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AP OROY: Vince Young (1 Viewer)
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comfortably numb
Footballguy
I heard Leinhart is a better QB though...
MJD, Bush, and Colston had good enough season to get the OROY in a typical season. What a year for the rooks.
PsychoMan
Footballguy
Agreed .. Colston had especially good stats for a TE too ...
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
1st of all -- how many times has a QB been ROY?2nd --
VictorY begins and ends with VY.
Vinny, vidi, vici.
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the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Had Colston played the whole season, he prolly woulda won.But he didn't.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
He deserves it -- you proved me wrong, Vince!
jurb26
Footballguy
Good point but what about the 7 TDs and 553 yds on the ground?
V1LL
Footballguy
what does that have to do with anything?and roethlisberger just won 2 years ago.
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Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Colston had a great year and did better statistically, but QB is a much tougher position than WR.I'd vote:1 VY2 Marcus McNeill 3 MJD4 Colston
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the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Also of note is that no other QBs received a vote.1st of all -- how many times has a QB been ROY?2nd --
VictorY begins and ends with VY.
Vinny, vidi, vici.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Vince-dicated!
I was right, I was right! Na-nana-boo-boo!
I was right, I was right! Na-nana-boo-boo!
jurb26
Footballguy
That's who I would have voted for as well. This guy was disrespected more than Young because of his size yet nobody seems to be talking about him nearly as much. 16 TDs and 1400 total yds from scrimmage all the while never being a featured player! Young only accounted for 19 total TDs and he was a QB. Both are very deserving and no doubt Young earned it. I just would have voted for Drew.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
The QB position is very difficult, and it's rare for a rookie QB to come out of the gate like this. Reading Defenses, making audiblkes, going through progressions and making plays is a lot harder than running a fly pattern a few times per week.
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Sounds about right.Also, this from Chow...
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
What does that have to do with anything? I asked how many times, not when was the last time?
the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Nobody was disrespected more than Young, esp on this board.
V1LL
Footballguy
he threw more int's than td's. his QB rating was one of if not the orst in the league. his passing percentage is 50%. Like I said, he can ball but he's not ROY worthy. The last QB to win it was Roethlisberger who had 17 td's and 11 int's. a passer rating of 98 and completed 66% of his passes. That's much more worthy of ROY, IMO.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
This is not draft talk...you are slipping...
jurb26
Footballguy
I think you're confused. V. Young the QB did not win the ROY. V. Young the football player did. What rookie football player had more impact on their team than Young? Sure he wasn't impressive as passer in the grand scheme of things. His play making ability and leadership where however. The W/L reflect that.
he threw more int's than td's. his QB rating was one of if not the orst in the league. his passing percentage is 50%. Like I said, he can ball but he's not ROY worthy. The last QB to win it was Roethlisberger who had 17 td's and 11 int's. a passer rating of 98 and completed 66% of his passes. That's much more worthy of ROY, IMO.
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
This is a good, perceptive post.I think you're confused. V. Young the QB did not win the ROY. V. Young the football player did. What rookie football player had more impact on their team than Young? Sure he wasn't impressive as passer in the grand scheme of things. His play making ability and leadership where however. The W/L reflect that.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Marcus McNeil deserved it. He did a fantastic job stepping right in as the LT for the Chargers. He helped LT have one of the greatest rushing seasons in NFL history. But non-RB/QB/WRs will pretty much never win awards like this.
There were definitely some fantastic rookies on both sides of the ball this season.
There were definitely some fantastic rookies on both sides of the ball this season.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
It's a follow up to saying that Vince should be drafted high in the 2006 draft.:bendingrules:
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Vince Young took a bad team to respectability. He deserved it.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Now if we could get LSUCKS to say the same thing, we'd be getting somewhereBut, alas LSUCKS =
V1LL
Footballguy
Mcneil and ColstonI think you're confused. V. Young the QB did not win the ROY. V. Young the football player did. What rookie football player had more impact on their team than Young? Sure he wasn't impressive as passer in the grand scheme of things. His play making ability and leadership where however. The W/L reflect that.
V1LL
Footballguy
another way to look at it might be....a QB has won 2 outta the last 3 ROY awards. And again, just because a QB hasn't won it much does that mean they should just give him the award? I'm confused by your logic.This is a good, perceptive post.I think you're confused. V. Young the QB did not win the ROY. V. Young the football player did. What rookie football player had more impact on their team than Young? Sure he wasn't impressive as passer in the grand scheme of things. His play making ability and leadership where however. The W/L reflect that.
CalBear
Footballguy
Roethlisberger, when he won ROY, had 2765 total yards, 18 total TDs and 11 INTs. Young had 2752 total yards, 19 total TDs and 13 INTs.If you think Roethlisberger deserved it, so did Young.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Maybe MJD supporters aren't as sensitive as some of those within the Vince Young Nation.
Bevo
Footballguy
I think Vince deserved it but I wouldn't have any problem with MJD getting it, he had a great season. If Colston had been healthy all season I could see a strong case for him too.
Unfortunately for McNeill this just another example of lack of exposure for offensive lineman in general, they very seldom will have a chance to win these types of awards because most people don't have a clue of what to watch for and just don't see the difference between a mediocre offensive lineman and a good one..
Unfortunately for McNeill this just another example of lack of exposure for offensive lineman in general, they very seldom will have a chance to win these types of awards because most people don't have a clue of what to watch for and just don't see the difference between a mediocre offensive lineman and a good one..
shakeybarn
Footballguy
VY = bust pick next year. Too much hype, think defenses will be able to game for him better, and force him to be a passing QB. Titans going from nothing to lose, to expectations...
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Bourbon Finest
Footballguy
12 TD/ 13 INT. 51.5 completion%. 6.16 YPA = Offensive Rookie of the year.. Sportswriters shouldn't be able to vote.
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
Don't want to sidetrack the discussion, but why do so many people think that it will be easier for Defensive Coordinators to contain him next year? If you are going to confuse and overwhelm a QB, isn't it always easier to do it when he is a rookie who hasn't had a full off season of preparation? I don't disagree that Young will have growing pains, as most young QBs do, but I don't see any reason to think that DCs are going to figure out a way to own him in the off-season, if they haven't been able to already.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
If it was a statistic award, then you could vote, luckily it isn't
Vince was clearly winging it out there this year - an entire offseason of seasoning is going to make him that much more lethal. Vince actually played pretty badly for at least 4 of the 13 games he started. To say he has room to improve is an understatement.
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fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
The more games he has, the more game film there is and more of his flaws and tendencies may be spotted. At the same time, he will also be improving though.
jurb26
Footballguy
Not only that but NE/BB put up a pretty good blueprint for "owning" Young in the final game of the season. It is a copy-cat league after all. I think Young will be a very good player in the NFL. How good (or great) he becomes is very much in the hands of how well his passing improves though. The stats don't lie. Young was not a good or even average passer his rookie year. That did not prvent him from being a very good football player in that rookie year. It could over the course of his career if not corrected. Really, Young did not do much of anything that should have come as a surprise to a lot of us this year. It was well documented that his reading and passing instincts were suspect coming in. That he would have a lot of learning to do and reading Ds was going to consist of the brunt of that work. He was still known to be a playmaker with a great arm and fantastic running abilty. For now, he has gotten by on inconsistent/poor passing numbers because of his other abilities. The true measue with come when those other abilies fall short or get "figured out" by NFL DCs. This is of course only for future years I'm speaking of.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
Which is why he shouldn't have been the OROY...and I counted 6 of 13."But if you want to crown his ###, then crown it."
enny:
Gold Plated Nails
Footballguy
diesel7982
Footballguy
Color me shocked that LHUCKS doesnt agree.Matt Lineart should have won it. He had a better completion percentage.It must have been that last game where Vince threw two picks, was confused by the defense and had a miserable completion percentage.What a joke.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I sure am glad the stat police are here...
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
Warpig
Footballguy
SONUVA! 
I go outta my way to draft this guy in a 32 team dynasty league (w/IDP) in the #8 spot. The whole time I was drinking the kool-aid. Then, about 5 games into the season I go and trade him away to the Tennessee franchise for Brian Griese and his first roung pick in 2007. I already had Grossman and in a 32 team league QB's are hard to come by and I wanted to make sure I atleast had one QB situation locked down. I lost faith in Tennessee doing the right thing and playing Vince. I was also afraid that Fisher and Chow would be gone after this season...so I pulled the trigger. I reiterate: and 
and
Turns out Fisher is returning (good for stability) and Chow may stay as well.
Well, that 1st rounder I also picked up is gonna be a late pick since I'm playing him (the Tennessee franchise) in the playoffs this week!
Good for ya Vince...I'm just stupid.
I go outta my way to draft this guy in a 32 team dynasty league (w/IDP) in the #8 spot. The whole time I was drinking the kool-aid. Then, about 5 games into the season I go and trade him away to the Tennessee franchise for Brian Griese and his first roung pick in 2007. I already had Grossman and in a 32 team league QB's are hard to come by and I wanted to make sure I atleast had one QB situation locked down. I lost faith in Tennessee doing the right thing and playing Vince. I was also afraid that Fisher and Chow would be gone after this season...so I pulled the trigger. I reiterate:
and and Turns out Fisher is returning (good for stability) and Chow may stay as well.
Well, that 1st rounder I also picked up is gonna be a late pick since I'm playing him (the Tennessee franchise) in the playoffs this week!
Good for ya Vince...I'm just stupid.
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