Austin Collie (1 Viewer)

[LargeMouthBass]

He had 4 years as an NFL player. I wish him luck in his next career.

MMA perhaps?

 

[rickyg]

He had 4 years as an NFL player. I wish him luck in his next career.

MMA perhaps?

A la Herschel walker

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Ummmm... ricky it was a joke.

 

[KCitons]

Interesting article by Mr Wilson Here. You can see his opinion start to come through, that Collie should retire. Judging from the DR's statements, there are too many unknowns about each concussion and each individual.

The other point that keeps coming up, is the number of concussions that other NFL players have had, yet the seem to fly under the radar.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Are people here really actually going to come down on someone who thinks that it's a strong possibility that a guy with a history of time missed due to serious concussions will be held out of game action by a league that is currently being sued for letting guys with bad concussions play?

Throw out everything you know about players playing through in Troy aikman's playing days. This is a completely different nfl boys. I find it strange that I even feel the need to say this it's so damn obvious. Collie is one big concussion (or small) away from him involuntarily calling it a career.

I find it strange that most people on this board think they are doctors, and are privy to Austin Collie's medical chart. Obviously he is a proceed with caution in redraft leagues at this point. The reality is though that he's had just as many concussions in his career as Greg Jennings, and nobody is putting Jennings on their do not draft list. If Collie truly came in to the Colts facility the day after the game and was feeling great, as his coach suggests, then he's doing a lot better than Jennings did after his latest concussion. Jennings said he spent a lot of his time in quiet, dark rooms trying to get over his headaches.

Honestly, I'm not a doctor, and I doubt I'd understand their charts even if somebody showed them to me. So I don't pretend to know if one is a bigger risk for concussion than the other going forward.

I think it is medically accepted fact that once you have a concussion, you are more likely to get another because it's easier to get another. ETA: I misread about Jennings having same amount. For whatever reason, that hasn't gotten as much publicity. Maybe because Collie's were more severe?

 

[KCitons]

Are people here really actually going to come down on someone who thinks that it's a strong possibility that a guy with a history of time missed due to serious concussions will be held out of game action by a league that is currently being sued for letting guys with bad concussions play?

Throw out everything you know about players playing through in Troy aikman's playing days. This is a completely different nfl boys. I find it strange that I even feel the need to say this it's so damn obvious. Collie is one big concussion (or small) away from him involuntarily calling it a career.

I find it strange that most people on this board think they are doctors, and are privy to Austin Collie's medical chart. Obviously he is a proceed with caution in redraft leagues at this point. The reality is though that he's had just as many concussions in his career as Greg Jennings, and nobody is putting Jennings on their do not draft list. If Collie truly came in to the Colts facility the day after the game and was feeling great, as his coach suggests, then he's doing a lot better than Jennings did after his latest concussion. Jennings said he spent a lot of his time in quiet, dark rooms trying to get over his headaches.

Honestly, I'm not a doctor, and I doubt I'd understand their charts even if somebody showed them to me. So I don't pretend to know if one is a bigger risk for concussion than the other going forward.

I think it is medically accepted fact that once you have a concussion, you are more likely to get another because it's easier to get another. ETA: I misread about Jennings having same amount. For whatever reason, that hasn't gotten as much publicity. Maybe because Collie's were more severe?

This is the part that I have to question. If Jennings can have a multiple concussions from what is obviously less than massive hits (compared to Collie) Then can we make the argument that Collie could have no lasting effects from this latest hit? Since it was not of the same caliber, as the hits that left him lying on the field motionless.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Are people here really actually going to come down on someone who thinks that it's a strong possibility that a guy with a history of time missed due to serious concussions will be held out of game action by a league that is currently being sued for letting guys with bad concussions play?

Throw out everything you know about players playing through in Troy aikman's playing days. This is a completely different nfl boys. I find it strange that I even feel the need to say this it's so damn obvious. Collie is one big concussion (or small) away from him involuntarily calling it a career.

I find it strange that most people on this board think they are doctors, and are privy to Austin Collie's medical chart. Obviously he is a proceed with caution in redraft leagues at this point. The reality is though that he's had just as many concussions in his career as Greg Jennings, and nobody is putting Jennings on their do not draft list. If Collie truly came in to the Colts facility the day after the game and was feeling great, as his coach suggests, then he's doing a lot better than Jennings did after his latest concussion. Jennings said he spent a lot of his time in quiet, dark rooms trying to get over his headaches.

Honestly, I'm not a doctor, and I doubt I'd understand their charts even if somebody showed them to me. So I don't pretend to know if one is a bigger risk for concussion than the other going forward.

I think it is medically accepted fact that once you have a concussion, you are more likely to get another because it's easier to get another. ETA: I misread about Jennings having same amount. For whatever reason, that hasn't gotten as much publicity. Maybe because Collie's were more severe?

I thought Collie had 3. A previous poster said he's had 4. Not sure about that. Either way, team doctors say Jennings has had 3. Point is still the same.

 

[FavreCo]

I have a question for other Collie owners. If you are one of those who say that he should retire, do you keep him on your roster? If you really believe that Collie's life is in danger, shouldn't you drop him from your roster and make sure you are not a contributing factor to his declining health?Of course not.

For the simple reason that Collie is a grown man and can make his own decision. The same way people smoke cigarettes, or eat 2 Big Macs for lunch every day. Everyone says that he should retire before it's too late. But, most of those same people won't drop him or would be ready to scoop him up off the waiver wire the first week he was back in the starting lineup.

I had my trainer perform all the basic concussion tests today; you know: Memory and concentration

Vision

Hearing

Strength and sensation

Balance

Coordination

Reflexes

We've seen worse but yeah he has a concussion and we'll probably let him go with an injury settlement, to big of risk.

Did your doc's press on his mellon to see if it's mushy? Move over Collie, here comes Brazill.

 

[mbuehner]

Here's the thing about the medical consensus... medically most 'average' doctors would tell you to never, ever, no matter what you do, play professional football. Concussion or not. Its obviously not a good idea from a health point of view.

That being the case, the medical consensus on Collie or any concussion victim is to some degree irrelevant. The SPORTS medical opinion is what is valid, specifically the Colts and Collie's doctors. By definition they already accept that football is a danger that has been accepted. This may seem like a subtle difference, but its not. Football isnt a hobby that can be given up, its a livelihood, and like it or not player safety is always going to compete with the amount of money involved in the sport.

Now as the years go by and that equation shifts (more former players showing symptoms of concussion syndrome later in life), OUTSIDE pressure is very likely going to force drastic changes, but that isn't now. For the moment the NFL is making some efforts to keep a lid on the concussion issue, but in my opinion its more about PR than accepting the implications of where the sport is heading on this issue.

Anyway, as far as Collie is concerned the bottom line is that yes, he very well probably shouldn't ever play football again by all civilian medical theory, but that is also not what is going to decide his fate. He could easily start week 1, if that is the sports diagnosis.

 

[KCitons]

Someone earlier in the thread mentioned Troy Aikman. Who knows how many concussions he had and if he will see any side effects. I am still skeptical that ANY Dr. can accurately diagnose long term effects of anything. It seems like every other year the Dr's and Nutritionists are changing their minds about what is and isn't good for us. Also, if the medical profession is so proficient at determining long term effects on people, why do we have so many drugs that have been recalled due to deadly side effects?

I'm not a Doctor, but I compare this to people that smoke cigarettes. I have known people that died in their 60's due to lung cancer. But, I also know other people that are in their 70's and still smokes every day. Both guys smoked their entire life, but due to genetics and other things gave one cancer and the other not. Every Dr is going to tell you that the 70 year old is probably going to get lung cancer if he keeps smoking. The Dr's are just playing the odds and covering their butts. (what's he gonna say, "smoke em, if you got em"?)

With that said, mbuehner is right. This is all about the money. There are numerous jobs that are considered more dangerous than playing in the NFL. And those guys make less than 5% of what an NFL player makes. If smoking cigarettes is considered OK with all the medical studies, I don't see why concussions should cause waves. After all, this is the NFL, America's Favorite Pastime.

 

[HurryUpSundays]

Back in pads and on the field but not taking reps yet. Per Yahoo.

 

[pizzatyme]

I'm wondering even if he plays and plays all 16 games if he has a poor year? I say this because I think there is a chance he is used as the deep decoy to free up the underneath stuff for Wayne and the TEs. Just a thought.

 

[bigunreal]

Greg Jennings has had as many concussions as Collie, and has been dealing with a much more substantial one than Collie's most recent concussion, for the past few weeks. I have not heard a single commentator, or read a single post on a forum, suggesting he should retire. Why hasn't anyone declared that Jennings has to "make the best choice for his family?"

Collie played all 16 games last season. I don't understand the hysteria his very mild concussion is being met with, compared to the collective shrug Jennings' more serious concussion has received.

I'm sure I'll be told there are differences here. I think they are very similar situations.

 

[LittlePhatty]

@ bigunreal, I think it is the severity of the concussions (not the total number), and the total missed playing time. Like Jahvid Best, Collie missed over half a season due to his in 2010. Jennings hasn't missed that much time. Concussion can be measured in degrees of severity. There is more involved than just a yes/no diagnosis.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

I think Collie was knocked out cold in two of his concussions

 

[KCitons]

It doesn't make sense to me for a team (or league) to keep a player from earning a living playing football. There are a lot of things in this world that are dangerous. There are a lot of jobs that have risk. Yet, because someone is willing to do that other job, and risk life and limb, it's completely acceptable. The only thing that the NFL needs to do his have its players sign a waiver.

I compare it to Evil Knievel. He knew the risk, he got paid good money and nobody cared. You don't think a bunch of Dr's didn't try to tell him to stop after his first few crashes?

I'm sure Collie knows the risk. If he wants to continue, who has the right to stop him?

 

[omally]

@ bigunreal, I think it is the severity of the concussions (not the total number), and the total missed playing time. Like Jahvid Best, Collie missed over half a season due to his in 2010. Jennings hasn't missed that much time. Concussion can be measured in degrees of severity. There is more involved than just a yes/no diagnosis.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I'm wondering even if he plays and plays all 16 games if he has a poor year? I say this because I think there is a chance he is used as the deep decoy to free up the underneath stuff for Wayne and the TEs. Just a thought.

He has never been a deep threat so I dont think they would be fooling many defenses

 

[pizzatyme]

I'm wondering even if he plays and plays all 16 games if he has a poor year? I say this because I think there is a chance he is used as the deep decoy to free up the underneath stuff for Wayne and the TEs. Just a thought.

He has never been a deep threat so I dont think they would be fooling many defenses

He's also never played the split end receiver at the pro level. Seems like Pierre Garcon is gone?!

 

[bigunreal]

Collie is a very viable deep threat. In 2010, I believe he had a 70+ yard TD reception. As for playing outside, the only time he was ever permitted to play his natural WR position, the first 4 games of 2010, Collie led the NFL in EVERY receiving category.

 

[VaTerp]

Coach Chuck Pagano said WR Austin Collie (concussions) should be ready for Week 1.It's only been one week since Collie's latest concussion, but the Colts are already calling him "day to day." It's a sign that the team's doctors surprisingly anticipate him being fully cleared before next week. Acting as an every-down receiver before his setback, Collie will now start screaming back up draft boards. He was Andrew Luck's favorite target in the first preseason game.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

Coach Chuck Pagano said WR Austin Collie (concussions) should be ready for Week 1.It's only been one week since Collie's latest concussion, but the Colts are already calling him "day to day." It's a sign that the team's doctors surprisingly anticipate him being fully cleared before next week. Acting as an every-down receiver before his setback, Collie will now start screaming back up draft boards. He was Andrew Luck's favorite target in the first preseason game.

Its so strange how different Collie and Jahvid Best situations are being the same type of injury.

 

[Banger]

Coach Chuck Pagano said WR Austin Collie (concussions) should be ready for Week 1.It's only been one week since Collie's latest concussion, but the Colts are already calling him "day to day." It's a sign that the team's doctors surprisingly anticipate him being fully cleared before next week. Acting as an every-down receiver before his setback, Collie will now start screaming back up draft boards. He was Andrew Luck's favorite target in the first preseason game.

Its so strange how different Collie and Jahvid Best situations are being the same type of injury.

I'm a huge hockey fan and have learned that concussions are a MFer. The come in all varieties and severities and it's hard to tell what will leave a mark and what won't. You are dealing with the brain so every single one matters and every one is different and individuals react differently. Scary stuff.

 

[KCitons]

Coach Chuck Pagano said WR Austin Collie (concussions) should be ready for Week 1.It's only been one week since Collie's latest concussion, but the Colts are already calling him "day to day." It's a sign that the team's doctors surprisingly anticipate him being fully cleared before next week. Acting as an every-down receiver before his setback, Collie will now start screaming back up draft boards. He was Andrew Luck's favorite target in the first preseason game.

Its so strange how different Collie and Jahvid Best situations are being the same type of injury.

You summed it up with one word. Different. Each concussion effects each person differently. I still believe, if you allow medical exams to determine if a player should be kept from playing, then you need to use those same tests to allow a player to play. This is exactly what is/should happen with Collie. And, what is keeping Best from returning in Detroit. One passed, one didn't.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

Coach Chuck Pagano said WR Austin Collie (concussions) should be ready for Week 1.It's only been one week since Collie's latest concussion, but the Colts are already calling him "day to day." It's a sign that the team's doctors surprisingly anticipate him being fully cleared before next week. Acting as an every-down receiver before his setback, Collie will now start screaming back up draft boards. He was Andrew Luck's favorite target in the first preseason game.

Its so strange how different Collie and Jahvid Best situations are being the same type of injury.

I'm a huge hockey fan and have learned that concussions are a MFer. The come in all varieties and severities and it's hard to tell what will leave a mark and what won't. You are dealing with the brain so every single one matters and every one is different and individuals react differently. Scary stuff.

These concussion variances are nothin' to us hockey fans.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

So what is everyone thinking on Collie now? I've seen him undrafted in PPR redrafts, and outright dropped in my main PPR dynasty. He is supposed to be OK to start the season. I think one more concussion and he's done. Until he gets hurt or concussed again, what is his value/what do you project for him?

 

[rickyg]

Took a flier on him in the last Ed of my aug 26th draft. If he plays I think he will be a WR3 with WR1 upside on some weeks.

 

[Warrior]

Collie is a very viable deep threat. In 2010, I believe he had a 70+ yard TD reception. As for playing outside, the only time he was ever permitted to play his natural WR position, the first 4 games of 2010, Collie led the NFL in EVERY receiving category.

Not true...he's not in any way a 'deep threat'...just because he catches a 5 yard pass and runs another 65 yards two years ago doesn't make him a 'viable deep threat'

 

[kutta]

I'm scooping him up wherever I can. If he plays, great. Maybe I get a steal. If he doesn't, no big deal. I cut him after a couple weeks and grab someone else.

 

[Kenny Powers]

So what is everyone thinking on Collie now? I've seen him undrafted in PPR redrafts, and outright dropped in my main PPR dynasty. He is supposed to be OK to start the season. I think one more concussion and he's done. Until he gets hurt or concussed again, what is his value/what do you project for him?

Pretty sure people were saying that before his concussion this preseason as well. You cant really say one way or another.I think he's worth the risk in the 15th round or so, but not earlier. His ADP is beginning of the 13th, and the guys immediately around him are Lafell, Jeffery, and Cobb. Id personally rather have all 3 of them.

 

[letter_j]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5176/austin-collie

Collie returned to practice today and is expected to play this weekend

 

[death of the cool]

picked Collie with my last pick....I think people wrote him off after that preseason hit. Hopefully it leads to good value.

 

[KCitons]

I have a feeling that Collie may be one of those players, that owners will say, helped them win a championship this season. He could be one of those 2 or 3 players that push a team over the edge.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I have a feeling that Collie may be one of those players, that owners will say, helped them win a championship this season. He could be one of those 2 or 3 players that push a team over the edge.

If he is able to stay healthy this will hold true.He will lead the team in receptions and yardage if he plays all 16 games.

 

[KCitons]

OK, now I'm confused. Collie made some statements this morning that bother me. He didn't want to make a definite statement as to if he would play Sunday. If he has been cleared by Dr's and he has practiced all week, why would he make these statements? Is he having second thoughts personally? Is this just gamesmanship, to keep the Bears defense guessing? Is he owed some type of roster bonus if he is active week 1?

I smell something fishy.