LHUCKS said:
timschochet said:
Probably the most absurd aspect of this law is the notion, as stated by LHUCKS and others here, that it must be done because the state of Arizona can no longer afford illegal immigrants. Its absurd because, given the extra duties required by policemen (most of whom, according to newspapers, are opposed to the law) the lawsuits from Latino citizens who feel their rights are being infringed, the lawsuits from anti-immigrant groups (provided for in the law) who feel the law is not being correctly enforced, and anyone can see how this bill will end up costing Arizona so much more money which it cannot afford.
Not really. The vast majority of the money will come from the Federal budget.And protecting Arizonans from drug cartels is worth every penny.
So the resouces of the collective should go to fighting the bottom feeding leeches who take more than they give?Because that's pretty much the scenario with pumping federal funds to az to fight this issue.
Um...AZ wouldn't be the ones pressing the legal battle...that would be the liberals.
I tried to post this last night but it didn't take I guess.I'm not referring to the legal battle, which is clearly a case of reaping what you sow, unless you would further like to challenge the constitution and ban things like court appeals and the ACLU, because we all know things would run much more efficiently. And you might also wake up tomorrow in a safer Arizona if you both eliminated the illegals, but then what is left over? What sort of actions would you take against the remaining criminals? It might just make sense to send them ALL back to Mexico, because safety is the name of the game here, can't have the odd rancher getting killed. Better to protect the hypothetical next rancher's rights than those of a population that had formerly been indigenous to the region until the lines of the map got redrawn. But yes, safety, safety at all costs, and lets manage costs while we are at it. You know, to that end you might do well to go to full police state in Arizona and put up a 11pm curfew statewide. I know, I know, this might be extreme, but RANCHERZ ARE DIEING!!!!!!!!1! SAVE THE RANCHERS!!!!!!!!! At almost any cost apparently. I know the focus is on these cartels, and thank god for the media and their levelheaded reporting on this, because, lord knows they aren't a business in the interest of selling what chicken little's like you will be buying. Because its just not good for repeat business to say "Drug Cartels: sad and unfortunate but a fringe end of a problem and not really pervasive" No, that doesn't keep you coming back, but the doom and gloom almost biologically makes you go back the next day to see just how far gone things are and how bad things have gotten.Well here is the real doom and gloom, you can now be searched and demanded to prove who you are at any point, at any time, for any reason, well excuse me, not for any reason, but an reason that our carefully trained Arizona Law Enforcement officers determine, and don't worry about what those reasons are, better us for know and you to find out. But basically, you now have to prove who you are at any point in time. I'm not defending migrants in that sense. They know the score and they roll the dice when they sneak across that border and a tap on the shoulder means homeward bound Jose at any moment. But laws do exist to protect the few. Majority rule in this country would feature:-slavery-child labor-white male votingAmongst other wishes of the majority. Sometimes though, you need to protect those that swim against the tide because of some biological roll of the dice. This law to me affronts directly naturalized and natural born citizens of the United States and Arizona of hispanic descent. I hope they tell these cops to get bent and go to hell when they ask them to prove their immigration status. I'm lucky, I'm a pale face, I won't run into this problem, but I support them when they do.When they run into Arizona's finest, who, are, literally and legitmately recruited from the bathroom wall of Yankee Stadium. Its true. Any mouthbreather at a Yankee game got promised fun in the sun and desert delights if they would go join the Arizona police force. So these "highly trained professionals" are the ones carrying out this law. This law is a greater affront to all of us, however. It's either the first or another, I can't quite tell yet, on a slippery slope to pedaling safety at the cost of your rights. You know Lhucks, we have a lot of money laundering and embezzlement in this country and really to sort it all out, it might make sense to look through everyone's bank accounts and financial records. Yeah, I know its an inconvience, but look, this laundering is really rough stuff, so do you mind, actually, we don't care if you mind, we are going to be looking through your financial records now, you're a great American!Its hard for me to believe this is both the state and the party of Goldwater behind this. The man was not perfect, but he was a man, and this is the law of a coward. Because its really as much about dealing with a supposed invaision and influx of latino culture as it is about any side issues that come with it, and those behind are reluctant with rare exception to admit it. Because if you were so worried about any given point of this problem, you might find much more effective results in :1. shutdown, blackout penalties for those that hire illegals2. shutdown, blackout penalties for those involved in the drug tradeI'll take you at your word Lhucks and assume your intentions are true in this "fight". However, it is really hard to look past your eschewing of the many alternatives and going right for the option that is both the most affronting to the constitution and, well, frankly, racist.
Awesome.
This shouldnt even be debatable.
