Bad calls by the REAL Refs today? (1 Viewer)

[DesmondBishop]

3 hour and 15 minute game. Last penalty should have been a non-call but the ref got sucker in. Oher's "holding" penalty was pretty lame although it made up for others that were missed. Several missed PI calls. Not sure what the Browns' unsportsmanlike penalty was about.

At least the real sucky refs looked good stinking it up. They definately bring professionalism to sucking.

6min longer than the average replacement ref game. Will the media give them shi!t?

The best was the review of the Cribb's fumble. After waiting for him to leave the field and a tv timeout they decide to review the play. Not really sure why it was reviewable as that wasn't explained. Per the rule mentioned on TV that shouldn't have been a turnover even though it looked like a fumble.

It definitely was a fumble and every turnover is reviewed automatically by the booth. Just because he got the crap and the ball knocked out of him, that didn't change the fact that it was clearly a fumble and was clearly recovered by the Ravens.Do you say this because his helmet came off?

Yeah...per Mayock. Of course he screws up more than the fake and real refs combined. Supposedly the helmet coming off ends the play. Who knows what the definition of "off" is. Antoher stupid NFL rule.

That is a good point because it was pretty bang bang, helmet off to fumble. I would have to see the replay again to really be able to say how the events took place, but according to the rule book here: http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/2011_Rule_Book.pdf it is pretty cut and dry, the play ends when the helmet comes completely off the player with the balls head.

 

[sporthenry]

3 hour and 15 minute game. Last penalty should have been a non-call but the ref got sucker in. Oher's "holding" penalty was pretty lame although it made up for others that were missed. Several missed PI calls. Not sure what the Browns' unsportsmanlike penalty was about.At least the real sucky refs looked good stinking it up. They definately bring professionalism to sucking.

6min longer than the average replacement ref game. Will the media give them shi!t?

This is actually factually incorrect. That was the number in week 1. Week 2 came in at an average of 3.11 hours. Week 3 came in at 3.23 hours albeit with a few OT games but that number is not including the MNF game so that would probably be higher. Additionally, prime time games are expected to be longer with more commercials. The two biggest problems the replacement refs had were that the one MNF game with the Falcons lasted 3.5 hours and secondly that many 1:00 games were running onto 4:00 games. These games should be quicker with less commercial delays than primetime games. There are two things out of the refs control in new OT where the game will last longer and automatic review of turnovers. This means that games will still be longer than 2011 but shorter than replacement refs. http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/20/nfls-replacement-officials-called-for-delay-of-gam/http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Are-NFL-games-taking-longer-than-ever.html

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Night and Day difference.

wb real refs.

 

[Shawn]

Instead I think we should all just be happy they are back. No one is perfect, but these guys are a HELL OF A LOT closer

 

[sho nuff]

3 hour and 15 minute game. Last penalty should have been a non-call but the ref got sucker in. Oher's "holding" penalty was pretty lame although it made up for others that were missed. Several missed PI calls. Not sure what the Browns' unsportsmanlike penalty was about.At least the real sucky refs looked good stinking it up. They definately bring professionalism to sucking.

6min longer than the average replacement ref game. Will the media give them shi!t?

The best was the review of the Cribb's fumble. After waiting for him to leave the field and a tv timeout they decide to review the play. Not really sure why it was reviewable as that wasn't explained. Per the rule mentioned on TV that shouldn't have been a turnover even though it looked like a fumble.

Play is dead when the helmet comes off.The ball...however...was out or coming out as the helmet comes off. That part of the play has to finish.You can't really have a play blown dead when nobody has possession of the football.and that delay for Cribbs easily showed why the game was a bit longer as well.And the last penalty should have been a non-call? Why should a shove like that continue to be a non-call. IMO it showed what they needed to show, that this crap may have gone on and been tolerated with the replacements...but not with them. Players start pushing and shoving, the flags will come out.

 

[ufshowboat]

AT LEAST THEY HAVE CONTROL. LOL.

My favorite part was near the end of the game when the Browns were driving and they were down 10 points on the Ravens 25ish yard line looking for a TD to make it a FG game (who woulda thought?).

Weeden is called for intentional grounding despite getting hit as he threw, which caused the errant throw (all agreed it was a bad call). Somebody from the browns threw his hands in the air right in front of the ref, so they threw another flag for 15 yards unsportsmanlike. Now its 2nd and 40 or something stupid and the Browns have no chance at a TD and settle for another 50 yard FG.

Or the refs could have made the right call in the first place, not followed it up with a bull#### 15 yarder because somebody called them out and we would have been able to WATCH FOOTBALL PLAYERS PLAY FOOTBALL instead of REFS REFFING. BUT AT LEAST THEY HAVE CONTROL OF THE GAME.

Personally I would prefer if the football players controlled the game.

 

[ufshowboat]

by the way, I'm not a browns or ravens fan. Just an anti-fan of refs in general. Replacement or not. They should let em play and only call obvious fouls that break the rules and effect the play.

 

[fatness]

The standing ovation for the real refs said it all. People know the difference.

 

[DoubleG]

3 hour and 15 minute game. Last penalty should have been a non-call but the ref got sucker in. Oher's "holding" penalty was pretty lame although it made up for others that were missed. Several missed PI calls. Not sure what the Browns' unsportsmanlike penalty was about.

At least the real sucky refs looked good stinking it up. They definately bring professionalism to sucking.

6min longer than the average replacement ref game. Will the media give them shi!t?

The best was the review of the Cribb's fumble. After waiting for him to leave the field and a tv timeout they decide to review the play. Not really sure why it was reviewable as that wasn't explained. Per the rule mentioned on TV that shouldn't have been a turnover even though it looked like a fumble.

It definitely was a fumble and every turnover is reviewed automatically by the booth. Just because he got the crap and the ball knocked out of him, that didn't change the fact that it was clearly a fumble and was clearly recovered by the Ravens.Do you say this because his helmet came off?

Yeah...per Mayock. Of course he screws up more than the fake and real refs combined. Supposedly the helmet coming off ends the play. Who knows what the definition of "off" is. Antoher stupid NFL rule.

That is a good point because it was pretty bang bang, helmet off to fumble. I would have to see the replay again to really be able to say how the events took place, but according to the rule book here: http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/2011_Rule_Book.pdf it is pretty cut and dry, the play ends when the helmet comes completely off the player with the balls head.

WTH does that even mean? Is that SFW?

 

[strong]

I expect a few people in the pool to be falling over themselves to point out every time the refs so much as stutter tonight.

I really don't understand who these people are that defended the replacement refs... They must be trolls. I don't know a single person who thought the replacements were competent at refereeing NFL games.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

How about them ref'ing before agreement is actually signed? Bad call guys!!!

 

[Ignoramus]

by the way, I'm not a browns or ravens fan. Just an anti-fan of refs in general. Replacement or not. They should let em play and only call obvious fouls that break the rules and effect the play.

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what referees do...

 

[inca911]

Weeden is called for intentional grounding despite getting hit as he threw, which caused the errant throw (all agreed it was a bad call).

I disagree with your assessment. In that situation, determining intentional grounding is a judgement call by the ref. Just because the throwing motion is interfered with does not give the QB a free pass for intentional grounding. Based on where the pass was headed and the throwing intensity regardless of the interference, Weeden's pass appeared to be headed for no-man's land. It's a close call, but I feel it was a good call.The unsportmanlike conduct penalty was for what Shurmer said, not for someone waving hands. One could argue that the later unsportmanlike against the Ravens on the second to last play might have been a make-up call.Well officiated game.

 

[Bronco Nation]

Weeden is called for intentional grounding despite getting hit as he threw, which caused the errant throw (all agreed it was a bad call).

I disagree with your assessment. In that situation, determining intentional grounding is a judgement call by the ref. Just because the throwing motion is interfered with does not give the QB a free pass for intentional grounding. Based on where the pass was headed and the throwing intensity regardless of the interference, Weeden's pass appeared to be headed for no-man's land. It's a close call, but I feel it was a good call.The unsportmanlike conduct penalty was for what Shurmer said, not for someone waving hands. One could argue that the later unsportmanlike against the Ravens on the second to last play might have been a make-up call.Well officiated game.

I agree completely - it was absolutely intentional grounding.

 

[VonRomig]

yes the same scrutinylets see how many times they miswalk off yardagelets see how many games turn into a cheap shot buffet at the endlets look at them with the SAME scrutiny, which does NOT mean looking simply for a missed call or two, but rather how they handle the job and keep control of a gamelets

Exactly... look at the Pats Ravens game.... 8 of the first 12 plays resulted in near-brawls and the replacement refs did NOTHING. Hell edelman took shots to the jaw while trying to get off the line... facemask pulling...etc.... no flags. Players didn't respect the replacement refs and the replacement refs gave them no reason to....

 

[VonRomig]

I also believe the Coaches were definitly lacking in this department. I only saw one coach actually go out onto the field and round up his player to go to the sideline/away from 'pileup'. In to many cases the coaches incited the players by their own outragious actions (IE: Fox). Can't put everything on the refs, replacement or not, the coaches have got to control their teams.

 

[fatness]

I really don't understand who these people are that defended the replacement refs... They must be trolls. I don't know a single person who thought the replacements were competent at refereeing NFL games.

They're guys who defended the NFL and wanted the real refs to knuckle under in the labor dispute. So they'll pretend the replacements were as good, or better.

 

[fatness]

Interview with replacement ref.

The night before the New England–Nashville game, not you personally but your crew, looking at it honestly, were you guys an NFL-regular-season-ready officiating crew?

No, I don’t think you could say that. We didn’t have that experience. You can’t say that guys that had worked four preseason games and prior to that had worked, whether it be [Division I-AA] or worked Division II, Division III — there’s no way you can compare us with the guys that have had X number of years at the NFL level. No one jumps into the NFL from Division II or Division III, and very few guys even from [Division I-AA]. Most of these guys have spent years working at the Division I BCS level, where they worked in front of 75 or 100 people, and you know, they’re accustomed to working with replay and with a lot of the stuff our guys had never been exposed to.

In the preseason and into the regular season, some of the stuff — calling the wrong team out, and a touchback when it wasn’t a touchback, some of the obvious stuff — did that bug you? Did that worry you? As an official, did that bother you, that you know you were all getting grouped together and getting a bad name? Because there were some pretty big gaffes by relatively few people.

It’s true, and those things happen, and I suppose it was disappointing. Certainly no one did it intentionally. It’s part of the learning process and part of the experience gap that these guys had. There was a sense of pure nervousness, of confidence that was lacking in some cases, and you know, these stadiums are a lot different than what you run into in college. With all the media and stuff on the sidelines, sometimes it’s actually difficult to tell which one is the press-box side and which one’s not the press-box side. So you know, I think I’ve even turned the wrong way myself. So I know it can happen.

When you saw the Seattle–Green Bay play on Monday Night Football and the reaction to it, did you kind of know that it was over?

I thought that, certainly. We had heard that there were negotiations going on, and I felt that this would certainly be another nail to force this to a quicker finish.

 

[DesmondBishop]

3 hour and 15 minute game. Last penalty should have been a non-call but the ref got sucker in. Oher's "holding" penalty was pretty lame although it made up for others that were missed. Several missed PI calls. Not sure what the Browns' unsportsmanlike penalty was about.

At least the real sucky refs looked good stinking it up. They definately bring professionalism to sucking.

6min longer than the average replacement ref game. Will the media give them shi!t?

The best was the review of the Cribb's fumble. After waiting for him to leave the field and a tv timeout they decide to review the play. Not really sure why it was reviewable as that wasn't explained. Per the rule mentioned on TV that shouldn't have been a turnover even though it looked like a fumble.

It definitely was a fumble and every turnover is reviewed automatically by the booth. Just because he got the crap and the ball knocked out of him, that didn't change the fact that it was clearly a fumble and was clearly recovered by the Ravens.Do you say this because his helmet came off?

Yeah...per Mayock. Of course he screws up more than the fake and real refs combined. Supposedly the helmet coming off ends the play. Who knows what the definition of "off" is. Antoher stupid NFL rule.

That is a good point because it was pretty bang bang, helmet off to fumble. I would have to see the replay again to really be able to say how the events took place, but according to the rule book here: http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/2011_Rule_Book.pdf it is pretty cut and dry, the play ends when the helmet comes completely off the player with the balls head.

WTH does that even mean? Is that SFW?

LOL, I typed that late, and when I re-read it this morning I was lmao at myself. I suppose I could have worded that a little better.

 

[RandyDB]

3 hour and 15 minute game. Last penalty should have been a non-call but the ref got sucker in. Oher's "holding" penalty was pretty lame although it made up for others that were missed. Several missed PI calls. Not sure what the Browns' unsportsmanlike penalty was about.

At least the real sucky refs looked good stinking it up. They definately bring professionalism to sucking.

6min longer than the average replacement ref game. Will the media give them shi!t?

The best was the review of the Cribb's fumble. After waiting for him to leave the field and a tv timeout they decide to review the play. Not really sure why it was reviewable as that wasn't explained. Per the rule mentioned on TV that shouldn't have been a turnover even though it looked like a fumble.

Play is dead when the helmet comes off.The ball...however...was out or coming out as the helmet comes off. That part of the play has to finish.

You can't really have a play blown dead when nobody has possession of the football.

and that delay for Cribbs easily showed why the game was a bit longer as well.

And the last penalty should have been a non-call? Why should a shove like that continue to be a non-call. IMO it showed what they needed to show, that this crap may have gone on and been tolerated with the replacements...but not with them. Players start pushing and shoving, the flags will come out.

What about a fumble that rolls out of bounds? Ball goes out of bounds ---> whistle blows play dead.With the new helmet rule. Ball carriers helmet come off ---> whistle blows play dead.

 

[sho nuff]

3 hour and 15 minute game. Last penalty should have been a non-call but the ref got sucker in. Oher's "holding" penalty was pretty lame although it made up for others that were missed. Several missed PI calls. Not sure what the Browns' unsportsmanlike penalty was about.

At least the real sucky refs looked good stinking it up. They definately bring professionalism to sucking.

6min longer than the average replacement ref game. Will the media give them shi!t?

The best was the review of the Cribb's fumble. After waiting for him to leave the field and a tv timeout they decide to review the play. Not really sure why it was reviewable as that wasn't explained. Per the rule mentioned on TV that shouldn't have been a turnover even though it looked like a fumble.

Play is dead when the helmet comes off.The ball...however...was out or coming out as the helmet comes off. That part of the play has to finish.

You can't really have a play blown dead when nobody has possession of the football.

and that delay for Cribbs easily showed why the game was a bit longer as well.

And the last penalty should have been a non-call? Why should a shove like that continue to be a non-call. IMO it showed what they needed to show, that this crap may have gone on and been tolerated with the replacements...but not with them. Players start pushing and shoving, the flags will come out.

What about a fumble that rolls out of bounds? Ball goes out of bounds ---> whistle blows play dead.With the new helmet rule. Ball carriers helmet come off ---> whistle blows play dead.

Great...but possession when it is not in the field of play is determined by who last had possession.Possession on the field of play is not determined that way.

 

[RandyDB]

3 hour and 15 minute game. Last penalty should have been a non-call but the ref got sucker in. Oher's "holding" penalty was pretty lame although it made up for others that were missed. Several missed PI calls. Not sure what the Browns' unsportsmanlike penalty was about.

At least the real sucky refs looked good stinking it up. They definately bring professionalism to sucking.

6min longer than the average replacement ref game. Will the media give them shi!t?

The best was the review of the Cribb's fumble. After waiting for him to leave the field and a tv timeout they decide to review the play. Not really sure why it was reviewable as that wasn't explained. Per the rule mentioned on TV that shouldn't have been a turnover even though it looked like a fumble.

Play is dead when the helmet comes off.The ball...however...was out or coming out as the helmet comes off. That part of the play has to finish.

You can't really have a play blown dead when nobody has possession of the football.

and that delay for Cribbs easily showed why the game was a bit longer as well.

And the last penalty should have been a non-call? Why should a shove like that continue to be a non-call. IMO it showed what they needed to show, that this crap may have gone on and been tolerated with the replacements...but not with them. Players start pushing and shoving, the flags will come out.

What about a fumble that rolls out of bounds? Ball goes out of bounds ---> whistle blows play dead.With the new helmet rule. Ball carriers helmet come off ---> whistle blows play dead.

Great...but possession when it is not in the field of play is determined by who last had possession.Possession on the field of play is not determined that way.

It seems there are a number of times that Possession of a Dead Ball in the field of play is determined by who last had possession.Rule Book

Section 2 Dead Ball

Article 1: Dead Ball Declared. An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended:

(a) when a runner is contacted by a defensive player and touches the ground with any part of his body

other than his hands or feet. The ball is dead the instant the runner touches the ground. A runner

touching the ground with his hands or feet while in the grasp of an opponent may continue to

advance; or

(b) when a runner is held or otherwise restrained so that his forward progress ends; or

© when a quarterback immediately drops to his knee (or simulates dropping to his knee) behind the line

of scrimmage; or

(d) when a runner declares himself down by sliding feet first on the ground. The ball is dead the instant

the runner touches the ground with anything other than his hands or his feet; or

Note: Defenders are required to treat a sliding runner as they would a runner who is down by contact.

(1) A defender must pull up when a runner begins a feet-first slide. This does not mean that all contact by

a defender is illegal. If a defender has already committed himself, and the contact is unavoidable, it is

not a foul unless the defender commits some other act, such as helmet-to-helmet contact or by

driving his forearm or shoulder into the head or neck area of the runner.

(2) A runner who desires to take advantage of this protection is responsible for starting his slide before

contact by a defensive player is imminent; if he does not, and waits until the last moment to begin his

slide, he puts himself in jeopardy of being contacted.

(e) when a runner is out of bounds, or declares himself down by falling to the ground, or kneeling, and

making no effort to advance; or

(f) when an opponent takes a ball that is in the possession of a runner who is on the ground; or

Note: An opponent may take or grab a ball (hand to hand) in possession of a runner who is on his feet or is

airborne.

(g) when a forward pass (legal or illegal) is incomplete (see 8-1-4); or

(h) when any legal or illegal kick touches the receivers’ goal posts or crossbar, unless it scores a field

goal (see 9-4-2); or

(i) when a loose ball comes to rest anywhere in the field of play, and no player attempts to recover it; the

official covering the play should pause momentarily before signaling that the ball is dead. Any legal (or

illegal) kick is awarded to the receivers, and any other ball is awarded to the team last in possession.

When awarded to a team behind a goal line, the ball is placed on the one-yard line.

(j) when any legal or illegal kick is caught or recovered by the kickers, except a scrimmage kick that is

kicked from behind the line and is recovered behind the line (not a Try kick). See 9-3-2-Item3 for

exception; or

(k) when the defense gains possession during a Try, or it is obvious a Try-kick will not score; or

(l) when a touchdown, touchback, safety, field goal, or Try has been made; or

(m) when any receiver catches or recovers the ball after a fair catch signal (valid or invalid) has been

made, provided the ball has not been touched by an opponent, before or after it strikes the ground; or

when an official sounds his whistle while the ball is still in play, the ball becomes dead immediately;

(i) If the ball is in player possession, the team in possession may elect to put the ball in play where it

has been declared dead or to replay the down.

(ii) If the ball is a loose ball resulting from a fumble, backward pass, or illegal forward pass, the team

last in possession may elect to put the ball in play at the spot where possession was lost or to

replay the down.

(iii) If the ball is a loose ball resulting from a legal forward pass, a free kick, a fair-catch kick, or a

scrimmage kick, the ball is returned to the previous spot, and the down is replayed.

OFFICIAL NFL PLAYING RULES 35

(iv) If there is a foul by either team during any of the above, penalty enforcement is the same as for

fouls during a run, forward pass, kick, fumble, and backward pass.

A.R. 7.1 Second-and-goal on B2. Runner A1 goes to the line of scrimmage where he is tackled and fumbles. The ball

rolls into the end zone when the Referee inadvertently blows his whistle as the ball is loose in the end zone.

Defense then falls on the ball.

Ruling: A’s ball second-and-goal on B2 (inadvertent whistle).

A.R. 7.2 Second-and-10 on A30. Runner A2 fumbles a handoff from Quarterback A1 on the A25. The ball is on the A22

when the Referee inadvertently blows his whistle.

Ruling: A’s ball second-and-10 on A30 (replay).

A.R. 7.3 Second-and-five on A30. During a forward pass, while the ball is in the air, the line judge inadvertently blows

his whistle. Prior to the whistle Guard A1 held B1 on the A25.

Ruling: A’s ball second-and-15 on A20.

A.R. 7.4 A forward pass is intentionally touched by ineligible A1 beyond line. While the pass is still in flight, a whistle

sounds. The pass is incomplete.

Ruling: Replay down. Touch occurred after whistle.

(o) when a fumble is recovered or caught by a teammate of the fumbling player, and the fumble occurs

on a play that is subject to the “two-minute” or “fourth-down” fumble provisions. See 8-7-5 and 8-7-6;

or

(p) when the ball is out of bounds; or

(q) If a loose ball in play strikes a video board, guide wire, sky cam, or any other object, the ball will be

dead immediately, and the down will be replayed at the previous spot.

Note 1: If there is not an on-field ruling that the ball struck an object, the Replay Official is empowered to initiate

a booth review, even if the event occurs prior to the two-minute warning. If, prior to the two-minute warning,

no booth review is initiated by the Replay Official, a coach’s challenge is permitted under the established

rules for such a challenge.

Note 2: In the event the down is replayed, the game clock will be reset to the time remaining when the snap

occurred. All penalties will be disregarded, except for personal fouls or Unsportsmanlike Conduct fouls,

which will be administered prior to the replaying of the down.

® when a runner’s helmet comes completely off.

Note: The game clock will not stop when this occurs, and the play clock will be reset to 40 seconds. Penalty

enforcement following the play is as ordinary for fouls during runs or kicks.

A.R. 7.5 A runner (in full possession of the ball) is contacted by an opponent while he is attempting to gain yardage.

The contact causes the runner to hit the ground, at which time the ball comes loose.

Ruling: Play is dead when the impact jars the ball loose. No fumble.

A.R. 7.6 Second-and-10 on A30. Offensive End A1 catches a legal forward pass on the A40 where he is stopped by

B1, but A1 breaks away and goes back to the A38 in an attempt to break loose. He is tackled on the A38 by

B2.

Ruling: A’s ball third-and-two on A38. No forward progress is given as he was not stopped. He broke away

before he was downed.

A.R. 7.7 Second-and-10 on A30. Both eligible offensive A1 and defensive B1 leap in the air to catch a forward pass

and collide during a legal attempt to catch ball on the 50. A1 controls the pass and falls to the ground.

Ruling: Ball is dead at spot. A’s ball first-and-10 on the 50.

A.R. 7.8 Second-and-10 on A30. Runner A1 breaks clear and is on the 50 when he slips and falls down. B1 takes the

ball from A1’s hands when A1 is on the ground.

Ruling: Blow whistle to kill play. May not take ball unless runner is on his feet. A’s ball first-and-10 on the 50.

A.R. 7.9 Second-and-10 on A30. A backward pass from the A25 hits the ground on the A20 where a defensive player

recovers and runs for a score.

Ruling: Touchdown (8-7-1).

A.R. 7.10 Second-and-goal on B4. Runner A1 gets to the goal line and ball touches goal line when he is tackled. He

fumbles and defensive B1 recovers in end zone.

Ruling: Touchdown. Ball dead as soon as ball touches goal line in player possession (11-2-1-a).

Article 3: Ball Touches Official. The ball is not dead because it touches an official who is inbounds, or

because of a signal by an official other than a whistle.

 

[Pots]

Poor Unnecessary Roughness call on the Vikings

 

[mr roboto]

Poor Unnecessary Roughness call on the Vikings

Came to post this.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Blew an obvious overturn on a TD for Brady. Pats would have gotten a TD anyway most likely, but the replay clearly showed his knee down before the ball crossed the line.

 

[Pots]

Blew an obvious overturn on a TD for Brady. Pats would have gotten a TD anyway most likely, but the replay clearly showed his knee down before the ball crossed the line.

Same thing happened on Stafford TD jump. He pulled it back before he crossed the line.

 

[massraider]

Blew an obvious overturn on a TD for Brady. Pats would have gotten a TD anyway most likely, but the replay clearly showed his knee down before the ball crossed the line.

No it didn't.His knee may have been down, or it may have been inches from the ground.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Blew an obvious overturn on a TD for Brady. Pats would have gotten a TD anyway most likely, but the replay clearly showed his knee down before the ball crossed the line.

No it didn't.His knee may have been down, or it may have been inches from the ground.

The replay couldn't be any clearer. His movement was physically impossible if his knee didn't hit.

 

[Pots]

Blew an obvious overturn on a TD for Brady. Pats would have gotten a TD anyway most likely, but the replay clearly showed his knee down before the ball crossed the line.

No it didn't.His knee may have been down, or it may have been inches from the ground.

The replay couldn't be any clearer. His movement was physically impossible if his knee didn't hit.

SUrprised no GB fans have posted about the debatable Colston pushoff

 

[greenroom]

Or the down by contact even though he was standing? and he fumbled? Yes it was the replacement refs..

 

[jon_mx]

Or the down by contact even though he was standing? and he fumbled? Yes it was the replacement refs..

Great call. Obviously his forward progress or something must have been stopped.

 

[fatness]

I watched a good bit of 3 different games today. In all 3 the announcers said the quality of refereeing was way higher than it had been in the first 3 weeks. I couldn't agree more. Now we're back to the usual level of mistakes, instead of fiascoes.

In one game a player clearly caught a ball in the end zone and then a second player also grabbed the ball. Both players held on to it until the play was over. One announcer said "in another world, that would have been called 'simultaneous possession' ".

 

[BassNBrew]

Ref-ing quality for the Panthers game was down from the replacement ref level. Pretty much the reverse of every other game I watched. Really wish we could get better refs period.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I didn't notice them on many of the games, guess that is a good thing.

 

[solorca]

There were some bad calls here and there today, but it was so refreshing to be able to watch games with the refs just blending into the game for the most part, rather than being a major focus of the game for the coaches, players, and fans.

 

[Mike]

Saints-Packers game had some pretty bad calls that could have cost the Packers the game, again.

- Colston non-call penalty already mentioned.

- Jimmy Graham catch sure looked like a drop and still not overturned on the challenge.

- Sproles kickoff return fumble.

 

[Shawn]

Saints-Packers game had some pretty bad calls that could have cost the Packers the game, again.- Colston non-call penalty already mentioned.- Jimmy Graham catch sure looked like a drop and still not overturned on the challenge.- Sproles kickoff return fumble.

so since you won packers probably wont make a tshirt and cry about a legit catch right?

 

[Short Corner]

End of ATL game. Gonzo knocked back out of bounds with 11 seconds an no time outs. ATL got a stoppage and a FG.

 

[Patroclus]

Ref-ing quality for the Panthers game was down from the replacement ref level. Pretty much the reverse of every other game I watched. Really wish we could get better refs period.

Hard to get better refs when you can't fire one without a union incident

 

[fatness]

Ref-ing quality for the Panthers game was down from the replacement ref level. Pretty much the reverse of every other game I watched. Really wish we could get better refs period.

I watched most of that game. You're wrong. Keep fighting the good fight for crushing unions, though.

 

[fatness]

I really don't understand who these people are that defended the replacement refs... They must be trolls. I don't know a single person who thought the replacements were competent at refereeing NFL games.

They're guys who defended the NFL and wanted the real refs to knuckle under in the labor dispute. So they'll pretend the replacements were as good, or better.

For example:

Ref-ing quality for the Panthers game was down from the replacement ref level. Pretty much the reverse of every other game I watched. Really wish we could get better refs period.

Hard to get better refs when you can't fire one without a union incident

 

[Cunk]

Blew an obvious overturn on a TD for Brady. Pats would have gotten a TD anyway most likely, but the replay clearly showed his knee down before the ball crossed the line.

No it didn't.His knee may have been down, or it may have been inches from the ground.

The replay couldn't be any clearer. His movement was physically impossible if his knee didn't hit.

Yes, I'm a Pats homer but I don't think the replay way clear at all. To me his knee looked off the ground. Definitely not disputable evidence.

 

[inca911]

End of ATL game. Gonzo knocked back out of bounds with 11 seconds an no time outs. ATL got a stoppage and a FG.

Being knocked back does not mean the play is dead. Else most running backs would have much lower yardage totals. If the runner's progress was halted in the field of play, with no reasonable possibility of gaining additional forward progress, then yes the player is in bounds and the clock should continue to run. Typically this means the runner is still engaged by a defender who is winning the field position battle. A hard knock-back hit doesn't automatically result in the end of the play. If I remember the Gonzo play (can't find it online), it was definitely a close call but not one that I'd say was a bad call. He might have been regaining forward progress as he was moving out of bounds.

 

[Short Corner]

End of ATL game. Gonzo knocked back out of bounds with 11 seconds an no time outs. ATL got a stoppage and a FG.

Being knocked back does not mean the play is dead. Else most running backs would have much lower yardage totals. If the runner's progress was halted in the field of play, with no reasonable possibility of gaining additional forward progress, then yes the player is in bounds and the clock should continue to run. Typically this means the runner is still engaged by a defender who is winning the field position battle. A hard knock-back hit doesn't automatically result in the end of the play. If I remember the Gonzo play (can't find it online), it was definitely a close call but not one that I'd say was a bad call. He might have been regaining forward progress as he was moving out of bounds.

I thought it was pretty clear. The hit, IMO, stopped his forward progress and forced him OOB. Clock should keep running in that scenario. They made the same incorrect call inthe Detroit game, giving the Lions a chance to tie it.

 

[sho nuff]

Saints-Packers game had some pretty bad calls that could have cost the Packers the game, again.- Colston non-call penalty already mentioned.- Jimmy Graham catch sure looked like a drop and still not overturned on the challenge.- Sproles kickoff return fumble.

so since you won packers probably wont make a tshirt and cry about a legit catch right?

And you won't post some random guy's "facts" about how they were good calls?

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Blew an obvious overturn on a TD for Brady. Pats would have gotten a TD anyway most likely, but the replay clearly showed his knee down before the ball crossed the line.

No it didn't.His knee may have been down, or it may have been inches from the ground.

The replay couldn't be any clearer. His movement was physically impossible if his knee didn't hit.

Yes, I'm a Pats homer but I don't think the replay way clear at all. To me his knee looked off the ground. Definitely not disputable evidence.

I'd like nothing more than taking a TD away from Brady, but the right call was made. There's no way you can be 100% sure that knee touched the ground. It's possible he just flailed that leg backward as he lunged forward.

 

[BassNBrew]

Ref-ing quality for the Panthers game was down from the replacement ref level. Pretty much the reverse of every other game I watched. Really wish we could get better refs period.

I watched most of that game. You're wrong. Keep fighting the good fight for crushing unions, though.

Keep fighting the good fight for inferior product. In your world Brady would never have seen the field.

 

[Mike]

Saints-Packers game had some pretty bad calls that could have cost the Packers the game, again.- Colston non-call penalty already mentioned.- Jimmy Graham catch sure looked like a drop and still not overturned on the challenge.- Sproles kickoff return fumble.

so since you won packers probably wont make a tshirt and cry about a legit catch right?

"you" ? I wasn't playing or cared too much either way on the outcome, just stating there were some very bad calls in that game. Coincidentally, the worst ones were against the Packers.

 

[sho nuff]

While there were bad calls (as there will be with any refs)...you could see the difference in how the games went on...the flow and so forth.

McCarthy and Rodgers both commented how they were more able to keep tempo in their no-huddle offense and things just went smoother in that way.

On that I agree from watching...it was easier to watch these games than the choppy nature of the first 3 weeks.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Night and Day difference.wb real refs.

Cowherd is still drinking the anti-union kool-aid as is (more) unlistenable at this point.-QG