Assists (BS stat) (1 Viewer)

[DesmondBishop]

I looked for a similar thread but the word "assist" is not good to use on the IDP forum.

So far in the Pitts @ Denver game, Pitts has about 36 tackles and 3 assists and Denver has 28 tackles and 13 assists! WTF?

So the Broncos D guys are that much faster to the ball or is it the Pitts D guys just that much more "sure" tacklers? OR as I am thinking it is a complete BS stat that needs to be kept by an "official" score keeper and not a guy working for the home team.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

someone started a similar thread about the chiefs/jags game. in that game there only 2 total assists handed out. i can't fathom how only 2assists are handed out in a NFL game. my brother is a life long dolphins fan and he'd often tell me Zach Thomas would get 5assists in warmups on the flipside to this

 

[johnnyboy8102]

That Chiefs/Jags thread was my thread.

Being a Ray Lewis owner is frustrating because he NEVER gets any assist tackles. The last 2 games he has been screwed on 8-9 by my count.

And Yes, Zach Thomas would have a 4 solo 11 assist game. I remember those days.

 

[RommelDAK]

On the plus side, at least it is generally something that you can forecast because it's specific to particular stadiums:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=332835

 

[Kal]

I've always found the whole tackle scoring thing weird.

Nothing is checked retrospectively so a lot of the tackle counts are way off ... sometimes player are credited without even being on the field.

Assists is pretty similar, far too much comes at the discretion of a scorer who doesnt recheck his work (I can only imagine how hard a task it is real time).

 

[Jayrod]

I've always found the whole tackle scoring thing weird.Nothing is checked retrospectively so a lot of the tackle counts are way off ... sometimes player are credited without even being on the field.Assists is pretty similar, far too much comes at the discretion of a scorer who doesnt recheck his work (I can only imagine how hard a task it is real time).

With Tivo it should be very easy for someone to set up a more accurate stat service for fantasy football.

 

[johnnyboy8102]

The stadium having something to do with it is so right on.

With Lewis, he had 7 assists at New England but only has 8 more all season in 7 games. Also, in 4 home games he has just 3 assists.

I have watched every Ravens game and I would have to say that out of all my IDPs Lewis gets shafted out of tackles the most often and I'm not talking about adding on the pile plays.

 

[Kal]

I've always found the whole tackle scoring thing weird.Nothing is checked retrospectively so a lot of the tackle counts are way off ... sometimes player are credited without even being on the field.Assists is pretty similar, far too much comes at the discretion of a scorer who doesnt recheck his work (I can only imagine how hard a task it is real time).

With Tivo it should be very easy for someone to set up a more accurate stat service for fantasy football.

Stay tuned I will say we (over at PFF) are proud of our tackle stats and think they're a lot more accurate than what the NFL rightly classes as unofficial tackle counts.

 

[Jene Bramel]

The NFL has acknowledged the differences among assisted tackles between stat crews. Much of it likely has to do with the stat crew's familiarity with the home team. They're usually able, both by sight and number, to recognize players for assisted tackles.

I'd guess that the push for an immediate account of numbers keeps the NFL from reviewing each game for errors and consistency. It really doesn't seem like a stretch to have multiple spotters with a DVR-like function and have one watching the live play and a opne reviewing recent plays where there's difficulty determining who was where.

 

[Liquid Tension]

On the plus side, at least it is generally something that you can forecast because it's specific to particular stadiums:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=332835

in your example, is that correct that Chicago gave out less assists? or is the higher amount more assists? i know you sais stingy/less, but I wanted to confirm

 

[KellysHeroes]

to many times when theres a pile up of players... the MLB or most famous player involved will be credited the tackle.

 

[johnnyboy8102]

to many times when theres a pile up of players... the MLB or most famous player involved will be credited the tackle.

Must not be the case in Baltimore because Lewis has just 3 assists in 4 games.

 

[RommelDAK]

Here's a post where I traced the assists that Curtis Lofton received in NE:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=493331

I swear, he wasn't a factor in half those--not that I'm complaining!

 

[Larry Thomas]

My guess... at times the scorer's may get a little lazy and use the Stadium's public address announcer as a crutch. Been playing with IDP since 1985 and have always watched tackles very close, accuracy has improved over the years, but they still have a ways to go. Us IDP guys could probably do a better job than some of the stat crews out there today. Something we ought to do, have several of us track some games in the playoffs and compare stats.

 

[Chaos Commish]

My guess... at times the scorer's may get a little lazy and use the Stadium's public address announcer as a crutch. Been playing with IDP since 1985 and have always watched tackles very close, accuracy has improved over the years, but they still have a ways to go. Us IDP guys could probably do a better job than some of the stat crews out there today. Something we ought to do, have several of us track some games in the playoffs and compare stats.

I agree but with a little stronger support for the scorers. I've played IDPs since 94 and on several occasions I have gone over the play by play of a recorded game and not found one obvious error. Some controversial decisions by the scorer here and there always happen (assists and half sacks generally the controversy), but I think the complaining in this thread is a little much. Try it sometime. It's pretty fun. Put on a recorded game. Open up the play by play at NFL.com or somewhere you prefer and watch. It's informative to read the next play before it happens and I think it hones your senses a little. I'm not saying tackle scoring is perfect and shouldn't be improved, and I have made similar complaints in the past (Bruschi's assist count was also a joke), so I reduced the value of an assist to a fourth of a tackle instead of half. I would even support a further reduction (.2 so 5 assists = a solo). Still I think assists have enough relevance to be used, and if you scrutinize a few games as I have, you'll probably relax a little over the issue. Maybe. Depends on the game. In fact, just for the halibut, let's do this Thursday's game. Who's with me?

 

[johnnyboy8102]

My guess... at times the scorer's may get a little lazy and use the Stadium's public address announcer as a crutch. Been playing with IDP since 1985 and have always watched tackles very close, accuracy has improved over the years, but they still have a ways to go. Us IDP guys could probably do a better job than some of the stat crews out there today. Something we ought to do, have several of us track some games in the playoffs and compare stats.

I agree but with a little stronger support for the scorers. I've played IDPs since 94 and on several occasions I have gone over the play by play of a recorded game and not found one obvious error. Some controversial decisions by the scorer here and there always happen (assists and half sacks generally the controversy), but I think the complaining in this thread is a little much. Try it sometime. It's pretty fun. Put on a recorded game. Open up the play by play at NFL.com or somewhere you prefer and watch. It's informative to read the next play before it happens and I think it hones your senses a little. I'm not saying tackle scoring is perfect and shouldn't be improved, and I have made similar complaints in the past (Bruschi's assist count was also a joke), so I reduced the value of an assist to a fourth of a tackle instead of half. I would even support a further reduction (.2 so 5 assists = a solo). Still I think assists have enough relevance to be used, and if you scrutinize a few games as I have, you'll probably relax a little over the issue. Maybe. Depends on the game. In fact, just for the halibut, let's do this Thursday's game. Who's with me?

I have also done that on numerous occasions and for the most part the scorer's do a decent job. However, my main complaint is the inconsistency from stadium to stadium. There is no way 30 assists should be given per team in one stadium and then in other games there are none awarded.I have also discussed on this board many times about when commas are used in the play by play or when semicolons are used. Finally, in the case of Lewis it is frustrating when your IDP is clearly the player who is bring the ball carrier to the ground (not jumping on the pile) and didn't even get an assist. It is more frustrating when I see a game in New England, or other stadiums that are very liberal with awarding assists, where I see players do much less and get credit for one.

This may be years of build up for me as I have been a Mike Peterson and Will Witherspoon owner in the past. Watching the scorers for the Rams and Jags in action will make anyone angry!

 

[Larry Thomas]

My guess... at times the scorer's may get a little lazy and use the Stadium's public address announcer as a crutch. Been playing with IDP since 1985 and have always watched tackles very close, accuracy has improved over the years, but they still have a ways to go. Us IDP guys could probably do a better job than some of the stat crews out there today. Something we ought to do, have several of us track some games in the playoffs and compare stats.

I agree but with a little stronger support for the scorers. I've played IDPs since 94 and on several occasions I have gone over the play by play of a recorded game and not found one obvious error. Some controversial decisions by the scorer here and there always happen (assists and half sacks generally the controversy), but I think the complaining in this thread is a little much. Try it sometime. It's pretty fun. Put on a recorded game. Open up the play by play at NFL.com or somewhere you prefer and watch. It's informative to read the next play before it happens and I think it hones your senses a little. I'm not saying tackle scoring is perfect and shouldn't be improved, and I have made similar complaints in the past (Bruschi's assist count was also a joke), so I reduced the value of an assist to a fourth of a tackle instead of half. I would even support a further reduction (.2 so 5 assists = a solo). Still I think assists have enough relevance to be used, and if you scrutinize a few games as I have, you'll probably relax a little over the issue. Maybe. Depends on the game. In fact, just for the halibut, let's do this Thursday's game. Who's with me?

If I'm able to be around for the game... I'm there. The stat crew in San Fran should be about average in terms of awarding assist.I'm with ya CC, most scorers do an excellant good job, it's the consistency across the board, specifically assist. I've never tried that with recorded game and NFL.com, I'll have to do that sometime.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Tonight is one of those games... look at all those assists

 

[johnnyboy8102]

Tonight is one of those games... look at all those assists

Like I have said before this is one of the "semicolon" games in which a lot of plays are awarding 2 assist tackles. Anytime a semicolon is between the 2 player names who made the tackle in the play by play, both players will get assists.

 

[Larry Thomas]

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