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The Pack will win this game because of there 'Special Teams'. You heard it here First!
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David Yudkin
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The Steelers are good at stopping the run. So? GB doesn't usally run all that much. And in the post season, GB has only been giving up 70 yards on the ground a game.
PIT barely won against two running teams, let's see how they do against a passing team. IMO, PIT has had much more of a problem with spread offenses and top tier QBs, both of which are in play in this game. As I pointed out in the other thread, Rodgers has been lethal indoors on a fast track.
As I see it, GB's offense is similar to NE's and the Pats have been able to carve up the Steelers defense.
My point in all of this was to illustrate that many of the supposed advantages in PIT having a superior defense are really not borne out by the statistics.
PIT barely won against two running teams, let's see how they do against a passing team. IMO, PIT has had much more of a problem with spread offenses and top tier QBs, both of which are in play in this game. As I pointed out in the other thread, Rodgers has been lethal indoors on a fast track.
As I see it, GB's offense is similar to NE's and the Pats have been able to carve up the Steelers defense.
My point in all of this was to illustrate that many of the supposed advantages in PIT having a superior defense are really not borne out by the statistics.
Starks is the leading rusher in the playoffs, and is averaging more YPC than Mendenhall.
Ookie Pringle
Footballguy
MOP's analysis in this thread of why he thinks Pittsburgh will win is the nail in the coffin for any chance to become a staff member. Just brutal! 
smackdaddies
Footballguy
STOP STOP STOP
As a packer fan, for the love of all that is good and holy, SHUT UP.
Starks is not comparable to anyone in the top 25 of RB, period. Stats are good, but freaking A, the guy has had, what, two good games? You cant use stats with that low of a sample
STOP STOP STOP
As a packer fan, for the love of all that is good and holy, SHUT UP.
Starks is not comparable to anyone in the top 25 of RB, period. Stats are good, but freaking A, the guy has had, what, two good games? You cant use stats with that low of a sample
Starks is the leading rusher only because he has the most carries in the post season by a wide margin. Mendenhall has faced the NYJ and Baltimore- he's looked far better than Starks, regardless of the ypc.I certainly give a decent edge to Pitt in the running game, but not having Pouncey is going to hurt some. Regardless, it's going to come down to how the game plays out- if Pitt falls behind, the running game advantage isn't going to matter much.
Oh, since you are a Packers fan, you must know what you are talking about, ill stop then.STOP STOP STOP
As a packer fan, for the love of all that is good and holy, SHUT UP.
Starks is not comparable to anyone in the top 25 of RB, period. Stats are good, but freaking A, the guy has had, what, two good games? You cant use stats with that low of a sample
Clorox
Footballguy
STOP STOP STOPStarks is the leading rusher in the playoffs, and is averaging more YPC than Mendenhall.
As a packer fan, for the love of all that is good and holy, SHUT UP.
Starks is not comparable to anyone in the top 25 of RB, period. Stats are good, but freaking A, the guy has had, what, two good games? You cant use stats with that low of a sample
Thank you
Pipes
Footballguy
MOP...while I don't necessarily agree with your opinion you do state your case for Pittsburgh and it does make some sense. The Packers rushing defense against Mendenhall scares me alot...could be a huge advantage for Pittsburgh.Where you are 100% wrong is your statement on Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers stepped in and replaced a legend. Many Packer fans hated him because of their blind love of Favre yet not only has Rodgers preservered...he's thrived. He is one of the most confident QB's in the NFL. To say he has a slightly fragile ego is laughable. Just as laughable to say he's not tough. Guy nearly got killed behind their oline last year and had a great year. This year the line's better but Rodgers still has taken his fair share of hits. The concussions are concerning but that is not a result of his lack of toughness. Do you really watch Packer games, if so I'm shocked anyone could have this opinion of #12.
Ookie Pringle
Footballguy
Just stop already because you have hit rock bottom with your analysis. This comment shows you have no clue what you are talking about.
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Eric Stratton
Footballguy
Read the bold part that I responded to in Mops post. He said gb doesn't really have a bell cow right now and that mendenhall has been excellent. I simply pointed out that neither was true. I never said that gb had an advantage in the running game or that starks was a top 25 rb. I guess Smackdaddy likes to make things up to argue against.STOP STOP STOPStarks is the leading rusher in the playoffs, and is averaging more YPC than Mendenhall.
As a packer fan, for the love of all that is good and holy, SHUT UP.
Starks is not comparable to anyone in the top 25 of RB, period. Stats are good, but freaking A, the guy has had, what, two good games? You cant use stats with that low of a sampleStarks is the leading rusher only because he has the most carries in the post season by a wide margin. Mendenhall has faced the NYJ and Baltimore- he's looked far better than Starks, regardless of the ypc.
I certainly give a decent edge to Pitt in the running game, but not having Pouncey is going to hurt some. Regardless, it's going to come down to how the game plays out- if Pitt falls behind, the running game advantage isn't going to matter much.
I do think the Steelers will have to sell out against the pass the slow down Rodgers and co., which might open up some running lanes for Starks. Meanwhile, its not like mendenhall is adrian peterson, and with pouncey out against a tough Packers defense, I doubt mendenhall is going to have a very good game.
We shall see what happens, but I doubt we will see many Steelers fans around here for a while after tomorrows game.
I guess it depends on your definition of "bellcow"- Starks is obviously the main RB there right now, but he doesn't get most of the goal lines or 3rd downs. He said Mendenhall has looked outstanding so far, and I agree (especially last game). He was really impressive vs. a very tough NYJ defense. Scoring 2 TDs (including the game winner) vs. a Baltimore team that had only given up 5 rushing TDs during the regular season is nothing to sneeze at either. I'm not super high on him, but he's looked very good this postseason (regardless of his ypc).
We'll know soon enough how it plays out- I can see Starks outperforming Mendenhall depending on how the game goes, but the advantage clearly goes to Pittsburgh in the running department on paper.
We'll know soon enough how it plays out- I can see Starks outperforming Mendenhall depending on how the game goes, but the advantage clearly goes to Pittsburgh in the running department on paper.
I don't disagree with alot of this. I do think Starks has definitely been the bell cow lately, and I think mendenhall looked bad against baltimore, but I agree with you for the most part.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
at adding the "or more" to the conversation.Anyway, you answer first because I'm not the one that's bringing self defeating stats to the argument.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
Plus one!!!!! Did you bother to watch the Atlanta game? Went down 7 - 0, and drove them methodically down the field. Smooth as silk. Went down 14 - 7 on the td return....drove them right back down to tie it up. That was big time. In that game, in that place, there are probably two or three other qbs who do that. Nobody else. I am very sorry to tell you that Arod pretty much has ice in his veins, so if you are expecting him to cough up the game I think you will be disappointed.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Sadly, I have to agree. MOP didn't used to be this clueless. Saying he is not the toughest QB is code for "he is not that tough," but anyone who has watched him play knows how tough he is.
Mendenhall looked great last game but suggesting he looked anywhere near outstanding in the Baltimore game is a stretch. It took him 7 carries inside the 5 to get those 2 TDs. How great could he have possibly looked?
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
and if God wasn't punishing Matt Spaeth (against the Jets) they would have been 13-3 again.
Bottom line... this should be an exciting game and hopefully the better team loses.... Which would mean Lombardi #7 for Pittsburgh!!
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
Ravens, Jets, Colts, Pats.... sounds good to meWho is bashing the Steelers, or being snippy with MOP? Who is besides themselves that the Steelers are in the SB?
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
don't forget that the Steelers D led the league in fewest YPA this season. 12th in passing yds against is a little misleading since many teams decided to abandon the run game early.Eric Stratton said:
they are more dominating than you think
should be a great game.
Ravens, Jets, Colts, Pats.... sounds good to meWho is bashing the Steelers, or being snippy with MOP? Who is besides themselves that the Steelers are in the SB?
Your not like most Steelers fans here, i almost feel bad that your team is going to lose tomorrow. 
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
haha... thanks I think. Let me be clear... I HATE most Steeler fans and I can't stand their crappy songs... I'm even convinced that a lot of their fans can't even spell Pittsburgh.Ravens, Jets, Colts, Pats.... sounds good to meWho is bashing the Steelers, or being snippy with MOP? Who is besides themselves that the Steelers are in the SB?
All that being said I think the Packers are a better team this year and for me it all comes down to the O-Line health and the Packer's corners. The most interesting matchup to me is Heath Miller vs. AJ Hawk (most likely). Also interested to see who covers Sanders and Brown and whether those guys can step up. I would be disappointed (a little) if Rodgers suffers a concussion in this game but I'm not so sure he didn't suffer one in the NFCC.
I really can't stand Steeler homers... let me give an example of something I heard this week....
"I don't even know why the Packers show up cause the Stillers got it for sure. We got Hines Ward. Whatta they got... Donald Driver? Please... he cant do nothing. Who's gonna block Woodley and Harrison? We got Troy too so the packers got no shot."
typical Steelers homer I guess
Easy money....I hopehaha... thanks I think. Let me be clear... I HATE most Steeler fans and I can't stand their crappy songs... I'm even convinced that a lot of their fans can't even spell Pittsburgh.Ravens, Jets, Colts, Pats.... sounds good to meWho is bashing the Steelers, or being snippy with MOP? Who is besides themselves that the Steelers are in the SB?
All that being said I think the Packers are a better team this year and for me it all comes down to the O-Line health and the Packer's corners. The most interesting matchup to me is Heath Miller vs. AJ Hawk (most likely). Also interested to see who covers Sanders and Brown and whether those guys can step up. I would be disappointed (a little) if Rodgers suffers a concussion in this game but I'm not so sure he didn't suffer one in the NFCC.
I really can't stand Steeler homers... let me give an example of something I heard this week....
"I don't even know why the Packers show up cause the Stillers got it for sure. We got Hines Ward. Whatta they got... Donald Driver? Please... he cant do nothing. Who's gonna block Woodley and Harrison? We got Troy too so the packers got no shot."
typical Steelers homer I guess
By Heath Miller - Superbowl XLV
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I'm dipping the game, taking Pittsburgh plus 8.5 and over 39.
Good luck to all the trucks that are parked.
Good luck to all the trucks that are parked.
Eric Stratton
Footballguy
don't forget that the Steelers D led the league in fewest YPA this season. 12th in passing yds against is a little misleading since many teams decided to abandon the run game early.Eric Stratton said:
they are more dominating than you think
should be a great game.
I never wrote anything critical of the Steelers.
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Eric Stratton
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I didn't say he looked anywhere near outstanding against Baltimore first of all, but who cares how many carries it took? The bottom line is, he had 2 opportunites to score TDs and was successful both times. That's pretty good vs. a team who only gave up 5 total rushing TDs all regular season. Do you think it's easy to score a TD in obvious running situations vs. an elite defense, with a mediocre offensive line, and the game on the line for one of them? He got the job done.He looked decent vs. Baltimore and elite vs. the NYJ. Overall, he's looked very good this postseason, which is what I said.Hoosier16 said:
smackdaddies
Footballguy
lets face it, MOP is all about the
Facts, analysis, pffft.
It's all about trolling. But he is good at it.
Facts, analysis, pffft.
It's all about trolling. But he is good at it.
I guess I misinterpreted this:
Eric Stratton
Footballguy
Trying to be like LHUCKS isn't a smart thing to do.lets face it, MOP is all about the
I guess so.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
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Clarence the barber
Footballguy
Neither will be experiencing much action to smile about
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Sensational 1st half for the Pack.
See if the GB secondary can give it a go in the 2nd half. Ben showed some real toughness in the 1st half despite a couple interceptions. Rodgers throwing a frozen rope to Jennings who got nailed by TP and caught it for the TD anyways.
We'll see if Green Bay can finish them off. Certainly a TD opening drive in the 2nd half would pretty much seal it for them.
Should I preorder my bird? Do I get salt and pepper at least?
Was the last drive by Pittsburgh a sign of things to come?
Answers to these questions in the 2nd half.
See if the GB secondary can give it a go in the 2nd half. Ben showed some real toughness in the 1st half despite a couple interceptions. Rodgers throwing a frozen rope to Jennings who got nailed by TP and caught it for the TD anyways.
We'll see if Green Bay can finish them off. Certainly a TD opening drive in the 2nd half would pretty much seal it for them.
Should I preorder my bird? Do I get salt and pepper at least?
Was the last drive by Pittsburgh a sign of things to come?
Answers to these questions in the 2nd half.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Salt and Pepper please
John Bender
Footballguy
Hey....at least the Browns are still undefeated in the State of Florida....you've got that awesome piece of esoteric going for you.
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Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
it's OK MOP....
Pack played a flawless game, I mean FLAWLESS.
Congrats to them and to their fans...
Pack played a flawless game, I mean FLAWLESS.
Congrats to them and to their fans...
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Wow. That's spooky.Remind me to look up Yudkin's fantasy rankings next season.....if there is one.
Young 8
Footballguy
Time to go over what I think about the Super Bowl this weekend.
Pittsburgh is part of a dynasty of about 4-5 teams in the AFC that have dominated the NFL landscape for the last 10+ years. These teams are always pretty good, always in the playoffs, and almost always in the Super Bowl and tend to win those games although many of them were quite close. Those teams include New England, Indianapolis, Baltimore, and the San Diego Chargers. The Bolts never went to a Super Bowl but they are 76-36 since 2004. Baltimore has 104 wins since 2000, 1 Super Bowl ring, and they play in the same division as Pittsburgh. The Colts are 138-54 over the past 12 seasons with 2 Super Bowl trips and 1 ring. And finally the Patriots are 121-39 since 2001 with 4 trips to the Super Bowl and 3 rings to show for it as well as going perfect in the 2007 regular season. Add all that up and you have a very tough division and conference that Pittsburgh must navigate thru on a yearly basis. And they themselves have complied a 106-59 record over the last 10 years with 2 Super Bowl rings and this year making their 3rd trip inside of 6 years to the big game. Why do I emphasize this you ask?
Because when you go thru the history of the NFL and you look at teams in the 70s like Miami, Pitt, and Oakland which all won Super Bowls and you look at the competition they had to go thru with each other, it made them all stronger. Go to the 80s thru the mid-90s and it becomes the SF 49ers, Washington Redskins, NY Giants, and the Dallas Cowboys…they pushed each other to greatness. They had to be dominant to beat out the other teams in their conferences just to get to the Super Bowl.
I don’t really care to get in depth about the Steelers defense and the spread offense and the match up or headache it creates. I have seen the Green Bay Packers before in the Super Bowl and it includes teams like the Minnesota Vikings in the 70s, The Dan Marino Miami Dolphins of the 80s, the Buffalo Bills in the 90s, the point is I have seen this system or heralded type team before. Fans, media, and yes even this board has Aaron Rodgers on the brain and thinks he can win the game almost by himself; he’s the difference for this betting line right now. People are pointing to a game in the regular season last year or the year before and I just don’t think it makes a bit of difference this coming weekend.
Another key stat to me is that Pittsburgh has 38 players on their roster that have played in a Super Bowl before, and Green Bay has 2. There are clear examples of teams that didn’t have a lot of playoff or Super Bowl experience that were able to win a Super Bowl, I get that. But it makes a difference for a team like Pittsburgh.
Along the way this past decade we have seen a couple hiccups like the Giants in 2007 and New Orleans last year beating a veteran team like Indy but I think everyone agrees that coaching made a big difference and why Indy didn’t win it again last season when they stopped playing after starting 14-0 or whatever…you don’t put the brakes on something like that. I believe if Green Bay were to win this game it would be an upset despite the point spread.
Please let me say to the Green Bay Nation and some of the great posters we have on this board…don’t feel like you need to plaster a lot of stats on the season or convince me how good Rodgers is, or defend your Packers, I’ve been watching the playoffs and I understand. The reality is that this team was 8-6 and on the verge of being eliminated from the playoffs and then as Rodgers has said thru the media have ripped off 5 in a row when they were on the cusp of elimination. They got hot at the right time but this is far from a dominating team. I think they will be good for years to come, have a strong nucleus but the reality is they are not operating at 100%. They have no TE to hurt the Steelers with, they are not rolling the same quality of RB as Mendenhall out there; they simply are not. Anyone know btw who Mendenhall’s OC coached about 2 decades ago? I saw Mendenhall really attack the defenses in the playoffs and his OC was the RB coach for the KC Chiefs in the Christian Okoye era and I swear you could see a little Nigerian nightmare out there the past couple weeks. James Starks is a nice story but Mendenhall is a huge advantage in the running game.
I expect a war whether Green Bay wants it or not. I expect Pittsburgh to shut the running game off almost completely for Green Bay. If the Packers muster 60 yards rushing I would be surprised. Once the game turns into Rodgers dropping back all the time the Steelers will smell blood in the water and bring the house. Rodgers will not have time to progress thru his reads and I think the game will become very one sided once that happens. Pittsburgh has won 2 Super Bowls by pretty close margins. I can understand why folks feel this game will be close but I expect Pittsburgh to be ahead by double digits come the 2nd half going into the 4th Q.
The game will open with both teams trying to figure the other one out and sort of like jabs in a heavyweight fight. I expect Green Bay to get a little lucky and create a big play fairly early in the game. I’ll say 7-3 Green Bay after the 1st Q. The 2nd Q Pittsburgh will get the upper hand and Green Bay will manage a FG so we have a 13-10 score at the half. The 3rd Q I expect Pittsburgh to dominate and I see something like 27-13 entering the 4th Q. In the 4th Green Bay will score a TD and make it a 1 score game but Pittsburgh will find enough to ice the game and I am calling for a final score of roughly 30-20 in favor of Pittsburgh and I see their defense with at least 1 score and possibly setting up a short field.
So can Green Bay win the game? I don’t think the chances are very high but they absolutely must play mistake free football and they also have to score I believe twice on some busted coverage. If they get spotted something like 14 and then don’t turn the ball over I would say they have a chance but Green Bay having a chance vs a dynasty team like Pittsburgh that I can get +2.5 even today…sorry but I am all over Pittsburgh in this contest so I take the Steelers and the +2.5.
Again, to my Green Bay friends, just enjoy the game and should you all win you can come in and rub my nose in it, I’ll be happy to eat crow come Sunday Night/Monday Morning. But for now I have a call in to Brinks and we are going to Back the Truck Up!!!
Final Score: Pittsburgh 30...Green Bay 20
Cheers
John Bender
Footballguy
MoP is to Super Bowl Predictions what MoP is to pizza math.
chook
Footballguy
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fatness
Footballguy
I guess they wanted it.
Sarnoff
Footballguy
MOP =
Even the most casual fan knew PIT had no defense for GB's WRs. The outcome of this game was never really in doubt, they could never have held their own against Rogers for 4 quarters. Really, no excuse for anyone who claims to know anything about football to pick PIT, MOP just showing his ignorance in here.
