Arian Foster (1 Viewer)

[tietzjd]

I think we lost track what the title in the thread states.

Arian Foster, 2010 fantasy gold?

This tread is only about how Foster will do the rest of the this year.

 

[Concept Coop]

This post has degenerated into sillyness, as evidenced by the bolded above. Concept Coop, you have a nasty habit of making oustandingly pointless posts in the vain hope of furthering a premise that others are trying to shoot down (I have seen it routinely in the Dynasty Rankings thread as well).Is it really that hard for you to understand that he may view Foster as talented, but not as talented as other players that are not producing as well at the moment? That doesn't mean he needs to believe his situation is shaky, that Ben Tate will challenge his touches, that he is at extreme risk of losing all value, or that he will fall off the face of the earth in the near future. Thinking that foster is being helped by his situation and thinking he is a talented player are absolutely NOT mutually exclusive hypotheses, despite your apparent attempts to say otherwise.

You have a habit of using ambiguous wording in vain:"nasty habit of making oustandingly pointless posts in the vain hope of furthering a premise that others are trying to shoot down"What does that even mean? I support my opinions, that others, like yourself, don't agree with or find pointless? You could just say that. As for the topic:But fantasy football is about numbers, not talent. If you don't think his numbers will change, why does it matter how talented he is? You wouldn't take a more talented player over him, if you think Foster will still score more points. So my question is valid, not that it was directed to you (thanks, though).Here is what you aren't getting: Foster is more subject to the things that I have outlined, because he is less talented than guys like MJD and AP. That doesn't mean he can't be a great player, a great FF player, or anything like that. But he is more risky because good talent is not as universally applicable as elite talent. If you disagree with that, great. Share you opinion as to why. But if you want to generalize, label, or point out my habits, please PM me, or keep it to yourself. Thanks.

 

[Concept Coop]

Edit: I would also like to add that my exact feelings on Foster are up in the air. I believe he is a talented player, but think he is producing above his talent level at the moment. I feel safe in saying he is a top 10 RB. Outside of that, I am not sure. Much of my skepticism resides in a lot of the arguments Concept Coop has brought up (his original premise was solid, but I don't agree with some of the comments he has since made in trying to defend it)- his track record isn't long enough for me to feel comfortable yet.

I don't think he will face any competition for the job next year, but I don't yet feel comfortable saying I KNOW he won't face competition, I don't think the offense is the sole reason for his production, but I don't yet feel comfortable saying I KNOW it isn't the sole reason, etc... There are very few players in the league I would feel comfortable placing in the "I KNOW" catagory -vs- the "I THINK" catagory and Foster has not yet joined that "I KNOW" group. If he is still producing next year, has no reasonable threat of competition, etc... then I will feel more comfortable inching him closer to that "I KNOW" group. However, like almost any player at any position, track record is crucial in determing that comfort level with me (especially when there is a lack of draft pedigree) and I'm not totally sure even another year of high level production will be enough to place him in the "I KNOW" group. Part of the diffiuculty of this hobby is evaluating the non-transcendent talents and figuring out who is purely a product of his situation and who is capable of producing even if the situation becomes less ideal. I am leaning towards Foster being the latter rather than the former, but need to see an awful lot more before I feel comfortable.

You are saying the same things I am. I never said I know those things would happen, just that they could, because - using your very own term - Foster is a non-transcendent talent.

 

[Badgers Fan]

Arian Foster is indeed 2010 fantasy gold. I drafted august 23rd i believe, only a few days before his monster preseason game vs dallas. i got him in the 6th round in both my leagues (Drafted back to back days). I have a juggernaut team to date, but everything looks better with Foster. Going forward I really cant see him falling out of the top 10, from today on out. He has pass catching, td, and running skills. in a great offense that has a pass to keep D's honest, and a great o-line and fullback. whats not to like ? and now with owen daniels geting back, thats another thing for D's to focus on. I expect around 90-100 total yards a game from him, and an average of 2-4 catches and a td per game.

 

[Herm23]

Edit: I would also like to add that my exact feelings on Foster are up in the air. I believe he is a talented player, but think he is producing above his talent level at the moment. I feel safe in saying he is a top 10 RB. Outside of that, I am not sure. Much of my skepticism resides in a lot of the arguments Concept Coop has brought up (his original premise was solid, but I don't agree with some of the comments he has since made in trying to defend it)- his track record isn't long enough for me to feel comfortable yet.

I don't think he will face any competition for the job next year, but I don't yet feel comfortable saying I KNOW he won't face competition, I don't think the offense is the sole reason for his production, but I don't yet feel comfortable saying I KNOW it isn't the sole reason, etc... There are very few players in the league I would feel comfortable placing in the "I KNOW" catagory -vs- the "I THINK" catagory and Foster has not yet joined that "I KNOW" group. If he is still producing next year, has no reasonable threat of competition, etc... then I will feel more comfortable inching him closer to that "I KNOW" group. However, like almost any player at any position, track record is crucial in determing that comfort level with me (especially when there is a lack of draft pedigree) and I'm not totally sure even another year of high level production will be enough to place him in the "I KNOW" group. Part of the diffiuculty of this hobby is evaluating the non-transcendent talents and figuring out who is purely a product of his situation and who is capable of producing even if the situation becomes less ideal. I am leaning towards Foster being the latter rather than the former, but need to see an awful lot more before I feel comfortable.

You are saying the same things I am. I never said I know those things would happen, just that they could, because - using your very own term - Foster is a non-transcendent talent.

I phrased it wrong- my skepticism is the same as yours is what I was intending to get across.I may not like the way you go about positioning your arguments at times (as evidenced by my previous post, which I have since edited as there was no need for me to be harsh), but what you are saying has merit and is, at least in my opinion, mostly correct.

 

[tietzjd]

Arian Foster is indeed 2010 fantasy gold. I drafted august 23rd i believe, only a few days before his monster preseason game vs dallas. i got him in the 6th round in both my leagues (Drafted back to back days). I have a juggernaut team to date, but everything looks better with Foster. Going forward I really cant see him falling out of the top 10, from today on out. He has pass catching, td, and running skills. in a great offense that has a pass to keep D's honest, and a great o-line and fullback. whats not to like ? and now with owen daniels geting back, thats another thing for D's to focus on. I expect around 90-100 total yards a game from him, and an average of 2-4 catches and a td per game.

Man Ward was big factor tonight. 15-100+ and 1 TD 9 catches for 50+Now that's gold in PPR...... Ward... 3 or 4 touches?

 

[Breesisdaman]

Foster is clearly miles ahead of Ward, anyone can see that. Maybe what they meant is Ward will see more touches in Garbage time.

 

[Judge Smails]

I anybody afraid of his remaining schedule? Jets, Ravens, Eagles, Tennesse twice, etc? Looks pretty tough on paper. Seriously thinking of trying to package him in a deal to the Chris Johnson owner, who has a cake schedule by comparison..

 

[Badgers Fan]

I anybody afraid of his remaining schedule? Jets, Ravens, Eagles, Tennesse twice, etc? Looks pretty tough on paper. Seriously thinking of trying to package him in a deal to the Chris Johnson owner, who has a cake schedule by comparison..

Titans allow 4.1 ypc, ravens 4.2, eagles 4.0. Combined, in their 23 games, they have allowed 11tds. Not easy, but not stingy. Hillis crushed the ravens. best crushed the eagles. felix had his best game vs the titans. so each of them are beatable. only the jets are worry-some. but with Fosters high chance of a couple catches and a td every game, he's unbenchable vs any1 except the steelers (id bench any1 vs them, they are rb killers)

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Very interesting and polarizing player. Still.

When he has a great game there is little-to-nothing said, other than some casual comments. But when there is a sub par game, the thread explodes with naysayers and others trying to defend him.

Have to say I expected some "get back" from the pro-Foster side this week, but here we are on Wednesday and not much at all...

 

[Steed]

He's only had 1 subpar game all year. I'd say the AntiFoster guys don't have much to crow about. He's become so good the proFoster guys don't need to say anything, Foster's doing all the talking for them.

 

[Judge Smails]

Any other Foster owners tempted to make a play for CJ? CJ owners - would you bite? What else woud you need?

 

[Shutout]

He's only had 1 subpar game all year. I'd say the AntiFoster guys don't have much to crow about. He's become so good the proFoster guys don't need to say anything, Foster's doing all the talking for them.

That's it in a nutshell... You know the debate has went "game, Set, and Match" when those that were talking him down CAN'T say anything and those of us for him are so confident that we don't feel the need to.

 

[Judge Smails]

Well, luckily I didn't trade him and am riding the Foster train. Hopefully the Ravens are a little banged up and let down a bit vs. the Texans. I imagine he'll get stuffed at the line quite a bit, so he'll need to break past Lewis and company for some big ones, or get it in the passing game. They'll have to respect Schaub/AJ so hopefully Houston can mix it up and keep them off balance

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

In Weeks 16/17 against playoff teams starting their starters, Foster had 2 VERY strong games. He plays for an explosive offense that should only get better. Even with Slaton back next season are we seeing the next Rudi Johnson or Fast Willie Parker taken off of the waiver wire and moving into RB1/RB2 dynasty territory?19-97-1 for a 5.1 average against the Dolphins20-119-2 for a 5.95 average against the PatriotsMix in the fact he seems to be a solid receiving threat and I'm loving having him in the dynasty leagus I snagged him in. You would think with his late season success and Slaton moving back into his original role that the team could focus on other needs and not draft an early RB.

this the best call of all-time?

 

[LHUCKS]

Excellent risk/reward ratio at this point...this is the type of guy that wins you fantasy leagues.

 

[bulger2holt]

Npw that Houston is out of it, will they keep riding Foster ? Or back off a little ? I hate when my players aren't in the playoff picture. I also hate when my players clinch early.

 

[jackdubl]

Npw that Houston is out of it, will they keep riding Foster ? Or back off a little ? I hate when my players aren't in the playoff picture. I also hate when my players clinch early.

As far as Kubiak is concerned, every game is a must win. I wouldn't worry about them being out of the playoff picture.

 

[valhallan]

Where might we expect Arian to fall in a 5 round (no IDP) dynasty rookie/FA draft? Our waiver wire ended before he got added last year.I'm considering pick 2.03 if he's even still there.

This isn't a very deep class, so I would definitely take him that high. Even late first would be reasonable depending on your league setup.

The late first that I didn't trade for Foster keeps laughing at me..

 

[Ariakis]

In Weeks 16/17 against playoff teams starting their starters, Foster had 2 VERY strong games. He plays for an explosive offense that should only get better. Even with Slaton back next season are we seeing the next Rudi Johnson or Fast Willie Parker taken off of the waiver wire and moving into RB1/RB2 dynasty territory?19-97-1 for a 5.1 average against the Dolphins20-119-2 for a 5.95 average against the PatriotsMix in the fact he seems to be a solid receiving threat and I'm loving having him in the dynasty leagus I snagged him in. You would think with his late season success and Slaton moving back into his original role that the team could focus on other needs and not draft an early RB.

this the best call of all-time?

I just can't believe I didn't own him in more leagues than I did but he kept going far above ADP in redrafts.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

What happens when a new coch and Ben Tate arrive next year? Think in terms of NFL, GM, money, etc...

Thoughts?

 

[Ridgelake]

What happens when a new coch and Ben Tate arrive next year? Think in terms of NFL, GM, money, etc...Thoughts?

Not aure how much impact Tate will make. Ward is a legit NFL RB. And he's taking very few carries from Foster.New management might make a huge impact, however. Kubiak clearly likes to have a one horse train. Other coaches might prefer multi backs. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[jsharlan]

Its doubtful Kubiak gets fired, no matter what fans think. Ward won't be a Texan next year. As long as theres no slump from Foster, I would see Tate filling Wards role from this season, maybe with a few more carries if Foster cools from how hot hes been this year.