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Apple (AAPL) : Tim Cook announces iForum. Dodds and Bryant prepare shut down operations (1 Viewer)
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NutterButter
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Fennis
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NutterButter
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Fennis
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Mario Kart
Footballguy
Time to buy?
ARGH! If only I pulled the trigger on Tuesday. ARGH!!!!
Oh well... there will be others
ARGH! If only I pulled the trigger on Tuesday. ARGH!!!!
Oh well... there will be others
NajehHejan
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[SIZE=medium]What is the record date for the split? Can we buy shares now and then have them split? If that is a possibility, does it make sense to do that, or wait for the split and then buy? Looking to get my hands on some stock as a first timer[/SIZE]
The Commish
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The Record Date – June 2, 2014 - determines which shareholders are entitled to receive additional shares due to the split.
The Split Date – June 6, 2014 - shareholders are due split shares after the close of business on this date.
The Ex Date - June 9, 2014 - the date determined by NASDAQ when Apple common shares will trade at the new split-adjusted price.
How does a 7-for-1 stock split actually work?A 7-for-1 split means that six additional shares of stock are issued for each share in existence on the Record Date, June 2, 2014.
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NutterButter
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You never know. It could it 700 before the split date. Hell yeah.That was kinda the joke
cr8f
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saintfool
Dead sexy
Just to confirm - let's say I have 5 shares currently valued at $1000. Now I'll have 35 shares valued at $1000. Correct?
culdeus
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The Commish
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You'll have 30 new shares....6*5 (plus the ones you hold now) all values at the new price.
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tommyGunZ
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The share buy back program has been a home run. The $45b they have left to use for the buy should reduce the outstanding shares by another 9-10%.
Denominator getting smaller, dividends increasing, profits growing, and new product lines about to be announced = good time to be bullish.
Denominator getting smaller, dividends increasing, profits growing, and new product lines about to be announced = good time to be bullish.
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Todem
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The optimism is new product catagories. That is the speculation being built into a still....very cheap stock price.
I would not count out Apple to invent another ground breaking device. It's what they do. It's why they are who they are.
Innovation.
Something people need to understand.... is that takes time. You can't just invent life changing stuff like eggs and pancakes. Being a bull for the longest time with this company.....I expect some new ground breaking stuff in the very near future. And I have no idea what it will be......that is what will cause this stock to have another pop. So we wait. Those that had no patience....sold at 400.
Meantime.....we collect a nice growing dividend from a company that is still killing it in sales, service and quality.
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The Commish
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While I never say never and certainly don't count out Apple. I have zero evidence in front of me suggesting that they have anyone in the company's leadership capable of guiding the company to another "ground breaking device". We need to remember that their most recent success in sales (this last quarter specifically) are in their old technology (iPhone 4s) in China. Their production lines for that model should be a lot more efficient after 2.5 years of running and help their bottom line a lot.
Everything about their approach the last year makes me believe they aren't as focused on innovation as they are expanding their global market and brand. They appear to be riding that horse until it's ready for the glue factory. This apparent direction coupled with the introduction of the Windows phones and the already competitive android would be cause for concern (long term of course) for me.
The Commish
Footballguy
I believe a lot of this recent action with the stock price, shares etc is driven by the US tax code, not necessarily the health of the company. It was getting up there in price. The Dow is a price weighted index. Cook's belief is that the company is undervalued so he's going to be borrowing money to feed the stock buy back plan rather than using it's cash. Hard to argue that take with interest rates so low. Same with the dividend payments. Over half the company's earnings are outside the US, so their cash just keeps accumulating in those areas.
NCCommish
Footballguy
No that's what Jobs did. They didn't do it when they outed him and I haven't seen much evidence of it now that he is dead.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
If there is innovation going on, they are doing a good job hiding it. Certainly isn't making its way into their current product lines. Hope isn't a credible thesis to me.
NCCommish
Footballguy
The distribution networks and such? No not at all. But the innovation and picking winners? Yeah one guy could be that important.
siffoin
Footballguy
Remember back in early Aug 2013, you and I had a conversation about the TA of Apple, and I said Bullish from $440ish?
Anyways...I do have a couple of thoughts.
An ideal way to trade the split:
Typically what you'll see when a company announces a stock split is a significant rise in share price that occurs over a number of days.
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Then there will be a short period of a "return to normalcy" This has yet to happen (obviously). But if you were looking for a spot to purchase shares on a pullback look for targets at: $560--$550--$545--$540. Honestly I would think $550 would be a huge gift....anything below $560 and I'd be a buyer.
A couple of weeks prior to the split - there should be another rise in share price exceeding that initial pop.
A trader would look to sell likely right before or after the split.
Other thoughts: The one possibility I can think of that would prove to be a "game changer" for $AAPL has to do with their screens. $GTAT will (likely) be supplying Sapphire screens for new $AAPL devices. Great. Now imagine the screens include the ability for solar charging, significantly improving battery life. In February 2013, $AAPL did file patents for the use of touchscreens and solar panels, and the partnership with $GTAT would seem to make this a real possibility.
A larger Iphone6 with solar charging capabilities would likely be a pretty big forward leap for $AAPL.
Todem
Footballguy
Innovation came from the top minds making the stuff. Jobs was a genius we all know that. But they (Apple) still have the best and brightest for them. According to Cook I have seen him state many times new product catagories are being worked on.
Maybe my assumptions are wrong.....but part of investing in technology stocks is speculating about a companies future. Apple is in tremendous shape fundamentally speaking.......they also have just begun to penetrate the emergining markets. Their growth track still looks very attractive. It is a solid company with a great track record. And my speculation I am baking in to a pop will include new technology in their pipeline.
But this right now......is a value stock with high growth potential if they continue to innovate and design new life changing like products. I think they still can. they also make the highest quality in the smart phone, tablet and laptop space. Clearly a great company. Put aside whether you like or dislike OS and Apples ecosystem.
Their devices scream quality.
Maybe my assumptions are wrong.....but part of investing in technology stocks is speculating about a companies future. Apple is in tremendous shape fundamentally speaking.......they also have just begun to penetrate the emergining markets. Their growth track still looks very attractive. It is a solid company with a great track record. And my speculation I am baking in to a pop will include new technology in their pipeline.
But this right now......is a value stock with high growth potential if they continue to innovate and design new life changing like products. I think they still can. they also make the highest quality in the smart phone, tablet and laptop space. Clearly a great company. Put aside whether you like or dislike OS and Apples ecosystem.
Their devices scream quality.
The Noid
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Thinking a device is the only way they can innovate or impact the marketplace is exactly what you DON'T want them thinking, and it's short-sighted for anyone to view them that way as a company when considering investing in them.
You could have said the same thing about them decades ago about the computer, never imagining a music device would be their next big splash (followed by a phone, etc.)
I think mobile payments/wallets will be the next thing where Apple blazes the trail, not with an iWatch or some techie gadget.
Looks like the next big thing may be coming. $2.8 billion is a huge amount. It's more than P&G spends, and more than twice the amount that Exxon spends.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/2169423-apple-just-spent-2_8-billion-on-the-next-big-thing
http://seekingalpha.com/article/2169423-apple-just-spent-2_8-billion-on-the-next-big-thing
NutterButter
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Crazy that Apple has something like 2x as many credit cards on file as Amazon and that difference is increasing rapidly.
St. Louis Bob
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tommyGunZ
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The Commish
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Jobs dragged the company through his innovation roadmap. That's not in question. I'm confident Cook and company can milk their current position for all it's worth. There are many CEOs that could do that, but they won't be able to keep up with everyone else if they can't innovate enough to maintain themselves in the "off/down times". So in the innovation department, yes, one man was that important.
The Commish
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You should probably read all of what was posted to gather context. I never once suggested they couldn't go to some other format/marketplace and succeed. In fact, I believe that's what is going to be necessary. I'm waiting for the time that they decide to buy a Dish Network type of company and take off with their own infrastructure in the entertainment world.
NCCommish
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The market knows two things. Fear and greed. And they will ride one until the other gets to be too much.
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