Bad calls by the REAL Refs today? (1 Viewer)

[sporthenry]

Skins lost a TD on an iffy illegal shift call. They also got hit with a leg whipping call. Both plays were questioned by the commentators big time and had some impact on the game.

Yes, now these were bad calls but hey, at least these refs know the rule. The leg whip was bad because the guy fell and his leg came up. I assume if you just saw the leg come up, it might have looked like a leg whip but it would have been very skilled to have a 300 lb O-linemen fall to the ground and simultaneously leg whip someone. The illegal shift was technically correctly called but you just don't see it called that closely. I thought both calls were bad (but in the letter of the law). Both hurt WAS but that is the problem with discretion. It doesn't always work out the way you see it.

 

[mmarsian]

One play that I thought wasn't called correctly was that sack fumble on Sanchez. I thought you weren't supposed to go at a QBs legs once you were on the ground? Prior to Sanchez getting sacked, it is ABUNDANTLY clear that a DL is lunging and clinging to Sanchez' leg.

In the rulebook, under player conduct, roughing the passer, article 8, Note 2

It is not a foul if the defender swipes, wraps, or grabs a passer in the knee area or below in an attempt to tackle him.

I'm willing to bet that if it was Brady in that situation the roughing the passer call would've been made.

 

[Sea Duck]

Refs blew the whistle early on a DeAngelo Williams touchdown run.......then called it a touchdown anyway.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Not a bad call, but an absolute debacle in the Fins/Colts game. There was some confusion on how to enforce a penalty and the refs spotted the ball, wound the clock, and then blew the whistle to discuss it 4 consecutive times. It took forever, they kept re-spotting the ball and letting everyone line up and then blowing it dead again to have another conference. The last time, the head ref didn't realize that he still had his mic on and he cursed into the microphone (when yelling at one of the other refs) for the whole stadium and TV audience to hear.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Not a bad call, but an absolute debacle in the Fins/Colts game. There was some confusion on how to enforce a penalty and the refs spotted the ball, wound the clock, and then blew the whistle to discuss it 4 consecutive times. It took forever, they kept re-spotting the ball and letting everyone line up and then blowing it dead again to have another conference. The last time, the head ref didn't realize that he still had his mic on and he cursed into the microphone (when yelling at one of the other refs) for the whole stadium and TV audience to hear.

Followed up by a horrible holding call that cost the Fins 40 yards with 2 minutes left in the game. Brutal.

 

[BassNBrew]

Not a bad call, but an absolute debacle in the Fins/Colts game. There was some confusion on how to enforce a penalty and the refs spotted the ball, wound the clock, and then blew the whistle to discuss it 4 consecutive times. It took forever, they kept re-spotting the ball and letting everyone line up and then blowing it dead again to have another conference. The last time, the head ref didn't realize that he still had his mic on and he cursed into the microphone (when yelling at one of the other refs) for the whole stadium and TV audience to hear.

Followed up by a horrible holding call that cost the Fins 40 yards with 2 minutes left in the game. Brutal.

No one cares. No can thank all the guys giving the league crap earlier in the year for saddling us with poor officiating for the next decade.

 

[belljr]

The ref in the giants game is one of the worst in the league, imo. His crew is always bad

 

[CrazyFox]

Just started watching the Giants and Steelers and several really bad calls so far....and non calls...that have pretty much handed the Gaints 14 points.

 

[Pipes]

Horrible call

 

[Sea Duck]

It's bad enough that they blew the Roethlisberger "fumble", but they completely missed the clipping foul on Heath Miller.

 

[sporthenry]

This Giants game is really fun to watch the refs move the ball for them. First scoring drive, 41 yards on a phantom PI call and a blow to the head (if his head is on his shoulder).

ETA: 88 yards of penalty against the Steelers in 1 quarter. Boy football is exciting with these new rules.

And I'd be remiss not to mention the refs who wouldn't allow the Panthers to hike the ball until they counted the number of players and by then, it was a delay of game.

 

[BassNBrew]

It's bad enough that they blew the Roethlisberger "fumble", but they completely missed the clipping foul on Heath Miller.

I'll never watch another game until Goodell fixes this.

 

[Sarnoff]

:footballs:

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Pretty horrific stretch there. Switching between 3 games and couldn't go 10 seconds into any of the three without a huge screwup.

First Doug Martin loses the ball about a half yard deep in the endzone. They miss it live and rule it a fumble, not a TD. It happens. But then somehow they let it stand on replay. Wtf.

Then the Jags/Texans game the officials do a repeat of what they did last week. Spot the ball, then blow it dead and huddle. Spot the ball, then blow it dead and huddle. Spot the ball, then blow it dead and huddle. Just like last week, this was during a 2 minute drill at the end of the game. Yikes.

Flip to Browns/Cowboys and, with a minute left, the Cowboys are getting flagged for a horse collar for tackling a guy by his dreads, which is explicitly legal and not a horsecollar.

 

[sho nuff]

Packers/Lions...some ticky tack holds early...missed facemask on Suh early in the game on a run.

Missed defensive hold on a GB third down.

Followed by a missed PI or defensive hold on a Detroit 3rd and goal.

 

[loose circuits]

this call in the Oakland game is huge. Sanu fumbled and Oak would have scored a DTD but they blew whistle early.

The people that were clamoring for these guys to be paid wasted a bunch of NFL cash. These guys are nearly as bad

 

[loose circuits]

go figure, a brawl breaks out immediately following that play and refs lose complete control

 

[ShaqAttaq]

Horrible roughing the passer call on seattle negated an interceotion and handed miami a TD

 

[packseasontix]

Nice pass interference calls today both in the Bears game (1st half in the end zone with Marshall) as well as the Buffalo game (2:00 to go in the game)

Also missed the Vikings blind side block in the first half as well. Vikings fans would say it was a normal play but he did exactly what the NFL doesnt want.

 

[mad sweeney]

Nice pass interference calls today both in the Bears game (1st half in the end zone with Marshall) as well as the Buffalo game (2:00 to go in the game)

Also missed the Vikings blind side block in the first half as well. Vikings fans would say it was a normal play but he did exactly what the NFL doesnt want.

I can't see how anyone could possibly say that. Just watched it and it should be a suspension. Blindside to start with and then the guy launched himself off his feet to hit Louis straight in the head. No place for those kind of hits.

 

[pecorino]

not sure if they were bad calls, per se, but the refs in the steelers/browns game went on a spree calling holding penalties. seems like that call has been inconsistently applied this year, imo. maybe this is nothing new?

 

[General Tso]

Saints/49ers game - the Saints first TD - pass to Dave Thomas who falls untouched at the 1 and rolls 2 yards into the end zone before he is touched. Not one of the refs on the field signals touchdown. Are these guys frigging blind? Another touchdown where you can't celebrate until one minutes after the play occurs, and during that time even Troy Aikman in the booths saying "his knee was clearly down at the 1". It's maddening what the NFL has become.

 

[sporthenry]

Saints/49ers game - the Saints first TD - pass to Dave Thomas who falls untouched at the 1 and rolls 2 yards into the end zone before he is touched. Not one of the refs on the field signals touchdown. Are these guys frigging blind? Another touchdown where you can't celebrate until one minutes after the play occurs, and during that time even Troy Aikman in the booths saying "his knee was clearly down at the 1". It's maddening what the NFL has become.

They got the call right on the field eventually and the delay was probably 30 seconds. This is just nitpicking. I think this is what we'd want from all officials in any sports, to come together and get the call right.

 

[sporthenry]

 

[pecorino]

i was at the steelers game today, flabbergasted by the celebration penalty called on keisel after a 1st quarter sack. so he has done this little routine all year but on this one particular key play, the refs throw a flag? did anyone hear a legit reason on the TV?

 

[HughHoney]

i was at the steelers game today, flabbergasted by the celebration penalty called on keisel after a 1st quarter sack. so he has done this little routine all year but on this one particular key play, the refs throw a flag? did anyone hear a legit reason on the TV?

His knee touching the ground is "going to the ground in celebration". It's illegal. The refs miss it every time he does it and they finally called it today. If he keeps his knee an inch off the ground it wouldn't be a penalty.

 

[stbugs]

Some terrible personal fouls called. First, the one on the Panthers hit of Carson Palmer that knocked him out. They hit him as he was releasing the ball and there was no touching of Palmer's helmet or roughing after the hits. The helmet of one player "touched" Palmer but it was as he was wrapping his arms around him and it wasn't spearing. Its almost like they hit him too hard. Same thing in tonight's game, they called hitting a defenseless receiver against Vernon Davis. So, it is hitting a defensless receiver when you hit him (no spearing or helmet to helmet) and knock the ball out of his hands? Isn't it supposed to be defenseless when the WR doesn't have the ball or is already down? You can't tackle people anymore?

I understand the need to protect players, but either they need to be able to review penalties or the refs need to actually call them correctly. A big hit <> a penalty, especially when it makes a play.

 

[pecorino]

i was at the steelers game today, flabbergasted by the celebration penalty called on keisel after a 1st quarter sack. so he has done this little routine all year but on this one particular key play, the refs throw a flag? did anyone hear a legit reason on the TV?

His knee touching the ground is "going to the ground in celebration". It's illegal. The refs miss it every time he does it and they finally called it today. If he keeps his knee an inch off the ground it wouldn't be a penalty.

thanks for the info. and Wow, that it is all kinds of stupid.

 

[ImTheScientist]

http://media.lockerdome.com/uploads/1c4ade33f900a9c14e3e6924d99e65c2_large

Totally legal hit, just hit Vernon Davis too hard I guess.

 

[mad sweeney]

i was at the steelers game today, flabbergasted by the celebration penalty called on keisel after a 1st quarter sack. so he has done this little routine all year but on this one particular key play, the refs throw a flag? did anyone hear a legit reason on the TV?

His knee touching the ground is "going to the ground in celebration". It's illegal. The refs miss it every time he does it and they finally called it today. If he keeps his knee an inch off the ground it wouldn't be a penalty.

thanks for the info. and Wow, that it is all kinds of stupid.

They did it to Jared Allen last year as well. It's stupid, but there's no excuse for the player not to know the rule.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Reggie Bush got a touchdown despite the reviews clearly showing his foot out of bounds. Refs even upheld it on review.

 

[mad sweeney]

Reggie Bush got a touchdown despite the reviews clearly showing his foot out of bounds. Refs even upheld it on review.

That's two for him then.

 

[bryhamm]

http://media.lockerdome.com/uploads/1c4ade33f900a9c14e3e6924d99e65c2_large Totally legal hit, just hit Vernon Davis too hard I guess.

I tuned into the game just in time to catch a reply of the hit and heard the announcers saying that it was legal (which I agree with) but that a flag was thrown. What was the official call?Terrible that that hit resulted in a flag.

 

[mad sweeney]

http://media.lockerdome.com/uploads/1c4ade33f900a9c14e3e6924d99e65c2_large Totally legal hit, just hit Vernon Davis too hard I guess.

I tuned into the game just in time to catch a reply of the hit and heard the announcers saying that it was legal (which I agree with) but that a flag was thrown. What was the official call?Terrible that that hit resulted in a flag.

Defenseless receiver. Thing is, there were at least two other (these two happened to be Seattle receivers but I'm not claiming bias, I'm sure there were others I just don't remember) hits that were pretty much the exact same but weren't as hard. Receiver gets hit right when he catches ball. But because Davis was on the sidelines and went down hard its a flag? Id be ok with the flag if Bam Bam hit Davis in the head, but it was perfect shoulder to chest. Horrible implementation of the defenseless receiver rule this year. Needs to be fixed.

 

[bryhamm]

http://media.lockerdome.com/uploads/1c4ade33f900a9c14e3e6924d99e65c2_large

Totally legal hit, just hit Vernon Davis too hard I guess.

I tuned into the game just in time to catch a reply of the hit and heard the announcers saying that it was legal (which I agree with) but that a flag was thrown. What was the official call?Terrible that that hit resulted in a flag.

Defenseless receiver. Thing is, there were at least two other (these two happened to be Seattle receivers but I'm not claiming bias, I'm sure there were others I just don't remember) hits that were pretty much the exact same but weren't as hard. Receiver gets hit right when he catches ball. But because Davis was on the sidelines and went down hard its a flag? Id be ok with the flag if Bam Bam hit Davis in the head, but it was perfect shoulder to chest. Horrible implementation of the defenseless receiver rule this year. Needs to be fixed.

Are you kidding me?!?! Such horse crap. VD hadn't made the catch yet and the defender was doing what he could (should) do to prevent the catch. I could MAYBE understand the call if the ball sailed over VD's head (ie was uncatchable). But I agree with you that it needs to be fixed.

 

[BassNBrew]

http://tracking.si.com/2013/09/10/nfl-refs-made-incorrect-call-chargers-texans-game/

The NFL said Tuesday that the officials in Monday night’s game between the Houston Texans and San Diego Chargers made an officiating error, marking the third time the league admitted fault with a call in Week 1.

I'm so glad media and others forced the NFLs hand last year. I can somewhat understand out of shape part time refs missing calls, but these guys just don't know the rules. This is the exact reason why the NFL wanted these guys to move towards a full time job rather than a hobby.

 

[GroveDiesel]

http://tracking.si.com/2013/09/10/nfl-refs-made-incorrect-call-chargers-texans-game/

The NFL said Tuesday that the officials in Monday nights game between the Houston Texans and San Diego Chargers made an officiating error, marking the third time the league admitted fault with a call in Week 1.

I'm so glad media and others forced the NFLs hand last year. I can somewhat understand out of shape part time refs missing calls, but these guys just don't know the rules. This is the exact reason why the NFL wanted these guys to move towards a full time job rather than a hobby.

Lol. Remember the screaming and hysterics last year after the GB vs. Seattle controversy? Where is Peter King on the Niners winning due to an extra down? Where's Mike Florio having an aneurism about how the players are going to be hurt because the refs don't know the rules? The media is a joke. Especially Peter King and Mike Florio.

 

[RUSF18]

http://tracking.si.com/2013/09/10/nfl-refs-made-incorrect-call-chargers-texans-game/

The NFL said Tuesday that the officials in Monday nights game between the Houston Texans and San Diego Chargers made an officiating error, marking the third time the league admitted fault with a call in Week 1.

I'm so glad media and others forced the NFLs hand last year. I can somewhat understand out of shape part time refs missing calls, but these guys just don't know the rules. This is the exact reason why the NFL wanted these guys to move towards a full time job rather than a hobby.

Lol. Remember the screaming and hysterics last year after the GB vs. Seattle controversy? Where is Peter King on the Niners winning due to an extra down? Where's Mike Florio having an aneurism about how the players are going to be hurt because the refs don't know the rules? The media is a joke. Especially Peter King and Mike Florio.

Slow your role there.

 

[GroveDiesel]

http://tracking.si.com/2013/09/10/nfl-refs-made-incorrect-call-chargers-texans-game/

The NFL said Tuesday that the officials in Monday nights game between the Houston Texans and San Diego Chargers made an officiating error, marking the third time the league admitted fault with a call in Week 1.

I'm so glad media and others forced the NFLs hand last year. I can somewhat understand out of shape part time refs missing calls, but these guys just don't know the rules. This is the exact reason why the NFL wanted these guys to move towards a full time job rather than a hobby.

Lol. Remember the screaming and hysterics last year after the GB vs. Seattle controversy? Where is Peter King on the Niners winning due to an extra down? Where's Mike Florio having an aneurism about how the players are going to be hurt because the refs don't know the rules? The media is a joke. Especially Peter King and Mike Florio.

Slow your role there.

You're right, there were more variables in play still, but that difference changes the odds pretty considerably.

 

[matttyl]

http://tracking.si.com/2013/09/10/nfl-refs-made-incorrect-call-chargers-texans-game/

The NFL said Tuesday that the officials in Monday nights game between the Houston Texans and San Diego Chargers made an officiating error, marking the third time the league admitted fault with a call in Week 1.

I'm so glad media and others forced the NFLs hand last year. I can somewhat understand out of shape part time refs missing calls, but these guys just don't know the rules. This is the exact reason why the NFL wanted these guys to move towards a full time job rather than a hobby.

Lol. Remember the screaming and hysterics last year after the GB vs. Seattle controversy? Where is Peter King on the Niners winning due to an extra down? Where's Mike Florio having an aneurism about how the players are going to be hurt because the refs don't know the rules? The media is a joke. Especially Peter King and Mike Florio.

Slow your role there.

You're right, there were more variables in play still, but that difference changes the odds pretty considerably.

If that play were officiated properly all the way through, it wouldn't have been a "double foul" at all - only one on Mathews. If anything, he should have received a 2nd penalty instead of Staley getting any penalty. Might be the rare instance where 2 wrongs did equal a right?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

http://tracking.si.com/2013/09/10/nfl-refs-made-incorrect-call-chargers-texans-game/

The NFL said Tuesday that the officials in Monday night’s game between the Houston Texans and San Diego Chargers made an officiating error, marking the third time the league admitted fault with a call in Week 1.

I'm so glad media and others forced the NFLs hand last year. I can somewhat understand out of shape part time refs missing calls, but these guys just don't know the rules. This is the exact reason why the NFL wanted these guys to move towards a full time job rather than a hobby.

If Sunday's crew were replacement refs making the same exact calls as they did this week people would be going crazy over how bad it was. Now we just have to live with it. Terrible.

 

[BaBastage]

If that play were officiated properly all the way through, it wouldn't have been a "double foul" at all - only one on Mathews. If anything, he should have received a 2nd penalty instead of Staley getting any penalty. Might be the rare instance where 2 wrongs did equal a right?

The NFL announced that Staley should not have been penalized. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000241366/article/joe-staley-shouldnt-have-been-penalized-nfl-says

It can be used as an example of bad officiating, but certainly not by anyone claiming SF did not earn the win.

 

[GroveDiesel]

If that play were officiated properly all the way through, it wouldn't have been a "double foul" at all - only one on Mathews. If anything, he should have received a 2nd penalty instead of Staley getting any penalty. Might be the rare instance where 2 wrongs did equal a right?

The NFL announced that Staley should not have been penalized. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000241366/article/joe-staley-shouldnt-have-been-penalized-nfl-saysIt can be used as an example of bad officiating, but certainly not by anyone claiming SF did not earn the win.

I think this point is right and wrong at the same time. Do I think Staley deserved a penalty? No. Did he go over, get involved and grab Matthews? Yes. Did that make it a judgement call for the ref? Yes. Frankly, I think the NFL coming out and saying that Staley didn't deserve a personal foul was fairly unprecedented. And I think they did it specifically to make the other bad call a moot point. The controversy became much smaller because all of a sudden it didn't seem to matter that the ref had them replay the down. The NFL saying it wasn't a personal foul when there was clearly some confrontation and in a judgement call situation reeks of the NFL covering their butt.

Either way, we either have a horrendous call that potentially cost the Packers the game or the refs making a horrible call and then not even knowing the applicable penalty on top of that.

 

[RUSF18]

I get much less upset about the refs blowing a judgment call (the Staley penalty) than not being able to enforce the rules properly (giving the extra down). The latter seemed to be more of what we were dealing with last season. I just wanted to make sure we weren't playing the "GB would have won if that play was called correctly" card, as I'm 99% sure the Niners still would have gone for it on 4th and 2 there, not to mention everything else that happened later (which you pointed out).

 

[Raider Nation]

OOPS!

The Steelers should probably be in the playoffs next weekend.

 

[mad sweeney]

OOPS!

The Steelers should probably be in the playoffs next weekend.

Same ref as XL...

 

[Steeler]

OOPS!

The Steelers should probably be in the playoffs next weekend.

The Steelers should have taken care of their own business so they wouldn't have to worry about other teams helping them. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

 

[Zaphod]

OOPS!

The Steelers should probably be in the playoffs next weekend.

The Steelers should have taken care of their own business so they wouldn't have to worry about other teams helping them. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

While that is true, it still does suck for them to have it end that way.

 

[Godsbrother]

OOPS!

The Steelers should probably be in the playoffs next weekend.

The Steelers should have taken care of their own business so they wouldn't have to worry about other teams helping them. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

While that is true, it still does suck for them to have it end that way.

The Steelers blew way too many games and so they screwed themselves but the officiating for the San Diego / KC game was pretty bad.

 

[Sabertooth]

I can't see the photo that RN put up. What is it?