Are Aliens Visiting Us? (1 Viewer)

[HellToupee]

The report is due out today. Not expecting much
 

Yesterday from Christopher Mellon

“Non-human origin is presently the theory that best fits all the facts”

 

[HellToupee]

Statement from Marco Rubio

Miami, FL — Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Vice Chairman Marco Rubio (R-FL) released a statement on the unclassified report on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) issued by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI). 

“For years, the men and women we trust to defend our country reported encounters with unidentified aircraft that had superior capabilities, and for years their concerns were often ignored and ridiculed,” Rubio said. “This report is an important first step in cataloging these incidents, but it is just a first step. The Defense Department and Intelligence Community have a lot of work to do before we can actually understand whether these aerial threats present a serious national security concern.”

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

UFO report: Government can't explain 143 of 144 mysterious flying objects, blames limited data

and I haven't had a chance to read through all of it yet, but here is the preliminary report: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

 

[Jayrod]

The truth is usually a lot less exciting than what we imagine when things are unknown.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

The truth is usually a lot less exciting than what we imagine when things are unknown.

True, they are probably a bunch of dorks that are just here to oggle our women.

 

[E Street Brat]

Statement from Marco Rubio

Miami, FL — Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Vice Chairman Marco Rubio (R-FL) released a statement on the unclassified report on unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) issued by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI). 

“For years, the men and women we trust to defend our country reported encounters with unidentified aircraft that had superior capabilities, and for years their concerns were often ignored and ridiculed,” Rubio said. “This report is an important first step in cataloging these incidents, but it is just a first step. The Defense Department and Intelligence Community have a lot of work to do before we can actually understand whether these aerial threats present a serious national security concern.”

You use the term aerial threats but you don't know if it's a concern?

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

True, they are probably a bunch of dorks that are just here to oggle our women.

Earth girls are easy. 

 

[HellToupee]

Link

UFOs, the Channel Islands and the Navy's 'drone swarm' mystery

The Navy has a perplexing mystery on its hands. For several weeks in 2019, unknown objects stalked U.S. warships off the coast of southern California. While the bizarre “drone” encounters remain unsolved, the incidents occurred in an area with a long history of UFO sightings, including two of the most credible encounters on record.

According to documents reviewed by The Drive, the first reports of unidentified objects hovering and flying near Navy vessels sparked a sweeping, high-level investigation. The Navy, working with the FBI and Coast Guard, now appears to have ruled out civilian activity or U.S. military operations as plausible explanations for the encounters. This leaves two possibilities, each with extraordinary implications.

Either a foreign adversary is spying on Navy ships around the Channel Islands (which lie just west of Los Angeles and San Diego), or devices of truly unknown origin are operating with impunity around U.S. (and allied) vessels.

The implications of a foreign power deploying drones to spy on American warships just off the California coast are immense. For starters, this scenario suggests a monumental U.S. counterintelligence failure. 

Moreover, such a brazen and technically complex intelligence operation amounts to an enormous gamble for a hostile nation. Any shoot-down – as the Navy reportedly attempted – of a foreign surveillance drone so close to U.S. shores would invite sweeping geopolitical repercussions.

Importantly, if the UFOs that stalked the Navy warships were part of an adversarial intelligence collection effort, the objects’ operators made little effort to conceal their presence. Videos taken aboard one U.S. vessel show the mysterious craft displaying bright and flashing lights. At the same time, Navy radar operators tracked the objects with apparent ease, even expressing surprise as the craft engaged in anomalous maneuvers. In another video, a spherical object (which has noteworthy parallels to UFOs observed by fighter pilots off the U.S. east coast) appears to descend slowly into the ocean.

To be sure, investigators and intelligence analysts must take seriously the possibility that a foreign power is spying on U.S. warships a stone’s throw from two major American cities. But based on what is known publicly about these bizarre incidents, investigators should also consider the long history of UFO sightings around the Channel Islands. Decades of anecdotal reports are bolstered by two of the most credible encounters on record.

In a notable 2004 incident, air controllers aboard a Navy guided missile cruiser watched as mysterious radar tracks suddenly appeared around San Clemente Island.

The radar operators grew increasingly uneasy as the UFOs moved south at bizarrely slow speeds. With U.S. planes slated to conduct an air defense exercise in the same area as the unknown objects, controllers directed two F/A-18 fighter jets to investigate the nearest radar contact. 

As the jets approached, all four aviators aboard the two-seat fighters observed a “Tic Tac”-shaped craft hovering and moving in extraordinary ways just above the surface of the ocean. The object, which had no discernible engines, rotors, wings or other control surfaces, then mirrored the maneuvers of the lead fighter jet before accelerating instantaneously out of sight.

After descending tens of thousands of feet in less than a second, the object reappeared on radar 60 miles away, implying unimaginably fast velocities and g-forces. Most perplexingly, the UFO appeared at a pre-determined rendezvous point known only to the aircrew and radar operators. 

U.S. intelligence analyses ruled out highly advanced Chinese or Russian aircraft as plausible explanations for the bizarre encounter. For their part, the four aviators who observed the object believe that it was “not from this world.” 

A half century earlier, one of the most talented and prolific aeronautical engineers in history observed a UFO over the Channel Islands. His account is corroborated by four of America’s most experienced test pilots and aerospace engineers.

Among many noteworthy contributions to American aviation, Clarence “Kelly” Johnson designed the legendary U-2 and SR-71 spy planes as the first head of Lockheed Martin’s famed “Skunk Works” division. On Dec. 16, 1953, Johnson and his wife watched as a UFO with no apparent control surfaces or engines hovered for several minutes in the vicinity of Santa Cruz Island. The object then accelerated rapidly out of sight.

Unknown to Johnson, a Lockheed flight test crew, which included the company’s chief aerodynamics engineer, chief flight test engineer and two highly experienced test pilots, observed the same object while flying northwest along the Los Angeles coastline.

Unsurprisingly, Johnson and the flight crew’s descriptions of the incident are meticulously detailed. Most importantly, Lockheed’s engineers and pilots explicitly ruled out a cloud formation as a plausible explanation for the incident. 

Nonetheless, the Air Force, freshly charged with discrediting and “debunking” all UFO sightings, concluded that five of America’s most credible observers were fooled by a small cloud.

Largely unknown in aviation history, Johnson was a firm believer in the existence of “flying saucers.” In a letter informing the Air Force of the Channel Islands encounter (and another UFO sighting two years earlier), Johnson writes that the incidents left him “more firmly convinced than ever that such devices exist.” According to Johnson, the 1953 encounter helped him win “some highly technical converts in this belief.”

Importantly, the Lockheed engineers’ and pilots’ descriptions of the December 1953 incident refer to another credible sighting over the Channel Islands. In 1951, one of the company’s top test pilots, Roy Wimmer, “sighted some lights over Catalina [Island]” that reportedly “stood still for a while and moved around” before disappearing. The parallels to the movement of the “drones” that recently followed U.S. warships are noteworthy.

No injuries reported after rocket hits base in Iraq housing US troops 

A decade after the Lockheed encounters of the 1950s, a Navy photographer captured video of a UFO moving slowly over Catalina Island. Digitally enhanced footage shows that the object appears to lack control surfaces or obvious means of propulsion, bearing an intriguing resemblance to the strange craft observedby naval aviators in 2004.  

Now, with Congress forcing the government to take the UFO phenomenon seriously for the first time, investigators must consider whether the objects that followed Navy warships are linked to the long history of inexplicable – yet highly credible – encounters in the waters off southern California.

Marik von Rennenkampff served as an analyst with the U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation, as well as an Obama administration appointee at the U.S. Department of Defense. Follow him on Twitter @MvonRen.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

The ocean is deep. Is it possible that a prior civilization reached a superior technological age and they went underground to avoid/survive the cataclysm that occurred ~13,000 years ago? 

More and more I just think we’re just a colonized planet. 

 

 

[dkp993]

The ocean is deep. Is it possible that a prior civilization reached a superior technological age and they went underground to avoid/survive the cataclysm that occurred ~13,000 years ago? 

More and more I just think we’re just a colonized planet. 

 

Interesting and intriguing theory.  Why stay hidden?

 

[Lion to myself]

Interesting and intriguing theory.  Why stay hidden?

COVID.  Just kidding, I don’t want to open any cans or worms here.

If they are super advanced they might think we need to get to a certain level of understanding (tech, science, social, etc) before they reveal.  In Star Trek it’s called the Prime Directive, do not interfere with civilizations until they have  “evolved” to a certain point (warp drives and United world government for examples).  

 

[dkp993]

COVID.  Just kidding, I don’t want to open any cans or worms here.

If they are super advanced they might think we need to get to a certain level of understanding (tech, science, social, etc) before they reveal.  In Star Trek it’s called the Prime Directive, do not interfere with civilizations until they have  “evolved” to a certain point (warp drives and United world government for examples).  

Sure I get that for a off world species. But for one who evolved and lives here.  Not sure that makes the same sense.  

 

[arrow1]

Interesting and intriguing theory.  Why stay hidden?

because people suck

 

[Lion to myself]

Sure I get that for a off world species. But for one who evolved and lives here.  Not sure that makes the same sense.  

I think it could.  If I’m off world I can just leave or blow your planet up.  If I live here I need to be sure the less advance society isn’t going to ruin what I have or become a threat.  

I’m not sure we as planet would handle an advanced society living under the water too well, even if they had the best intentions.  I pretty sure it would throw the world into chaos.  It’s a lot of leaders and religions you have to deal with.  But once you eliminate war and unit the governments then it becomes less of threat reveal yourself.  Less cooks in the kitchen.  

 

[beer 30]

Interesting and intriguing theory.  Why stay hidden?

Have you met us?

because people suck

This

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Interesting and intriguing theory.  Why stay hidden?

because people suck

They probably don’t look like us nor act like us.
 

It’s just a fun theory. I have done enough research to say with 100% certainty that the timeline of humans that we are told is not accurate.  
 

Just one small example- the pyramids- all those hieroglyphics - it’s just plaster over top of the original structures. They didn’t build those things, they found them. 

 

[Sinn Fein]

The ocean is deep. Is it possible that a prior civilization reached a superior technological age and they went underground to avoid/survive the cataclysm that occurred ~13,000 years ago? 

More and more I just think we’re just a colonized planet. 

 

Its possible.  But it would also lead to the same conclusion - Aliens are not visiting us.  We are the aliens.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Its possible.  But it would also lead to the same conclusion - Aliens are not visiting us.  We are the aliens.

Possible. Elon Musk is adamant that we need to be a space faring species. We “only” have ~500 million years left here before the sun devours this planet. While that is a long time- it is finite. 
 

There is a lot of evidence/speculation that the moon was placed in its orbit. 

It’s just as possible that we’re are just one of many colonies left to fend for ourselves. 
 

I love stuff like this. It’s certainly more fun (and believable to me) than evolution.

 

[Jayrod]

There is a lot of evidence/speculation that the moon was placed in its orbit. 

This and our own planet being in the extremely narrow habitable zone are two prime reasons for a belief in intelligent design.  So many things are just too precise for random chance.  And yeah, I get the whole infinite timeline business...but there are a lot of things that don't make sense even in that construct, namely abiogenesis (for which we have no decent theories).  Trying to define music and art and human emotions and abstract thought into the constrictions of a strictly materialistic philosophy is an impossibility.

So what do we look to?  If you're an atheist, you have to go to multidimensional theories and then....aliens, I guess (despite there being absolutely zero evidence that life as we know it exists anywhere else).  Hence this thread.

We are more than just a random collision of molecules and it is quite obvious to anyone who cares to look into such things with an objective mindset.  Where you go from there requires a look into more than just the physical world...at least the known physical world.  Deep dives into quantum physics reveals how little we actually understand about the natural world anyway. There are forces and a nature to the universe that is a complete mystery to us and our understanding of reality.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

This and our own planet being in the extremely narrow habitable zone are two prime reasons for a belief in intelligent design.  So many things are just too precise for random chance.  And yeah, I get the whole infinite timeline business...but there are a lot of things that don't make sense even in that construct, namely abiogenesis (for which we have no decent theories).  Trying to define music and art and human emotions and abstract thought into the constrictions of a strictly materialistic philosophy is an impossibility.

So what do we look to?  If you're an atheist, you have to go to multidimensional theories and then....aliens, I guess (despite there being absolutely zero evidence that life as we know it exists anywhere else).  Hence this thread.

We are more than just a random collision of molecules and it is quite obvious to anyone who cares to look into such things with an objective mindset.  Where you go from there requires a look into more than just the physical world...at least the known physical world.  Deep dives into quantum physics reveals how little we actually understand about the natural world anyway. There are forces and a nature to the universe that is a complete mystery to us and our understanding of reality.

I'm a Christian and mostly agree with your first paragraph.  However disagree with your second. The sheer numbers of stars, and planets orbiting them, predict that not only is there life elsewhere, there's likely millions of planets with life. JMHO

 

[Jayrod]

I'm a Christian and mostly agree with your first paragraph.  However disagree with your second. The sheer numbers of stars, and planets orbiting them, predict that not only is there life elsewhere, there's likely millions of planets with life. JMHO

I believe abiogenesis is the key.  How does life come from non-life?  As a Christian, unless God wants it there, it isn't going to be there.  Now he may have done so on many galaxies all around the universe, which would be cool actually...but I don't see any evidence of that and it doesn't seem to be able to just happen on its own.  Much of the Bible would indicate otherwise and that the universe was created for our benefit, stars/galaxies/planets millions of light years away included.  God can go infinitely small and infinitely large at the same time, so the massiveness of it all is irrelevant.

 

[Godsbrother]

I believe abiogenesis is the key.  How does life come from non-life?  As a Christian, unless God wants it there, it isn't going to be there.  Now he may have done so on many galaxies all around the universe, which would be cool actually...but I don't see any evidence of that and it doesn't seem to be able to just happen on its own.  Much of the Bible would indicate otherwise and that the universe was created for our benefit, stars/galaxies/planets millions of light years away included.  God can go infinitely small and infinitely large at the same time, so the massiveness of it all is irrelevant.

There is no concrete evidence of a God or Gods either.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

There is no concrete evidence of a God or Gods either.

And this is coming from his BROTHER!

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

There is no concrete evidence of a God or Gods either.

Correct, like most, if not all religions it is faith based.  With scientific method we can predict whether life exists on other planets because we know (probably, not so sure we're not part of some computer program) we exist and can plug in the variables that lead to that existence. 

I apologize for derailing the thread.  Please keep sharing the interesting alien stories.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Yeah I’m trying to explore the god thing/religion and while it may be out there, it certainly isn’t the version that was only popular because moving type was invented during King James’ rein. 

 

[foxco]

There is a lot of evidence/speculation that the moon was placed in its orbit. 

Moonfall!!

 

[song]

I believe abiogenesis is the key.  How does life come from non-life?  As a Christian, unless God wants it there, it isn't going to be there.  Now he may have done so on many galaxies all around the universe, which would be cool actually...but I don't see any evidence of that and it doesn't seem to be able to just happen on its own.  Much of the Bible would indicate otherwise and that the universe was created for our benefit, stars/galaxies/planets millions of light years away included.  God can go infinitely small and infinitely large at the same time, so the massiveness of it all is irrelevant.

Jayrod, you are obviously an intelligent and thoughtful person, but jeez louise, you seem to think you know a lot of things that i certainly don't know.  heck, i don't even know if i'm responding to be critical or helpful.  maybe both?

i had to look up abiogenesis.  (in case there are other's that don't know, google told me it's the belief that life came or comes from non life).  why do you believe that?  how life is, is a mystery to me.

you seem to believe you are able to conceptualize the nature of God well enough, to speculate that God wants,  i'm guessing similar to the way a human might.  could be.

you don't see evidence of life on the many galaxies all around the universe.  i don't have extensive knowledge of probably any of the galaxies.  i'm pretty sure there is evidence of life within inches of me that i'm unaware of.

you state that life doesn't seem to be able to just happen on it's own, but start out questioning (understandably) how life comes about.

you say God can go infinitely small and infinitely large (i don't disagree), pretty much obliterating the usual concept of space, but in the same thought, posit the existence of time.

we are perhaps blessed by our not knowing.  it allows life to be wonder full.

 

[song]

and can plug in the variables that lead to that existence. 

you can?

i didn't think you derailed the thread.

 

[KarmaPolice]

They probably don’t look like us nor act like us.
 

It’s just a fun theory. I have done enough research to say with 100% certainty that the timeline of humans that we are told is not accurate.  
 

Just one small example- the pyramids- all those hieroglyphics - it’s just plaster over top of the original structures. They didn’t build those things, they found them. 

How much weed you be smokin', Steady?    

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

How much weed you be smokin', Steady?    

Lol, actually not much these days. I also don’t watch a lot of sports or play a lot of video games anymore. I spend most of my free time reading and watching stuff about ancient civilizations and the history of warfare. 

 

[KarmaPolice]

Lol, actually not much these days. I also don’t watch a lot of sports or play a lot of video games anymore. I spend most of my free time reading and watching stuff about ancient civilizations and the history of warfare. 

Have any recommendations for the bolded?  

I need to get into reading more, and also love that topic.   A few years ago I freaked myself out by binging the Graham Hancock/Randall Carlson episodes + one of their books + a book that I happen to randomly catch at the library one day - The World Without Us by A. Weisman.   The pods put in perspective that people were around 13000 during a cataclysmic event which is terrifying to me and then Weisman's book put into perspective how quickly our stuff would get eaten up by the Earth if we disappeared.   

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

you can?

i didn't think you derailed the thread.

Sure, and thank you.

I'm far from an expert on this, or any subject for that matter, but please see below.

A paper published in The Astronomical Journal used data from NASA's now-retired Kepler space telescope to conclude that our galaxy holds an estimated 300 million of these potentially habitable -- a rocky planet capable of supporting liquid water on its surface.

Of course that doesn't mean that we aren't the anomaly and the galaxy is full of ice beings on a huge, or small planet or moons, far from a star, either.

ETA

There was program on Discovery, I believe, I watched years ago that theorized on potential life on planets outside what we consider the habitable zone that was fun.  Intelligent beings completely difference than ourselves.  If I somehow, lol I'm old, remember, I'll post.

 

[GreenNGold]

This and our own planet being in the extremely narrow habitable zone are two prime reasons for a belief in intelligent design. 

That just raises the question, where did the intelligent designer come from? 

 

[song]

paper published in The Astronomical Journal used data from NASA's now-retired Kepler space telescope to conclude that our galaxy holds an estimated 300 million of these potentially habitable -- a rocky planet capable of supporting liquid water on its surface.

thanks.  i apologize for being very unclear in my response. i think i meant the opposite of how you took it.  i was thinking that as we don't know what form possible life might take, we probably don't know what might be required to support it.  and that even on earth, we probably don't have a comprehensive understanding of everything required.  not to mention the possible other dimensions, whose possible creatures may not even have physicality.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Have any recommendations for the bolded?  

I need to get into reading more, and also love that topic.   A few years ago I freaked myself out by binging the Graham Hancock/Randall Carlson episodes + one of their books + a book that I happen to randomly catch at the library one day - The World Without Us by A. Weisman.   The pods put in perspective that people were around 13000 during a cataclysmic event which is terrifying to me and then Weisman's book put into perspective how quickly our stuff would get eaten up by the Earth if we disappeared.   

Here are a few to get started. Your feed will populate many more after you watch a couple…. 
 

Bright insight (YouTube) is a good place to start 

Randal Carlson has a podcast and YouTube channel now 

Brien Forrester - Ancient civilizations 

Erich von Däniken - He has done TONS of research how how extra terrestrials and the Bible are connected. He’s a hard listen as his accent is thick 

For history - a good place to start is Dan Carlans Hardcore History. He has another spin off that’s not as long

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

thanks.  i apologize for being very unclear in my response. i think i meant the opposite of how you took it.  i was thinking that as we don't know what form possible life might take, we probably don't know what might be required to support it.  and that even on earth, we probably don't have a comprehensive understanding of everything required.  not to mention the possible other dimensions, whose possible creatures may not even have physicality.

Thanks GB, I agree with you 100%

From a theological standpoint imagine if we make contact with an alien civilization and were told that Jesus/Allah/Buddha/Muhammad/Zeus/Ra/themselves, whomever, were "god" and why we were here.   Better yet, that they have had contact with the being and it was just a couple of jumps between wormholes to meet "it". 

Unfortunately, most religions focus on what they worship being the correct direction and all else are lost unless they convert.  I think the notion of being wrong scares most people and historically much worse. I personally care more about treating each other the way Christ taught us instead everyone else being wrong the way they worship.  It's as simple as if we all loved each other the way we would prefer to be loved the world would be a much better place.

 

[dkp993]

They probably don’t look like us nor act like us.
 

It’s just a fun theory. I have done enough research to say with 100% certainty that the timeline of humans that we are told is not accurate.  
 

Just one small example- the pyramids- all those hieroglyphics - it’s just plaster over top of the original structures. They didn’t build those things, they found them. 

Act like us, sure.  But why wouldn’t they look like us?  Are you suggesting an alternate line of evolution?   
 

*and yes I agree this is just a fun thought experiment.  

 

[zoonation]

I can’t tell if people are being serious in here, lol. 

 

[dkp993]

I can’t tell if people are being serious in here, lol. 

The basis for any good conversation.  

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Act like us, sure.  But why wouldn’t they look like us?  Are you suggesting an alternate line of evolution?   
 

*and yes I agree this is just a fun thought experiment.  

To your point about fun thought experiments…

Not sure. Anything is possible. I mean these UFOs are unexplainable, right?

There’s a lot of evidence that there were giants. The Smithsonian has hundreds of giant skeletons.  

How bizarre are Dinosaurs? 
 

 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I can’t tell if people are being serious in here, lol. 

Dead serious, no. But it’s fun to speculate. I said it upstream - there is no way that the timeline of humans that we have been taught I regards to age, migration and technology is correct. 

We’re finding out so much everyday and the walls are crumbling down around “mainstream academia’s” traditional timelines. 

Between all the excavations of megalithic sites, improving radar technology and this James Webb telescope- the story of this world is going to be drastically different than you know it today in the near future.

If you like history and science, it’s the most exciting time to be alive. 

 

[dkp993]

To your point about fun thought experiments…

Not sure. Anything is possible. I mean these UFOs are unexplainable, right?

There’s a lot of evidence that there were giants. The Smithsonian has hundreds of giant skeletons.  

How bizarre are Dinosaurs? 
 

 

Sure,  I guess I was just thinking about during that younger dryas period where there was obviously an event 12k-ish years ago that lead to a huge die off of Humans.  Where the stories about where Atlantis etc. coincide. I was tying that to where some advanced civilization and technology could have been.  If your thinking 10’s of millions of years ago then I guess that’s a different thought process.  
 

I’m unaware of this talk about giants. The Smithsonian has giants? 

 

[dkp993]

If you like history and science, it’s the most exciting time to be alive. 

Could not agree more.  

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Sure,  I guess I was just thinking about during that younger dryas period where there was obviously an event 12k-ish years ago that lead to a huge die off of Humans.  Where the stories about where Atlantis etc. coincide. I was tying that to where some advanced civilization and technology could have been.  If your thinking 10’s of millions of years ago then I guess that’s a different thought process.  
 

I’m unaware of this talk about giants. The Smithsonian has giants? 

Dinosaur bones GB.  

That Satan hid to trick us. 

I kid, I kid.

 

[dkp993]

Dinosaur bones GB.  

That Satan hid to trick us. 

I kid, I kid.

Thanks. I though that’s might be what he was referring too but just wanted clarification.  Didn’t know if we were talking some Prometheus ####.  

 

[SpurrierisisGod]

Bit of a derail above but I think it's a good convo starter...maybe it's own thread?

I am fascinated by the alien stuff.  The scientific/logical side of me just knows that based on sheer numbers that the likelihood of other intelligent life existing somewhere in the universe has to be approaching 100%.

The agnostic side of me, while recognizing that some things just can not be explained. I am not a non-believer.  i still can admit that some "intelligent design" may be involved. 

The Bible in no way shape or form can be a guide to what might or might not exist anywhere outside of our solar system.  At the time it was "written" it was just a collection of stories passed down over generation to generation by people that had absolutely no clue that other possible "suns" even existed.  How can that be a reference used to determine whether life exists 1 trillion miles away from us?

TL;DR : Bible writers couldn't have known.  Statically, the sheer numbers point to something existing other than us.  The real question is, are they so far advanced beyond us that we can't even get a non-grainy video of their visits?

 

[song]

Thanks GB, I agree with you 100%

From a theological standpoint imagine if we make contact with an alien civilization and were told that Jesus/Allah/Buddha/Muhammad/Zeus/Ra/themselves, whomever, were "god" and why we were here.   Better yet, that they have had contact with the being and it was just a couple of jumps between wormholes to meet "it". 

Unfortunately, most religions focus on what they worship being the correct direction and all else are lost unless they convert.  I think the notion of being wrong scares most people and historically much worse. I personally care more about treating each other the way Christ taught us instead everyone else being wrong the way they worship.  It's as simple as if we all loved each other the way we would prefer to be loved the world would be a much better place.

like your post very much.  agree with you and the Beatles about love.  i posted in the PSF a few days ago (silly me) that we need to act out of the fullness of love.

from a spiritual standpoint, i think the very good news is that there are no wormholes required.

i think i should bow out of this thread though.  i have long felt there is other intelligent life, good chance in spacecraft, and also not.  but it doesn't really change anything for me spiritually, or as far as what toppings i want on my pizza, or what crypto might be a good investment.  and it's starting to look like maybe they are not going to swoop in to save us from ourselves.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

I think I would like this thread if I got ahold of some peyote or some mushrooms

otherwise ...you ####ers are crazy.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I think I would like this thread if I got ahold of some peyote or some mushrooms

otherwise ...you ####ers are crazy.

If your brain can’t handle a light hearted speculative conversation, maybe less drugs and more books would help prevent you from entering and commenting in threads “you don’t like”. 
 

 

[Binky The Doormat]

If your brain can’t handle a light hearted speculative conversation, maybe less drugs and more books would help prevent you from entering and commenting in threads “you don’t like”. 
 

yikes, sorry man - I was skipping around threads and read a few in here

really ...I didn't mean it mean-spirited - apologies