03 Gio

Lacy has to be a 3 down back for this to work out. Don't let me down Pack!

 

[Koya]

McCarthy: DuJuan Harris getting a second opinion. ...Not sure on opener. The norm in this situations.


2nd opinions generally confirm the need for surgery. Lacy wants to eat!

Harris appears to be the only major threat to Lacy getting touches (and I screwed up by not grabbing him in a draft where Lacy fell to me pretty late) - who might fill that role, if anyone? Franklin has not shown much at all, not that I've seen.

Also, if/when Harris is healthy, what chance does he have to get a bulk of carries, or will it be starting in name and getting the smaller part of a 60/40 type split, if that?

 

[Shutout]

At this point, someone would really have to jump off the screen at us to see anyone really rise to cut INTO Lacy's role. To me it seems clear that, at worst, he is the lionshare early down guy and has at least a 50/50 chance of being in on 3rd down. That's a lot.

Really, all that is up in the air at this point is how the situaitons play out. I can see ti going either way, where The Packers score from outside the redzone a lot and Lacy doesn't get many chances down there OR I could see this being a case where you look up every daggoned week and see at least two series in the game where the Packers are on the opponent's 3-4 yard line and there is big ole' Lacy standing there lined up right behind Kuhn.

1000/8

700/12

1200/12

Wouldn't surprise me if ANY of those stat lines became reality but, at worst, he's got to be a guy you feel great about as a RB3, ok with as a RB2, and optimistic with if you find yourself in the middle of the season having to start him as your main guy for a few weeks just because the potential for a TD is almost a certainty every week.

Honestly, when I look at Lacy and the Packers, I look at the falcons and think about what it means to this team if they can take on the persona of a team with a battering ram out there like the Falcons. If a team like that can play a fast tempo like what is becoming a bit popular, and teams have to put all their space eaters in there to stop the big back, Rodgers will go to town on these teams in the passing game.

 

[Faust]

Eddie Lacy will help Packers contend

Motivated second-round pick looks to reward Green Bay for drafting him

The teams that passed on Green Bay running back Eddie Lacy in this year's draft will regret that mistake at some point this season.

He's already given his current team solid proof that he can resolve its well-publicized backfield issues and he's coming into this season with a substantial chip on his shoulder after dropping to the bottom of the second round. Lacy already had the talent to be a difference-maker. Now he has more motivation than any first-year player could ever need.

Lacy must look like a godsend to Green Bay fans right now. The Packers haven't had a Pro Bowl running back since Ahman Green, and Ryan Grant was their last ball carrier to crack the 1,000-yard mark (in 2009). That didn't seem like such a huge problem when Pro Bowl quarterback Aaron Rodgers was coming of age and the Packers were winning a Super Bowl. Now it's obvious that Green Bay can't claim another title until its running game becomes formidable again.

The Packers got their first glimpse of Lacy's skills against St. Louis in their second preseason game. After sitting out Green Bay's preseason opener with a hamstring injury, he gained 40 yards on eight carries. He displayed quickness, agility, power and elusiveness during his time on the field. In short, he was everything the Packers have been hoping to find in a runner who could ease the pressure on Rodgers.

Lacy was so good it's worth discounting his struggles against Seattle this past weekend. His poor production (eight carries for minus-5 yards) had more to do with his circumstances than with any perceived setback. Lacy was playing with a second-string offensive line that was battling the Seahawks' starting defense. To understand how little running room there was in that contest, Packers backup quarterback Vince Young accounted for 39 of Green Bay's 75 yards rushing.

Lacy's impressive preseason work has made him the clear front-runner in the Packers' backfield competition. But it's more than mere numbers that will make Green Bay appreciate his presence. Lacy has been overcoming obstacles for most of the past eight years of his life. Fighting for a starting job with the Packers doesn't come close to what he's been dealing with before he entered the NFL.

Lacy saw his childhood home ravaged by Hurricane Katrina when he was only a 14-year-old growing up in Gretna, La. His family bounced around Texas and Louisiana – sometimes staying with family, other times with strangers – in hopes of stabilizing their lives in the aftermath. The Lacy clan wound up living in a trailer in Geismar, La., where Eddie finished high school. He spent a good portion of those years depressed and sullen, unable to shake the pain of watching his world implode.

The kid who came out of that chaos grew into an All-American at Alabama the old-fashioned way – by grinding it out. Lacy sat behind Mark Ingram, then Trent Richardson and eventually split time with freshman standout T.J. Yeldon last fall. Lacy could've lost his confidence when injuries and a slow start threatened to derail his junior year. Instead, he got stronger every week until he eventually earned offensive most valuable player honors in the Crimson Tide's victories in the SEC championship and national championship games.

The irony here is that somehow Lacy's mental toughness became a concern during the pre-draft process. He said some scouts questioned his passion for football when the topic came up in pre-draft interviews. Others (most notably Denver Broncos general manager John Elway) took issue with Lacy's surgically repaired toe, and many justifiably weren't impressed with Lacy's workouts. He missed the combine and Alabama's Pro Day with a hamstring injury and struggled with conditioning in his private audition for teams.

Although Lacy didn't help himself in the months leading up to the draft, his life story also tells a story of a resilient talent. You give a kid like Lacy a reason to prove himself and he finds a way to do exactly that. He actually turned in the two biggest games of his career – in that SEC title game win over Georgia and the national championship victory over Notre Dame – after learning that his father had been hospitalized with a mild stroke. That's the epitome of responding to the pressure of the moment.

Lacy might not have liked how he wound up with the Packers, especially after three other runners were selected ahead of him on draft day. He had been hailed as the most talented back in this class, and the first round seemed a likely destination for him. True to form, Lacy has used that disappointment as a reason to work even harder. He also has been so grateful for the opportunity to pursue his NFL dream that he is eager to reward the Packers for their faith in him.

This is what happens when you've been through the kinds of trials he has faced in his young life. Lacy has learned enough to know bad times don't last forever and it's best for him to focus on what he can control. The Packers obviously were concerned enough about their running game that they used a fourth-round pick on another back, Johnathan Franklin.

From day one, Lacy knew he wouldn't be given anything in his first year as a professional. That's certainly fine with him.

He made a name for himself at Alabama when many people wondered whether he could fill the large shoes left behind by Richardson's departure. He also endured everything Katrina did to his family, even when it as if like that pain would never end. Now all Lacy has to do is give the Packers that backfield boost they've lacked for three years. Given everything he's been through, he should end up being the biggest steal of this draft.

 

[Man of Zen]

I see like 1100 total yards and double digit TDs.

The Packers have only had a back do that twice in the last 10 years. I'd temper your expectations a little.

And next year the stat could read that there's only been 2 in the last 11 years.At this point the only reason I would pick a guy like Miller over him is because I'm already keeping Rodgers.

Well.. I looked a little closer at the stats and if you go back 45 years in Packers history, you get 4 guys that ran for 1100+ with 10+ TDs. So that's the sneaky play.

More relevant, I think, would be that a back reached those totals the very most recent time McCarthy had a healthy back he trusted to take the big majority of the touches for the year.

 

[Buckna]

He's gone 1.01 in the last two rookie drafts I've done this past week. I had obtained the 1.02 in both. I took Bernard in a 0.5PPR league and traded up to 1.01 to take Lacy in the non-PPR.

 

[strykerpks]

DuJuan Harris to go on IR, McCarthy just said in his presser (no link)

Seems like his ADP will continue to rise.

 

[NajehHejan]

DuJuan Harris to go on IR, McCarthy just said in his presser (no link)

Seems like his ADP will continue to rise.

WOW

 

[LOCO]

hello full tiime back.

 

[Leonidas]

That sucks for Harris, if true...but as a guy with Lacy at RB3 (start 2RB standard scoring) that =

 

[Beerguzzler]

 

[SameSongNDance]

Packers placed RB DuJuan Harris (knee) on injured reserve, ending his season.
Coach Mike McCarthy made the announcement Monday. He didn't rule out the possibility of making Harris the Packers' injured reserve/designated for return player, but that's unlikely. Harris injured his right knee twice over the course of OTAs and the preseason, and likely needs surgery. Eddie Lacy will open the season as Green Bay's clear-cut lead back, and possibly operate as an every-down back. His fantasy value is soaring. Alex Green, Johnathan Franklin, and James Starks round out the depth chart.

 

[Wadsworth]

So who is the second best RB to have from GB?

 

[Kenny Powers]

So who is the second best RB to have from GB?

Id just pass and look at backups from other teams. Weve had 2 years to see what Alex Green and Starks are, and Franklin at this point doesnt seem any better.

 

[Shutout]

Wow, lacy is going to have to be decompressed he is rising so quickly.

I'm going to guess Alex Green is the next guy in line at this point. If anything, it probably salvages Franklin a bit. He probably has a clearer cut COP role now (if Lacy misses time).

 

[sho nuff]

Wow, lacy is going to have to be decompressed he is rising so quickly.

I'm going to guess Alex Green is the next guy in line at this point. If anything, it probably salvages Franklin a bit. He probably has a clearer cut COP role now (if Lacy misses time).

Just glad I drafted before this news.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Wow, lacy is going to have to be decompressed he is rising so quickly.

I'm going to guess Alex Green is the next guy in line at this point. If anything, it probably salvages Franklin a bit. He probably has a clearer cut COP role now (if Lacy misses time).

Just glad I drafted before this news.

What news? Harris going on IR? I really dont think Harris was holding more than 1% of people back from drafting Lacy due to the notion of Harris stealing touches.

 

[Beerguzzler]

Wow, lacy is going to have to be decompressed he is rising so quickly.

I'm going to guess Alex Green is the next guy in line at this point. If anything, it probably salvages Franklin a bit. He probably has a clearer cut COP role now (if Lacy misses time).

Just glad I drafted before this news.

What news? Harris going on IR? I really dont think Harris was holding more than 1% of people back from drafting Lacy due to the notion of Harris stealing touches.

If it wasn't, well there's not much else I can say. Any RB that stands to lose touches to any RB is devalued. 3 down backs aren't all that common in the league. Not to mention that if Lacy is getting pass play snaps, well that takes him into RB1 level.

It's why Lacy's value wasn't high since most assumed that Franklin would be in the game for pass protection. Obviously that hasn't occured.

 

[Koya]

Wow, lacy is going to have to be decompressed he is rising so quickly.

I'm going to guess Alex Green is the next guy in line at this point. If anything, it probably salvages Franklin a bit. He probably has a clearer cut COP role now (if Lacy misses time).

Just glad I drafted before this news.

What news? Harris going on IR? I really dont think Harris was holding more than 1% of people back from drafting Lacy due to the notion of Harris stealing touches.

Consider me, and a lot of people I know part of that 1%.

I guess that makes the rest of you the 99%.

 

[Mario Kart]

Great time to buy the future starter in Green Bay... Jonathan Franklin.

 

[Leonidas]

Great time to buy the future starter in Green Bay... Jonathan Franklin.

How future?

 

[Mario Kart]

Great time to buy the future starter in Green Bay... Jonathan Franklin.

How future?

By midseason it will be RBBC. Next year is Franklin time.

 

[Touchdown There]

Great time to buy the future starter in Green Bay... Jonathan Franklin.

Can this happen? Yes. Will this happen if Lacy stays healthy? No

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I'm strongly considering Lacy at 3.02 in a 12-teamer if Ridley and the rest of that tier of backs are gone (Murray, Gore, Wilson, Miller still on the board). He's just not making it back to the end of the 4th in many of the mocks I'm doing and there are still lots of good WR options on the board by then.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Wow, lacy is going to have to be decompressed he is rising so quickly.

I'm going to guess Alex Green is the next guy in line at this point. If anything, it probably salvages Franklin a bit. He probably has a clearer cut COP role now (if Lacy misses time).

Just glad I drafted before this news.

What news? Harris going on IR? I really dont think Harris was holding more than 1% of people back from drafting Lacy due to the notion of Harris stealing touches.

If it wasn't, well there's not much else I can say. Any RB that stands to lose touches to any RB is devalued. 3 down backs aren't all that common in the league. Not to mention that if Lacy is getting pass play snaps, well that takes him into RB1 level.

It's why Lacy's value wasn't high since most assumed that Franklin would be in the game for pass protection. Obviously that hasn't occured.

Yes, but when did Harris all of a sudden become the guy to steal touches? Basically it was in the past week or so when it was said Harris would be getting starter type touches in the 3rd GB preseason game. Lacy's stock has been rising the entire preseason. Franklin has been an afterthought for nearly a month now.

I dont see Lacy's ADP jumping further because its already sky high all things considered, but I dont think Dujuan Harris was scaring many people off from drafting Lacy in the 4th round, and certainly not the 5th if you have that chance.

 

[sho nuff]

Wow, lacy is going to have to be decompressed he is rising so quickly.

I'm going to guess Alex Green is the next guy in line at this point. If anything, it probably salvages Franklin a bit. He probably has a clearer cut COP role now (if Lacy misses time).

Just glad I drafted before this news.

What news? Harris going on IR? I really dont think Harris was holding more than 1% of people back from drafting Lacy due to the notion of Harris stealing touches.

Yes.

Its not about drafting him due to the notion...its the value of the pick going up.

Watch his ADP rise after this...it was a threat to carries.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Wow, lacy is going to have to be decompressed he is rising so quickly.

I'm going to guess Alex Green is the next guy in line at this point. If anything, it probably salvages Franklin a bit. He probably has a clearer cut COP role now (if Lacy misses time).

Just glad I drafted before this news.

What news? Harris going on IR? I really dont think Harris was holding more than 1% of people back from drafting Lacy due to the notion of Harris stealing touches.

Yes.

Its not about drafting him due to the notion...its the value of the pick going up.

Watch his ADP rise after this...it was a threat to carries.

His ADP is already solidly in the 4th round recently..I dont see it going up much from there.

 

[rocketsauce]

Answering the topic question...

<----- This guy right here. Wasn't a fan at his early ADP, and definitely not a fan as he continues to move up up up.

I still believe no Green Bay Packers Running Back will be a real RB2 in the current Aaron Rodgers Machine. People will continue every year to try to find one, to make them fit the mold, and they'll continue to be disappointed. I could totally be wrong, but no, still not buying.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Answering the topic question...

<----- This guy right here. Wasn't a fan at his early ADP, and definitely not a fan as he continues to move up up up.

I still believe no Green Bay Packers Running Back will be a real RB2 in the current Aaron Rodgers Machine. People will continue every year to try to find one, to make them fit the mold, and they'll continue to be disappointed. I could totally be wrong, but no, still not buying.

Ryan Grant had 1300 and 1400 back-to-back total yard seasons, which were both with Rodgers at the helm and McCarthy as the coach.

 

[cr8f]

He showed up looking like a guard, very much out of shape, but looks good now. I do question his commitment to football, but being in Green Bay may help there.

Definitely like his potential.

I think Alex Green was miscast as an every down back, much better suited to COP back.

 

[Justloveit]

Lacy vs Wilson in 0.5ppr?

 

[MAC_32]

He showed up looking like a guard, very much out of shape, but looks good now. I do question his commitment to football, but being in Green Bay may help there.

Still not a fan long term, but not much reason to believe he is anything but the bellcow this year.

 

[Shutout]

I'm not sure how much the needle moves with the Harris news but my impression is that it moves Lacy up more.

There just aren't that many guys over the past few years that you can truly say is a 3 down guy and because we haven't had them in football very much in recent years, I think we tend to forget what that means in ff. All those little scraps translate and accumulate. If you have a 3 down guy that stays healthy and is anything above mediocre, you almost, by default, at least end up with an every week RB2 (in ppr). A busted play here that gets dumped off here, an extra 4-5 carries at the end of the game there, that short yardage TD that maybe someone else would have got; over the course of the season, that makes for pretty consistent week in and week out stats and secures the value of the player.

 

[zadok]

Officially regretting passing on him for Montee Ball in my rookie draft 2 months back...

IMO he is now a strong RB2 worth taking in the 20s.

 

[Chaka]

Answering the topic question...

<----- This guy right here. Wasn't a fan at his early ADP, and definitely not a fan as he continues to move up up up.

I still believe no Green Bay Packers Running Back will be a real RB2 in the current Aaron Rodgers Machine. People will continue every year to try to find one, to make them fit the mold, and they'll continue to be disappointed. I could totally be wrong, but no, still not buying.

Ryan Grant had 1300 and 1400 back-to-back total yard seasons, which were both with Rodgers at the helm and McCarthy as the coach.

With 5 & 11 total TDs. It is difficult to trust McCarthy to use his RBs at the goal line. Historically he overwhelmingly prefers to pass down in the red zone and at the stripe.

 

[MAC_32]

Officially regretting passing on him for Montee Ball in my rookie draft 2 months back...

IMO he is now a strong RB2 worth taking in the 20s.

Way too early for this. Lacy may be more valuable this year, but there's a reason you picked Ball first 2 months ago - long term, talent wins out.

 

[Terpman22]

Had him ranked #3 for all rookies from the get go and drafted him accordingly. Ended up landing him in 3/9 dynasty leagues. Happy with it. 1100/10 is easily within reach.

 

[Shutout]

Officially regretting passing on him for Montee Ball in my rookie draft 2 months back...

IMO he is now a strong RB2 worth taking in the 20s.

Way too early for this. Lacy may be more valuable this year, but there's a reason you picked Ball first 2 months ago - long term, talent wins out.

Which is why he regrets it.

Let's all be honest here. A year ago, it was clear that, of the RBs that were to come out, It was Lacy and Lattimore that people talked about. There were some people that liked Michael's talent but had the concerns. But for the most part, it was these top two and the Balls and Bells and Stacys of the world weren't in the "talent" discussion.

But people got cute as we became inundated with media info. The concerns about this and that and the reported measureable and this guy looked fat, this guy looked slow, this situaiton is this and that, there mUST be a reason this team did this...Oh MY GOD, he fell to the 2nd round,etc, etc.

But now...when we have seen these guys on the field, what do our eyeballs tell us? Of all the rookies that have played in pre-season, honestly, Michael looks awesome and then Lacy. Well, Lacy has opportunity now and Michael doesn't so there's that. But between Lacy and Ball, it is very clear that all the question marks and concerns are now in the Ball owners' hands, not Lacy's.

 

[MAC_32]

Officially regretting passing on him for Montee Ball in my rookie draft 2 months back...

IMO he is now a strong RB2 worth taking in the 20s.

Way too early for this. Lacy may be more valuable this year, but there's a reason you picked Ball first 2 months ago - long term, talent wins out.

Which is why he regrets it.

Let's all be honest here. A year ago, it was clear that, of the RBs that were to come out, It was Lacy and Lattimore that people talked about. There were some people that liked Michael's talent but had the concerns. But for the most part, it was these top two and the Balls and Bells and Stacys of the world weren't in the "talent" discussion.

But people got cute as we became inundated with media info. The concerns about this and that and the reported measureable and this guy looked fat, this guy looked slow, this situaiton is this and that, there mUST be a reason this team did this...Oh MY GOD, he fell to the 2nd round,etc, etc.

But now...when we have seen these guys on the field, what do our eyeballs tell us? Of all the rookies that have played in pre-season, honestly, Michael looks awesome and then Lacy. Well, Lacy has opportunity now and Michael doesn't so there's that. But between Lacy and Ball, it is very clear that all the question marks and concerns are now in the Ball owners' hands, not Lacy's.

If his evaluation changed in the last 2 months then I don't know what to tell him. I've always had Ball higher than Lacy, from a talent stand point, although I have consistently been lower on both than the masses. Given the events of August I expect Lacy to perform better in 2013, but dynasty is a lot more than just one year.

 

[zadok]

Officially regretting passing on him for Montee Ball in my rookie draft 2 months back...

IMO he is now a strong RB2 worth taking in the 20s.

Way too early for this. Lacy may be more valuable this year, but there's a reason you picked Ball first 2 months ago - long term, talent wins out.

Which is why he regrets it.

Let's all be honest here. A year ago, it was clear that, of the RBs that were to come out, It was Lacy and Lattimore that people talked about. There were some people that liked Michael's talent but had the concerns. But for the most part, it was these top two and the Balls and Bells and Stacys of the world weren't in the "talent" discussion.

But people got cute as we became inundated with media info. The concerns about this and that and the reported measureable and this guy looked fat, this guy looked slow, this situaiton is this and that, there mUST be a reason this team did this...Oh MY GOD, he fell to the 2nd round,etc, etc.

But now...when we have seen these guys on the field, what do our eyeballs tell us? Of all the rookies that have played in pre-season, honestly, Michael looks awesome and then Lacy. Well, Lacy has opportunity now and Michael doesn't so there's that. But between Lacy and Ball, it is very clear that all the question marks and concerns are now in the Ball owners' hands, not Lacy's.

If his evaluation changed in the last 2 months then I don't know what to tell him. I've always had Ball higher than Lacy, from a talent stand point, although I have consistently been lower on both than the masses. Given the events of August I expect Lacy to perform better in 2013, but dynasty is a lot more than just one year.

I had Lattimore, Lacy and Michael as the top 3 RBs in this class. Lacy's offseason was red flag after red flag ala LenDale White so I got scared. I do think that Ball is probably a better all around back and his future in Denver seems bright, but Fox is being a PITA and wasting the first years of Deangelo Williams career seem to be creeping back with this Ronnie Hillman garbage. But at a certain point, a big bulldozer with talent next to an elite QB just gets the job done. And now that his path appears clear to every down work, he's a better choice this year for sure and thats all that is needed a lot of times...