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spoken like a true nerd.If it wasn't for fantasy football, only his mother would follow him on twitter anyway
spoken like a true nerd.If it wasn't for fantasy football, only his mother would follow him on twitter anyway
Good posts by schleder and goon. Horrible post by meatwad.First, you need to read his post again. He didn't make an analogy between Foster and the drowning baby. The drowning baby was an example he used to explain Kantian ethics. It had nothing to do with Foster at all. Secondly, you make his point by saying Foster is "basically the equivalent of a reality TV star", which simply devalues Foster to being nothing more than a toy for your entertainment, to be easily discarded when broken. Which ultimately justifies Foster's tweet as well. It is a rather sick view of another human being.That is a well thought out, yet poor analogy. You are basically equating somebody pulling a mucsle to a little child drowning. Not the same thing at all. Nobody needs to take a lesson on the value of a human being from Arian Foster, who is basically the equivilant of a reality TV star. I guess if you are one of those do-gooder, everybody's a winner, uber -liberal progressives who faints everytime somebody lets out a fart, the pulled mucsle and subsequent missing of x number of games would cause you to feel deeply for the state of his bruised humanity.Again, I don't think anyone here is even mad at Foster's tweet...we are just pointing out how dumb it was. And it was mind-blowingly dumb.To make a more proper analogy, imagine I am a first first grade teacher and I stub my toe in class. Am I going to quietly grimace and take the pain, or am I going yell out "f^%k!!!!! I stubbed my f*&^&ng toe!!!"?while i can't claim to know what Arian thinks any more than the rest of you do, i've read through this thread and felt obligated to offer my interpretation.i'm a huge fan of his, and i follow him on twitter. when i saw his tweet this morning, i had absolutely no problem with it--and had no idea so many people would be upset by his words. i know philosophy doesn't really belong in a fantasy football thread, but i feel like it might help shed some light on the situation:Immanuel Kant was a german philosopher, and almost all undergraduate philosophy classes at least touch on Kantian ethics. Kant's philosophy was based on the idea that all human beings have value. it didn't matter if you were a rich man or a poor man, an old woman or a young child; every human is valuable just by being a person. one of the central tenets of Kant's philosophy is that we must respect the inherent value of all humans. if you genuinely care about the well-being of another person, you are respecting them as a human (Kant would be happy). but if you care about a person only because that person's well-being will have a positive influence in your life, you are essentially using them as a tool to achieve your own happiness (Kant would be not-so-happy).imagine, if you will, that you see a drowning child. if you jump in the water because you think the parents might reward you for saving his life, you're not respecting the child's value as a human. if you jump in and save the child because a cute girl is watching and you think she'll be impressed and let you get into her pants, you're not respecting the child's value as a human. but if you jump into the water and rescue the child because THERE IS A DROWNING CHILD AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESCUE IT, then you are recognizing the inherent value in his life.so when i read Arian's tweet this morning, i essentially saw two messages."4 those sincerely concerned, I'm doing ok & plan 2 B back by opening day" --> my interpretation of this was: to those of you who respect me as a human, thank you for all of your support. i'm not seriously injured, and should be back by the time the season starts."4 those worried abt your fantasy team, u ppl are sick" --> my interpretation of this was: those of you who view me merely as a tool to your own happiness need to learn the value of a human being.i didn't see anything that implied he disliked fantasy football. i don't remember him saying that he didn't appreciate what fantasy football has done for the league's popularity. it just seems to me that he believes a human's well-being is more valuable than anyone's fantasy football team, which i think is completely reasonable. sorry for the rant, but i just can't believe that so many people have responded so negatively. please feel free to let me know if you feel my interpretation/argument is flawed.#namaste
And that statement right there, doesn't prove exactly what's wrong with "NFL fans"?Ya, if it wasn't for fantasy, I'd have no idea who the leading NFL rusher was last season.That's not a fan, that's just stupidity.The NFL isn't making a penny from that guy, I can assure you of that.I wsa just listening to THE HERD on ESPN Radio. And a guy wrote in an email. "Despite what Arian Foster says in his tweet I care about him as a person and a player. If it wasn't for Fantasy Football I wouldn't even know who he was."
Arian Foster of the Houston Texans doesn't just snap at fantasy football fans — he also had an epic Twitter takedown of ESPN "personality" Colin Cowherd over the weekend. After Cowherd tweeted, "'We really do care about you as a human too. Um,now about that hammy? --signed, everybody," Foster came back with thisid you want to be a critic as a child? Or did your dreams die with your humility?
Agreed. I pray every night at my Arian Foster altar. The man is a true hero and he doesn't deserve to be treated like this. His contribution to humanity is almost unprecedented in modern history.Good posts by schleder and goon. Horrible post by meatwad.First, you need to read his post again. He didn't make an analogy between Foster and the drowning baby. The drowning baby was an example he used to explain Kantian ethics. It had nothing to do with Foster at all. Secondly, you make his point by saying Foster is "basically the equivalent of a reality TV star", which simply devalues Foster to being nothing more than a toy for your entertainment, to be easily discarded when broken. Which ultimately justifies Foster's tweet as well. It is a rather sick view of another human being.That is a well thought out, yet poor analogy. You are basically equating somebody pulling a mucsle to a little child drowning. Not the same thing at all. Nobody needs to take a lesson on the value of a human being from Arian Foster, who is basically the equivilant of a reality TV star. I guess if you are one of those do-gooder, everybody's a winner, uber -liberal progressives who faints everytime somebody lets out a fart, the pulled mucsle and subsequent missing of x number of games would cause you to feel deeply for the state of his bruised humanity.Again, I don't think anyone here is even mad at Foster's tweet...we are just pointing out how dumb it was. And it was mind-blowingly dumb.To make a more proper analogy, imagine I am a first first grade teacher and I stub my toe in class. Am I going to quietly grimace and take the pain, or am I going yell out "f^%k!!!!! I stubbed my f*&^&ng toe!!!"?while i can't claim to know what Arian thinks any more than the rest of you do, i've read through this thread and felt obligated to offer my interpretation.i'm a huge fan of his, and i follow him on twitter. when i saw his tweet this morning, i had absolutely no problem with it--and had no idea so many people would be upset by his words. i know philosophy doesn't really belong in a fantasy football thread, but i feel like it might help shed some light on the situation:Immanuel Kant was a german philosopher, and almost all undergraduate philosophy classes at least touch on Kantian ethics. Kant's philosophy was based on the idea that all human beings have value. it didn't matter if you were a rich man or a poor man, an old woman or a young child; every human is valuable just by being a person. one of the central tenets of Kant's philosophy is that we must respect the inherent value of all humans. if you genuinely care about the well-being of another person, you are respecting them as a human (Kant would be happy). but if you care about a person only because that person's well-being will have a positive influence in your life, you are essentially using them as a tool to achieve your own happiness (Kant would be not-so-happy).imagine, if you will, that you see a drowning child. if you jump in the water because you think the parents might reward you for saving his life, you're not respecting the child's value as a human. if you jump in and save the child because a cute girl is watching and you think she'll be impressed and let you get into her pants, you're not respecting the child's value as a human. but if you jump into the water and rescue the child because THERE IS A DROWNING CHILD AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESCUE IT, then you are recognizing the inherent value in his life.so when i read Arian's tweet this morning, i essentially saw two messages."4 those sincerely concerned, I'm doing ok & plan 2 B back by opening day" --> my interpretation of this was: to those of you who respect me as a human, thank you for all of your support. i'm not seriously injured, and should be back by the time the season starts."4 those worried abt your fantasy team, u ppl are sick" --> my interpretation of this was: those of you who view me merely as a tool to your own happiness need to learn the value of a human being.i didn't see anything that implied he disliked fantasy football. i don't remember him saying that he didn't appreciate what fantasy football has done for the league's popularity. it just seems to me that he believes a human's well-being is more valuable than anyone's fantasy football team, which i think is completely reasonable. sorry for the rant, but i just can't believe that so many people have responded so negatively. please feel free to let me know if you feel my interpretation/argument is flawed.#namaste
No, but he's contributed to the enjoyment/entertainment of millions of people.Which is a hell of a lot more than you or I can say.Agreed. I pray every night at my Arian Foster altar. The man is a true hero and he doesn't deserve to be treated like this. His contribution to humanity is almost unprecedented in modern history.
Arian Foster tweets therefore he is.It was ONE tweet.He isn't making any big deal, we are.It's called "much ado about nothing," or "me thinks she doth protest too much." When someone makes a big deal out of nothing, you start to wonder if there really ISN'T something after all...I have NO idea how you're coming to this conclusion.Kubiak says it's the same injury as last time, but less serious.Foster says the same, and that he'll be back by week 1.SO where does this paranoia come from, exactly?I'm telling you, the fact that he is bent out of shape over this, plus Kubiak's little blurb tells me that he might be in a little bit of a panic.
I don't see why this is so damning. I think I can be a fan of the NFL and play fantasy without having a vested interest in their value as human beings. And by nature of the sport, they are entertainers and they are discarded when broken.Secondly, you make his point by saying Foster is "basically the equivalent of a reality TV star", which simply devalues Foster to being nothing more than a toy for your entertainment, to be easily discarded when broken. Which ultimately justifies Foster's tweet as well. It is a rather sick view of another human being.
I don't give a crap about Arian Foster. He doesn't give a crap about me. Neither of us gives a crap about Paully D. I'm not seeing the problem either.I don't see why this is so damning. I think I can be a fan of the NFL and play fantasy without having a vested interest in their value as human beings. And by nature of the sport, they are entertainers and they are discarded when broken.Secondly, you make his point by saying Foster is "basically the equivalent of a reality TV star", which simply devalues Foster to being nothing more than a toy for your entertainment, to be easily discarded when broken. Which ultimately justifies Foster's tweet as well. It is a rather sick view of another human being.![]()
This.Seems like a lot of #1 pick owners in here.btw there is no way you will stop watching football if you got offended by this, and there is no way McNair or Kubiak would sit him for offending FFL owners, so.....Do you know how many nutjobs are probably tweeting him that he is screwing with their team?
I don't disagree with you. Most of us do this for fun, maybe care too much about FF, but at the end of the day have are own lives and problems to deal with so these guys are just objects of entertaiment to us. That in and of itself is fine and I wouldnt say it's "sick" either.But what some seem to be incapable of seeing is that Arian Foster is speaking from HIS point of view. People are tweeting things like "u better heal quick b/c I drafted you #1", or more aggressive language. From his perspective that is sort of a "sic" or perverse POV. SSOG and others hit on it earlier.I don't think either view is "wrong" or offensive. It's just different perspectives. If you read other stuff Foster has said, it's clear he appreciates fans, and FF, and how they impact his profession. His tweet was likely aimed at a few people who expressed how his injury was negatively affecting them. He probably feels like, "Damn, My hamstring is the one throbbing right now and these dudes are tweeting about how I better heal for their damn FF team." To HIM that seems a little sick and he tweeted it.So what.....let's all move on.I don't see why this is so damning. I think I can be a fan of the NFL and play fantasy without having a vested interest in their value as human beings. And by nature of the sport, they are entertainers and they are discarded when broken.Secondly, you make his point by saying Foster is "basically the equivalent of a reality TV star", which simply devalues Foster to being nothing more than a toy for your entertainment, to be easily discarded when broken. Which ultimately justifies Foster's tweet as well. It is a rather sick view of another human being.![]()
Are you sure it's not going to be a RBBC like some are ridiculously proposing?This.Seems like a lot of #1 pick owners in here.btw there is no way you will stop watching football if you got offended by this, and there is no way McNair or Kubiak would sit him for offending FFL owners, so.....Do you know how many nutjobs are probably tweeting him that he is screwing with their team?
Well lotty #######g da Arian. I've heard Foster speak in interviews before and he's not an idiot. In fact he's a pretty thoughful guy. Maybe to the extent that he doesn't like the idea of millions of nerds having a say in his future. He needs to lash out because he's above it. Whatever guy. I agree that it's silly for anyone to try and contact him on Twitter about his fantasy outlook but I think athletes on Twitter are asking for abuse anyway. I think Foster wants to have his cake, eat it too, and wash it down with a glass of milk.ETA: Apparently we can't say "freaking" with an "ic" now. When did that become taboo?Arian Foster of the Houston Texans doesn't just snap at fantasy football fans he also had an epic Twitter takedown of ESPN "personality" Colin Cowherd over the weekend. After Cowherd tweeted, "'We really do care about you as a human too. Um,now about that hammy? --signed, everybody," Foster came back with thisid you want to be a critic as a child? Or did your dreams die with your humility?
It gets even better:Evan Silva #Texans RB Arian Foster calls hamstring setback "mild." Adds, "I'm on my mother's fantasy team, so I gotta do good." Chad Reuter @ @evansilva So Foster was talking to his mother when ripping on fantasy players?If it wasn't for fantasy football, only his mother would follow him on twitter anyway
Uh,,, no, not at all. The numbers are an honest estimate. Your quote, on the other hand, was most definitely pulled from a "dark smelly place"."Less than 5%" of "people who watch and talk about the NFL every week" play ff?Some of you guys need to get over yourselves. I know a ton of people who watch and talk about the NFL every week and a very small percentage of them play ff. Less than 10% for sure, probably even less than 5%. The NFL was quite popular long before ff became popular, and would get along just fine with or without it. As for Foster's remark, I'm not "offended" by it. Who cares, really? One problem with a "tweet" or any other e-message is we don't really know the tone of the message, so it may have been tongue-in-cheek or otherwise mildly spoken. It only makes sense for fantasy players to be worried about injuries, but if I were a player I doubt I would care about ff. I would probably also say it that way as opposed to calling people "sick", but still, who cares? Seriously. This is a non-issue in my mind.Um, no. He is the jag who opened his trap and called ff players 'sick'. It is a fact that the NFL is in way better shape because of fantasy football than it would be otherwise, as a player he benefits big time.I think you pull these #'s from a dark and smelly place.
I honestly don't think the impact of FF on the NFL's growth is nearly as big as you think it is. But hey, that is just my opinion/estimation. Regardless, people who think they are owed respect from players and coaches because they play ff are sitting a little too high on their horse.me thinks you need to look at the growth of revenue and increased viewing of the nfl over the last 17 years. FFball has had a major impact on a lot of "casual" fans watching and paying attention to football. hardcore fans? they would be there either way. but the sport has grown and to say it has nothing to do with FFball is just silly.Some of you guys need to get over yourselves. I know a ton of people who watch and talk about the NFL every week and a very small percentage of them play ff. Less than 10% for sure, probably even less than 5%. The NFL was quite popular long before ff became popular, and would get along just fine with or without it. As for Foster's remark, I'm not "offended" by it. Who cares, really? One problem with a "tweet" or any other e-message is we don't really know the tone of the message, so it may have been tongue-in-cheek or otherwise mildly spoken. It only makes sense for fantasy players to be worried about injuries, but if I were a player I doubt I would care about ff. I would probably also say it that way as opposed to calling people "sick", but still, who cares? Seriously. This is a non-issue in my mind.Um, no. He is the jag who opened his trap and called ff players 'sick'. It is a fact that the NFL is in way better shape because of fantasy football than it would be otherwise, as a player he benefits big time.
Are you suggesting that playing ff motivates people to do these things? I hardly think so. I suppose it's possible that some high-stakes players sign up for Sunday Ticket, but that would undoubtedly represent a very small (insignificant) number. I actually like this post very much because I think you are helping me make my point. The vast majority of ff players are people who would be NFL fans with or without ff, or people who play in free or low stakes leagues and contribute very little monetarily to the NFL.shall i quote all the posts in this thread referencing salary and revenue? its really all that matters anyway. nfl doesnt care about fans that who hardly contribute, they care about fans that buy tickets, direct-ticket, jerseys, browse nfl.com, etc.
The NFL is making a ton of money from guys like this. You do realize that for every additional hit on NFL.com to check a score, stat line, etc and for every eyeball that watches the game on TV to follow their respective fantasy players, the NFL is able to justify the boatload of money they already get from sponsors. Most of these new fans would never watch these games if it wasn't for fantasy football. Honestly, outside of Houston, who gives a #### about the Texans or Arian Foster if it wasn't for fantasy football. And what irony for Foster to complain about the attention he gets from fantasy fans via Twitter, the ultimate attention getting, please follow my every move, resource of our day.And that statement right there, doesn't prove exactly what's wrong with "NFL fans"?Ya, if it wasn't for fantasy, I'd have no idea who the leading NFL rusher was last season.I wsa just listening to THE HERD on ESPN Radio. And a guy wrote in an email. "Despite what Arian Foster says in his tweet I care about him as a person and a player. If it wasn't for Fantasy Football I wouldn't even know who he was."
That's not a fan, that's just stupidity.
The NFL isn't making a penny from that guy, I can assure you of that.
So let me get this straight... The NFL is cashing in off guys who "wouldn't know who arian foster was if it weren't for fantasy?"I assume you are operating under the thought process that these "uber-fans" are somehow buying jerseys, tickets, sunday ticket etc?The NFL is making a ton of money from guys like this. You do realize that for every additional hit on NFL.com to check a score, stat line, etc and for every eyeball that watches the game on TV to follow their respective fantasy players, the NFL is able to justify the boatload of money they already get from sponsors. Most of these new fans would never watch these games if it wasn't for fantasy football. Honestly, outside of Houston, who gives a #### about the Texans or Arian Foster if it wasn't for fantasy football. And what irony for Foster to complain about the attention he gets from fantasy fans via Twitter, the ultimate attention getting, please follow my every move, resource of our day.And that statement right there, doesn't prove exactly what's wrong with "NFL fans"?Ya, if it wasn't for fantasy, I'd have no idea who the leading NFL rusher was last season.I wsa just listening to THE HERD on ESPN Radio. And a guy wrote in an email. "Despite what Arian Foster says in his tweet I care about him as a person and a player. If it wasn't for Fantasy Football I wouldn't even know who he was."
That's not a fan, that's just stupidity.
The NFL isn't making a penny from that guy, I can assure you of that.
Do you realize that the NFL gets licensing revenue from Yahoo.com fantasy leagues for team logos, etc? You don't need to visit NFL.com for the NFL to get paid.So let me get this straight... The NFL is cashing in off guys who "wouldn't know who arian foster was if it weren't for fantasy?"I assume you are operating under the thought process that these "uber-fans" are somehow buying jerseys, tickets, sunday ticket etc?The NFL is making a ton of money from guys like this. You do realize that for every additional hit on NFL.com to check a score, stat line, etc and for every eyeball that watches the game on TV to follow their respective fantasy players, the NFL is able to justify the boatload of money they already get from sponsors. Most of these new fans would never watch these games if it wasn't for fantasy football. Honestly, outside of Houston, who gives a #### about the Texans or Arian Foster if it wasn't for fantasy football. And what irony for Foster to complain about the attention he gets from fantasy fans via Twitter, the ultimate attention getting, please follow my every move, resource of our day.And that statement right there, doesn't prove exactly what's wrong with "NFL fans"?Ya, if it wasn't for fantasy, I'd have no idea who the leading NFL rusher was last season.I wsa just listening to THE HERD on ESPN Radio. And a guy wrote in an email. "Despite what Arian Foster says in his tweet I care about him as a person and a player. If it wasn't for Fantasy Football I wouldn't even know who he was."
That's not a fan, that's just stupidity.
The NFL isn't making a penny from that guy, I can assure you of that.
If you ask me, these goofs just play fantasy with work buddies, just to say they play and possibly win a few bucks/bragging rights. They aren't buying a damn thing.
Secondly, "every click at nfl.com" .. again, assuming that people are going to NFL.com ---> Personally, as an avid football enthusiast and fantasy player, I MAYBE go to nfl.com once or twice a season, if yahoo is down or I need to verify something. The same for all the guys in my league. We use this site or other, NFL.com is almost useless. (I knwo this isnt the case for everyone, but Im sure it is for many)
Yahoo is far and away "THE" fantasy site, especially for "noobs".
says her son! She should tweet back to him "I brought you into this world and I can take you out of it; now get healthy."Arian Foster's mom is a sick person.
i think you drastically underestimate the amount of ppl who purchase sunday ticket primarily for fantasy purposes.Are you suggesting that playing ff motivates people to do these things? I hardly think so. I suppose it's possible that some high-stakes players sign up for Sunday Ticket, but that would undoubtedly represent a very small (insignificant) number. I actually like this post very much because I think you are helping me make my point. The vast majority of ff players are people who would be NFL fans with or without ff, or people who play in free or low stakes leagues and contribute very little monetarily to the NFL.shall i quote all the posts in this thread referencing salary and revenue? its really all that matters anyway. nfl doesnt care about fans that who hardly contribute, they care about fans that buy tickets, direct-ticket, jerseys, browse nfl.com, etc.
I think Arian Foster also drastically underestimates the total percentage of his Twitter followers that are fantasy players.i think you drastically underestimate the amount of ppl who purchase sunday ticket primarily for fantasy purposes.Are you suggesting that playing ff motivates people to do these things? I hardly think so. I suppose it's possible that some high-stakes players sign up for Sunday Ticket, but that would undoubtedly represent a very small (insignificant) number. I actually like this post very much because I think you are helping me make my point. The vast majority of ff players are people who would be NFL fans with or without ff, or people who play in free or low stakes leagues and contribute very little monetarily to the NFL.shall i quote all the posts in this thread referencing salary and revenue? its really all that matters anyway. nfl doesnt care about fans that who hardly contribute, they care about fans that buy tickets, direct-ticket, jerseys, browse nfl.com, etc.
He's also contributed to the anger and disappointed millions of other people. He was on the other guys team, so he's a jerk to me.No, but he's contributed to the enjoyment/entertainment of millions of people.Which is a hell of a lot more than you or I can say.Agreed. I pray every night at my Arian Foster altar. The man is a true hero and he doesn't deserve to be treated like this. His contribution to humanity is almost unprecedented in modern history.
I've quickly learned that your spelling and sentence structure is on par with a high school degenerate. Yahoo is by far the best, quickest and "cleanest" site IMO for NFL scores. Secondly, I am fully aware of how ad revenue is generated. But since you're obviously so much more knowledgeable on this subject and like to call people out, could you please enlighten me as to how much money Yahoo pays to the NFL to run its fantasy football? And maybe even go that extra mile and tell me how much ESPN, CBS etc pay to run theirs.This thread has taught me that rizzler has 70 year olds for friends who only know how to operate Yahoo, and have little to no idead of how ad revenue works in a modern marketing economy.Proceed.Also, any time someone goes after Colin Blowherd, I'm thrilled.
If it wasn't for fantasy football, only his mother would follow him on twitter anyway
NFL owners and coaches value a game over a human being's health. The NFL is a game. Many NFL players are set for life financially yet play a "game" that destroys their body.Just read this. Kind of interesting.
Monday Foster talked with the Houston press and reiterated his thought in more than 140 characters.
"That’s part of the game but my tweet -- the fact that we’re talking about Twitter is amazing to me; but my tweet got taken out of context. What I was saying was that people that value a digital game over a human being’s health is just kind of weird to me. That’s all that I meant by that. People took it as, oh, I don’t care about fantasy football. I think it’s good for the game; it gets people that don’t really watch into it. I’m on my mother’s fantasy football team, so you know, I got to do good. It got taken out of context. I love all my fans and if you’ve been following me on Twitter, you know kind of person and human being I am and if you know me, you know what kind of human being I am. I try to promote peace, man, because that’s what I’m about.”
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