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Anyone not like Eddie Lacy? (1 Viewer)

georg013 said:
I am worried about Lacy. The fact that they re-signed a 30 year old Starks should ring alarms across the universe. Why would they sign Starks if they didnt believe he was better than Lacy? This clearly shows that the Packers have no faith in Eddie Lacy staying healthy or skinny. The positive comments from McCarthy are just so that Eddie is an effective back up to Starks. Starks clearly outplayed him last season. He will get all of the 1st team reps come camp. Get off the train before it's too late. I did. And Im glad I did. His weight loss reminds me of the 2016 El Nino. All bark and no bite. 
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They signed a RB that performed well and knows the offense and is solid in pass pro for $6M over 2 years.  Find the brakes.  Pump them repeatedly.

 
mikmak8902 said:
They signed a RB that performed well and knows the offense and is solid in pass pro for $6M over 2 years.  Find the brakes.  Pump them repeatedly.
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I had little hope for Eddie last season.  However, he is doing all the right things this offseason to come back and be a RB1. 

 
Proof that Eddie Lacy is regressing back to his old ways!!!!

"It was reported today that Eddie Lacy ate lunch." - someone on Twitter.

Ignore the warning signs all you want. Eddie Lacy is a risky asset. 

 
Sabertooth said:
Love the Pack.  Love Eddie.  I'm concerned he might lose his hallmark power.  Dradtic physique changes scare me. 
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Is it really a drastic physique change or is he getting back to where he should have been?  I remember seeing him for the first time last year and thinking "Damn, my boy's been snackin".  He was OBVIOUSLY overweight last year.  Anyone who couldn't see that wasn't watching Packer games.  So I don't see this as a "drastic physique change".  I view whatever happened to him during LAST off-season the drastic physique change.

 
For now I think Eddie may be a bit overvalued this year at his current ADP in the early 20s overall.

At this point he's really just a roll of the dice as it depends which Eddie shows up this year.  If he looks good in camp and seems to have his head on straight I could see myself taking a gamble in the third round in certain leagues...particularly if I go WR early.

 
I would hate to draft this guy in a redraft sooner than the 4th round, but I'm happy to have him in my dynasty. He burned my team bad last year...to the point where I ended up with the #1 pick in this year's rookie draft. I hoping his fat a$$ returns to form to pair with Zeke to get me a championship. Hoping...

 
Eddie Lacy is a roll of the dice because of one down season? Is this the over reactive hype we have come to gain in the fantasy community?
Didnt he have two productive seasons before that, but now he is a roll of a dice because of a down season?
I understand him not being your Top 5, but he is a Top 10 RB heading into this draft season.

 
WheelsUp said:
Eddie Lacy is a roll of the dice because of one down season? Is this the over reactive hype we have come to gain in the fantasy community?
Didnt he have two productive seasons before that, but now he is a roll of a dice because of a down season?
I understand him not being your Top 5, but he is a Top 10 RB heading into this draft season.
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I agree. I have him in a keeper league and have been debating keeping him as it would cost me 2.9. I think he has a real chance to bounce back this season. The Packers offense was a mess last year and he sounds like he's in better shape. I don't see why he couldn't be a top 10 RB this season. His YPC last year was in line with his previous seasons.

 
Lacy has been going in the top 10 RB's (3rd round)

Couple things that give me pause with Lacy:

1. GB = pass first team

2. Starks = very capable alternative if Lacy stumbles and much cheaper

 
mikmak8902 said:
Is it really a drastic physique change or is he getting back to where he should have been?  I remember seeing him for the first time last year and thinking "Damn, my boy's been snackin".  He was OBVIOUSLY overweight last year.  Anyone who couldn't see that wasn't watching Packer games.  So I don't see this as a "drastic physique change".  I view whatever happened to him during LAST off-season the drastic physique change.
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Well, I guess we don't know what his weight was exactly.  Nor do we know what it currently is, how much of his loss was fat compared to muscle.  We are kind of shooting in the dark.  If he comes in at 225+ I'll be happy.  Anything less and I am going to be nervous.  Go Pack Go! 

 
WheelsUp said:
Eddie Lacy is a roll of the dice because of one down season? Is this the over reactive hype we have come to gain in the fantasy community?
Didnt he have two productive seasons before that, but now he is a roll of a dice because of a down season?
I understand him not being your Top 5, but he is a Top 10 RB heading into this draft season.
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Hey people are writing off Demarco Murray for one bad season, this is the ADD era of fantasy football where unless a player is 23 years old, protoype size, and coming off a 1400 yard season, they have no value.  

 
Sabertooth, while you did take back on your retirement (great thread btw), I'm glad you came back for this gorgeous piece of insight. I agree.

 
Ojaays said:
Lacy has been going in the top 10 RB's (3rd round)

Couple things that give me pause with Lacy:

1. GB = pass first team

2. Starks = very capable alternative if Lacy stumbles and much cheaper
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Wasn't this the case in 2013 and 2014?

 
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Lacy has 2 years of getting it done and 1 year of flopping. In the flop year he was over weight, dealing with an ankle issue, abysmal O-line play, and suffered from an anemic passing game (no Nelson and hurting Cobb). We expect at least 3 of those 4 issues to have been fixed, his O-line is a crap shoot, and he is in a contract year. He has elite RB1 potential at low RB1 to mid RB2 price. Sign me up.

 
Captain Cranks said:
Wasn't this the case in 2013 and 2014?
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Was just about to say the same thing.

When has GB not been a passing offense under Rodgers or since Lacy has been there?

Starks has been there the previous seasons with Lacy and it wasn't an issue until last season when Lacy was playing out of shape.

 
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matttyl said:
And isn't New Orleans a passing team, and Arizona?  Ingram was top 5 in my league last year when he went down, and we all know what David Johnson did last year. 
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Green Bay is in the bottom half of the league in passing percentage.  Not sure how they're a "Pass First Team" unless that means they sometimes pass on first down?  But a lot of teams do that.  Also, good teams tend to rush more because they want to hold on to a lead and run the clock.  I'd count GB as a pretty good team usually.

 
gabes1919 said:
Lacy has 2 years of getting it done and 1 year of flopping. In the flop year he was over weight, dealing with an ankle issue, abysmal O-line play, and suffered from an anemic passing game (no Nelson and hurting Cobb). We expect at least 3 of those 4 issues to have been fixed, his O-line is a crap shoot, and he is in a contract year. He has elite RB1 potential at low RB1 to mid RB2 price. Sign me up.
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Starks was the better runner and the better pass catcher last year with the same crappy O-line.

It was pretty close to a 50/50 split.

Not sure what they've done to improve that O-Line btw.

If you want to spend a high 2nd round pick for Lacy and bet that they'll just stop using Starks , be my guest.

 
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Ojaays said:
Starks was the better runner and the better pass catcher last year with the same crappy O-line.

It was pretty close to a 50/50 split.

Not sure what they've done to improve that O-Line btw.

If you want to spend a high 2nd round pick for Lacy and bet that they'll just stop using Starks , be my guest.
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They both were at 4.1YPC last season. Starks certainly looked better at times, but I don't think it was a run away.

The 2 playoff games, Lacey averaged 5.3 and 7.4YPC. In total in the playoffs, 24/152/1.

Starks is also 30, Lacy is 26.

 
Ojaays said:
Starks was the better runner and the better pass catcher last year with the same crappy O-line.

It was pretty close to a 50/50 split.

Not sure what they've done to improve that O-Line btw.

If you want to spend a high 2nd round pick for Lacy and bet that they'll just stop using Starks , be my guest.
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Starks looked effective when he was coming in and playing in change up roles and unexpected appearances but he looked pedestrian at best when asked to shoulder any type of load.  I'm not a believer in the "wall" RBs hit when they hit 30+ but is should be worth noting in this case that Starks is at an age where he is clearly not any type of pick for the future of the team and Lacy is in a contract year. In my opinion, I think the Packers will be more inclined to test Lacy and see what they have as much as possible because this will impact if they spend dollars or draft picks in April. 

A thing I would toss out as food for thought as people access Lacy from last year is to be able to separate how much of this was LAcy (and it WAS a good amount) and how much was the Packers.  The Packers bumbled a lot last year. Rodgers didn't have a great year by his standards. THey were hurt on offense a lot last year, all across the board.  In a sport where these things feed off one another, we should remember (and we know this to be true) that when the Packers are clicking and Rodgers is doing well, Lacy becomes a hard "pick your poison" matchup because if you can't stack the box, he is a LOAD to bring down and is good at catching out of the backfield and is more nimble than you'd think.

 
WheelsUp said:
Eddie Lacy is a roll of the dice because of one down season? Is this the over reactive hype we have come to gain in the fantasy community?
Didnt he have two productive seasons before that, but now he is a roll of a dice because of a down season?
I understand him not being your Top 5, but he is a Top 10 RB heading into this draft season.
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...and the thing is, he still averaged 4.1 ypc last year, same as his rookie season and not that far off pace of his 2014 season. It's just that being overweight put him in the coach's doghouse which gave him far less volume and with the offense as a whole struggling he suffered a big drop off in TD totals as well. He was still effective even with the extra weight - and so far he looks to be "getting it".

Obviously there is some risk involved with Lacy, that he will fall back into bad habits and land back in the doghouse, but if he's in shape he's actually going to be a tremendous value dropping to the late second, early third (or even later in some drafts).

 
Let's go game by game last season to see who was better:

Game 1:

Lacy - 19/85/1

Starks - 2/2/0

Game 2:

Lacy - 3/9/0 - got injured

Starks - 20/95/0 4/11/0

Game 3:

Lacy - 10/46/0 3/41/0

Starks - 17/32/0 2/11/0

Game 4:

Lacy - 18/90/0 1/3/0

Starks - 9/28/0 2/11/0

Game 5:

Lacy - 13/27/0 1/8/0

Starks - 5/17/0 3/29/0

Game 6:

Lacy - 4/3/0 2/17/0

Starks - 10/112/1 1/5/1

Game 7:

Lacy - 11/38/1 1/9/0

Starks - 5/9/0 2/9/0

Game 8:

Lacy - 5/10/0

Starks - 10/39/0 6/83/1

Game 9:

Lacy - DNP

Starks - 15/42/0 6/54/0

Game 10:

Lacy - 22/100/0 1/6/0

Starks - 8/14/0 1/30/0

Game 11:

Lacy - 17/105/0 4/34/1

Starks - 7/39/0 4/41/0

Game 12:

Lacy - 5/4/0 1/-3/0

Starks - 9/15/0 5/45/0

Game 13:

Lacy - 24/124/1 1/24/0

Starks - 11/71/1 4/32/1

Game 14:

Lacy - 11/23/0

Starks - 9/51/0 1/5/0

Game 15:

Lacy - 12/60/0 1/28/1

Starks - 3/11/0

Game 16:

Lacy - 13/34/0 2/7/0

Starks - 8/24/0 3/18/0

Wild Card:

Lacy - 12/63/1

Starks - 12/53/1 2/12/0

Divisional:

Lacy - 12/89/0 2/2/0

Starks - 7/23/0 4/4/0

 
I have always liked Starks as a runner, but he's a career backup. He serves no real threat to Lacy. last year McCoy was clearly sending a message to Lacy, and has reiterated that during the offseason.

 
Looking at those numbers, it's hard to say Starks was really the better back. Both had some good games, some okay games, and some stinkers. Starks had more catches, but Lacy actually had the higher YPR of the 2. During the regular season Starks averaged 62.1 total yards per game. Lacy averaged 63.1 total yards per game.

 
Ojaays said:
Starks was the better runner and the better pass catcher last year with the same crappy O-line.

It was pretty close to a 50/50 split.

Not sure what they've done to improve that O-Line btw.

If you want to spend a high 2nd round pick for Lacy and bet that they'll just stop using Starks , be my guest.
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Again, Lacy was hurt last year and out of shape. Plus Starks being the CoP guy really makes a difference. Defensive fronts are going to be a lot looser when the back up comes in than when the starter is in. Especially if the starter is a big back runner. That's how we got the infamous 'meat on the bone' comment from Randle last year. +6 ypc is a lot easier when the box isn't stacked.

 
MattFancy said:
Looking at those numbers, it's hard to say Starks was really the better back. Both had some good games, some okay games, and some stinkers. Starks had more catches, but Lacy actually had the higher YPR of the 2. During the regular season Starks averaged 62.1 total yards per game. Lacy averaged 63.1 total yards per game.
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Very true but Lacy was a top 4 pick last season whereas Starks was a late round handcuff.   This season Lacy's ADP is currently a late round 2nd pick which seems pretty lofty when you are comparing him to a player with an ADP in 13th round.  

He just isn't worth the risk IMO unless he drops dramatically.

 
Godsbrother said:
Very true but Lacy was a top 4 pick last season whereas Starks was a late round handcuff.   This season Lacy's ADP is currently a late round 2nd pick which seems pretty lofty when you are comparing him to a player with an ADP in 13th round.  

He just isn't worth the risk IMO unless he drops dramatically.
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Sure Lacy underperformed last season, but so did most early round RBs. A late 2nd for a guy that has the potential and has shown he can finish in the Top 5-10 RBs, sign me up! His ADP is RB9 according to FBG.

According to the FBG ADP, here are the guys going around Lacy: Miller, Charles, Ingram, Martin, McCoy, Rawls, Forte, Hyde, and Anderson. Who among that group doesn't have risk going into the season? Miller is going to a new team and offense. Charles coming off ACL surgery. Ingram has yet to be healthy enough for all 16 games. Martin has Sims to battle touches with. McCoy has Karlos Williams. Rawls is coming off ankle surgery. Forte is 31 and going to a new team with a capable backup in Powell. Hyde is learning a new system and wasn't that good last year. Anderson has to fend off Hillman and Booker.

 
MattFancy said:
Sure Lacy underperformed last season, but so did most early round RBs. A late 2nd for a guy that has the potential and has shown he can finish in the Top 5-10 RBs, sign me up! His ADP is RB9 according to FBG.

According to the FBG ADP, here are the guys going around Lacy: Miller, Charles, Ingram, Martin, McCoy, Rawls, Forte, Hyde, and Anderson. Who among that group doesn't have risk going into the season? Miller is going to a new team and offense. Charles coming off ACL surgery. Ingram has yet to be healthy enough for all 16 games. Martin has Sims to battle touches with. McCoy has Karlos Williams. Rawls is coming off ankle surgery. Forte is 31 and going to a new team with a capable backup in Powell. Hyde is learning a new system and wasn't that good last year. Anderson has to fend off Hillman and Booker.
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Perfect example of why I'm going WR in the 2nd and 3rd.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Thought the plan most were following were going WR in first given the risks associated with RBs that go from mid 1 round through 3.
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Well, the thing with that is, you have great wide receivers at the end of your draft.  So do about 5 other teams.  Wide receiver is the deepest I ever recall seeing it.  There are at least 10 who could be the top guy when the dust settles.  Maybe more.  

 
The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel confirms Eddie Lacy reported to Packers training camp weighing 260 pounds last July.
That's 29 pounds above Lacy's Combine weigh-in. Per the Journal-Sentinel's Bob McGinn, "estimates in June" were that Lacy had dropped 15-20 pounds, bringing his weight into the 240-245 range. One NFC personnel director noted post-college weight gains aren't out of the norm for ex-Alabama running backs. "Trent Richardson was like 20 pounds heavier when he reported (to the Colts) than when he came out of there," said the executive. "He lost all his quickness. Lacy's got a little bit of a knucklehead in him, too."

 
 
Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel 
Jul 22 - 11:29 PM
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So if drafting this weekend is Eddie Lacy a top 10 rb you feel comfortable with?

Positives:

1) Looks to have his weight under control and in good shap

2) Jordy will help keep the defenses honest and plays in a great system

3) Contract year

Negatives

1) James Starks

2) Putting on weight during the year.

It looks to me like the positives outweigh the negatives.

Let me know you concerns and where you would rank him right now

 
twood said:
So if drafting this weekend is Eddie Lacy a top 10 rb you feel comfortable with?

Positives:

1) Looks to have his weight under control and in good shap

2) Jordy will help keep the defenses honest and plays in a great system

3) Contract year

Negatives

1) James Starks

2) Putting on weight during the year.

It looks to me like the positives outweigh the negatives.

Let me know you concerns and where you would rank him right now
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No. I feel good about the Packers offense mostly rebounding, but not 100% sold on Lacy getting back to his 2013/14 numbers. Last we saw him he was still overweight. I need to see a more positive camp before I can trust drafting him in the first 2 rounds.

 
I think Lacy could be a borderline Top 10 RB this season.

Seems his weight loss will help and all reports so far are that he does look to be in better shape than last season. The Packers offense was a mess last season without Jordy. With his return, the offense should go back to normal and that will help open things up more for Lacy.

Will he return to Top 5 status? Probably not. But I don't think a Top 10 season is out of the question.

 
MattFancy said:
I think Lacy could be a borderline Top 10 RB this season.

Seems his weight loss will help and all reports so far are that he does look to be in better shape than last season. The Packers offense was a mess last season without Jordy. With his return, the offense should go back to normal and that will help open things up more for Lacy.

Will he return to Top 5 status? Probably not. But I don't think a Top 10 season is out of the question.
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I have no problem with him as a top 10 because:

A) As RBs go, he has been extremely durable and availability is the best ability a RB can have pretty much.

B) With that offense, the opportunity is there, especially in a cold weather environment. As several posts have mentioned, it wasn't just Lacy who was "down" last year. It was the Packers as a whole.  Believing in a rebound in Rodgers and Jordy returning and Cobb is believing in Lacy also because they all work in concert.

C) As in investing, past performance is not indicative of future results but you have to be impressed by his short resume.  First two years in the league, he was a difference making ff RB helping teams win leagues.  Last year, even after being thought of as TERRIBLE, he was still a top 25 or so RB and had 4-5 games of 15+.  I guess I'm saying that his absolute floor, if healthy, puts him in as very strong RB2, given his durability and team offense.  I can think of worse options.   

 
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