Anyone not like Eddie Lacy? (2 Viewers)

[meyerj31]

Or maybe 2 preseason games.

Anyone cutting bait on Franklin is behaving irrationally.

And if they did so after drafting him in the first round - it's a trend.

Nobody is cutting bait ... he's just a dynasty hold, that's all. As noted, some guys just take a season or two to get used to the pro game.

 

[Shutout]

Someone mentioned Benson above and after going back and giving it a better look, it really does appear that a guy like Lacy might be used a lot more than we think. If he is a pretty good runner, it is hard to imagine Lacy NOT getting at least 1000/10 this year. I don't think anyone here is going to envision a workload that emulates Martin or Richardson but I think some people might be undervaluing that, with just a little good luck, he could be a 1150/12TD rookie and pad some stats late in games. THat's the kind of young, fresh legs fantasy owners want late in the year. When older great backs are being preserved just a bit for a playoff run (SJAX types), the Packers will likely be more willing to just do their thing and not alter it.

I expect if Lacy comes out solid, it will ride out that way all year.

 

[traderallenpoe]

Someone mentioned Benson above and after going back and giving it a better look, it really does appear that a guy like Lacy might be used a lot more than we think. If he is a pretty good runner, it is hard to imagine Lacy NOT getting at least 1000/10 this year. I don't think anyone here is going to envision a workload that emulates Martin or Richardson but I think some people might be undervaluing that, with just a little good luck, he could be a 1150/12TD rookie and pad some stats late in games. THat's the kind of young, fresh legs fantasy owners want late in the year. When older great backs are being preserved just a bit for a playoff run (SJAX types), the Packers will likely be more willing to just do their thing and not alter it.

I expect if Lacy comes out solid, it will ride out that way all year.

 

[Mario Kart]

Bob McGinn is not much of a Packers reporters. He's not that good when it comes to "analysis."

I'd look for local reporters in Green Bay. The Press Gazette is the place to look when it comes to Packers news. Either there or national news. McGinn and any Milwaukee reporter I'd stay away from.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Rotoworld:

Packers reporter Bob McGinn expects second-round RB Eddie Lacy to get "most of the carries" this season.
The Packers' coaches have been trying to prop up DuJuan Harris as a legitimate threat to Lacy's starting status. No one should be buying that. Although Lacy is nursing a mild hamstring injury right now, he's clearly been the team's best running back through camp and has the most natural talent. As the goal-line back in one of the game's best offenses, double-digit touchdowns are a realistic projection.

Related: DuJuan Harris

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

Why is Harris in the conversation but Franklin isn't? That's crazy talk.

Edited : I guess you could take away something from the post above talking about Franklin, but in the end he is the more dynamic runnier. I'm not saying Lacy will be a bomb, but Franklin could be better.

FWIW Bob McGinn is an excellent reporter and the Journal-Sentinel is known nationwide for it's well-done analysis on NFL issues. It's not a sensational paper... it's a paper you read if you want accurate analysis.

Them reporting on how poor Franklin has been doing weighs a lot for me. That coupled with the fact that Lacy has been turning heads during training camp means I'm thinking Lacy is going to be getting 70%+ of the carries. I'm drafting him expecting 1,000 / 10 with no more than 20 receptions.... so his current 5th round ADP seems like solid value at the moment.

Franklin just might be one of those players that needs a season or two to get acclimated to the NFL game. It happens.

Or maybe 2 preseason games.

Anyone cutting bait on Franklin is behaving irrationally.

Seeing Franklin's name in your sig would lead me to take anything you say in this thread with a grain of salt

 

[sho nuff]

Bob McGinn is not much of a Packers reporters. He's not that good when it comes to "analysis."

I'd look for local reporters in Green Bay. The Press Gazette is the place to look when it comes to Packers news. Either there or national news. McGinn and any Milwaukee reporter I'd stay away from.

McGinn is a pretty solid reporter and usually on the pessimistic side. His analysis is usually more based on his scouts he keeps close by.

Both the press gazette and MJS have decent beat guys.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Don't forget about Starks, and Harris will be a factor too. Such a mess in this backfield to figure out from a fantasy perspective.

Neither of those 2 are at Lacy's talent level. Neither is Franklin. Lacy is going to dominate the Packers carries, and quite possibly the receptions from the GB backfield as well. I think Lacy's floor barring injury is that of a RB2, and as someone who easily has the upside to be an RB1 this season, I think getting him in the 5th round is a steal.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Quote

Running backs coach Alex Van Pelt said Eddie Lacy "stands out (in) pass protection."
Lacy (hamstring) returned to practice Wednesday and was the second running back through the team drills, behind DuJuan Harris. Van Pelt made these comments after Lacy "won every snap" in pass pro work. It's yet another reason we fully expect the second-round rookie to win the starting job, get the majority of carries and earn the goal-line work. Lacy has had an outstanding camp and looks "born to run in" the Packers' scheme, according to the Journal-Sentinel.


Source: Paul Imig on Twitter

 

[Clifford]

Pic or not, I like Franklin in this battle. Tiki Barber is who I see in him and I really like the thought of a young Tiki with ARod. Hold on to that rock, son!

The Journal-Sentinel says Johnathan Franklin's best chance to be active on gamedays is as a third-down back or returner.This comes on the heels of a report that Franklin hasn't shown any "wow" factor at camp. He's going to make the final 53-man roster, but being on the 45-man gameday roster could be another story. DuJuan Harris, Eddie Lacy and John Kuhn are all better in pass protection. Franklin has reportedly appeared raw as a kickoff returner.

FYI. I wouldn't draft Franklin.

 

[Slapdash]

9 touches for 51 yards tonight. Sounds good, how did he look?

 

[Pipes]

9 touches for 51 yards tonight. Sounds good, how did he look?

Really good...surprising quickness for a big man. He did well in pass protection as well. I'm buying whenever I can.

 

[Warhogs]

I thought he looked really good. He is one of those guys that doesn't blow you away with speed to blow by people but he looks very rugged and physical and seems to almost always gain yards after first contact with his spin move. He gained a lot of tough yards and he really opened up the middle of the field for Finley. The defense started to get sucked into Lacy pounding the middle of the field and on one play in particular the defense moved in on a fake to Lacy and Rodgers hit Finley over the middle on a short route that he took for a big gain. After what I saw last night I think Lacy will certainly see a lot of time with that added presence. I think Franklin though will play the 3rd down obvious passing situations role for the most part.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I thought he looked really good. He is one of those guys that doesn't blow you away with speed to blow by people but he looks very rugged and physical and seems to almost always gain yards after first contact with his spin move. He gained a lot of tough yards and he really opened up the middle of the field for Finley. The defense started to get sucked into Lacy pounding the middle of the field and on one play in particular the defense moved in on a fake to Lacy and Rodgers hit Finley over the middle on a short route that he took for a big gain. After what I saw last night I think Lacy will certainly see a lot of time with that added presence. I think Franklin though will play the 3rd down obvious passing situations role for the most part.

There is nothing so far to indicate that Franklin is ready to contribute at all this season. Everything I've read suggests he could have a lot of trouble making the active roster on game day.

 

[Warhogs]

I thought he looked really good. He is one of those guys that doesn't blow you away with speed to blow by people but he looks very rugged and physical and seems to almost always gain yards after first contact with his spin move. He gained a lot of tough yards and he really opened up the middle of the field for Finley. The defense started to get sucked into Lacy pounding the middle of the field and on one play in particular the defense moved in on a fake to Lacy and Rodgers hit Finley over the middle on a short route that he took for a big gain. After what I saw last night I think Lacy will certainly see a lot of time with that added presence. I think Franklin though will play the 3rd down obvious passing situations role for the most part.

There is nothing so far to indicate that Franklin is ready to contribute at all this season. Everything I've read suggests he could have a lot of trouble making the active roster on game day.

I'm just basing this from some observation last night. In the earlier part of the game in an obvious passing situation Franklin was brought in to play the 3rd down back role. It may mean nothing but in that early game situation that is what happened. Have you just been reading or have you watched their games? Again, I am just saying there was a situation early where Franklin came in on a 3rd and long situation instead of Lacy being out there.

 

[Man of Zen]

I thought he looked really good. He is one of those guys that doesn't blow you away with speed to blow by people but he looks very rugged and physical and seems to almost always gain yards after first contact with his spin move. He gained a lot of tough yards and he really opened up the middle of the field for Finley. The defense started to get sucked into Lacy pounding the middle of the field and on one play in particular the defense moved in on a fake to Lacy and Rodgers hit Finley over the middle on a short route that he took for a big gain. After what I saw last night I think Lacy will certainly see a lot of time with that added presence. I think Franklin though will play the 3rd down obvious passing situations role for the most part.

There is nothing so far to indicate that Franklin is ready to contribute at all this season. Everything I've read suggests he could have a lot of trouble making the active roster on game day.

I'm just basing this from some observation last night. In the earlier part of the game in an obvious passing situation Franklin was brought in to play the 3rd down back role. It may mean nothing but in that early game situation that is what happened. Have you just been reading or have you watched their games? Again, I am just saying there was a situation early where Franklin came in on a 3rd and long situation instead of Lacy being out there.

When they moved to shotgun, it was Lacy, Lacy, Lacy lining up to protect and offer the dumpoffs. Everything about this kid and this situation screams 3-down back right now. If you aren't leaping him up your boards entire tiers right now, it's on you, not on him.

 

[The Kerminator]

Rotoworld:

Packers reporter Bob McGinn expects second-round RB Eddie Lacy to get "most of the carries" this season.
The Packers' coaches have been trying to prop up DuJuan Harris as a legitimate threat to Lacy's starting status. No one should be buying that. Although Lacy is nursing a mild hamstring injury right now, he's clearly been the team's best running back through camp and has the most natural talent. As the goal-line back in one of the game's best offenses, double-digit touchdowns are a realistic projection.

Related: DuJuan Harris

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

Why is Harris in the conversation but Franklin isn't? That's crazy talk.

Edited : I guess you could take away something from the post above talking about Franklin, but in the end he is the more dynamic runnier. I'm not saying Lacy will be a bomb, but Franklin could be better.

FWIW Bob McGinn is an excellent reporter and the Journal-Sentinel is known nationwide for it's well-done analysis on NFL issues. It's not a sensational paper... it's a paper you read if you want accurate analysis.

Them reporting on how poor Franklin has been doing weighs a lot for me. That coupled with the fact that Lacy has been turning heads during training camp means I'm thinking Lacy is going to be getting 70%+ of the carries. I'm drafting him expecting 1,000 / 10 with no more than 20 receptions.... so his current 5th round ADP seems like solid value at the moment.

VBD puts those stats on the 3/4 turn, so I wouldn't be surprised if his ADP is around mid-4th by the start of the season.

This. McGinn is HIGHLY respected! When he writes something, listen.

 

[Faust]

NFL scout: Packers 'got a steal' in Eddie LacyBy Marc Sessler

Around the League Writer

Mike McCarthy has a nice problem on his hands.

The Green Bay Packers coach this week called running back DuJuan Harris "a starter on our football team," but rookie Eddie Lacy is playing well enough to reshuffle the pecking order.

Lacy was a revelation in Saturday's 19-7 preseason win over the St. Louis Rams. The former Alabama bruiser displayed power and agility, slamming into defenders and giving the Rams more than they could handle. His 40 yards on eight carries, more importantly, gave the Packers an identity on the ground.

McCarthy acknowledged Lacy "clearly took advantage of his opportunities." With Harris sidelined by a knee injury, Lacy's debut was a joy to watch: Hammering would-be tacklers, juking others, and piling up yards after contact. Chris Wesseling said it best:

Chris Wesseling @ChrisWesseling

Eddie Lacy is the truth.

"They got a steal getting (Lacy) where they got him," one NFL scout told Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. "I thought he was going to go earlier. He's as advertised."

Harris isn't out of the picture, but the Packers -- after a long dry spell at the position -- have one of football's more tantalizing stable of backs. The big winner here is Aaron Rodgers. After being leaned on do to it all through the air, Green Bay will attack teams with a more balanced offense in 2013, one that keeps teams guessing.

After the Packers were made to look like children in January's playoff loss to the San Francisco 49ers, McCarthy preached that this year's team would exude toughness first. Lacy will lead the way.

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[hotlanta]

More important than not for any rookie, how is his pass blocking? That will tell us a lot about his usage.

 

[ang12]

More important than not for any rookie, how is his pass blocking? That will tell us a lot about his usage.

From Paul Imig's twitter (8/14):

#Packers RB coach Van Pelt confirms what was obvious today: "(Eddie Lacy) stands out (in) pass protection shows better against those guys."

 

[sho nuff]

Said it in the other thread...he is doing what some have said we needed to see from a Packers back. Someone to take over the role and look like the true "leader in the clubhouse" as far as being a lead back.

Have gone from thinking full blown RBBC...to thinking Lacy, barring injury, is a lock to be their bell cow.

Have seen people throwing around 1000/10...sounds like a nice starting point for a prediction. Not sure if MM will run enough to get him too much past 1000 yards...but that TD number seems about right in the 10-12 range.

 

[hotlanta]

More important than not for any rookie, how is his pass blocking? That will tell us a lot about his usage.

From Paul Imig's twitter (8/14):

#Packers RB coach Van Pelt confirms what was obvious today: "(Eddie Lacy) stands out (in) pass protection shows better against those guys."

Thanks. I think I am sold. When is it not too early to snag him? 5th-6th round?

 

[Slapdash]

Eddie Lacy looks good in Packers' victory over RamsBob McGinn St. Louis — It was only three series in an exhibition game. Just eight carries and one pass reception in 19 minutes of work.

Brief snapshot or not, running back Eddie Lacy's presence loomed large on the offense of the Green Bay Packers and the defense of the St. Louis Rams on Saturday night before a crowd of about 40,000 at 66,000-seat Edward Jones Dome.

"I've not seen a running back like that in Green Bay since Ahman Green," an executive in personnel for a National Football League team said. "It's a scrimmage, but he looked good. He did what I thought he could do."

Putting together a much stronger overall effort than in their opening shutout loss to Arizona, the Packers evened their record at 1-1 with a 19-7 victory.

After sitting out against the Cardinals with a hamstring injury, Lacy was in and out all week during practice before getting the green light from coach Mike McCarthy.

On the ground, Lacy carried eight times for 40 yards and had another 7-yard run called back by penalty.

He also caught a swing pass in the right flat, made nickel back Trumaine Johnson miss with a beautiful spin move and picked up 11.

Then, when Aaron Rodgers and the No. 1 offense departed, so did Lacy.

Another scout agreed that Lacy gave the Packers their best back since Green, and that included Ryan Grant, who surpassed 950 yards in three straight seasons (2007-'09). In 2010, the Packers reached the playoffs with Brandon Jackson and won the Super Bowl with James Starks.

"I'd say so," the personnel man said. "He's a talented back. Mike will give him a lot of opportunities to be successful."

Lacy made a tackler miss on the right side to gain 7 on his first attempt. Then he ran over rookie safety T.J. McDonald and barged past another tackler on a 15-yard carry.

"He showed the ability to make you miss in the open field and the strength and power to power through you," one scout said. "Elusive in the open field. Made people miss. Good burst."

Lacy, a late second-round draft choice, pounded off right guard for a pair of 2-yard gains, then showed speed to the corner for 7 on third and 1. That play was brought back when tight end Jermichael Finley was penalized for holding.

On the Packers' second possession, Lacy was victimized by poor blocking and suffered a 2-yard loss on third and 1.

Early in the second quarter, Lacy pounded for 3 off left tackle, made the great move in the flat on Johnson and finished by showing some shake and bake in the clear on the left side for 11.

"They got a steal getting him where they got him," one scout said. "I thought he was going to go earlier. He's as advertised."...

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/eddie-lacy-looks-good-in-packers-victory-over-rams-b9977948z1-220078241.html#

 

[Man of Zen]

More important than not for any rookie, how is his pass blocking? That will tell us a lot about his usage.

From Paul Imig's twitter (8/14):

#Packers RB coach Van Pelt confirms what was obvious today: "(Eddie Lacy) stands out (in) pass protection shows better against those guys."

Thanks. I think I am sold. When is it not too early to snag him? 5th-6th round?

Same as with everybody. When you can get at least fair value for him, without passing up on better values or hurting your chances of getting better values down the road.

If he approaches the numbers I'm guessing, he'll offer fair value in the third, but won't be any kind of bargain there. He'll start being a value in the 4th, and present a steal op from the 5th on. I only anticipate this being true till they play their next game, when a full showcase with the starters should drive his value up at least a round. After that, I think you're going to start having trouble finding him available past early 4th.

 

[meyerj31]

More important than not for any rookie, how is his pass blocking? That will tell us a lot about his usage.

From Paul Imig's twitter (8/14):

#Packers RB coach Van Pelt confirms what was obvious today: "(Eddie Lacy) stands out (in) pass protection shows better against those guys."

Thanks. I think I am sold. When is it not too early to snag him? 5th-6th round?

I took him in virtually every MFL 10 I played in the 6th and then the 5th when his ADP started rising. I think you're missing the boat trying to draft him there at this point because everyone else is now doing the same thing.

In 2 RB required leagues I think he's still a value in the late 4th. VBD with 1000/10 says he should be going ~36th overall.

 

[AtomicDogg97]

I have the #43 pick in my draft and if he is there I am going to take him. I think that is where he should be going in drafts.

 

[Slapdash]

Said it in the other thread...he is doing what some have said we needed to see from a Packers back. Someone to take over the role and look like the true "leader in the clubhouse" as far as being a lead back.

Have gone from thinking full blown RBBC...to thinking Lacy, barring injury, is a lock to be their bell cow.

Have seen people throwing around 1000/10...sounds like a nice starting point for a prediction. Not sure if MM will run enough to get him too much past 1000 yards...but that TD number seems about right in the 10-12 range.

1000/10 running or including the passing game? How involved do you think he'll be receiving?

 

[LOCO]

I think in a couple weeks. If u want him, it will take a 3rd.

 

[sho nuff]

Said it in the other thread...he is doing what some have said we needed to see from a Packers back. Someone to take over the role and look like the true "leader in the clubhouse" as far as being a lead back.

Have gone from thinking full blown RBBC...to thinking Lacy, barring injury, is a lock to be their bell cow.

Have seen people throwing around 1000/10...sounds like a nice starting point for a prediction. Not sure if MM will run enough to get him too much past 1000 yards...but that TD number seems about right in the 10-12 range.

1000/10 running or including the passing game? How involved do you think he'll be receiving?

1000 rushing...10 total TDs.

Not sure on receiving really...just from the standpoint that McCarthy's offense has not typically invovled the RBs all that much in the passing game.

They have been running screens more lately though.

Id think a good over/under for receptions for Lacy would be about 30...and knowing that its been a few years since any back had that (but its been a few years since they had 1 back they could lean on enough...)

 

[Faust]

Jaws: Lacy will help Packers to SB XLVIII

By Rob Demovsky | ESPN.com

Earlier this week, the oddsmaker Bovada listed Green Bay Packers running back Eddie Lacy third in the race for the 2013 NFL offensive rookie of the year.

With 7/1 odds, Lacy ranked behind only St. Louis Rams receiver Tavon Austin (5/1) and Denver Broncos running back Montee Ball (11/2).

Count ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski among those who think Lacy could have a major impact. In fact, when making his Super Bowl XLVIII prediction today, Jaworski cited Lacy as one of the reasons he thinks the Packers will play the Denver Broncos for the title.

In the video, Jaworski and Adam Schefter explain their Super Bowl predictions.

 

[Shutout]

Wow, this has certainly come full circle. We all love him again!

 

[John 14:6]

Wow, this has certainly come full circle. We all love him again!

Sorry for going off topic, but I'm wondering if the same will happen for Lamar Miller if he's named the starter...

 

[Shutout]

Wow, this has certainly come full circle. We all love him again!

Sorry for going off topic, but I'm wondering if the same will happen for Lamar Miller if he's named the starter...

I would guess that now where we are so close to the season starting that anyone who gets a clear endorsement will draw in the band wagon. Its our nature.

 

[Beerguzzler]

Lacy is making it so difficult to follow through on my Gio man crush at 1.01.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Just watched the STL game and I'm in.....honestly, I don't see how many aren't. He looked REALLY good in just about every way possible.

 

[sho nuff]

Wow, this has certainly come full circle. We all love him again!

Yeah...draft day as he falls...all people saying he is a risk...people not liking him.

Scouts and personnel guys saying the health just is not there.

2 preseason games later...scouts and personnel guys now claiming the Packers got a steal and everyone loves him.

 

[werdnoynek]

Wow, this has certainly come full circle. We all love him again!

Some of us never stopped.

 

[Gr00vus]

What's his (non-rookie) redraft ADP up to now?

 

[plastik]

Wow, this has certainly come full circle. We all love him again!

Some of us never stopped.

Yup. I traded down from 1.01 in one league to take him at 1.03, wanted to take him at the top spot but got an extra late 1st out of it this way. Watching all of this year's RBs play in college, Lacy looked by far the best to me and it wasn't just his surrounding cast.

 

[zamboni]

Lacy is making it so difficult to follow through on my Gio man crush at 1.01.

I hear you - keep going back and forth between Gio and Lacy now that Bell is effectively out of the picture.

 

[gambla]

Gio or Lacy in a redraft?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Gio or Lacy in a redraft?

On 8/22/13 its Lacy

 

[Andrew74]

All the negative talk made me go for the "safer" player in Hopkins. Starting to regret that decision.

 

[The General]

What's his (non-rookie) redraft ADP up to now?

I'd be curious of this as well. Anyone have their draft in the last few days?

 

[Binky The Doormat]

What's his (non-rookie) redraft ADP up to now?

I'd be curious of this as well. Anyone have their draft in the last few days?

54th

 

[werdnoynek]

What's his (non-rookie) redraft ADP up to now?

I'd be curious of this as well. Anyone have their draft in the last few days?

Browsing rotoworld today I saw Silva updated his top 150 with Lacy coming in at a whopping #24. He's climbing, fast.

 

[LOCO]

Thinking I like him more Than miller and Wilson. Buying the hype.

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Thinking I like him more Than miller and Wilson. Buying the hype.

I actually think that for people drafting over the next few weeks, the renewed hype on Lacy will make people reach for him slightly earlier than they would have a few weeks ago. I think Lacy is going to contribute this season, and would be happy to have him on my squad, but I think I like Lacy more for the fact that people reaching for him may make backs I like more in my league's PPR scoring -- Sproles, Wilson, Matthews and even Miller -- more attainable later.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

After as good as he looked how had FBG not written anything about him in so long?

 

[werdnoynek]

After as good as he looked how had FBG not written anything about him in so long?

They're waiting for an injury so they can say "I told you so" and pump Franklin.

 

[ldizzle]

surprised this hasent been posted in this thread (Faust, where art thou?). I think this 3rd preseason game might put some breaks on this Lacy hype train that is building up. Dont get me wrong, i like lacy and would draft him if the price is right, if they roll out harris as the first back that is going make his value good again. He is a way better talent than harris and i have no doubts that he will eventually, if he isnt already, the rb1 on this team.

Rotoworld

DuJuan Harris was the first-team running back at Packers practice Monday.
The Packers seem intent on deferring to the veteran with reps despite Eddie Lacy's bruising, powerful preseason debut where he averaged 5.0 yards per carry. We do anticipate Harris earning a role in the offense -- and perhaps even getting nominal "starts" -- but Lacy will be Green Bay's feature back. Harris (5'7/214) is far better suited for a pace-change/passing-down role. On Monday, Harris was first in line, Lacy second, and Johnathan Franklin third.