Anyone not like Eddie Lacy? (1 Viewer)

[Eminence]

surprised this hasent been posted in this thread (Faust, where art thou?). I think this 3rd preseason game might put some breaks on this Lacy hype train that is building up. Dont get me wrong, i like lacy and would draft him if the price is right, if they roll out harris as the first back that is going make his value good again. He is a way better talent than harris and i have no doubts that he will eventually, if he isnt already, the rb1 on this team.

Rotoworld

DuJuan Harris was the first-team running back at Packers practice Monday.
The Packers seem intent on deferring to the veteran with reps despite Eddie Lacy's bruising, powerful preseason debut where he averaged 5.0 yards per carry. We do anticipate Harris earning a role in the offense -- and perhaps even getting nominal "starts" -- but Lacy will be Green Bay's feature back. Harris (5'7/214) is far better suited for a pace-change/passing-down role. On Monday, Harris was first in line, Lacy second, and Johnathan Franklin third.

I mean, yeah if I was Green Bay I would love to spell Lacey with DuJuan Harris. I came away really impressed with DuJuan Harris last season, it depends on which defense I was facing as-well.

But there's no problem with having two-backs. I think you put them in the right situation and they both can excel, obviously Lacey is my short-yardage / goalline back.

 

[sho nuff]

I think its more McCarthy's nod to the guy who played well down the stretch...and also to give him more reps since he has missed so much of camp.

 

[Beerguzzler]

surprised this hasent been posted in this thread (Faust, where art thou?). I think this 3rd preseason game might put some breaks on this Lacy hype train that is building up. Dont get me wrong, i like lacy and would draft him if the price is right, if they roll out harris as the first back that is going make his value good again. He is a way better talent than harris and i have no doubts that he will eventually, if he isnt already, the rb1 on this team.

Rotoworld

DuJuan Harris was the first-team running back at Packers practice Monday.
The Packers seem intent on deferring to the veteran with reps despite Eddie Lacy's bruising, powerful preseason debut where he averaged 5.0 yards per carry. We do anticipate Harris earning a role in the offense -- and perhaps even getting nominal "starts" -- but Lacy will be Green Bay's feature back. Harris (5'7/214) is far better suited for a pace-change/passing-down role. On Monday, Harris was first in line, Lacy second, and Johnathan Franklin third.

I mean, yeah if I was Green Bay I would love to spell Lacey with DuJuan Harris. I came away really impressed with DuJuan Harris last season, it depends on which defense I was facing as-well.

But there's no problem with having two-backs. I think you put them in the right situation and they both can excel, obviously Lacey is my short-yardage / goalline back.

The packer offense can definitely NOT support a RBBC. It can barely support 1 RB as it is. One of the reasons that Lacy is getting traction as a top pick is because he's been getting snaps in the gun next to Rodgers. He needs to have those pass catching attempts to have consistent weekly value IMO.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

surprised this hasent been posted in this thread (Faust, where art thou?). I think this 3rd preseason game might put some breaks on this Lacy hype train that is building up. Dont get me wrong, i like lacy and would draft him if the price is right, if they roll out harris as the first back that is going make his value good again. He is a way better talent than harris and i have no doubts that he will eventually, if he isnt already, the rb1 on this team.

Rotoworld

DuJuan Harris was the first-team running back at Packers practice Monday.
The Packers seem intent on deferring to the veteran with reps despite Eddie Lacy's bruising, powerful preseason debut where he averaged 5.0 yards per carry. We do anticipate Harris earning a role in the offense -- and perhaps even getting nominal "starts" -- but Lacy will be Green Bay's feature back. Harris (5'7/214) is far better suited for a pace-change/passing-down role. On Monday, Harris was first in line, Lacy second, and Johnathan Franklin third.

If that story runs all week then I'll look more into it. There wasnt an aspect of the game that Lacy looked bad at this past week. He seems to be the everything back there as far as I can see and we'll get a better look this week.

 

[Clifford]

More important than not for any rookie, how is his pass blocking? That will tell us a lot about his usage.

From Paul Imig's twitter (8/14):

#Packers RB coach Van Pelt confirms what was obvious today: "(Eddie Lacy) stands out (in) pass protection shows better against those guys."

Thanks. I think I am sold. When is it not too early to snag him? 5th-6th round?

Late third

 

[MattFancy]

Was able to snag Lacy in the 9th round in my draft last week. I think he was a great value. I think he'll be somewhere in neighborhood of 900yds and 8TDs. Should be a nice weekly flex play.

 

[Pipes]

surprised this hasent been posted in this thread (Faust, where art thou?). I think this 3rd preseason game might put some breaks on this Lacy hype train that is building up. Dont get me wrong, i like lacy and would draft him if the price is right, if they roll out harris as the first back that is going make his value good again. He is a way better talent than harris and i have no doubts that he will eventually, if he isnt already, the rb1 on this team.

Rotoworld

DuJuan Harris was the first-team running back at Packers practice Monday.
The Packers seem intent on deferring to the veteran with reps despite Eddie Lacy's bruising, powerful preseason debut where he averaged 5.0 yards per carry. We do anticipate Harris earning a role in the offense -- and perhaps even getting nominal "starts" -- but Lacy will be Green Bay's feature back. Harris (5'7/214) is far better suited for a pace-change/passing-down role. On Monday, Harris was first in line, Lacy second, and Johnathan Franklin third.

I mean, yeah if I was Green Bay I would love to spell Lacey with DuJuan Harris. I came away really impressed with DuJuan Harris last season, it depends on which defense I was facing as-well.

But there's no problem with having two-backs. I think you put them in the right situation and they both can excel, obviously Lacey is my short-yardage / goalline back.

The packer offense can definitely NOT support a RBBC. It can barely support 1 RB as it is. One of the reasons that Lacy is getting traction as a top pick is because he's been getting snaps in the gun next to Rodgers. He needs to have those pass catching attempts to have consistent weekly value IMO.

No he doesn't. Someone mentioned early that in the 3 games before he was hurt Benson had 20, 17 and 18 rushes. Lacy is younger and more talented than Benson. That shows me McCarthy wants to run the ball with a power back but up until now hasn't had the guy to do so. If Lacy gets 20 touches a game and the goal line work he can easily put up RB2 numbers even borderline RB1 numbers.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Highlights from the Rams game in case anyone missed it!

 

[Faust]

Players to watch during Friday night's games

Excerpt:

Adrian Peterson called Green Bay's Eddie Lacy the best rookie running back in the league. We agree. The fat jokes have given way to wonder at Lacy's burst, power and knack for picking up yards after contact. The Packers have stumbled upon what looks to be a younger version of Steven Jackson. With DuJuan Harris healthy again, McCarthy has a nice problem in the backfield.

 

[Faust]

What to watch for: Packers-Seahawks

Excerpt:

Harris’ return: Despite the emergence of rookie Eddie Lacy, McCarthy insists that DuJuan Harris remains his starting running back. Harris might get one chance to prove that. He will make his preseason debut after finally returning from a knee injury he sustained this offseason. Harris, who was signed to the practice squad last October but wasn’t promoted to the roster until Dec. 1, finished last season as the starter and averaged 4.6 yards per carry over the final four regular-season games. “He did great things for us, I thought, down the stretch in the last part of the season,” running backs coach Alex Van Pelt said. “Unfortunately, he had the injury there in OTAs that kept him out of the first part of training camp, but all that being said, he did his job when he was asked to do it last year, and he’s going to continue to get the first chances to do it now that he’s back.”

 

[zamboni]

If Harris has a strong game, it may put some cold water on Lacy's value.

 

[Shutout]

If Harris has a strong game, it may put some cold water on Lacy's value.

And on th eother hand, if Lacy comes out and looks like he did last week against the Seahawks D, we can kiss value pick out the window. He will skyrocket.

Small sample in one game but it will carry a lot of weight, no doubt.

 

[36th Chamber]

3C's seems to not like Lacy

 

[JamesTheScot]

If Harris has a strong game, it may put some cold water on Lacy's value.

I don't think it will in isolation. I think it will take him significantly outplaying Lacy to slow Lacy's roll. I suspect that most people are playing possum and pretending they don't think this is more about McCarthy covering his ### to say he gave Harris a fair shot upon return from injury. Coaches have to play politics with the players to some extent. This sounds more like McCarthy trying to pay lip service to the old adage "you can't lose your spot due to to injury".

 

[Chaka]

What's his (non-rookie) redraft ADP up to now?

He was the #26 RB off the board on Aug 7th and is now RB #23 (fantasyfootballcalculator.com). His trajectory is going up I am guessing that by this time next week he will be in the mid teens.

The only thing I don't really like about him is that historically Mike McCarthy throws a ton of passes near the goal line and seldom are RBs the intended target.

As an offensive coordinator and head coach (since 2000) only two McCarthy RBs have rushed for double digit TDs (Deuce McCallister had 13 in 2002 and Ryan Grant had 11 in 2009). Ricky Williams ran for 8 in 2000 (+1 receiving), Deuce ran for 8 & 9 TDs in '03 & '04 and Grant had 8 in '07. The other years it was 6, 3, 5, 4, 4, 2 & 2 were the most rushing TDs any back had for McCarthy. Only 6 times did the leading rushing TD back for McCarthy even catch one TD and Deuce is the only one who caught more than one TD (3 in '02).

So while I like Lacy a good deal I think his ceiling is more limited than most presumptive #1 RBs.

 

[Shutout]

What's his (non-rookie) redraft ADP up to now?

He was the #26 RB off the board on Aug 7th and is now RB #23 (fantasyfootballcalculator.com). His trajectory is going up I am guessing that by this time next week he will be in the mid teens.

The only thing I don't really like about him is that historically Mike McCarthy throws a ton of passes near the goal line and seldom are RBs the intended target.

As an offensive coordinator and head coach (since 2000) only two McCarthy RBs have rushed for double digit TDs (Deuce McCallister had 13 in 2002 and Ryan Grant had 11 in 2009). Ricky Williams ran for 8 in 2000 (+1 receiving), Deuce ran for 8 & 9 TDs in '03 & '04 and Grant had 8 in '07. The other years it was 6, 3, 5, 4, 4, 2 & 2 were the most rushing TDs any back had for McCarthy. Only 6 times did the leading rushing TD back for McCarthy even catch one TD and Deuce is the only one who caught more than one TD (3 in '02).

So while I like Lacy a good deal I think his ceiling is more limited than most presumptive #1 RBs.

That is a strong historical set of facts but it is also decade old info. I think the league has changed enough to change that thought just a bit. But it probably does support your overall point that this won't open the gate for crazy numbers in the TD category for him.

With all that being said, I think he is shaping up to be a very intriguing player and I admit, I was not on the bandwagon in the beginning (mostly because I just truly never followed him in college). THe reason I say he could be very intriguing is because almost no matter how you draw it up, you know the Packers offense is going to be in that red zone a lot and, by default, the opportunities will be there. So if things just start working for them early, it is really not hard to see this guy with 11-12TDs on the season and that is a pretty significant stat in almost any scoring format.

 

[Chaka]

What's his (non-rookie) redraft ADP up to now?

He was the #26 RB off the board on Aug 7th and is now RB #23 (fantasyfootballcalculator.com). His trajectory is going up I am guessing that by this time next week he will be in the mid teens.

The only thing I don't really like about him is that historically Mike McCarthy throws a ton of passes near the goal line and seldom are RBs the intended target.

As an offensive coordinator and head coach (since 2000) only two McCarthy RBs have rushed for double digit TDs (Deuce McCallister had 13 in 2002 and Ryan Grant had 11 in 2009). Ricky Williams ran for 8 in 2000 (+1 receiving), Deuce ran for 8 & 9 TDs in '03 & '04 and Grant had 8 in '07. The other years it was 6, 3, 5, 4, 4, 2 & 2 were the most rushing TDs any back had for McCarthy. Only 6 times did the leading rushing TD back for McCarthy even catch one TD and Deuce is the only one who caught more than one TD (3 in '02).

So while I like Lacy a good deal I think his ceiling is more limited than most presumptive #1 RBs.

That is a strong historical set of facts but it is also decade old info. I think the league has changed enough to change that thought just a bit. But it probably does support your overall point that this won't open the gate for crazy numbers in the TD category for him.

With all that being said, I think he is shaping up to be a very intriguing player and I admit, I was not on the bandwagon in the beginning (mostly because I just truly never followed him in college). THe reason I say he could be very intriguing is because almost no matter how you draw it up, you know the Packers offense is going to be in that red zone a lot and, by default, the opportunities will be there. So if things just start working for them early, it is really not hard to see this guy with 11-12TDs on the season and that is a pretty significant stat in almost any scoring format.

McCarthy was ahead of the trend when it comes to relying on the passing game. IMO he is one of the reasons the NFL has evolved in this direction.

The data goes back 13 seasons. Parse it however you want but it holds true for every three year window you want to look at except for '02-'04 when he had Deuce McCallister (13, 8 & 9 rushing TDs with 3 receiving TDs).

I like Lacy but IMO anything more than 8-9 TDs is gravy.

 

[valhallan]

Deuce is a very good comparison to Lacy in terms of size and running style. One massive difference between the two situations is the quarterback play. I'd be interested to see how many redzone chances the Saints had, as Aaron Brooks was incredibly inconsistent. It's a wonder McCarthy ever got anything done with that guy.

 

[Clutchfanatic]

I'm in a 7 keeper league and I have the #2 pick tomorrow. I have planned on Miller but I am leaning heavily on Lacy now.

 

[Kenny Powers]

If Harris has a strong game, it may put some cold water on Lacy's value.

And on th eother hand, if Lacy comes out and looks like he did last week against the Seahawks D, we can kiss value pick out the window. He will skyrocket.

Small sample in one game but it will carry a lot of weight, no doubt.

Totally agree. I didnt realize they were playing SEA until yesterday. If Lacy puts up a solid statline, especially with a TD, he probably becomes another one of those 3rd round RBs with question marks (his being he has no track record). If he gets stuffed like the DEN RBs did last week, the hype train slows down a bit and he's still a good 5th round value, solid late 4th pick.

 

[Slapdash]

I'm in a 7 keeper league and I have the #2 pick tomorrow. I have planned on Miller but I am leaning heavily on Lacy now.

I am in a keep four and don't expect Lacy to make it to 2 where I pick. Can't believe Miller is avail in yours.

 

[John 14:6]

I'm in a six keeper and plan on taking lacey number one. Also maybe trading for miller...

 

[KellysHeroes]

looked like he was running in mud tonight

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Any way he's not named the starter after tonight? Harris hurting and looking meh.

 

[Clutchfanatic]

I am glad he is facing the best defense in the nfl with the worst backup qb in the nfl at the helm...... on the eve of my draft.

 

[cstu]

I am glad he is facing the best defense in the nfl with the worst backup qb in the nfl at the helm...... on the eve of my draft.

Perfect timing.

 

[Kenny Powers]

If Harris has a strong game, it may put some cold water on Lacy's value.

And on th eother hand, if Lacy comes out and looks like he did last week against the Seahawks D, we can kiss value pick out the window. He will skyrocket.

Small sample in one game but it will carry a lot of weight, no doubt.

Totally agree. I didnt realize they were playing SEA until yesterday. If Lacy puts up a solid statline, especially with a TD, he probably becomes another one of those 3rd round RBs with question marks (his being he has no track record). If he gets stuffed like the DEN RBs did last week, the hype train slows down a bit and he's still a good 5th round value, solid late 4th pick.

Looks like option B barring him getting a lot of carries in the 2nd half (which I dont see the point of). Exactly what I was hoping for, not to mention his best run gets called back from a hold, so you dont know that by looking at the boxscore

 

[KellysHeroes]

I am glad he is facing the best defense in the nfl with the worst backup qb in the nfl at the helm...... on the eve of my draft.

Perfect timing.

looking bad against the 2s

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I am glad he is facing the best defense in the nfl with the worst backup qb in the nfl at the helm...... on the eve of my draft.

Perfect timing.

looking bad against the 2s

Announcer just said Seattle had their ones in...

Either way GB OL hasn't opened anything in the 3rd

 

[Mr Anonymous]

looked like he was running in mud tonight

Came here specifically to see who'd be the first dope to post this.

 

[Touchdown There]

looked like he was running in mud tonight

Agreed. Too slow to the hole on a few runs.

 

[Touchdown There]

looked like he was running in mud tonight

Agreed. Too slow to the hole on a few runs.

And glad as I also have a 1.2 pick tommm.

 

[Mr Anonymous]

looked like he was running in mud tonight

Agreed. Too slow to the hole on a few runs.

Good lord, I hope my league mates see things the same way tomorrow at my draft.

 

[sho nuff]

Hard to judge a guy going against Seattle's 1s...with Graham Harrell in at QB.

Really hated that McCarthy took Rodgers out so quickly.

Couldn't even really judge Harris out there because he barely ran the ball when Rodgers was in the game.

 

[Slapdash]

looked like he was running in mud tonight

Agreed. Too slow to the hole on a few runs.

And glad as I also have a 1.2 pick tommm.

Who you thinking at 2?

 

[Half in the bag]

looked like he was running in mud tonight

Agreed. Too slow to the hole on a few runs.

And glad as I also have a 1.2 pick tommm.

"Bust Alert"!

lol

 

[EBF]

Got him in my redraft league and now I'm questioning the pick.

This was my first time seeing him in a Packer uni. Thought he looked positively plodderific tonight.

 

[werdnoynek]

Got him in my redraft league and now I'm questioning the pick.

This was my first time seeing him in a Packer uni. Thought he looked positively plodderific tonight.

He only saw carries with Harrell tonight, last week he was with Rodgers. Coincidence?

 

[EBF]

Blocking was garbage. That can't be denied.

Expected him to look better though.

Michael flashed so much more in this game.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Blocking was garbage. That can't be denied.

Expected him to look better though.

Michael flashed so much more in this game.

Wasn't Michael playing against the scrubs, though?

 

[EBF]

Blocking was garbage. That can't be denied.

Expected him to look better though.

Michael flashed so much more in this game.

Wasn't Michael playing against the scrubs, though?

Yes, mostly.

He just looked good though. Had a nice burst.

Lacy seemed sluggish. I'm sure the terrible blocking didn't help at all, but I also didn't see him make any nice plays to create his own yards.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Blocking was garbage. That can't be denied.

Expected him to look better though.

Michael flashed so much more in this game.

Wasn't Michael playing against the scrubs, though?

Yes, mostly.

He just looked good though. Had a nice burst.

Lacy seemed sluggish. I'm sure the terrible blocking didn't help at all, but I also didn't see him make any nice plays to create his own yards.

I like michael - really showed something out there, even if it was against the 2nd/3rd teams. You have to make most of your opportunities and he did.

Lacy looked good last week. I wouldn't be worried about tonight's performance.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Blocking was garbage. That can't be denied.

Expected him to look better though.

Michael flashed so much more in this game.

Wasn't Michael playing against the scrubs, though?

Yes, mostly.

He just looked good though. Had a nice burst.

Lacy seemed sluggish. I'm sure the terrible blocking didn't help at all, but I also didn't see him make any nice plays to create his own yards.

Lacy looked sluggish? Is there anyway where you can look good when defensive players are hitting you as soon as you get the ball 3 yards behind the LOS?

 

[EBF]

Don't kill the messenger. It's not like I'm making this up. He had 8 carries for -5 yards.

The blocking was a huge factor. He didn't have lanes to work with.

That said, he also didn't look explosive and didn't show any ability to create something out of nothing.

Nobody is saying this is a death sentence, but it's not what you want to see in his last major preseason audition.

 

[Nero]

The blocking was horrible, but Lacy did look like he was looking for a place to lie down. At least run into the defense with some force.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The only thing to take from tonight's performance was that Lacy will more then likely open the season as a 3-down back in GB. The OL did nothing, anyone will look sluggish after two steps. Tonight was the perfect storm to get a steal in the draft.

 

[ldizzle]

At least his value will still be good

Rotoworld

Packers RB DuJuan Harris managed two yards on three carries and caught an 11-yard pass in Friday night's preseason game before leaving with a knee injury.Harris walked off under his own power, though he was limping and had the knee wrapped on the Packers' training table. It was Harris' preseason debut after missing the first two exhibition games with a multi-week knee injury. CBS' Tracy Wolfson reported Harris' injury is to the same knee. Harris also underwent offseason surgery to have a cyst removed from his lung. The veteran Harris nominally started Friday night's preseason affair but projects as a change-of-pace back behind Eddie Lacy, assuming he's healthy.

 

[psufans2]

The fact Lacy owners are worrying about Dajuan Harris is pretty sad.

I thought he ran real tough tonight and was tough to bring down, however he showed very little burst (none). I think he can produce if e Ol provides massive holes (but who cant?) but is going to struggle with mediocre run blocking. I just think the hype with him is to high currently. There is a reason he slipped in he draft.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

As of August 19th here was the ADP:

43 (-3) Lamar Miller MIA/6

47 (-1) LeVeon Bell PIT/5

51 (-2) Montee Ball DEN/9

56 (+4) Eddie Lacy GB/4

61 (-5) Ryan Mathews SD/8

67 (-4) Chris Ivory NYJ/10

As of today I'd take him over every one of them if he's the 3-down guy.

 

[psufans2]

But hes probably not a 3-down back no matter how he does. I am taking Lamar but out of that group I am fine with him but why not just avoid that group? I might take Matthews just for high ceiling but he blows to.