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Arizona should cut Lindley and Skelton (1 Viewer)
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Donsmith753
Footballguy
But John Skelton does so much for Fitz fantasy value because at least he's willing to throw it up.
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And start who if they cut both of them
bleachercreacher
Footballguy
Someone like Vince Young can't be as bad as this group could he?
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Direct snapsAnd start who if they cut both of them
G-King will love this...
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Guy is an immature moron with mental issues but he can at least run a bit which should make the defense pause for a moment when he rolls out of the pocket. There is zero possibility he could be worse. And he might actually help them win a few games.
Saint
Footballguy
G-King will love this...
i've never been a big VY fan but bring him, why the hell not.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
How much longer until he's healthy enough to play?
G-King had this to say earlier today:
EBF
Footballguy
There is almost no way that whoever they signed instead could be worse. I'm pretty sure Troy Smith could do better than Skelton. What's Jeff George up to these days? LOL.And start who if they cut both of them
EBF
Footballguy
Kolb is wildly inconsistent with seemingly no ability to sense the pass rush and release the ball in time to avoid monster hits, but he's still miles better than these other jokers. It's actually stunning that Skelton "won" the starting job in the preseason. He is complete trash.
Nucker101
Footballguy
I was impressed by Kolb this season, he did well despite one of the worst offensive lines in the league and had a winning record as the starter. I know that the Cardinals have Fitz, but outside of him they don't exactly have a QB friendly offense/supporting cast. The O-Line gives up a lot of pressure and there is really no run game to be afraid of.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
These guys are 3rd stringers. There is no way either of these guys should be starting in the NFL or even back ups.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
There'll be room for Reid and Vick next year.
EBF
Footballguy
Right. And if they're this bad, why even waste a roster spot on them? They're just a waste of space. Like having Roscoe Parrish on your FF team.
Statorama
Footballguy
Can really see that happening, especially given their obscene pursuit of Manning this last offseason.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Agreed to an extent.You need 3rd stringers, so that is what they should be though whether it is on Arizona or else where.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
As much as I like having possibly the best backup in the league behind Wilson, I'd be ok with raping the Cards to get Flynn over there.
I think Skelton has had enough time with no improvement to prove he is mediocre, but can you really give up on Lindley already? Jaws seemed to think this kid is NFL starter quality in a few years. Maybe he just needs more than a game and a half of experience. Not everyone is on the level of Luck or RG3 right off the bat.
That being said, if I was a cardinals fan, I would want to vomit at the QB situation right now. As a Jets fan I know exactly what they are going through. I can't even watch the games anymore. Absolute torture.
That being said, if I was a cardinals fan, I would want to vomit at the QB situation right now. As a Jets fan I know exactly what they are going through. I can't even watch the games anymore. Absolute torture.
Hi-jack:
Statorama
Footballguy
Wilson really surprised me this year. Kid's a winner, pure and simple. There will be a market for Flynn, regardless of where Vick lands. Kinda think Flynn would fit in great in Minnesota. That's the kind of team you can nab a couple of future #1's from. Bills/Chiefs/Jets/Jags will also be looking at the market for a QB.As much as I like having possibly the best backup in the league behind Wilson, I'd be ok with raping the Cards to get Flynn over there.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I think he's the only one who's truly not surprised. Though he got the call right, I think Carroll handled the situation a little badly. If he saw enough in Wilson to give him the starting job, he should've opened the playbook right away. A few of those early losses were really close and could've been wins if not for conservative playcalling (though giving it to Beast Mode is almost never a bad idea).Wilson really surprised me this year. Kid's a winner, pure and simple. There will be a market for Flynn, regardless of where Vick lands. Kinda think Flynn would fit in great in Minnesota. That's the kind of team you can nab a couple of future #1's from. Bills/Chiefs/Jets/Jags will also be looking at the market for a QB.As much as I like having possibly the best backup in the league behind Wilson, I'd be ok with raping the Cards to get Flynn over there.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Should've asked him who's gonna coach next week.I read on twitter that Whiz was asked by someone in the post game presser who their starting QB would be next week. He asked the questioner 'Do you play?'
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
All it says is Kolb is better than Skelton & Lindley. Congrats? If Kolb won't restructure his $11 million total due next year, he'll be cut in March too (when his roster bonus is due)
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Don't get your hopes up for #1s. Cassell netted a 2 and he was much hotter name at the time then Flynn is now.Wilson really surprised me this year. Kid's a winner, pure and simple. There will be a market for Flynn, regardless of where Vick lands. Kinda think Flynn would fit in great in Minnesota. That's the kind of team you can nab a couple of future #1's from. Bills/Chiefs/Jets/Jags will also be looking at the market for a QB.As much as I like having possibly the best backup in the league behind Wilson, I'd be ok with raping the Cards to get Flynn over there.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Yes, but it's AZ. They wouldn't know how to build a team if it landed on their face.Don't get your hopes up for #1s. Cassell netted a 2 and he was much hotter name at the time then Flynn is now.Wilson really surprised me this year. Kid's a winner, pure and simple. There will be a market for Flynn, regardless of where Vick lands. Kinda think Flynn would fit in great in Minnesota. That's the kind of team you can nab a couple of future #1's from. Bills/Chiefs/Jets/Jags will also be looking at the market for a QB.As much as I like having possibly the best backup in the league behind Wilson, I'd be ok with raping the Cards to get Flynn over there.
Inspiration
Footballguy
If anyone thought Flynn was a franchise QB, they would've have paid him like one last offseason. No one did.Wilson really surprised me this year. Kid's a winner, pure and simple. There will be a market for Flynn, regardless of where Vick lands. Kinda think Flynn would fit in great in Minnesota. That's the kind of team you can nab a couple of future #1's from. Bills/Chiefs/Jets/Jags will also be looking at the market for a QB.As much as I like having possibly the best backup in the league behind Wilson, I'd be ok with raping the Cards to get Flynn over there.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Sea Duck
Footballguy
Who said anything about "franchise QB". We're talking about "competent starting QB" here, not "franchise QB".Several teams thought Flynn could be a competent starting QB, and several still do.If anyone thought Flynn was a franchise QB, they would've have paid him like one last offseason. No one did.Wilson really surprised me this year. Kid's a winner, pure and simple. There will be a market for Flynn, regardless of where Vick lands. Kinda think Flynn would fit in great in Minnesota. That's the kind of team you can nab a couple of future #1's from. Bills/Chiefs/Jets/Jags will also be looking at the market for a QB.As much as I like having possibly the best backup in the league behind Wilson, I'd be ok with raping the Cards to get Flynn over there.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I seriously doubt that any QB could be consistantly productive behind that Oline.
identikit
Footballguy
Inspiration
Footballguy
No team is trading a 1st for a QB they don't believe can become a franchise QB.Who said anything about "franchise QB". We're talking about "competent starting QB" here, not "franchise QB".Several teams thought Flynn could be a competent starting QB, and several still do.If anyone thought Flynn was a franchise QB, they would've have paid him like one last offseason. No one did.Wilson really surprised me this year. Kid's a winner, pure and simple. There will be a market for Flynn, regardless of where Vick lands. Kinda think Flynn would fit in great in Minnesota. That's the kind of team you can nab a couple of future #1's from. Bills/Chiefs/Jets/Jags will also be looking at the market for a QB.As much as I like having possibly the best backup in the league behind Wilson, I'd be ok with raping the Cards to get Flynn over there.
I never understood why Sage Rosenfels never got more run. Yeah, he was older, but he was more than capable of being a Jeff Blake, Gus Frerotte, Jon Kitna type for someone. If I were the Cards, I'd be ringing up Rosenfels, Garrard, and Josh Johnson and holding auditions for the starting job next week.
There is zero possibility that Flynn is the best backup in the league. There is zero possibility he's even the best backup in his own division.
If several teams thought he could be a competent starting QB, how come no one was willing to pay him competent starting QB money?
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Forgot about Alex Smith, so second best.And yes, there was competent starting QB money offered to him, in addition to the one he took.
6.5 mil a year is not the kind of money you offer to a competent starting QB. It's the kind of money you offer to a low-end starting QB, or a guy who is a major risk and who you aren't confident will be a competent starting QB. San Fran gave 8 mil to Alex Smith, despite spending every chance they got trying to replace him. Seattle liked his prospects, but had serious reservations about how good he'd be when given a real job, so they gave him less than $20 million so they wouldn't get Kolb'd. Serious question: outside of guys still on rookie deals, how many starting QBs in the league have contracts worth less than $7 mil per year or $20 mil total? Even Ryan Freaking Fitzpatrick is making $9 mil a year, $62 mil total.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
No. In fact, I'd say it's pretty much the definition of INcompetent. Sanchez is a low-end starter. Gabbert (or Henne) is a low-end starter. If pressed into service, I'd say Kyle Orton would be a low end starter. Again, the only guys in the entire league who make less than Flynn are all either (a) still on their rookie deal, or (b) hired to be backups.
Sea Duck
Footballguy
Alex Smith and Ryan Fitzpatrick >>>>> Sanchez/Gabbert/Henne and probably Orton too.But this has become nothing more than an exercise in masturbation because there's no clear definition of "competent" or "incompetent". You can define anyone you want as "incompetent" to fit your argument, and others will define anyone they want as "competent" to fit their argument.No. In fact, I'd say it's pretty much the definition of INcompetent. Sanchez is a low-end starter. Gabbert (or Henne) is a low-end starter. If pressed into service, I'd say Kyle Orton would be a low end starter.
Alex Smith makes a million and a half more a year. Ryan Fitzpatrick makes 2.5 million more per season. Those contracts suggest that Smith/Fitzpatrick >>> Flynn, too. But fine, let's just forget all talk of competence and return to the final sentence of my last post. The only QBs in the entire NFL who make less than Flynn are either backups or guys on their rookie contract. Flynn's contract is a joke, and the fact that it was the best he could do suggests that NFL front offices did not regard him anywhere near as highly as fantasy football players.Alex Smith and Ryan Fitzpatrick >>>>> Sanchez/Gabbert/Henne and probably Orton too.But this has become nothing more than an exercise in masturbation because there's no clear definition of "competent" or "incompetent". You can define anyone you want as "incompetent" to fit your argument, and others will define anyone they want as "competent" to fit their argument.No. In fact, I'd say it's pretty much the definition of INcompetent. Sanchez is a low-end starter. Gabbert (or Henne) is a low-end starter. If pressed into service, I'd say Kyle Orton would be a low end starter.
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
I guess then it depends on how you're looking at "low end starter" definition. I took it to mean low end of who you'd want as a starter, no low end of who is currently starting. I wouldn't consider Sanchez a low end starter, he's a backup at best.No. In fact, I'd say it's pretty much the definition of INcompetent. Sanchez is a low-end starter. Gabbert (or Henne) is a low-end starter. If pressed into service, I'd say Kyle Orton would be a low end starter. Again, the only guys in the entire league who make less than Flynn are all either (a) still on their rookie deal, or (b) hired to be backups.
