Are you less interested in Dynasty Formats? (2 Viewers)

[FUBAR]

My problem with redraft: I could play in a twelve team league with the eleven best players in the world, or I could play against eleven random grandmas, and have nearly the same odds of winning either league. I play in the world famous Tim FFA league, but mostly because it's fun to talk ####. Would not dream of playing redraft with a group of total strangers.

Still playing in 3 dynasty leagues, but seriously considering quitting two of them.

Had a random idea idea for a startup dynasty league that intrigues me. Lot of details to work through which I won't do anytime soon, but the gist of the idea is to have the pot (or most of the pot roll over season after season, until somebody wins two years in a row. It would create a lot of interesting trade dynamics, and it would certainly build long term commitment. Hmmm, this could work for redraft too. ... or instead of two consecutive titles, the first one to amass two, or three titles.

Agree on the bolded. Seems I do worse in work leagues.

I will say auction /salary cap leagues are more fun than normal draft leagues.

 

[grateful zed]

No longer have interest in them whatsoever. Experiences have just been a waste of time.

I've tried joining 4 different ones on this site. None of them lasted beyond 2 years. 3 of them didn't make past year 1. One of which ended before drafted even ended.

5 of my 10 dynasty leagues have been going strong for over a decade.

Over 20 years for my league.

over 30 in ours.

 

[eoMMan]

Not interested in dynasty leagues.

 

[Mister CIA]

Can we make fun of keeper leagues in this thread? There's nothing less interesting than your "e before i except when" league.

 

[Moonlight]

In 4 dynasty leagues that have been together for years.

 

[Chapelboy]

Just go to the DLF message boards and see how much interest there is in dynasty. It's huge. I've been playing dynasty since 2001 on MFL, but started two new leagues via the RSO format and found 21 owners for a 12- and a 10- man league in under a month.

Maybe the FBG message boards lack activity regarding dynasty but it sure seems alive and well and growing at DLF.

 

[FUBAR]

Can we make fun of keeper leagues in this thread? There's nothing less interesting than your "e before i except when" league.

Just go to the DLF message boards and see how much interest there is in dynasty. It's huge. I've been playing dynasty since 2001 on MFL, but started two new leagues via the RSO format and found 21 owners for a 12- and a 10- man league in under a month.

Maybe the FBG message boards lack activity regarding dynasty but it sure seems alive and well and growing at DLF.

I might need to go back to bed because I don't know either of these.

 

[Biabreakable]

Dynasty is the most challenging and rewarding format of fantasy football because it encompass all other forms of playing.

When your decisions actually have long term consequences your decisions become meaningful compared to just rolling the dice or acting on a whim. As some have already mentioned, depth and contingency plans are of greater importance.

To use an analogy from the former Dynasty Soundtrack show, Dynasty is chess not checkers or playing the lottery.

Practicing and improving your knowledge for dynasty I think it only helps you in other formats that are simpler than dynasty. I can see why some may not like dynasty formats because the format actually holds the manager accountable for their good or poor decisions. Those decisions tend to compound themselves over time as well. Owners dig holes for themselves due to bad processes that repeatedly lead to poor decisions or vice versa.

 

[Concept Coop]

Dynasty separates the men from the boys as far as being able to judge talent coming into the NFL. Anyone can draft the flavor of the year. Can you build a consistent dynasty winner year after year. Redrafters cannot - that's why they play redraft only.

You're definitely onto something here.

I don't follow college football at all, so I'm at a disadvantage in dynasty.

I also found after I tried it for a couple seasons that I just didn't have the patience for it.

I don't either and I am a hard core dynasty player in 10 leagues, but I haven't found myself at a disadvantage.

I usually don't pay start paying attention to the rookie class until about a week before the NFL draft. There are enough NFL scouts wannabes who post their rankings here and on the net to do the work for me. And I can get up to speed rather quickly on most of the players, particularly since they all seem to have at least one YouTube compilation/highlights tape. Admittedly one probably has an advantage following college football, but my track record in dynasty seems about as good as those who hold themselves out as rookie draft scout experts on this forum.

Rookie scouting is an overrated aspect of dynasty building, IMO. As you said, the work is largely done for us. There are better ways to invest your man hours, IMO. It's fun, so if you have the time and enjoy it--by all means--have at it. But I think you're better off with a more concentrated focus. It's a lot easier to find loopholes (or other means of improvement) in your league (or even format) than it is to best the professionals at their profession (in your spare time).

 

[Concept Coop]

Dynasty is the most challenging and rewarding format of fantasy football because it encompass all other forms of playing.

When your decisions actually have long term consequences your decisions become meaningful compared to just rolling the dice or acting on a whim.

To use an analogy from the former Dynasty Soundtrack show, Dynasty is chess not checkers or playing the lottery.

I mostly agree with this. But it's worth pointing out that the dynasty format comes with a built in equalizer. Most Gurley/Cooper owners didn't "earn" them this year.

 

[lod01]

Dynasty is the most challenging and rewarding format of fantasy football because it encompass all other forms of playing.

When your decisions actually have long term consequences your decisions become meaningful compared to just rolling the dice or acting on a whim. As some have already mentioned, depth and contingency plans are of greater importance.

To use an analogy from the former Dynasty Soundtrack show, Dynasty is chess not checkers or playing the lottery.

Practicing and improving your knowledge for dynasty I think it only helps you in other formats that are simpler than dynasty. I can see why some may not like dynasty formats because the format actually holds the manager accountable for their good or poor decisions. Those decisions tend to compound themselves over time as well. Owners dig holes for themselves due to bad processes that repeatedly lead to poor decisions or vice versa.

Drafting is so key in Dynasty. A poor pick at the top of the draft can really set a team back and can't be repaired as easily as redraft. Ex. - Trent Richardson. In redraft, you reset the following year so a mistake is wiped off the board. My starting team in a 14 team dynasty is all draft picks - Ryan, Leveon, Freeman, Calvin, Marshall, Martavis Bryant or John Brown, Jimmy Graham and Tucker at Kicker. 3 backups are also draft picks. Solidly 2-6 that I blame mostly on the Lions and Seahawks coaches along with having the most points scored against me. Only had 1 game with the complete lineup in.

 

[ghostguy123]

Dynasty is the most challenging and rewarding format of fantasy football because it encompass all other forms of playing.

When your decisions actually have long term consequences your decisions become meaningful compared to just rolling the dice or acting on a whim.

To use an analogy from the former Dynasty Soundtrack show, Dynasty is chess not checkers or playing the lottery.

I mostly agree with this. But it's worth pointing out that the dynasty format comes with a built in equalizer. Most Gurley/Cooper owners didn't "earn" them this year.

Nobody that got them in any of my leagues did it with their own pick.................so there's that.

 

[Denver724]

The dynasty (format) momentum seems to have plateaued, at least. Likely due to the increasing popularity of weekly leagues--creating a more concentrated, short-term focus.

I base this mostly on Shark Pool and Twitter chat, and a declining level of activity in my dynasty leagues (chat, offers, etc.). Wondering if it's just me and my scope. It could also be the that the dynasty buzz is as strong as ever, just being lost in the increased short-term noise.

Anyone else notice or agree? Anyone finding themselves less interested or involved in the format this year?

ETA: It's hands down my format of choice. I'm not losing interest in it, but am wondering if the hobby as a whole is.

Interesting question. I am all about dynasty, but I do play DFS tournaments to see if I can get lucky and win some money. In the end dynasty is about strategy (short term view, long term view or somewhere in between). DFS is more about luck than anything. Finding the right lightly owned players (who score huge points) to put you above the other thousands of players to win big money.

And I love rookie drafts. I am in my 40's and have always been an NFL draft guy (since my teens). So to play fantasy and draft rookies every year gives me a charge. Love it!

 

[Adam Harstad]

Just go to the DLF message boards and see how much interest there is in dynasty. It's huge. I've been playing dynasty since 2001 on MFL, but started two new leagues via the RSO format and found 21 owners for a 12- and a 10- man league in under a month.

Maybe the FBG message boards lack activity regarding dynasty but it sure seems alive and well and growing at DLF.

I might need to go back to bed because I don't know either of these.

DLF is www.dynastyleaguefootball.com.

No clue on the first one.

 

[Concept Coop]

Dynasty is the most challenging and rewarding format of fantasy football because it encompass all other forms of playing.

When your decisions actually have long term consequences your decisions become meaningful compared to just rolling the dice or acting on a whim.

To use an analogy from the former Dynasty Soundtrack show, Dynasty is chess not checkers or playing the lottery.

I mostly agree with this. But it's worth pointing out that the dynasty format comes with a built in equalizer. Most Gurley/Cooper owners didn't "earn" them this year.

Nobody that got them in any of my leagues did it with their own pick.................so there's that.

Fair enough--that certainly happens.

But if you're bad in redraft, you start with a clean slate. If you're bad in dynasty, you're given better assets. I don't mean to argue that re-draft is harder in general (although I have less success there). But you're not rewarded for your mistakes or struggles the way you are in dynasty formats.

 

[B-Deep]

I LOVE the dynasty format, but it takes dedicated owners willing to suffer through bad rosters, it takes some dedication

 

[Biabreakable]

Dynasty is the most challenging and rewarding format of fantasy football because it encompass all other forms of playing.

When your decisions actually have long term consequences your decisions become meaningful compared to just rolling the dice or acting on a whim.

To use an analogy from the former Dynasty Soundtrack show, Dynasty is chess not checkers or playing the lottery.

I mostly agree with this. But it's worth pointing out that the dynasty format comes with a built in equalizer. Most Gurley/Cooper owners didn't "earn" them this year.

Right. This is tied to the consequences of trading away future draft picks. Especially if you over-estimate your teams ability to win in the season that will cause the draft position.

I recall a long time back an owner who was taking over a rebuilding team. He didn't believe in his ability to make good picks with his draft picks. So he felt it would be better for him to trade those picks for players he at least felt good about.

I gave him some pieces that I think helped make his team more competitive in exchange for future draft picks that I estimated to have a good chance of landing in the top 3 of the following draft, even after the value I was giving him in the deal improving his line up. I did not give up any players that I considered to be core contributors however. One of the pieces I recall being Cedric Benson who had personal issues following the trade before ending up with the Bengals and somewhat of a resurgence. By the time this happened the owner had already cut Benson and one of my competitors picks him up. My estimation of this teams wins was pretty accurate and I made out like a bandit on the deal because the other owner didn't value players very well and did not value rookie picks enough.

As far as rookie player evaluation goes. I don't really follow college football. Never have.I might read a bit here and there about college prospects during the NFL season, but I do not split my focus when I do not have enough time to investigate everything in the NFL I would like, much less a gazillion college football teams. I also do not like watching college football because of the lack of parity between teams. It can be very easy to get an imbalanced view of a players capabilities when they are playing against a defense that is over matched and most college defenses are.

I don't really start evaluating rookie players until after the Super Bowl when I will read what draftniks and others think of the incoming group of rookie players. The players from those things I read I will try to watch their games on draftbreakdown or wherever I can find games of those players who interest me. I do this to form my own impression of the player, not that I am better at evaluating players than professionals, just for my own context.

I didn't play fantasy football from 2009 to 2011 and I found that I didn't really know a lot of the players in the NFL anymore after not studying this stuff for a few years. I think this gave me a fresh outlook towards fantasy football but I needed to start evaluating rookie classes again to get a better understanding of all of the players in the league because of the missed time. Now 3 years later I think I have built my knowledge base back to a level that it used to be before I took the break.

Just like making projections. I don't think my projections are better than other projections out there. However the process of doing projections gives me insights into teams that I would not otherwise have and helps me to quantify player values.

 

[Mister CIA]

Can we make fun of keeper leagues in this thread? There's nothing less interesting than your "e before i except when" league.

Seems like there are dozens of variations for keeper leagues. Anytime I see somebody seeking analysis on their particular variation of keeper rules I instantly hyperspace out of the conversation. It's not unlike trying to digest odd rules of grammar.

 

[Mister CIA]

Dynasty is the most challenging and rewarding format of fantasy football because it encompass all other forms of playing.

When your decisions actually have long term consequences your decisions become meaningful compared to just rolling the dice or acting on a whim.

To use an analogy from the former Dynasty Soundtrack show, Dynasty is chess not checkers or playing the lottery.

I mostly agree with this. But it's worth pointing out that the dynasty format comes with a built in equalizer. Most Gurley/Cooper owners didn't "earn" them this year.

Just like making projections. I don't think my projections are better than other projections out there. However the process of doing projections gives me insights into teams that I would not otherwise have and helps me to quantify player values.

Ugh, I can't stand doing projections. Wait, that is not true; I've never done projections. Wait, that's not true; sometimes I make #### up just for fun.

I much prefer tiers (super awesome, super super awesome, and first ballot HoFer), combined with an age and wear coefficient for individual players.

 

[cstu]

The dynasty (format) momentum seems to have plateaued, at least. Likely due to the increasing popularity of weekly leagues--creating a more concentrated, short-term focus.

I base this mostly on Shark Pool and Twitter chat, and a declining level of activity in my dynasty leagues (chat, offers, etc.). Wondering if it's just me and my scope. It could also be the that the dynasty buzz is as strong as ever, just being lost in the increased short-term noise.

Anyone else notice or agree? Anyone finding themselves less interested or involved in the format this year?

ETA: It's hands down my format of choice. I'm not losing interest in it, but am wondering if the hobby as a whole is.

Have been less active than in the past, but I'm working more.

There's been a noticeable decline in trade activity in all my leagues so it's not just me.

Still my format of choice though.

 

[az_prof]

Far more entertained by dynasty.

Trying to predict the various changes over seasons is the most compelling aspect to the whole fantasy experience for me at this point.

Me too. The one I am in has been going now for maybe 7 or 8 years. I enjoy trying to predict value long term.

 

[Biabreakable]

Dynasty is the most challenging and rewarding format of fantasy football because it encompass all other forms of playing.

When your decisions actually have long term consequences your decisions become meaningful compared to just rolling the dice or acting on a whim.

To use an analogy from the former Dynasty Soundtrack show, Dynasty is chess not checkers or playing the lottery.

I mostly agree with this. But it's worth pointing out that the dynasty format comes with a built in equalizer. Most Gurley/Cooper owners didn't "earn" them this year.

Just like making projections. I don't think my projections are better than other projections out there. However the process of doing projections gives me insights into teams that I would not otherwise have and helps me to quantify player values.

Ugh, I can't stand doing projections. Wait, that is not true; I've never done projections. Wait, that's not true; sometimes I make #### up just for fun.

I much prefer tiers (super awesome, super super awesome, and first ballot HoFer), combined with an age and wear coefficient for individual players.

There is a lot of different ways to make projections. Some might actually be appropriate to what you are using the projections for.

I like to tier as well. Tiers based off of projections help you differentiate between a WR 3 or WR 4 for example. The utility of that difference would depend on your scoring requirements that those tiers would be formed from.

For age I pay attention to production curves but I don't give it a lot of weight in my decisions as each player is unique.

Sometimes projections can be information overload. A bad projection could do more harm than good. Still I think I make better decisions the more informed those decisions are. After tiers it comes down to the gun to the head method of who I would draft in order. I still view the player at the bottom of each tier as about equal to the top player of the tier. The order is based off of all the ancillary considerations that are subjective but hopefully informed by the other information such as projections and everything else.

 

[JohnnyU]

Dynasty is the most challenging and rewarding format of fantasy football because it encompass all other forms of playing.

When your decisions actually have long term consequences your decisions become meaningful compared to just rolling the dice or acting on a whim.

To use an analogy from the former Dynasty Soundtrack show, Dynasty is chess not checkers or playing the lottery.

I mostly agree with this. But it's worth pointing out that the dynasty format comes with a built in equalizer. Most Gurley/Cooper owners didn't "earn" them this year.

Just like making projections. I don't think my projections are better than other projections out there. However the process of doing projections gives me insights into teams that I would not otherwise have and helps me to quantify player values.

Ugh, I can't stand doing projections. Wait, that is not true; I've never done projections. Wait, that's not true; sometimes I make #### up just for fun.

I much prefer tiers (super awesome, super super awesome, and first ballot HoFer), combined with an age and wear coefficient for individual players.

I've never made projections in my life. It is not a prerequisite to success in dynasty leagues that I play. I pretty much know who I like from a mental perspective and I do a LOT of reading on players. I think the key to long term success is being a great trader, have a thorough knowledge of all players to some degree, and being super active on the waiver wire.

 

[JackReacher]

Dynasty is the most challenging and rewarding format of fantasy football because it encompass all other forms of playing.

When your decisions actually have long term consequences your decisions become meaningful compared to just rolling the dice or acting on a whim.

To use an analogy from the former Dynasty Soundtrack show, Dynasty is chess not checkers or playing the lottery.

I mostly agree with this. But it's worth pointing out that the dynasty format comes with a built in equalizer. Most Gurley/Cooper owners didn't "earn" them this year.

This is a great thing about the FFPC format. The worst record is only guaranteed a top 4 pick. He must then win two straight games to get 1.1. Straight out tanking will not get you Gurley in this format.

 

[Chapelboy]

Just go to the DLF message boards and see how much interest there is in dynasty. It's huge. I've been playing dynasty since 2001 on MFL, but started two new leagues via the RSO format and found 21 owners for a 12- and a 10- man league in under a month.

Maybe the FBG message boards lack activity regarding dynasty but it sure seems alive and well and growing at DLF.

I might need to go back to bed because I don't know either of these.

DLF is www.dynastyleaguefootball.com.

No clue on the first one.

That would be the world-renowned, almost famous www.realitysportsonline.com format

 

[Adam Harstad]

That would be the world-renowned, almost famous www.realitysportsonline.com format

Yeah, I knew the RSO one. I actually wrote a product review on them last year. I was referring instead to the "e before i" reference.

 

[cstu]

Dynasty is the most challenging and rewarding format of fantasy football because it encompass all other forms of playing.

When your decisions actually have long term consequences your decisions become meaningful compared to just rolling the dice or acting on a whim.

To use an analogy from the former Dynasty Soundtrack show, Dynasty is chess not checkers or playing the lottery.

I mostly agree with this. But it's worth pointing out that the dynasty format comes with a built in equalizer. Most Gurley/Cooper owners didn't "earn" them this year.

This is a great thing about the FFPC format. The worst record is only guaranteed a top 4 pick. He must then win two straight games to get 1.1. Straight out tanking will not get you Gurley in this format.

Then the actual bad teams stay bad. I prefer a lottery instead of rewarding the #9 team who may have a good team but but just had a string of bad luck.