Oh, no problem.But honestly, you mean to tell me you wouldn't buy an iToilet?Sorry eoMMan, just feels like I've read this post over 100 times over the last few years.'One said:Cool story, Hansel.I'm not an Apple fan boy and I'm not a Droid fan boy, but...
I have an Motorola 4G Atrix 2 droid phone that I got back in December 2011 (obviously, there are much better droid phones out there now). My woman has an Apple iPhone 4. She has had her for phone for over a year now. She actually just said last night "I feel like your phone is so much more user friendly."
I think the truth of the matter is that Apple has some catching up to do and this iPhone 5 better get it done.
Also, Apple's biggest thing going for it now is name recognition. It's almost like a Starter jacket. Who cares what it looks like or does...it's Apple. I really do think they could come out with an Apple iTurd and it'll sell like crazy.
Okay.
...Meanwhile Apple continues to produce quality hardware and software, sell them like hotcakes and make profits, hand over fist.
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Yes, I was just talking about a first hand experience of an iPhone and Droid user(s) equipment in the same household. As a stock, Apple is still money. They'll make a ton of money with the 5 and continue to make money with everything else they do (iTunes, iPads, Macs, etc.)I thought eoMMan was talking about an actual product.We are talking about a stock here, right?And Justin Bieber continues to sell millions of songs/records.Sorry eoMMan, just feels like I've read this post over 100 times over the last few years.'One said:Cool story, Hansel.I'm not an Apple fan boy and I'm not a Droid fan boy, but...
I have an Motorola 4G Atrix 2 droid phone that I got back in December 2011 (obviously, there are much better droid phones out there now). My woman has an Apple iPhone 4. She has had her for phone for over a year now. She actually just said last night "I feel like your phone is so much more user friendly."
I think the truth of the matter is that Apple has some catching up to do and this iPhone 5 better get it done.
Also, Apple's biggest thing going for it now is name recognition. It's almost like a Starter jacket. Who cares what it looks like or does...it's Apple. I really do think they could come out with an Apple iTurd and it'll sell like crazy.
...Meanwhile Apple continues to produce quality hardware and software, sell them like hotcakes and make profits, hand over fist.
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I'd pre-order a few.Oh, no problem.But honestly, you mean to tell me you wouldn't buy an iToilet?Sorry eoMMan, just feels like I've read this post over 100 times over the last few years.'One said:Cool story, Hansel.I'm not an Apple fan boy and I'm not a Droid fan boy, but...
I have an Motorola 4G Atrix 2 droid phone that I got back in December 2011 (obviously, there are much better droid phones out there now). My woman has an Apple iPhone 4. She has had her for phone for over a year now. She actually just said last night "I feel like your phone is so much more user friendly."
I think the truth of the matter is that Apple has some catching up to do and this iPhone 5 better get it done.
Also, Apple's biggest thing going for it now is name recognition. It's almost like a Starter jacket. Who cares what it looks like or does...it's Apple. I really do think they could come out with an Apple iTurd and it'll sell like crazy.
...Meanwhile Apple continues to produce quality hardware and software, sell them like hotcakes and make profits, hand over fist.
The Commish
Footballguy
I've never seen a group get so worked up over someone telling of their personal experiences that lead to liking a product better than the iPhone. Gets me every time
goonsquad
Think different.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
goons, we all know they'll report growth. the question is whether it will meet, exceed, or fall below analyst expectations.Your prediction?
goonsquad
Think different.
Wait, DiStefano wasn't being sarcastic?goons, we all know they'll report growth. the question is whether it will meet, exceed, or fall below analyst expectations.Your prediction?
AT&T reported better than expected iPhone numbers so that bodes well, I think the the iPhone 5 effect will be less than analysts anticipate. iPad should have a very strong quarter and China should again put Apple over the top.![[icon]](/data/avatars/m/5/5167.jpg?1660313464){kind=avatar}
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Insoxicated
PEople holding off on iphone 5 + Samsung doing well is certainly bound to at least DENT their numbers. I'd be surprised if they didn't meet earnings but I don't see this being a quarter to write home about. As a fellow shareholder, however, I'mhmmmm....i decided to ride out this earnings report and not sell, though I'm very nervous about pent up iPhone demand due to the i5 release.
as well.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
hope you are right gb.Wait, DiStefano wasn't being sarcastic?goons, we all know they'll report growth. the question is whether it will meet, exceed, or fall below analyst expectations.Your prediction?
goonsquad
Think different.
Oh well... buying opportunity!
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Not when you're already all-in.Oh well... buying opportunity!
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Insoxicated
They are going to sell 50 Million iPhone 5's by the end of 2012 so I'd not sweat it too much.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/742801-samsung-has-sold-10-million-galaxy-s3s-but-iphone-5-is-still-the-most-wanted-phone
http://seekingalpha.com/article/742801-samsung-has-sold-10-million-galaxy-s3s-but-iphone-5-is-still-the-most-wanted-phone
Sarnoff
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
CNN reporting Profit was below estimates and sales and earning guidance also missed the forecasts.Typical Wall Street. Apple beats their own guidance and breaks company records for both revenue and profit for a June quarter, yet the stock is getting hammered.
The Ref
Footballguy
Apple beat thier own guidance. Unfortunately they give the worst guidance on Wall Street so nobody goes by that.CNN reporting Profit was below estimates and sales and earning guidance also missed the forecasts.Typical Wall Street. Apple beats their own guidance and breaks company records for both revenue and profit for a June quarter, yet the stock is getting hammered.
Right. They were only up 19%. What a disaster! The world is in recession, the new iPhone is coming, and this dumb company can only grow their earnings by 19% and pay a 1.8% yearly dividend. Should have put my money in CD's.CNN reporting Profit was below estimates and sales and earning guidance also missed the forecasts.Typical Wall Street. Apple beats their own guidance and breaks company records for both revenue and profit for a June quarter, yet the stock is getting hammered.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I agree...not really bad at all. Just pointing out what WS was likely reacting to.Hell, if I did not just spend to replace a water heater and add water filtration/softener throughout the house, id be buying now before the iPhone 5.Im waiting on more about the 5 before I do anything with my 2 year old phone now. Especially with the wife set to get possibly an iPad to match with her 4s.Right. They were only up 19%. What a disaster! The world is in recession, the new iPhone is coming, and this dumb company can only grow their earnings by 19% and pay a 1.8% yearly dividend. Should have put my money in CD's.CNN reporting Profit was below estimates and sales and earning guidance also missed the forecasts.Typical Wall Street. Apple beats their own guidance and breaks company records for both revenue and profit for a June quarter, yet the stock is getting hammered.
Typical Wall Street. Apple beats their own guidance and breaks company records for both revenue and profit for a June quarter, yet the stock is getting hammered.
Everything is Wall Streets fault!
goonsquad
Think different.
True, Apple is traditionally very conservative in their estimates. Keep in mind that Apple makes their guidance before the quarter begins while Wall Street has the luxury of waiting until a week before reporting and using sales data from manufacturing and sales channels in their estimates. Point being, Apple is a victim of their own success.Apple beat thier own guidance. Unfortunately they give the worst guidance on Wall Street so nobody goes by that.CNN reporting Profit was below estimates and sales and earning guidance also missed the forecasts.Typical Wall Street. Apple beats their own guidance and breaks company records for both revenue and profit for a June quarter, yet the stock is getting hammered.
What? Do you expect them to think it is more valuable because its earnings were less then they had priced in?Typical Wall Street. Apple beats their own guidance and breaks company records for both revenue and profit for a June quarter, yet the stock is getting hammered.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
This is the time when you earn credibility by admitting that the numbers were worse than expected and despite strong growth, earning was a disappointment overall.True, Apple is traditionally very conservative in their estimates. Keep in mind that Apple makes their guidance before the quarter begins while Wall Street has the luxury of waiting until a week before reporting and using sales data from manufacturing and sales channels in their estimates. Point being, Apple is a victim of their own success.Apple beat thier own guidance. Unfortunately they give the worst guidance on Wall Street so nobody goes by that.CNN reporting Profit was below estimates and sales and earning guidance also missed the forecasts.Typical Wall Street. Apple beats their own guidance and breaks company records for both revenue and profit for a June quarter, yet the stock is getting hammered.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
What? Do you expect them to think it is more valuable because its earnings were less then they had priced in?Typical Wall Street. Apple beats their own guidance and breaks company records for both revenue and profit for a June quarter, yet the stock is getting hammered.
Me thinks goons doesn't understand the market.
sho nuff
Footballguy
He understands it...the guy is just completely blinded by the fruit.What? Do you expect them to think it is more valuable because its earnings were less then they had priced in?Typical Wall Street. Apple beats their own guidance and breaks company records for both revenue and profit for a June quarter, yet the stock is getting hammered.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Isn't that Obama's campaign slogan?Typical Wall Street. Apple beats their own guidance and breaks company records for both revenue and profit for a June quarter, yet the stock is getting hammered.
Nobody who is rational thinks that a stock will go up forever. But if you pick the right stock, you can have a nice run. I don't think Apple's run is over, but like the stock market, it will fluctuate.
I sold mine a couple of weeks ago at about $604.00 per share. I bought it at $354.00 a share. I'm pretty satisfied with my outcome.
That being said, the stock market is just gambling. No one really knows what is going to happen. There are so many outside factors that effect it. You just have to make an educated guess.
That being said, the stock market is just gambling. No one really knows what is going to happen. There are so many outside factors that effect it. You just have to make an educated guess.
Major
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
People who got in after that last dip, you gotten out yet or are you still thinking it's going up?
adonis
Footballguy
I've been as much of an apple promoter as most on this forum, and even I find it hard to see how it can climb that much higher.When I was big on Apple several years ago, and started a thread about it, how it was a company I believed in and that was going in all the right directions, I saw that it had key technologies, and a pipeline of products it was loading up that would take the industry by storm.By and large now, most of those products have been released, and have been wildly successful.In the meantime, they've lost their heart and soul, Steve Jobs, and I've yet to see more industry-changing technologies filling up their pipeline of products. I know we're all anxiously awaiting each iteration of previous products, or modifcations (mini ipad) of existing lines, but the Apple TV is about the only thing I see coming out there, and I have a hard time understanding what it may be or do, so I can't be too excited.If I were looking at a company to invest in going forward, while I can't rule out that Apple will continue to climb to new hights (likely still has a ways to go up before growth peters out), I'd look to play in other industries and with other companies who seem to be making all the right moves in terms of investments and direction.Anyone can feel free to take issue with my pipeline comment, and give examples of things beyond AppleTV that may be coming that could be a huge new area of growth for the company, but I just don't see it right now.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
The one thing that concerns me about this space from an investor standpoint is that the useful life of these new smartphones is now much longer than it used to be and overall quality has improved, all while margins are getting squeezed due to cutthroat global competition. At some point, significant numbers of users are going to delay upgrading simply because their current smartphone or tablet is more than good enough as the hardware specs and network speeds are now beyond overkill for what most users need while battery life is still stuck in the past. Combine that with a weak economic environment globally and I would be concerned that companies like Apple and Samsung can continue to crush numbers on a quarterly basis going forward. To continue the explosive growth, they will need to unlock the emerging markets with lower cost handsets, but the margins will be poor.
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Apple's trailing PE is 16. It's forward PE is 12.5. Still some room for growth, but the growth curve is flattening.
The General
Footballguy
I agree with pretty much everything you said. It feels like the next sell off is going to be big.
The Mobile technology has advanced to a stage where the improvements will be much less drastic going forward.In the mid 90's through early 2000's I would have to upgrade my desktop computer every couple years to keep up. I've had my current one for 7 years and it can do everything that I need it to do.
