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[Andy Herron]

Could Asante Samuel get a nine-digit deal? A couple of Samuel's fellow Pro Bowlers think so, according to Yahoo.com's Jason Cole.

We all know Nate Clements got an $80 million deal from the 49ers last year.

Under the terms of the one-year tender contract Samuel agreed to before last season, the Patriots can't put the "franchise" tag on him again this year, making him an unrestricted free agent this offseason.

That fact was of keen interest to a number of players in action Sunday at the Pro Bowl. The Denver Broncos' Champ Bailey, once the highest paid cornerback in the league, wants to see what Samuel is offered and accepts. Cornerback Marcus Trufant, who is likely to be franchised by the Seattle Seahawks this month, is interested. Finally, budding star Antonio Cromartie of San Diego, who has the size, speed and skill to be the best of all of them, could be talking to the Chargers about an extension in the next couple of years.

You can add Terence Newman, whose contract is up after next season, to that list.

 

[TheWick]

A 100 Million CB would have made that catch

 

[KoolKat]

I hope not, or else we are going to have to pay Champ more.

 

[Workhorse]

Asante Samuel is a very good player but he's a high risk-high reward type CB. He's not a "shutdown" corner in any sense of the word but he jumps routes and reads QBs as well as any CB in the game. However, there are many instances over the years where Samuel's overagressiveness was worked against him and he's been pretty vulnerable to double moves in the past.

Do you give a player like that a 9 figure deal?

 

[jonessed]

Asante Samuel is a very good player but he's a high risk-high reward type CB. He's not a "shutdown" corner in any sense of the word but he jumps routes and reads QBs as well as any CB in the game. However, there are many instances over the years where Samuel's overagressiveness was worked against him and he's been pretty vulnerable to double moves in the past.Do you give a player like that a 9 figure deal?

No, but someone will pay that anyway. Good corners are really hard to find. With all of the advantages that passing offenses have even mediocre corners are a huge liability against good teams. You can counter with added pressure, but that takes a lot more pieces.I don't think Samuel is in Bailey's league and I don't think he will even be as good as Cromartie next year, but he will get a huge deal just based on timing. The draft is pretty shallow on corners and their aren't many out there for free agency acquisition. Some team trying to make a SB run will pay him big money.SD was quite savvy in bucking the trend last year and going with a risky Cromartie very late in the first. Probably their best pick in what has been a very good run.

 

[JAA]

How did Clements do this year?

 

[Balco]

I am amazed at how much teams will throw at corners. A successful defense is built up front. Spend the $$$ on a d end or d tackle, but not a cornerback. You can be the best corner in the league and it won't matter if there is no pass rush. Look at the Giants secondary and then look at who was rushing the passer.

 

[MAC_32]

I think Trufant's availability may drive Samuel's price down a bit. If Trufant were franchised I could see someone paying Samuel $100 mil+, but with him out there I don't see it happening. Me, I'd rather have Trufant at a 30% discount than Samuel.

 

[Andy Herron]

I think Trufant's availability may drive Samuel's price down a bit. If Trufant were franchised I could see someone paying Samuel $100 mil+, but with him out there I don't see it happening. Me, I'd rather have Trufant at a 30% discount than Samuel.

Good point. I would agree with that. I expect the Seahawks will keep Trufant one way or another.As for Samuel, I would watch for the Jets to make a strong run for him.

 

[MAC_32]

I think Trufant's availability may drive Samuel's price down a bit. If Trufant were franchised I could see someone paying Samuel $100 mil+, but with him out there I don't see it happening. Me, I'd rather have Trufant at a 30% discount than Samuel.

Good point. I would agree with that. I expect the Seahawks will keep Trufant one way or another.

Early rumors indicate that they will be letting him go in large part because they don't feel they have the cash, they plan to franchise kicker Josh Brown. I'm not kidding. I think this is a Hutchinson-esque mistake, but it's what the Hawks front office is indicating. They seem to think Josh Wilson will be an adequate fill-in at CB, I strongly disagree.

 

[Reaper]

I think Trufant's availability may drive Samuel's price down a bit. If Trufant were franchised I could see someone paying Samuel $100 mil+, but with him out there I don't see it happening. Me, I'd rather have Trufant at a 30% discount than Samuel.

Good point. I would agree with that. I expect the Seahawks will keep Trufant one way or another.As for Samuel, I would watch for the Jets to make a strong run for him.

Jeez I hope not at those prices..... That would be incredibly foolish. They have Revis who looks great, decent depth with Justin Miller coming back and MUCH bigger needs than CB.

I doubt you would find a Jets fan anywhere that would want Samuel at that number.

 

[tombonneau]

I am amazed at how much teams will throw at corners. A successful defense is built up front. Spend the $$$ on a d end or d tackle, but not a cornerback. You can be the best corner in the league and it won't matter if there is no pass rush. Look at the Giants secondary and then look at who was rushing the passer.

You're exactly right. The Giants secondary is average at best. Watching the SB, WRs were open all over the place but Brady just didn't have time to throw.A front four who can get to the passer is a secondary's best friend. You're better off giving that money to a guy like Suggs and getting away with average corners.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Watch the Lions give Samuel some absurd contract. This fits matt millens plan perfectly

 

[Buckna]

One thing to remember is that Clements signed an 8 year contract with $22M guaranteed. At 27 when he signed it, I doubt there's any way he sees the last 3 or 4 years of that deal. Samuel will probably get something larger in *total* dollars, but most of that will be backloaded, funny money.

Is Samuel worth $20-$25M guaranteed? I don't know, but if you can spread the signing bonus over a lengthy 7-8 year contract, it may look like a pretty good deal 2 or 3 years from now. Eventually it would need to be reworked before the backloading kicked in, but not until that corner is in his early 30's when he'll likely be cheaper to resign.

 

[Patoons]

I think Trufant's availability may drive Samuel's price down a bit. If Trufant were franchised I could see someone paying Samuel $100 mil+, but with him out there I don't see it happening. Me, I'd rather have Trufant at a 30% discount than Samuel.

Good point. I would agree with that. I expect the Seahawks will keep Trufant one way or another.As for Samuel, I would watch for the Jets to make a strong run for him.

Jeez I hope not at those prices..... That would be incredibly foolish. They have Revis who looks great, decent depth with Justin Miller coming back and MUCH bigger needs than CB.

I doubt you would find a Jets fan anywhere that would want Samuel at that number.

Jets need a CB... Miller hasn't turned at well at all thus far (aside from his return abilities). Poteat as the #2 CB... really?? We need help there.. I do agree on Revis and that Samuel's price may not be worth it.

 

[Tchula]

what are the odds the saints go for him or Trufant so they can dump that overrated David chump? I have to think the secondary is a primary concern this year for them.

 

[Mikey16x]

NY Homer.. but a Giants fan... watching the jets aswell... if he wasn't so expensive, it is a need of the jets. Justin Miller has absolutely no cover skills.. i mean none what so ever... they have no depth at CB. But i agree with the other guy... they have waaaayyy too many holes to fill, no way they drop that much coin at 1 position.

 

[Kiddnets]

I think Trufant's availability may drive Samuel's price down a bit. If Trufant were franchised I could see someone paying Samuel $100 mil+, but with him out there I don't see it happening. Me, I'd rather have Trufant at a 30% discount than Samuel.

Good point. I would agree with that. I expect the Seahawks will keep Trufant one way or another.As for Samuel, I would watch for the Jets to make a strong run for him.

Jeez I hope not at those prices..... That would be incredibly foolish. They have Revis who looks great, decent depth with Justin Miller coming back and MUCH bigger needs than CB.

I doubt you would find a Jets fan anywhere that would want Samuel at that number.

Jets need a CB... Miller hasn't turned at well at all thus far (aside from his return abilities). Poteat as the #2 CB... really?? We need help there.. I do agree on Revis and that Samuel's price may not be worth it.

The JEts will not be able to land a premiere pass rusher like Suggs in FA - so the next best thing is a shiutdown CB to go with Revis/Rhodes to give them one of the best sets of DBs in the league. I would have no problem with Samuel.

 

[Anarchy99]

I think Trufant's availability may drive Samuel's price down a bit. If Trufant were franchised I could see someone paying Samuel $100 mil+, but with him out there I don't see it happening. Me, I'd rather have Trufant at a 30% discount than Samuel.

Good point. I would agree with that. I expect the Seahawks will keep Trufant one way or another.As for Samuel, I would watch for the Jets to make a strong run for him.

Jeez I hope not at those prices..... That would be incredibly foolish. They have Revis who looks great, decent depth with Justin Miller coming back and MUCH bigger needs than CB.

I doubt you would find a Jets fan anywhere that would want Samuel at that number.

Jets need a CB... Miller hasn't turned at well at all thus far (aside from his return abilities). Poteat as the #2 CB... really?? We need help there.. I do agree on Revis and that Samuel's price may not be worth it.

The JEts will not be able to land a premiere pass rusher like Suggs in FA - so the next best thing is a shiutdown CB to go with Revis/Rhodes to give them one of the best sets of DBs in the league. I would have no problem with Samuel.

You do realize that Samuel will cost way more than Suggs (and Suggs will be franchised and not available anyway).

 

[vandyt]

Who on earth cares what the total value of a player's contract is?

Only number that matters is the guaranteed money, and Samuel will likely hit between $25 and $30 mil.

 

[prymetyme25]

This can't be good for San Diego as I see Cromartie as the next Top corner(yes better than Champ) if Samuel is in line for 100 mil, what is AC worth right now?

 

[twitch]

This can't be good for San Diego as I see Cromartie as the next Top corner(yes better than Champ) if Samuel is in line for 100 mil, what is AC worth right now?

Cromartie is quickly becoming the measuring stick. Whatever Samuel gets, AC is going to get more. I cant think of a single CB in the league Id rather have on an island covering a WR for my team right now than that guy. And that opinion would include Champ Bailey. But on the bright side, atleast SD has him 'on the cheap' for atleast 2 more years before he breaks the bank. I wish I could say the same for Samuel. He's as good as gone.

 

[Kiddnets]

I think Trufant's availability may drive Samuel's price down a bit. If Trufant were franchised I could see someone paying Samuel $100 mil+, but with him out there I don't see it happening. Me, I'd rather have Trufant at a 30% discount than Samuel.

Good point. I would agree with that. I expect the Seahawks will keep Trufant one way or another.As for Samuel, I would watch for the Jets to make a strong run for him.

Jeez I hope not at those prices..... That would be incredibly foolish. They have Revis who looks great, decent depth with Justin Miller coming back and MUCH bigger needs than CB.

I doubt you would find a Jets fan anywhere that would want Samuel at that number.

Jets need a CB... Miller hasn't turned at well at all thus far (aside from his return abilities). Poteat as the #2 CB... really?? We need help there.. I do agree on Revis and that Samuel's price may not be worth it.

The JEts will not be able to land a premiere pass rusher like Suggs in FA - so the next best thing is a shiutdown CB to go with Revis/Rhodes to give them one of the best sets of DBs in the league. I would have no problem with Samuel.

You do realize that Samuel will cost way more than Suggs (and Suggs will be franchised and not available anyway).

Thats why I said they "will not" be able to get Suggs - of course Samuel will cost a ton but what preiere FA won't - Jets have a ton of cap room and need an impact player. I would like to see them land Assante and Fanacea

 

[cstu]

Who on earth cares what the total value of a player's contract is?Only number that matters is the guaranteed money, and Samuel will likely hit between $25 and $30 mil.

That's the right way to look at it. If they structure the deal right with low base salaries the first few years then it could work out to about $8 million a year for 5 years. All the backloaded money is irrelevant.

 

[SSOG]

Watch the Lions give Samuel some absurd contract. This fits matt millens plan perfectly

Only if they then switch him to WR and bring in Trent Green to play QB.

 

[dudaman]

I think Trufant's availability may drive Samuel's price down a bit. If Trufant were franchised I could see someone paying Samuel $100 mil+, but with him out there I don't see it happening. Me, I'd rather have Trufant at a 30% discount than Samuel.

As for Samuel, I would watch for the Jets to make a strong run for him.

Aha - the Trojan Horse. Pats know his weaknesses (and there are some) while taking a huge hit on the cap.

 

[Andy Herron]

February 24, 2008, 09:18

DB

Free Agent CB Samuel Seeking $100 Million Deal

Karen Guregian, Boston Herald - http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/footbal...&position=1

Word from the NFL combine last night was that UFA cornerback Asante Samuel is looking for a 10-year, $100 million deal with $30 million guaranteed up front. That would be more than the mega-contract corner Nate Clements (eight years, $80 million with $22 million up front) struck with the 49ers last year.

 

[Balco]

No cornerback is worth that much. You build your defense from the front to the back. I can't see why a team would throw that type of $$$ at a corner. You want to throw big $$$ around, call Albert Haynesworth's agent. He would have a far bigger impact than a cornerback.

 

[Andy Herron]

No cornerback is worth that much. You build your defense from the front to the back. I can't see why a team would throw that type of $$$ at a corner. You want to throw big $$$ around, call Albert Haynesworth's agent. He would have a far bigger impact than a cornerback.

I couldn't disagree more. Top shelf corners are second only to quarterbacks in building any NFL franchise. It's all in the numbers as to how much they are valued.The current single-year franchise tender amounts by position for 2008 are $10.7 million for quarterbacks, $9.5 million for cornerbacks, $8.8 million for defensive ends, $8.1 million for linebackers, $7.8 million for wide receivers, $7.5 million for offensive linemen, $6.5 million for running backs, $6.3 million for defensive tackles, $4.5 million for tight ends, $4.4 million for safeties and $2.6 million for kickers.

 

[Balco]

No cornerback is worth that much. You build your defense from the front to the back. I can't see why a team would throw that type of $$$ at a corner. You want to throw big $$$ around, call Albert Haynesworth's agent. He would have a far bigger impact than a cornerback.

I couldn't disagree more. Top shelf corners are second only to quarterbacks in building any NFL franchise. It's all in the numbers as to how much they are valued.The current single-year franchise tender amounts by position for 2008 are $10.7 million for quarterbacks, $9.5 million for cornerbacks, $8.8 million for defensive ends, $8.1 million for linebackers, $7.8 million for wide receivers, $7.5 million for offensive linemen, $6.5 million for running backs, $6.3 million for defensive tackles, $4.5 million for tight ends, $4.4 million for safeties and $2.6 million for kickers.

Completely disagree. You build your defense from the front four out. If there is any position in the secondary that is important to me, it is SS. Just because a franchise tender is more, in no way means that a cornerback is the most important part of the defense. You build a good D Line, you pressure the qb, less time the secondary needs to cover. You have a good D Line, you force offenses into more 3rd and longs, that makes it easier on the secondary.

 

[Boston]

No cornerback is worth that much. You build your defense from the front to the back. I can't see why a team would throw that type of $$$ at a corner. You want to throw big $$$ around, call Albert Haynesworth's agent. He would have a far bigger impact than a cornerback.

I couldn't disagree more. Top shelf corners are second only to quarterbacks in building any NFL franchise. It's all in the numbers as to how much they are valued.The current single-year franchise tender amounts by position for 2008 are $10.7 million for quarterbacks, $9.5 million for cornerbacks, $8.8 million for defensive ends, $8.1 million for linebackers, $7.8 million for wide receivers, $7.5 million for offensive linemen, $6.5 million for running backs, $6.3 million for defensive tackles, $4.5 million for tight ends, $4.4 million for safeties and $2.6 million for kickers.

Completely disagree. You build your defense from the front four out. If there is any position in the secondary that is important to me, it is SS. Just because a franchise tender is more, in no way means that a cornerback is the most important part of the defense. You build a good D Line, you pressure the qb, less time the secondary needs to cover. You have a good D Line, you force offenses into more 3rd and longs, that makes it easier on the secondary.

Agreed. If you lose in the trenches it really doesn't matter what you have in the secondary. If a QB has tiime to have lunch and make a decision he will eventually find someone open.As for Samuel he will be a big loss for the Pats. He's a very good CB who has made some real big plays over the years and has really taken his game to another level the last two years. That being said if he gets the money he's looking for he will be overpaid. He's not worth that type of money.

 

[Ghost Rider]

No cornerback is worth that much. You build your defense from the front to the back. I can't see why a team would throw that type of $$$ at a corner. You want to throw big $$$ around, call Albert Haynesworth's agent. He would have a far bigger impact than a cornerback.

I couldn't disagree more. Top shelf corners are second only to quarterbacks in building any NFL franchise. It's all in the numbers as to how much they are valued.The current single-year franchise tender amounts by position for 2008 are $10.7 million for quarterbacks, $9.5 million for cornerbacks, $8.8 million for defensive ends, $8.1 million for linebackers, $7.8 million for wide receivers, $7.5 million for offensive linemen, $6.5 million for running backs, $6.3 million for defensive tackles, $4.5 million for tight ends, $4.4 million for safeties and $2.6 million for kickers.

Completely disagree. You build your defense from the front four out. If there is any position in the secondary that is important to me, it is SS. Just because a franchise tender is more, in no way means that a cornerback is the most important part of the defense. You build a good D Line, you pressure the qb, less time the secondary needs to cover. You have a good D Line, you force offenses into more 3rd and longs, that makes it easier on the secondary.

All one needs to do is look at the 2007 Denver Broncos. They had the best CB in the league and another very good CB, and yet their defense was rather crappy. And why? Because they couldn't stop the run or rush the passer. Having a great corner (or even two great corners) doesn't mean squat if you can't get to the QB, because even the best corners can only cover a WR for so long, so if the QB has all day to throw, someone will get open.

 

[jurb26]

Asante Samuel is a very good player but he's a high risk-high reward type CB. He's not a "shutdown" corner in any sense of the word but he jumps routes and reads QBs as well as any CB in the game. However, there are many instances over the years where Samuel's overagressiveness was worked against him and he's been pretty vulnerable to double moves in the past.

Do you give a player like that a 9 figure deal?

No, but someone will pay that anyway. Good corners are really hard to find. With all of the advantages that passing offenses have even mediocre corners are a huge liability against good teams. You can counter with added pressure, but that takes a lot more pieces.I don't think Samuel is in Bailey's league and I don't think he will even be as good as Cromartie next year, but he will get a huge deal just based on timing. The draft is pretty shallow on corners and their aren't many out there for free agency acquisition. Some team trying to make a SB run will pay him big money.

SD was quite savvy in bucking the trend last year and going with a risky Cromartie very late in the first. Probably their best pick in what has been a very good run.

This is totally false.

 

[Andy Herron]

No cornerback is worth that much. You build your defense from the front to the back. I can't see why a team would throw that type of $$$ at a corner. You want to throw big $$$ around, call Albert Haynesworth's agent. He would have a far bigger impact than a cornerback.

I couldn't disagree more. Top shelf corners are second only to quarterbacks in building any NFL franchise. It's all in the numbers as to how much they are valued.The current single-year franchise tender amounts by position for 2008 are $10.7 million for quarterbacks, $9.5 million for cornerbacks, $8.8 million for defensive ends, $8.1 million for linebackers, $7.8 million for wide receivers, $7.5 million for offensive linemen, $6.5 million for running backs, $6.3 million for defensive tackles, $4.5 million for tight ends, $4.4 million for safeties and $2.6 million for kickers.

Completely disagree. You build your defense from the front four out. If there is any position in the secondary that is important to me, it is SS. Just because a franchise tender is more, in no way means that a cornerback is the most important part of the defense. You build a good D Line, you pressure the qb, less time the secondary needs to cover. You have a good D Line, you force offenses into more 3rd and longs, that makes it easier on the secondary.

All one needs to do is look at the 2007 Denver Broncos. They had the best CB in the league and another very good CB, and yet their defense was rather crappy. And why? Because they couldn't stop the run or rush the passer. Having a great corner (or even two great corners) doesn't mean squat if you can't get to the QB, because even the best corners can only cover a WR for so long, so if the QB has all day to throw, someone will get open.

Sorry guys, but in the day and age of the salary cap era, the proof is in the pudding. It's not so much the franchise tender itself, but the collective salaries that produce that number because of the value of the position. Ask any GM or coach, the most athletic player on the field are your corners, because the demands of the position are so high. You can sometimes hide lower-level corners with a good pass rush (Giants-who by the way are seeking CB help), but if you don't, you're cooked. Teams ran on Denver because they couldn't pass. Offense 101.

 

[Balco]

No cornerback is worth that much. You build your defense from the front to the back. I can't see why a team would throw that type of $$$ at a corner. You want to throw big $$$ around, call Albert Haynesworth's agent. He would have a far bigger impact than a cornerback.

I couldn't disagree more. Top shelf corners are second only to quarterbacks in building any NFL franchise. It's all in the numbers as to how much they are valued.The current single-year franchise tender amounts by position for 2008 are $10.7 million for quarterbacks, $9.5 million for cornerbacks, $8.8 million for defensive ends, $8.1 million for linebackers, $7.8 million for wide receivers, $7.5 million for offensive linemen, $6.5 million for running backs, $6.3 million for defensive tackles, $4.5 million for tight ends, $4.4 million for safeties and $2.6 million for kickers.

Completely disagree. You build your defense from the front four out. If there is any position in the secondary that is important to me, it is SS. Just because a franchise tender is more, in no way means that a cornerback is the most important part of the defense. You build a good D Line, you pressure the qb, less time the secondary needs to cover. You have a good D Line, you force offenses into more 3rd and longs, that makes it easier on the secondary.

All one needs to do is look at the 2007 Denver Broncos. They had the best CB in the league and another very good CB, and yet their defense was rather crappy. And why? Because they couldn't stop the run or rush the passer. Having a great corner (or even two great corners) doesn't mean squat if you can't get to the QB, because even the best corners can only cover a WR for so long, so if the QB has all day to throw, someone will get open.

Sorry guys, but in the day and age of the salary cap era, the proof is in the pudding. It's not so much the franchise tender itself, but the collective salaries that produce that number because of the value of the position. Ask any GM or coach, the most athletic player on the field are your corners, because the demands of the position are so high. You can sometimes hide lower-level corners with a good pass rush (Giants-who by the way are seeking CB help), but if you don't, you're cooked. Teams ran on Denver because they couldn't pass. Offense 101.

Wow, I don't think there is a word in here that I agree with. Teams could run and pass on Denver, and that was because of their front four, and to a lesser extent their linebackers. Like I said before, you control the trenches, you force 2nd and 3rd and longs. You also pressure the passer and force them to alter, hurry throws. This helps the db's in a major way. Nobody is arguing that DB's aren't the most athletic players on the field. Many would say their wide receivers are their second most athletic. Would you rather have an franchise wide receiver or quarterback? Give me a Richard Seymour over Asante Samuel any day of the week. The Giants secondary was terrible. But they sure looked good when the Giants D Line was controlling the game, didn't they?

 

[Andy Herron]

No cornerback is worth that much. You build your defense from the front to the back. I can't see why a team would throw that type of $$$ at a corner. You want to throw big $$$ around, call Albert Haynesworth's agent. He would have a far bigger impact than a cornerback.

I couldn't disagree more. Top shelf corners are second only to quarterbacks in building any NFL franchise. It's all in the numbers as to how much they are valued.The current single-year franchise tender amounts by position for 2008 are $10.7 million for quarterbacks, $9.5 million for cornerbacks, $8.8 million for defensive ends, $8.1 million for linebackers, $7.8 million for wide receivers, $7.5 million for offensive linemen, $6.5 million for running backs, $6.3 million for defensive tackles, $4.5 million for tight ends, $4.4 million for safeties and $2.6 million for kickers.

Completely disagree. You build your defense from the front four out. If there is any position in the secondary that is important to me, it is SS. Just because a franchise tender is more, in no way means that a cornerback is the most important part of the defense. You build a good D Line, you pressure the qb, less time the secondary needs to cover. You have a good D Line, you force offenses into more 3rd and longs, that makes it easier on the secondary.

All one needs to do is look at the 2007 Denver Broncos. They had the best CB in the league and another very good CB, and yet their defense was rather crappy. And why? Because they couldn't stop the run or rush the passer. Having a great corner (or even two great corners) doesn't mean squat if you can't get to the QB, because even the best corners can only cover a WR for so long, so if the QB has all day to throw, someone will get open.

Sorry guys, but in the day and age of the salary cap era, the proof is in the pudding. It's not so much the franchise tender itself, but the collective salaries that produce that number because of the value of the position. Ask any GM or coach, the most athletic player on the field are your corners, because the demands of the position are so high. You can sometimes hide lower-level corners with a good pass rush (Giants-who by the way are seeking CB help), but if you don't, you're cooked. Teams ran on Denver because they couldn't pass. Offense 101.

Wow, I don't think there is a word in here that I agree with. Teams could run and pass on Denver, and that was because of their front four, and to a lesser extent their linebackers. Like I said before, you control the trenches, you force 2nd and 3rd and longs. You also pressure the passer and force them to alter, hurry throws. This helps the db's in a major way. Nobody is arguing that DB's aren't the most athletic players on the field. Many would say their wide receivers are their second most athletic. Would you rather have an franchise wide receiver or quarterback? Give me a Richard Seymour over Asante Samuel any day of the week. The Giants secondary was terrible. But they sure looked good when the Giants D Line was controlling the game, didn't they?

Sorry, just had to point that out. It's just funny, not taking a shot at you.

 

[Balco]

No cornerback is worth that much. You build your defense from the front to the back. I can't see why a team would throw that type of $$$ at a corner. You want to throw big $$$ around, call Albert Haynesworth's agent. He would have a far bigger impact than a cornerback.

I couldn't disagree more. Top shelf corners are second only to quarterbacks in building any NFL franchise. It's all in the numbers as to how much they are valued.The current single-year franchise tender amounts by position for 2008 are $10.7 million for quarterbacks, $9.5 million for cornerbacks, $8.8 million for defensive ends, $8.1 million for linebackers, $7.8 million for wide receivers, $7.5 million for offensive linemen, $6.5 million for running backs, $6.3 million for defensive tackles, $4.5 million for tight ends, $4.4 million for safeties and $2.6 million for kickers.

Completely disagree. You build your defense from the front four out. If there is any position in the secondary that is important to me, it is SS. Just because a franchise tender is more, in no way means that a cornerback is the most important part of the defense. You build a good D Line, you pressure the qb, less time the secondary needs to cover. You have a good D Line, you force offenses into more 3rd and longs, that makes it easier on the secondary.

All one needs to do is look at the 2007 Denver Broncos. They had the best CB in the league and another very good CB, and yet their defense was rather crappy. And why? Because they couldn't stop the run or rush the passer. Having a great corner (or even two great corners) doesn't mean squat if you can't get to the QB, because even the best corners can only cover a WR for so long, so if the QB has all day to throw, someone will get open.

Sorry guys, but in the day and age of the salary cap era, the proof is in the pudding. It's not so much the franchise tender itself, but the collective salaries that produce that number because of the value of the position. Ask any GM or coach, the most athletic player on the field are your corners, because the demands of the position are so high. You can sometimes hide lower-level corners with a good pass rush (Giants-who by the way are seeking CB help), but if you don't, you're cooked. Teams ran on Denver because they couldn't pass. Offense 101.

Wow, I don't think there is a word in here that I agree with. Teams could run and pass on Denver, and that was because of their front four, and to a lesser extent their linebackers. Like I said before, you control the trenches, you force 2nd and 3rd and longs. You also pressure the passer and force them to alter, hurry throws. This helps the db's in a major way. Nobody is arguing that DB's aren't the most athletic players on the field. Many would say their wide receivers are their second most athletic. Would you rather have an franchise wide receiver or quarterback? Give me a Richard Seymour over Asante Samuel any day of the week. The Giants secondary was terrible. But they sure looked good when the Giants D Line was controlling the game, didn't they?

Sorry, just had to point that out. It's just funny, not taking a shot at you.

Touche. I just saw that. I guess we do agree that DB's are the most athletic.

 

[Chase Stuart]

No cornerback is worth that much. You build your defense from the front to the back. I can't see why a team would throw that type of $$$ at a corner. You want to throw big $$$ around, call Albert Haynesworth's agent. He would have a far bigger impact than a cornerback.

You might build your defense form the front to the back, but a DT isn't a defensive line and a CB isn't a secondary.A top shelf corner is worth more than a top shelf DT, and I think Samuel is one of the very best in the game. He'll get his $100M.

 

[Chase Stuart]

No cornerback is worth that much. You build your defense from the front to the back. I can't see why a team would throw that type of $$$ at a corner. You want to throw big $$$ around, call Albert Haynesworth's agent. He would have a far bigger impact than a cornerback.

I couldn't disagree more. Top shelf corners are second only to quarterbacks in building any NFL franchise. It's all in the numbers as to how much they are valued.The current single-year franchise tender amounts by position for 2008 are $10.7 million for quarterbacks, $9.5 million for cornerbacks, $8.8 million for defensive ends, $8.1 million for linebackers, $7.8 million for wide receivers, $7.5 million for offensive linemen, $6.5 million for running backs, $6.3 million for defensive tackles, $4.5 million for tight ends, $4.4 million for safeties and $2.6 million for kickers.

Completely disagree. You build your defense from the front four out. If there is any position in the secondary that is important to me, it is SS. Just because a franchise tender is more, in no way means that a cornerback is the most important part of the defense. You build a good D Line, you pressure the qb, less time the secondary needs to cover. You have a good D Line, you force offenses into more 3rd and longs, that makes it easier on the secondary.

All one needs to do is look at the 2007 Denver Broncos. They had the best CB in the league and another very good CB, and yet their defense was rather crappy. And why? Because they couldn't stop the run or rush the passer. Having a great corner (or even two great corners) doesn't mean squat if you can't get to the QB, because even the best corners can only cover a WR for so long, so if the QB has all day to throw, someone will get open.

Do you really think one example is proof of your theory?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Give me a Richard Seymour over Asante Samuel any day of the week.

I'll take Seymour most days of the week. I like my defensive players in uniform.

 

[Balco]

No cornerback is worth that much. You build your defense from the front to the back. I can't see why a team would throw that type of $$$ at a corner. You want to throw big $$$ around, call Albert Haynesworth's agent. He would have a far bigger impact than a cornerback.

You might build your defense form the front to the back, but a DT isn't a defensive line and a CB isn't a secondary.A top shelf corner is worth more than a top shelf DT, and I think Samuel is one of the very best in the game. He'll get his $100M.

Disagree here. Give me a top shelf d end or d tackle over a cornerback. I would take Haynesworth over Samuel this year, and Haynesworth will be alot cheaper.

 

[thayman]

No cornerback is worth that much. You build your defense from the front to the back. I can't see why a team would throw that type of $$$ at a corner. You want to throw big $$$ around, call Albert Haynesworth's agent. He would have a far bigger impact than a cornerback.

I couldn't disagree more. Top shelf corners are second only to quarterbacks in building any NFL franchise. It's all in the numbers as to how much they are valued.The current single-year franchise tender amounts by position for 2008 are $10.7 million for quarterbacks, $9.5 million for cornerbacks, $8.8 million for defensive ends, $8.1 million for linebackers, $7.8 million for wide receivers, $7.5 million for offensive linemen, $6.5 million for running backs, $6.3 million for defensive tackles, $4.5 million for tight ends, $4.4 million for safeties and $2.6 million for kickers.

Completely disagree. You build your defense from the front four out. If there is any position in the secondary that is important to me, it is SS. Just because a franchise tender is more, in no way means that a cornerback is the most important part of the defense. You build a good D Line, you pressure the qb, less time the secondary needs to cover. You have a good D Line, you force offenses into more 3rd and longs, that makes it easier on the secondary.

All one needs to do is look at the 2007 Denver Broncos. They had the best CB in the league and another very good CB, and yet their defense was rather crappy. And why? Because they couldn't stop the run or rush the passer. Having a great corner (or even two great corners) doesn't mean squat if you can't get to the QB, because even the best corners can only cover a WR for so long, so if the QB has all day to throw, someone will get open.

Do you really think one example is proof of your theory?

One example doesn't prove his point, but a great pass rush can cover up the flaws in a mediocre secondary a lot better than a great secondary can cover the flaws of a mediocre pass rush.

 

[Jason Wood]

It's entirely possible that the total value of the deal could be $100mm. Given what Clements earned last year and the inflation we've seen in the salary cap from last season, he will garner a monster contract.

Of course, the only people that care about the total value of a contract are the agent (b/c he can brag about landing a $100mm deal) and the accountants who have to figure out whether each incentive is likely to be earned or not.

Remember Clements "$80mm deal" only had $23mm in guarantees attached. Bob Sanders' extension guaranteed him $20mm this year but the "headline" number was "only" $37.5mm.

I would imagine Samuel will net $28-$30mm in guarantees with a below market salary for the next three seasons and very big escalator salaries beyond that.

 

[saintfool]

from Foxsports (link....)

The asking price for Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel is somewhere between $10 and $11 million per season. The Saints are currently the leader to land Samuel, although that could change. Samuel's price got this high because Atlanta's disgruntled DeAngelo Hall is asking for $10 million. The Giants aren't really interested because they won't pay Hall's price, but there is no doubt Atlanta will trade him for a first-round draft choice.

One the one hand, I'm excited to learn that the Saints might actually go after a top shelf defensive player. On the other, lord almighty, $10+ million a year is a lot of money to spend.

 

[DarabZarrabi]

I think whoever gets Samuel at that top notch amount is going to be disappointed...many feel he is a system corner, who cheated too much to make the big INT...wherever he goes his worth is going to rely heavily on the pass rush. Even Champ and Bly looked mediocre this year with their horrid pass rush

 

[phthalatemagic]

No cornerback is worth that much. You build your defense from the front to the back. I can't see why a team would throw that type of $$$ at a corner. You want to throw big $$$ around, call Albert Haynesworth's agent. He would have a far bigger impact than a cornerback.

I couldn't disagree more. Top shelf corners are second only to quarterbacks in building any NFL franchise. It's all in the numbers as to how much they are valued.The current single-year franchise tender amounts by position for 2008 are $10.7 million for quarterbacks, $9.5 million for cornerbacks, $8.8 million for defensive ends, $8.1 million for linebackers, $7.8 million for wide receivers, $7.5 million for offensive linemen, $6.5 million for running backs, $6.3 million for defensive tackles, $4.5 million for tight ends, $4.4 million for safeties and $2.6 million for kickers.

Completely disagree. You build your defense from the front four out. If there is any position in the secondary that is important to me, it is SS. Just because a franchise tender is more, in no way means that a cornerback is the most important part of the defense. You build a good D Line, you pressure the qb, less time the secondary needs to cover. You have a good D Line, you force offenses into more 3rd and longs, that makes it easier on the secondary.

All one needs to do is look at the 2007 Denver Broncos. They had the best CB in the league and another very good CB, and yet their defense was rather crappy. And why? Because they couldn't stop the run or rush the passer. Having a great corner (or even two great corners) doesn't mean squat if you can't get to the QB, because even the best corners can only cover a WR for so long, so if the QB has all day to throw, someone will get open.

Do you really think one example is proof of your theory?

One example doesn't prove his point, but a great pass rush can cover up the flaws in a mediocre secondary a lot better than a great secondary can cover the flaws of a mediocre pass rush.

Incorrect.

 

[Balco]

No cornerback is worth that much. You build your defense from the front to the back. I can't see why a team would throw that type of $$$ at a corner. You want to throw big $$$ around, call Albert Haynesworth's agent. He would have a far bigger impact than a cornerback.

I couldn't disagree more. Top shelf corners are second only to quarterbacks in building any NFL franchise. It's all in the numbers as to how much they are valued.The current single-year franchise tender amounts by position for 2008 are $10.7 million for quarterbacks, $9.5 million for cornerbacks, $8.8 million for defensive ends, $8.1 million for linebackers, $7.8 million for wide receivers, $7.5 million for offensive linemen, $6.5 million for running backs, $6.3 million for defensive tackles, $4.5 million for tight ends, $4.4 million for safeties and $2.6 million for kickers.

Completely disagree. You build your defense from the front four out. If there is any position in the secondary that is important to me, it is SS. Just because a franchise tender is more, in no way means that a cornerback is the most important part of the defense. You build a good D Line, you pressure the qb, less time the secondary needs to cover. You have a good D Line, you force offenses into more 3rd and longs, that makes it easier on the secondary.

All one needs to do is look at the 2007 Denver Broncos. They had the best CB in the league and another very good CB, and yet their defense was rather crappy. And why? Because they couldn't stop the run or rush the passer. Having a great corner (or even two great corners) doesn't mean squat if you can't get to the QB, because even the best corners can only cover a WR for so long, so if the QB has all day to throw, someone will get open.

Do you really think one example is proof of your theory?

One example doesn't prove his point, but a great pass rush can cover up the flaws in a mediocre secondary a lot better than a great secondary can cover the flaws of a mediocre pass rush.

Incorrect.

Care to elaborate?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Watch the Lions give Samuel some absurd contract. This fits matt millens plan perfectly

Millen has a plan?

 

[thayman]

No cornerback is worth that much. You build your defense from the front to the back. I can't see why a team would throw that type of $$$ at a corner. You want to throw big $$$ around, call Albert Haynesworth's agent. He would have a far bigger impact than a cornerback.

I couldn't disagree more. Top shelf corners are second only to quarterbacks in building any NFL franchise. It's all in the numbers as to how much they are valued.The current single-year franchise tender amounts by position for 2008 are $10.7 million for quarterbacks, $9.5 million for cornerbacks, $8.8 million for defensive ends, $8.1 million for linebackers, $7.8 million for wide receivers, $7.5 million for offensive linemen, $6.5 million for running backs, $6.3 million for defensive tackles, $4.5 million for tight ends, $4.4 million for safeties and $2.6 million for kickers.

Completely disagree. You build your defense from the front four out. If there is any position in the secondary that is important to me, it is SS. Just because a franchise tender is more, in no way means that a cornerback is the most important part of the defense. You build a good D Line, you pressure the qb, less time the secondary needs to cover. You have a good D Line, you force offenses into more 3rd and longs, that makes it easier on the secondary.

All one needs to do is look at the 2007 Denver Broncos. They had the best CB in the league and another very good CB, and yet their defense was rather crappy. And why? Because they couldn't stop the run or rush the passer. Having a great corner (or even two great corners) doesn't mean squat if you can't get to the QB, because even the best corners can only cover a WR for so long, so if the QB has all day to throw, someone will get open.

Do you really think one example is proof of your theory?

One example doesn't prove his point, but a great pass rush can cover up the flaws in a mediocre secondary a lot better than a great secondary can cover the flaws of a mediocre pass rush.

Incorrect.

The NYG mediocre secondary would beg to differ with you.

 

[Andy Herron]

No cornerback is worth that much. You build your defense from the front to the back. I can't see why a team would throw that type of $$$ at a corner. You want to throw big $$$ around, call Albert Haynesworth's agent. He would have a far bigger impact than a cornerback.

I couldn't disagree more. Top shelf corners are second only to quarterbacks in building any NFL franchise. It's all in the numbers as to how much they are valued.The current single-year franchise tender amounts by position for 2008 are $10.7 million for quarterbacks, $9.5 million for cornerbacks, $8.8 million for defensive ends, $8.1 million for linebackers, $7.8 million for wide receivers, $7.5 million for offensive linemen, $6.5 million for running backs, $6.3 million for defensive tackles, $4.5 million for tight ends, $4.4 million for safeties and $2.6 million for kickers.

Completely disagree. You build your defense from the front four out. If there is any position in the secondary that is important to me, it is SS. Just because a franchise tender is more, in no way means that a cornerback is the most important part of the defense. You build a good D Line, you pressure the qb, less time the secondary needs to cover. You have a good D Line, you force offenses into more 3rd and longs, that makes it easier on the secondary.

All one needs to do is look at the 2007 Denver Broncos. They had the best CB in the league and another very good CB, and yet their defense was rather crappy. And why? Because they couldn't stop the run or rush the passer. Having a great corner (or even two great corners) doesn't mean squat if you can't get to the QB, because even the best corners can only cover a WR for so long, so if the QB has all day to throw, someone will get open.

Do you really think one example is proof of your theory?

One example doesn't prove his point, but a great pass rush can cover up the flaws in a mediocre secondary a lot better than a great secondary can cover the flaws of a mediocre pass rush.

Incorrect.

The NYG mediocre secondary would beg to differ with you.

Let me just throw two words out there that would directly correlate with the debate: "Coverage sack."