Back the Truck Up! (1 Viewer)

[BigSteelThrill]

I am guessing that it mint not be pretty.

The Steelers don't win pretty. They don't ever win on style points. It ain't gonna be pretty no matter what.

 

[Sheriff66]

The reality is that this team was 8-6 and on the verge of being eliminated from the playoffs and then as Rodgers has said thru the media have ripped off 5 in a row when they were on the cusp of elimination. They got hot at the right time but this is far from a dominating team.

The reality is you must not have looked the their point differential this year or the fact they were never down by more than 7 points in any game.Also, The Packers have spent an average of 35:12 minutes per game in the lead compared with an average of 9:44 per game trailing.

They are more dominating than you think.

I am going to second this...it is pretty hard to believe that this guy has watched any Packers games this season if he is thinking this will be an easy win for Pitt, as over the course of EVERY game this season, the pack has either been in a dogfight or has been destroying teams...2 of their losses came in overtime in the middle of the season with almost all of their lbs out including Clay Mathhews for those games, and two of their other losses came with Rodgers out...not to say Pitt did not have injuries, but when they involve an all pro that is significant. I am not saying that the Pack are going to pull it out because I think it will come down to their kicker, but I do not understand how anyone thinks Pitt will win this in a walk or how anyone would feel comfortable to BACK THE TRUCK UP and actually bet money.Also, you do know Pouncy is out, right? I thought it was real funny how they played that out all week, obviously trying to deflect pressure off the goat center who almost cost them the Jets game...we shall see how he holds up against a player who in all seriousness looks like a all pro stud in the making. I am guessing that it mint not be pretty.

Pittsburgh wasn't missing any All-Pro's (this years Defensive MVP)in their lineup this season, no way, not them. Let's just forget the game and hand the Lombardi to the Packers, they have this game all sewn up on paper...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I have little to say in response to the Packer Backers. As I said in the OP I wish no ill will on them, and I will happily eat crow if the Steelers lose, more than happy to say guess I was wrong...but as usual people read what they want to read and needle away at things that have very little impact on Sunday.

Pittsburgh is 1 game away from creating a new dynasty with 3 trophies inside of 6 years, while the Packers were 1 game from elimination in week 15.

I also find it humorous that people are making excuses for the Packers getting to 8-6...how did Pittsburgh do when Big Ben was out 4 games because thye must have fallen apart right? I think the Steelers are the much tougher team and Harrison plus Polamalu will gladly take whatever fines get handed their way on Sunday. Pittsburgh will force their will on Green Bay (Insert Big Ben joke) and I think the Packers have had a fairly easy go of it. Atlanta showed that 14-2 record was a little misleading and they weren't nearly as tough as what Pitt will be this Sunday, not sure the Bears were close to any of the top teams I named off in the OP.

I know Green Bay fans want to turn this into a 1 up fest, it's understandable but I don't feel it serves much purpose so I'll pass. I laid out my reasoning in the OP, it's not my obligation to keep coming back over the top. Any stat or record can get twisted around, there is no twisting of the recrods I wrote about, the SB rings, and the major advantage the Steelers have in Super Bowl experience. Montana was 4-0, Aikman 3-0, Bradshaw 4-0, Brady was 3-0 until he met the Giants after going 18-0 to that point. I feel Ben will join those ranks this coming weekend. I hope it's a great game, I didn't call for a blowout, in fact I have GB ahead early and then either slightly behind or tied at the half. I feel that Pittsburgh will make adjustments, I like the coaching staff much better for Pittsburgh and I'm not a fan of Mike McCarthy, something I should have discussed perhaps a little more in depth but he is one of the worst in clock management in the league. I feel the Steelers will wear them down and have a decent lead going into the 4th.

Truly, good lack Packerfans, I've never been anti-GB, I just feel that Pittsburgh will reign supreme on Sunday. When you feel a team is better and you can get points you Back the Truck Up!!!

 

[Stillers Jr.]

Back the Truck Up!!!

Amen Brotha....Amen!

 

[Stillers Jr.]

, obviously trying to deflect pressure off the goat center who almost cost them the Jets game

You do realize Legursky went in for Pouncey when it was 0-0 RIGHT???What "Goat" center are you referring to???

 

[Tickle Monster]

I think I'll go with this prediction I saw somewhere else

packerpacker -3packer stellers under 45

 

[Stillers Jr.]

I think I'll go with this prediction I saw somewhere else

packerpacker -3packer stellers under 45

Good for you, post how much you wager. That will make a difference in all of our lives.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I think I'll go with this prediction I saw somewhere else

packerpacker -3packer stellers under 45

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I think I'll go with this prediction I saw somewhere else

packerpacker -3packer stellers under 45

Good for you, post how much you wager. That will make a difference in all of our lives.

Why not wait till Sunday night and ask him how much he won? Bump this thread on Sunday Night. Whole lot of crow served in here. Back that mofo truck up!Packers -3 is

 

[rzrback77]

Pittsburgh is 1 game away from creating a new dynasty with 3 trophies inside of 6 years, while the Packers were 1 game from elimination in week 15.

A few years ago, the Giants crawled into the playoffs and were huge underdogs to the Pats and yet they overcame. This time the teams are very equal and despite the Packers bein the sixth seed, they are favored by 2.5 against the Steelers.I see a very close game, going either way. I do not expect either team to have a double digit lead in the 4th quarter. I see no way this would b e considered a slam dunk bet either way.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

it will be close, ##### nozzle's be damned....MAY THE BEST TEAM WIN>

 

[Ookie Pringle]

I have little to say in response to the Packer Backers. As I said in the OP I wish no ill will on them, and I will happily eat crow if the Steelers lose, more than happy to say guess I was wrong...but as usual people read what they want to read and needle away at things that have very little impact on Sunday.

Do you want to address your claim GB wasn't a dominant team despite what info has been posted here?

 

[Ookie Pringle]

The reality is that this team was 8-6 and on the verge of being eliminated from the playoffs and then as Rodgers has said thru the media have ripped off 5 in a row when they were on the cusp of elimination. They got hot at the right time but this is far from a dominating team.

The reality is you must not have looked the their point differential this year or the fact they were never down by more than 7 points in any game.Also, The Packers have spent an average of 35:12 minutes per game in the lead compared with an average of 9:44 per game trailing.

They are more dominating than you think.

I am going to second this...it is pretty hard to believe that this guy has watched any Packers games this season if he is thinking this will be an easy win for Pitt, as over the course of EVERY game this season, the pack has either been in a dogfight or has been destroying teams...2 of their losses came in overtime in the middle of the season with almost all of their lbs out including Clay Mathhews for those games, and two of their other losses came with Rodgers out...not to say Pitt did not have injuries, but when they involve an all pro that is significant. I am not saying that the Pack are going to pull it out because I think it will come down to their kicker, but I do not understand how anyone thinks Pitt will win this in a walk or how anyone would feel comfortable to BACK THE TRUCK UP and actually bet money.

 

[meatwad1]

The reality is that this team was 8-6 and on the verge of being eliminated from the playoffs and then as Rodgers has said thru the media have ripped off 5 in a row when they were on the cusp of elimination. They got hot at the right time but this is far from a dominating team.

The reality is you must not have looked the their point differential this year or the fact they were never down by more than 7 points in any game.Also, The Packers have spent an average of 35:12 minutes per game in the lead compared with an average of 9:44 per game trailing.

They are more dominating than you think.

I am going to second this...it is pretty hard to believe that this guy has watched any Packers games this season if he is thinking this will be an easy win for Pitt, as over the course of EVERY game this season, the pack has either been in a dogfight or has been destroying teams...2 of their losses came in overtime in the middle of the season with almost all of their lbs out including Clay Mathhews for those games, and two of their other losses came with Rodgers out...not to say Pitt did not have injuries, but when they involve an all pro that is significant. I am not saying that the Pack are going to pull it out because I think it will come down to their kicker, but I do not understand how anyone thinks Pitt will win this in a walk or how anyone would feel comfortable to BACK THE TRUCK UP and actually bet money.Also, you do know Pouncy is out, right? I thought it was real funny how they played that out all week, obviously trying to deflect pressure off the goat center who almost cost them the Jets game...we shall see how he holds up against a player who in all seriousness looks like a all pro stud in the making. I am guessing that it mint not be pretty.

Pittsburgh wasn't missing any All-Pro's (this years Defensive MVP)in their lineup this season, no way, not them. Let's just forget the game and hand the Lombardi to the Packers, they have this game all sewn up on paper...

Dude, if you read my post carefully you would see that I am certainly conceding this will be a tough game...Pitt is a great team and this will most likely be a close game. However, the title of this thread is BACK THE TRUCK UP! I am sorry, but I am going to call shenanagains here and put my two cents in. MOPs analysis here is beyond faulty and short sighted, in my opinion. By all means, if you think he is right, you should lay down $5000 or more. My guess is that once you analyze the Packers body of work including the many games where they flat out humiliated teams and the tough games they took when their backs were against the wall, you will probably pass on 'Backing UP THE TRUCK.....

 

[meatwad1]

, obviously trying to deflect pressure off the goat center who almost cost them the Jets game

You do realize Legursky went in for Pouncey when it was 0-0 RIGHT???What "Goat" center are you referring to???

I am talking about the dude who folded under pressure once the Jets turned up the heat in the 2nd half. That is who I am talking about. Why else would they play their stupid game of guessing whether Pouncy was going to play? The dude has a high ankle sprain... that is a 4 weeker minimum and he could have been "called" out right away...the only reason he was not was because they did not want all the attention messing with Legursky's fraigile ego. I predict that he will be eaten alive by Raji/Pickett/Jenkins. The only problem with this is that Rothlesberger is a vertible expert at pulling ##### out of his ### and spinning it into golden touchdowns. Believe me, I am Packer fan, tried and true, but also a many time Roth owner...I am aware of his many talents, that is why I think this game will go either way.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

, obviously trying to deflect pressure off the goat center who almost cost them the Jets game

You do realize Legursky went in for Pouncey when it was 0-0 RIGHT???What "Goat" center are you referring to???

I am talking about the dude who folded under pressure once the Jets turned up the heat in the 2nd half. That is who I am talking about.

Oh the guy in the 2nd half??**** YOU!

 

[meatwad1]

At the very least, I think we can all agree that it is pretty awesome that we are able to have this debate right now...I mean, if some people got there way, we would have just skipped the playoffs and had the championship (ATL vs. NE) right away.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

At the very least, I think we can all agree that it is pretty awesome that we are able to have this debate right now...I mean, if some people got there way, we would have just skipped the playoffs and had the championship (ATL vs. NE) right away.

Seriously, WTF are you talking about????

 

[Sarnoff]

Pretty shoddy analysis by the OP.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Pretty shoddy analysis by the OP.

Anxious to get your take

 

[Ghost Rider]

I think the Packers have had a fairly easy go of it.

Yeah, five straight wins over teams with 10 wins or more, the last three of which were on the road, and all of which were must-wins, is usually considered a fairly easy go of it.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

I think the Packers have had a fairly easy go of it.

Yeah, five straight wins over teams with 10 wins or more, the last three of which were on the road, and all of which were must-wins, is usually considered a fairly easy go of it.

I'd say they're due for a loss? Don't you???

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Pretty shoddy analysis by the OP.

Anxious to get your take

I think he just gave it.I'll take the Steelers and the points as well, and I do think experience plays a role. They've experienced all of this just a couple of years ago. That counts for something, and in such an evenly-matched game, I think it could help them get off to a stronger start out of the gate.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I think the Packers have had a fairly easy go of it.

Yeah, five straight wins over teams with 10 wins or more, the last three of which were on the road, and all of which were must-wins, is usually considered a fairly easy go of it.

I'd say they're due for a loss? Don't you???

Nope. If they lose this Sunday, it will be because the Steelers outplayed them, not because they were due for a loss.

 

[Sarnoff]

Pretty shoddy analysis by the OP.

Anxious to get your take

GB & the over. Why? Because I said so.

 

[Jersey35]

Pretty shoddy analysis by the OP.

Anxious to get your take

GB & the over. Why? Because I said so.

I noticed you were the last poster in this thread, so I clicked on it because I was curious. Given your thread on improving the playoffs, I wondered if you had anything better to offer on a more legitimate topic. I see now that you don't.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Yudkin exposes MoP's shoddy analysis before he could get like 15 views...classic!

 

[baboons]

I don't understand why the Packers lose by 10 when they've not trailed anyone by more than seven all year. Are Pittsburgh that much better than the Bears, Jets, Pats, Falcons?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I like Pittsburgh to win. I think they're slightly more balanced than GB. I think either team can win but GB is more dependent on the play of Rodgers than Pittsburgh is of Ben. If GB wins and Rodgers is not MVP I'd be shocked.

If Pittsburgh wins and Ben is not MVP, I wouldn't raise an eyebrow.

Pittsburgh 24. Green Bay 20

 

[bucksoh]

Pittsburgh 24. Green Bay 14

 

[GridironMenace]

I don't understand why the Packers lose by 10 when they've not trailed anyone by more than seven all year. Are Pittsburgh that much better than the Bears, Jets, Pats, Falcons?

YES, no, no, yes

 

[Shermanator]

Why do you have to always use History and Facts to prove that your correct?

I guess I should just stand idly by and let MOP continue on with his "when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor" speech.

Germans?...Forget it, he's rolling.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

The two best passing offenses the Steelers faced all year were NO (#3) and NE (#11). Their secondary was shredded by both teams in losses. Brady and Brees combined for 655 yards passing and 5 TDs, to go along with 59 points.

Actually the Steelers have played 11 of their 18 games this year against worst 12 passing offenses in the league. To their credit they are 9-2 in these games.

I think the biggest mismatch in the game is the Steelers run D vs the Packers rush offense. Steelers will almost certainly dominate this phase of the game. The next biggest mismatches are the Packers passing offense vs the Steelers secondary, and the Packers pass rush vs the Steelers oline.

I may be a homer, but I just don't think the Steelers secondary will be able to hold up, especially on a fast track. Combine that with enough pressure on Roethlisberger for him to make some mistakes, or just fail to convert 3rd downs, and I like the Pack to win and cover.

Packers 31

Steelers 17

 

[apalmer]

Almost half the teams in the past decade had very little track record of winning and several of them beat teams that had recently won Super Bowls.

So, you're saying most of the time the more experienced team wins?

If you want to "go there," on several occasions BOTH teams haven't been there or won before, but I left those out. So feel free to add in the Colts vs the Bears, the Steelers vs the Seahawks, the Rams vs the Titans, and the Packers vs. the Patriots. You can also add the Broncos beating the Packers to the "been there" and lost category.Since 1996 (15 years counting this SB), the "new" teams winning were GB, DEN, STL, BAL, NE, TB, PIT, IND, NYG, and NO (10 wins) compared to "been there" teams winning of DEN, NE, NE, PIT (4 wins).

Actually, my post was tongue-in-cheek. I assume your response to it is as well, since games where neither team has experience has absolutely zero relevance to the issue of whether the more experienced team has an advantage.

 

[Sarnoff]

I noticed you were the last poster in this thread, so I clicked on it because I was curious. Given your thread on improving the playoffs, I wondered if you had anything better to offer on a more legitimate topic. I see now that you don't.

Looks like I have my very own stalker. Awesome.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

The Miami Dolphins had shredded everyone when they went to face San Fran in 1984. Buffalo had torn thru everyone when they went to face Dallas in the Super Bowl in the early 90s. Elway the 1st 3 times out in the 80s.

Pittsburgh won it as a 6 seed but they faced Seattle which proved they were a fluke. Oakland win as a wildcard in 1980 against the Eagles? Philly took a long long time to make it back to a Super Bowl.

The quality of Pittsburgh compared to Seattle or circa '80 Philly is obvious. How often has a dyasty like team lost a Super Bowl where that game was what stood between them and greatness? Not often.

Wonder what the Steelers players think about being underdogs for once? If I were GB I wouldn't feel good about being the favorite, much rather have been the 3 point underdog.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Teams with 6 losses that have won a Super Bowl in the last 45 years...

1988 San Fran 49ers

2007 NY Giants

 

[guavapure]

Around the third line or so you say the bolts never made the super bowl. Stan humphries down?

 

[Limp Ditka]

Teams with 6 losses that have won a Super Bowl in the last 45 years...1988 San Fran 49ers2007 NY Giants

MOP - How many 6 loss teams have played in the Super Bowl?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Around the third line or so you say the bolts never made the super bowl. Stan humphries down?

If you go back and reread it you can see that I am talking about the years from 2000-present. San Diego in fact more from 2004-present. I was simply showing the AFC dominance of a few teams over the past 10 years. It reminds me of Miami, Pittsburgh, and Oakland in the 1970s, San Fran, Wash, NYG, and Dallas in the 80s to mid 90s, we have these eras in football. I understand Packerfans coming in here and giving me the business, but mostly that hasn't been the case. It looks like a lot of independent fans or fans of other teams have taken quite a position on the Packers.

 

[newteech]

I see this happening much like the Superbowl of a few years ago. Steelers defense stifles the high-powered passing offense of the Cardinals Packers for most of the game until Rodgers gets hot near the end and pulls his team ahead.

Steelers once again pull off some miracle BS on the final drive with a lucky end zone catch by Santonio Holmes Mike Wallace.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Time to go over what I think about the Super Bowl this weekend.

Pittsburgh is part of a dynasty of about 4-5 teams in the AFC that have dominated the NFL landscape for the last 10+ years. These teams are always pretty good, always in the playoffs, and almost always in the Super Bowl and tend to win those games although many of them were quite close. Those teams include New England, Indianapolis, Baltimore, and the San Diego Chargers. The Bolts never went to a Super Bowl but they are 76-36 since 2004. Baltimore has 104 wins since 2000, 1 Super Bowl ring, and they play in the same division as Pittsburgh. The Colts are 138-54 over the past 12 seasons with 2 Super Bowl trips and 1 ring. And finally the Patriots are 121-39 since 2001 with 4 trips to the Super Bowl and 3 rings to show for it as well as going perfect in the 2007 regular season. Add all that up and you have a very tough division and conference that Pittsburgh must navigate thru on a yearly basis. And they themselves have complied a 106-59 record over the last 10 years with 2 Super Bowl rings and this year making their 3rd trip inside of 6 years to the big game. Why do I emphasize this you ask?

Because when you go thru the history of the NFL and you look at teams in the 70s like Miami, Pitt, and Oakland which all won Super Bowls and you look at the competition they had to go thru with each other, it made them all stronger. Go to the 80s thru the mid-90s and it becomes the SF 49ers, Washington Redskins, NY Giants, and the Dallas Cowboys…they pushed each other to greatness. They had to be dominant to beat out the other teams in their conferences just to get to the Super Bowl.

I don’t really care to get in depth about the Steelers defense and the spread offense and the match up or headache it creates. I have seen the Green Bay Packers before in the Super Bowl and it includes teams like the Minnesota Vikings in the 70s, The Dan Marino Miami Dolphins of the 80s, the Buffalo Bills in the 90s, the point is I have seen this system or heralded type team before. Fans, media, and yes even this board has Aaron Rodgers on the brain and thinks he can win the game almost by himself; he’s the difference for this betting line right now. People are pointing to a game in the regular season last year or the year before and I just don’t think it makes a bit of difference this coming weekend.

Another key stat to me is that Pittsburgh has 38 players on their roster that have played in a Super Bowl before, and Green Bay has 2. There are clear examples of teams that didn’t have a lot of playoff or Super Bowl experience that were able to win a Super Bowl, I get that. But it makes a difference for a team like Pittsburgh.

Along the way this past decade we have seen a couple hiccups like the Giants in 2007 and New Orleans last year beating a veteran team like Indy but I think everyone agrees that coaching made a big difference and why Indy didn’t win it again last season when they stopped playing after starting 14-0 or whatever…you don’t put the brakes on something like that. I believe if Green Bay were to win this game it would be an upset despite the point spread.

Please let me say to the Green Bay Nation and some of the great posters we have on this board…don’t feel like you need to plaster a lot of stats on the season or convince me how good Rodgers is, or defend your Packers, I’ve been watching the playoffs and I understand. The reality is that this team was 8-6 and on the verge of being eliminated from the playoffs and then as Rodgers has said thru the media have ripped off 5 in a row when they were on the cusp of elimination. They got hot at the right time but this is far from a dominating team. I think they will be good for years to come, have a strong nucleus but the reality is they are not operating at 100%. They have no TE to hurt the Steelers with, they are not rolling the same quality of RB as Mendenhall out there; they simply are not. Anyone know btw who Mendenhall’s OC coached about 2 decades ago? I saw Mendenhall really attack the defenses in the playoffs and his OC was the RB coach for the KC Chiefs in the Christian Okoye era and I swear you could see a little Nigerian nightmare out there the past couple weeks. James Starks is a nice story but Mendenhall is a huge advantage in the running game.

I expect a war whether Green Bay wants it or not. I expect Pittsburgh to shut the running game off almost completely for Green Bay. If the Packers muster 60 yards rushing I would be surprised. Once the game turns into Rodgers dropping back all the time the Steelers will smell blood in the water and bring the house. Rodgers will not have time to progress thru his reads and I think the game will become very one sided once that happens. Pittsburgh has won 2 Super Bowls by pretty close margins. I can understand why folks feel this game will be close but I expect Pittsburgh to be ahead by double digits come the 2nd half going into the 4th Q.

The game will open with both teams trying to figure the other one out and sort of like jabs in a heavyweight fight. I expect Green Bay to get a little lucky and create a big play fairly early in the game. I’ll say 7-3 Green Bay after the 1st Q. The 2nd Q Pittsburgh will get the upper hand and Green Bay will manage a FG so we have a 13-10 score at the half. The 3rd Q I expect Pittsburgh to dominate and I see something like 27-13 entering the 4th Q. In the 4th Green Bay will score a TD and make it a 1 score game but Pittsburgh will find enough to ice the game and I am calling for a final score of roughly 30-20 in favor of Pittsburgh and I see their defense with at least 1 score and possibly setting up a short field.

So can Green Bay win the game? I don’t think the chances are very high but they absolutely must play mistake free football and they also have to score I believe twice on some busted coverage. If they get spotted something like 14 and then don’t turn the ball over I would say they have a chance but Green Bay having a chance vs a dynasty team like Pittsburgh that I can get +2.5 even today…sorry but I am all over Pittsburgh in this contest so I take the Steelers and the +2.5.

Again, to my Green Bay friends, just enjoy the game and should you all win you can come in and rub my nose in it, I’ll be happy to eat crow come Sunday Night/Monday Morning. But for now I have a call in to Brinks and we are going to Back the Truck Up!!!

Final Score: Pittsburgh 30...Green Bay 20

Cheers

Respectfully dissagree, the biggest factor (imho) is Pitt being able or unable to run the ball (I believe it will be the latter) and 2ndly GB being able or unable to throw effectively ( I believe it will be the former). Yup, GB won't be able to run the ball much, so what, that isn't how GB (or anyone else) beats Pitt anyway; GB will throw early and often and then run the ball a bit. Pitt on the other hand needs the run, and if they can't run they will lose in a huge blowout. If GB plays well against the run they easily win this game going away; if GB is mediocre or poor on run D it should be a pretty close game.

GB 41 Pitt 27

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Pitt is 1st against the run in yds allowed, TDs, and yds per attempt.

Pitt is 3rd overall in least amount of pass TDs allowed and when you realize that teams know they can't run the football and pass all the time you would think that number might be a lot higher in TDs allowed. They also are 5th in interceptions in the league. They have created 35 turnovers and 48 sacks on the season.

Grren Bay is 28th in yds per attempt on the ground on defense...28th!!! Mendy isn't gonna have success? Seriously? GB has close to as many turnovers and sacks they create but 28th against the run and 25th in yds per attempt rushing on offense.

This talk of GB scoring 30-40+...outrageous. In the Super Bowl?

Kurt Warner had success a couple years ago but it was 3rd trip to the Super Bowl and he had Fitz and Boldin to chuck it around with. I like Jennings but in NFL terms not FF Jennings isn't close to Fitzgerald.

Again, I'm surprised so many are taking Green Bay.

28th against the run, 25th in rushing themselves, and 38 vs 2 in Super Bowl experience...the leap of faith here is those laying the points with Green Bay.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Please let me say to the Green Bay Nation and some of the great posters we have on this board…don't feel like you need to plaster a lot of stats on the season or convince me how good Rodgers is, or defend your Packers, I've been watching the playoffs and I understand. The reality is that this team was 8-6 and on the verge of being eliminated from the playoffs and then as Rodgers has said thru the media have ripped off 5 in a row when they were on the cusp of elimination. They got hot at the right time but this is far from a dominating team.

Wierd, the Packers got hot when Rodgers came back from injury after losing back to back games with Flynn at QB. The Packers are 13-4 this season with Rodgers at QB. The Steelers 13-3 with Ben at QB, and if God wasnt punishing Steve Johnson, they would have been 12-4. If you want to make an argument for why the Packers are far from a dominating team, this isnt it.

And 11-5 if the refs in the Dolphins game had been calling the game with their eyes open instead of closed.

 

[Clarence the barber]

Almost half the teams in the past decade had very little track record of winning and several of them beat teams that had recently won Super Bowls.

So, you're saying most of the time the more experienced team wins?

If you want to "go there," on several occasions BOTH teams haven't been there or won before, but I left those out. So feel free to add in the Colts vs the Bears, the Steelers vs the Seahawks, the Rams vs the Titans, and the Packers vs. the Patriots. You can also add the Broncos beating the Packers to the "been there" and lost category.Since 1996 (15 years counting this SB), the "new" teams winning were GB, DEN, STL, BAL, NE, TB, PIT, IND, NYG, and NO (10 wins) compared to "been there" teams winning of DEN, NE, NE, PIT (4 wins).

If you could somehow mention that there is no CBA at current it would make this post perfect.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Teams with 6 losses that have won a Super Bowl in the last 45 years...1988 San Fran 49ers2007 NY Giants

MOP - How many 6 loss teams have played in the Super Bowl?

Am I going to get an answer here?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Teams with 6 losses that have won a Super Bowl in the last 45 years...1988 San Fran 49ers2007 NY Giants

MOP - How many 6 loss teams have played in the Super Bowl?

Am I going to get an answer here?

What is Pittsburgh's record in the Super Bowl against teams with 6 or more losses?

 

[Limp Ditka]

Teams with 6 losses that have won a Super Bowl in the last 45 years...1988 San Fran 49ers2007 NY Giants

MOP - How many 6 loss teams have played in the Super Bowl?

Am I going to get an answer here?

What is Pittsburgh's record in the Super Bowl against teams with 6 or more losses?

at adding the "or more" to the conversation.Anyway, you answer first because I'm not the one that's bringing self defeating stats to the argument.

 

[David Yudkin]

To be clear, I have no dog in this fight and really could care less who wins. That being said, MOP is leading the league in rhetoric, hyperbole, and propaganda on this one. He's doing a great job stating his case emotionally, but at least his most recent posts have included some supporting elements to help make his case. He's thrown out some numbers and sprinkled things in here and there to make things sound good. More power to him.

However, he's leaving out more stats than he's putting in, so let's look at the big picture and not just the ones that fit a particular pre-disposed position. So here is a tale of the tape with full disclosure (includes regular and post season) . . .

Points scored:

GB 25.16, PIT 23.89

Points allowed:

PIT 15.28, GB 15.32

Net Points:

GB +9.84, PIT +8.61

Passing Yards Per Game:

GB 271, PIT 236

Passing Yards Allowed Per Game:

GB 218, PIT 228

Net Passing Yards Per Game:

GB +53, PIT +8

Passing TD Per Game:

GB 1.95, PIT 1.33

Passing TD Allowed Per Game:

GB 1.00, PIT 1.06

Net Passing TD Per Game:

GB +0.95, PIT +0.27

QB Rating:

GB 100.4, PIT 93.3

Defensive QB Rating:

GB 66.7, PIT 72.6

Net QB Rating:

GB +33.7, PIT +20.7

Interceptions Per Game (Lost By Offense)

PIT 0.61, GB 0.79

Interceptions Per Game (Gained by Defense)

GB 1.58, PIT 1.39

Net Interceptions Per Game

GB +0.79, PIT +0.78

Sacks Allowed Per Game

GB 2.26, PIT 2.83

Sacks Generated Per Game

PIT 3.06, GB 3.0

Net Sacks Per Game:

GB +0.74, PIT +0.23

Turnovers Per Game:

PIT 1.22, GB 1.42

Turnovers Generated Per Game:

PIT 2.17, GB 2.11

Net Turnovers Per Game:

PIT +0.95, GB+0.69

Rushing Yards Per Game:

PIT 120, GB 103

Rushing Yards Allowed Per Game:

PIT 62, GB 108

Net Rushing Yards Per Game:

PIT +58, GB -5

Rushing TD Per Game:

PIT 1.06, GB 0.79

Rushing TD Allowed Per Game:

PIT 0.33, GB 0.47

Net Rushing TD Per Game:

PIT: +0.73, GB +0.32

Yards From Scrimmage Per Game:

GB 374, PIT 356

Yards From Scrimmage Allowed Per Game:

PIT 290, GB 320

Net Yards From Scrimmage Per Game:

PIT +66, GB +54

Kickoff Return Defense (All Special Teams Stats Are Regular Season Only)

PIT 20.0 yds per kick, GB 21.8 yds per kick

Kickoff Returns Yards Gained Per Kick:

PIT 23.5 yds, GB 20.1 yds

Net Kick Return Yards:

PIT +3.5 yds, GB -1.7 yds

Punting:

PIT 44.3 yds per punt, GB 43.9 yds per punt

Punt Return Yardage Allowed:

PIT 9.2 yds per return, GB 11.0 yds per return

Punt Return Yardage:

GB 7.9 yds, PIT 6.1 yds

Net Punt Return Yardage:

GB -3.1 yds, PIT -3.1 yds

FG %:

GB 78.6%, PIT 78.4%

XP %:

GB 100%, PIT 100%

I see very little in all that in terms of either team having a sizeable advantage. IMO, defensively it's a wash up and down the point. The only really net gain for PIT is on the ground, which is negated by the advantage GB has through the air. But all the supposed advantages defensively IMO really aren't there. GB gives up just as few points, gets just as many sacks and turnovers, and actually does a better job efficiency wise against the pass.

PIT might have a slight edge in kicking with field position, but I did not feel like looking up starting field positions to see what a better and more accurate end result might be. The FG numbers looked pretty close.

I see this one going down to the wire. I would guess one team will have the lead at the 2:00 minute warning with the other given one last chance to go down the field to win or tie. Whichever defense holds or offense scores in that last couple of minutes will end up winning. I'm inclined to think the Packers will be the one with the lead and the Steelers the one with the ball and GB showing that their defense is just as stout as the Steelers and holding on for the win, but as I said it's just about a coin flip in my book.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

David,

You don't think that Pittsburgh has an advantage on rush defense where GB is 28th in yds per clip at 4.7 vs Pitt being #1 in the NFL with 3.0 per attempt? Then compound that with Green Bay not really having a bellcow at RB right now and Pittsburgh's Mendenhall has looked outstanding so far...I just can't understand how this is not a gigantic advantage for Pittsburgh.

The Steelers have to stop basically one person on offense this Sunday. And truth be told when you measure up these 2 QBs, Big Ben IMO is a much tougher QB and can withstand whatever onslaught might await him. What happens when Rodgers throws an interception? To me, he still has a slightly fragile ego and also he is not the toughest QB IMO. I really doubt Rodgers is given all day to throw the football back there.

Again, we can run thru stats till we're blue in the face, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how the game plays out. I hope it's a good game but teams that cannot stop the run effectively and also do not run the ball well as a combination going into the Super Bowl tend to not produce a winning combination.

I can hear folks and media talking on Monday about how could they have been fooled by the Packers and why didn't they trust what tradition has shown them over the years blah blah blah...much tougher for me to envision Aaron Rodgers and the Packers walking in and blowing out the Steelers as some are mentioning in here...very hard to think that will happen.

1st Q...Green Bay 7-3 or 10-3...some variation of that.

Halftime...Pittsburgh 13-10 or maybe even a tie game at the half. Put another way, the momentum will be back with Pittsburgh.

3rd Q...Pittsburgh 27-13, 24-13, ahead by a couple scores going into the 4th. I really think the coaching staff will make huge adjustments and Rodgers will make a goof sometime in the 2nd half as the pressure like he's never felt before starts to build.

Final...Pitt 30-20 with the Packers pulling to within 1 score at some point in the 4th Q before Pittsburgh ices the game. Mike McCarthy will make some boneheaded coaching decision or challenge a play that he shouldn't putting his team in a bad spot that will come back to bite them. Mr. Rodgers will either throw a pick 6 or he will allow Pittsburgh to set up on a very short field thru a turnover and that will be the difference in the game.

Again, I wish the Packerfans good luck, it's nothing personal. It's not like I love the Steelers fans either, I haven't forgotten the Miami game down here. But being able to be objective when betting football games is an art form and most allow personal feelings to enter into it.