Bad calls by the REAL Refs today? (1 Viewer)

[Godsbrother]

The Chargers had too many guys on one side of the line on the missed FG attempt. Should have been 5 yard penalty on San Diego. Pretty obvious but missed by officials but given the state of officiating in the NFL not a surprise.

 

[BassNBrew]

OOPS!

The Steelers should probably be in the playoffs next weekend.

I too lazy to check, but weren't you the guy busting on me for supporting the NFL's position last year using the replacement refs? It may have been RaiderXXXXX.

 

[Disc Shark]

The Chargers had too many guys on one side of the line on the missed FG attempt. Should have been 5 yard penalty on San Diego. Pretty obvious but missed by officials but given the state of officiating in the NFL not a surprise.

Nope. From the picture RN posted, it looks to me like #7 (on the right end) is just off the line.

 

[Godsbrother]

The Chargers had too many guys on one side of the line on the missed FG attempt. Should have been 5 yard penalty on San Diego. Pretty obvious but missed by officials but given the state of officiating in the NFL not a surprise.

Nope. From the picture RN posted, it looks to me like #7 (on the right end) is just off the line.

The NFL already admitted they blew the call. I don't have a link but that is what they are reporting on the radio.

Former Vice President of NFL Officiating, Mike Pereira, also said the officials botched two crucial calls in the Chargers/Chiefs game:

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2013/12/29/nfl-officials-get-two-calls-wrong-chiefs-loss-chargers/

That said the Steelers could have made it a moot point by winning some of the close games where they blew 4th quarter leads. If you let it come down to needing help then you have no one to blame but yourself.

 

[streets]

Ha Ha. Going to love the whining and complaining all off-season now.

 

[Godsbrother]

Ha Ha. Going to love the whining and complaining all off-season now.

No one is whining. The Steelers screwed themselves and don't deserve to be in the playoffs.

Just pointing out a bad call is all.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

the sad part about the "too many guys on one side" thing is that there are not one, but two, referees standing right behind the d-line....it's so off balanced it's not even funny....I can promise you that it is the responsibility of at least one if not both of those guys to key (count) the guys on each side.....in fact if you watch enough football, you often see these guys come in on PAT and FG attempts and actually move guys (away from the center, etc) around prior to the kick........

 

[Raider Nation]

OOPS!

The Steelers should probably be in the playoffs next weekend.

I too lazy to check, but weren't you the guy busting on me for supporting the NFL's position last year using the replacement refs? It may have been RaiderXXXXX.

Well you got me there. But your refs wouldn't have thrown a flag if SD had 16 guys on defense.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Ha Ha. Going to love the whining and complaining all off-season now.

I have absolutely no connection to either the Steelers or Chargers, and I was completely indifferent about which team got the last playoff spot. (I was just happy to see Miami crash and burn). That said, as a fan of the league it's sickening to see a playoff berth determined directly by horrible officiating. I know the Chiefs don't care that they had this game taken away from them, but it doesn't make it right.

 

[streets]

Ha Ha. Going to love the whining and complaining all off-season now.

No one is whining. The Steelers screwed themselves and don't deserve to be in the playoffs.

Just pointing out a bad call is all.

Wasn't singling you out.

 

[T with T]

the sad part about the "too many guys on one side" thing is that there are not one, but two, referees standing right behind the d-line....it's so off balanced it's not even funny....I can promise you that it is the responsibility of at least one if not both of those guys to key (count) the guys on each side.....in fact if you watch enough football, you often see these guys come in on PAT and FG attempts and actually move guys (away from the center, etc) around prior to the kick........

yea I know I watched the replay 2 refs standing right behind the line looking right at their asses.... how can that be missed but a chinsy holding call on the opposite side of the line that didn't affect the play at all is called... Poor officiating in the NFL and stupid rule changes makes the NFL almost unwatchable.... just terrible. They screwed PITT.... I guarantee you Succup makes the 36 yard fg after the 5 yard penalty is tacked on

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

If not for game-deciding blown calls admitted by the league, the Chargers would be 9-7 and in the playoffs over the Steelers. The Chiefs game cancels out the Texans game.

 

[Jake22]

Ha Ha. Going to love the whining and complaining all off-season now.

I'm a diehard Steeler fan my whole life (I'm 47) and I'm not whining about this. When you win Six Super Bowls and lose two you know there's ups and downs every year and you role with them, that's just how the NFL is. This is a football forum and it's (SD/KC game) gonna get talked about, that's the nature of this forum.

If the Steelers were good enough they would not have to rely on three other teams losing to get into the playoffs, that's all that needs to be said.

The real topic here is not who got screwed, it's how bad the refs in the NFL can be on a weekly basis, and that is gonna be talked about all the time in here...

 

[Not Sleeping]

If not for game-deciding blown calls admitted by the league, the Chargers would be 9-7 and in the playoffs over the Steelers. The Chiefs game cancels out the Texans game.

 

[ROCKET]

Steelers probably did get hosed on the call just as the Seahawks were screwed out of a possible SB vs them. My point is that it evens out. My favorite example as a lifelong Pats fan was the tuck rule and the bogus roughing the passer call on sugarbear Hamilton vs the Raiders. Poetic justice IMO. It doesn't make any of these things right but they do seem to have a way of evening out for the most part.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Ha Ha. Going to love the whining and complaining all off-season now.

I'm a diehard Steeler fan my whole life (I'm 47) and I'm not whining about this. When you win Six Super Bowls and lose two you know there's ups and downs every year and you role with them, that's just how the NFL is. This is a football forum and it's (SD/KC game) gonna get talked about, that's the nature of this forum.

If the Steelers were good enough they would not have to rely on three other teams losing to get into the playoffs, that's all that needs to be said.

The real topic here is not who got screwed, it's how bad the refs in the NFL can be on a weekly basis, and that is gonna be talked about all the time in here...

you know...thing is...I am an official myself....I have been officiating sports at the high school and small college level since 1993.....I take a ton of pride in what I do, as I am sure every single one of those guys does as well......I've had some sleepless nights when I have maybe second guessed myself on some calls I have made (or not made) and thinking that I may have somehow impacted a game or the result of a game.....

I can't imagine what that crew is thinking right now (specifically the official/officials assigned to count the players and enforce that specific rule on kick plays) and what kind of heat they are receiving from the officials association, etc......it has to be brutal....there is no guarantee Succop makes the next kick, but let's be honest, the odds are probably pretty good that he makes it.....not enforcing that rule directly impacted a result of the most popular sport in the country.....possibly people's jobs, etc.....

and I'm sorry, but I'm not in the corner of of PIT should have taken care of business themselves, etc.....PIT did what they needed to do....and as the Ravens showed us last year, all you need to do is "get in" and you never know what happens.....

it's one thing to screw up a judgement call.....a 50/50 call that could go either way.....it's another thing to miss the easy stuff that ISN'T a judgement call.....the officials count players on every play and signal to each other they are "good" meaning 11 on each side, etc.....somebody was "assigned" to count the players on the side of the ball in this situation and they either failed to do so, or decided to "pass" on enforcing it....it was an obvious call....with the ball on the right hash, SD had no reason to have anybody lined up to the left of the snapper....they had a couple token guys over there, but the fact that the right side was so overloaded should have been an automatic indicator that they need to take a look and make sure it was a legal formation....

while it doesn't really matter to me....as a felllow official, it kind of bugs me to see these guys miss the obvious ones.....they have a tough job, but this one was inexcuseable....

 

[Steeler]

and I'm sorry, but I'm not in the corner of of PIT should have taken care of business themselves, etc.....PIT did what they needed to do....

Obviously they didn't do enough or they would be in the playoffs. This series of events just happened last which gives the appearance that the Steelers did enough to get in. I'm just saying there were way more opportunities for the Steelers to control their own fate through 16 games and blaming this event is misplaced.

 

[sporthenry]

For everyone who brushes it off as PIT should have taken care of business, what if PIT played SD straight up yesterday and suffered through those bad calls? Does that change your tune?

It just seems people dismiss the bad call b/c it didn't happen directly to Pittsburgh.

 

[Warrior]

For everyone who brushes it off as PIT should have taken care of business, what if PIT played SD straight up yesterday and suffered through those bad calls? Does that change your tune?

It just seems people dismiss the bad call b/c it didn't happen directly to Pittsburgh.

Read the post a few above yours. Similar blown call in the other direction in the Houston game.

Get over it.

 

[Steeler]

For everyone who brushes it off as PIT should have taken care of business, what if PIT played SD straight up yesterday and suffered through those bad calls? Does that change your tune?

It just seems people dismiss the bad call b/c it didn't happen directly to Pittsburgh.

There are approx. 120 to 150 plays in an NFL game... I don't like blaming one play that happened to come at the end of the game. KC (and by association PIT) had plenty of opportunities to not be a "victim" of a bad call... hell, Succop should have made the FG attempt and nobody would even know/care that SD lined up illegally.

 

[Ghost Rider]

That was a bad missed call, but there is no guarantee Succup makes the next one had the penalty been called.

The early whistle on the fumble in OT was much worse, IMO. Granted, that was more of a judgment call, but how many plays have we seen where the runner gets driving forward for extra yardage? But that one gets whistled quickly when the runner was still moving and eventually fumbled? Terrible.

 

[jonessed]

Ha Ha. Going to love the whining and complaining all off-season now.

I'm a diehard Steeler fan my whole life (I'm 47) and I'm not whining about this. When you win Six Super Bowls and lose two you know there's ups and downs every year and you role with them, that's just how the NFL is. This is a football forum and it's (SD/KC game) gonna get talked about, that's the nature of this forum.If the Steelers were good enough they would not have to rely on three other teams losing to get into the playoffs, that's all that needs to be said.

The real topic here is not who got screwed, it's how bad the refs in the NFL can be on a weekly basis, and that is gonna be talked about all the time in here...

you know...thing is...I am an official myself....I have been officiating sports at the high school and small college level since 1993.....I take a ton of pride in what I do, as I am sure every single one of those guys does as well......I've had some sleepless nights when I have maybe second guessed myself on some calls I have made (or not made) and thinking that I may have somehow impacted a game or the result of a game.....

I can't imagine what that crew is thinking right now (specifically the official/officials assigned to count the players and enforce that specific rule on kick plays) and what kind of heat they are receiving from the officials association, etc......it has to be brutal....there is no guarantee Succop makes the next kick, but let's be honest, the odds are probably pretty good that he makes it.....not enforcing that rule directly impacted a result of the most popular sport in the country.....possibly people's jobs, etc.....

and I'm sorry, but I'm not in the corner of of PIT should have taken care of business themselves, etc.....PIT did what they needed to do....and as the Ravens showed us last year, all you need to do is "get in" and you never know what happens.....

it's one thing to screw up a judgement call.....a 50/50 call that could go either way.....it's another thing to miss the easy stuff that ISN'T a judgement call.....the officials count players on every play and signal to each other they are "good" meaning 11 on each side, etc.....somebody was "assigned" to count the players on the side of the ball in this situation and they either failed to do so, or decided to "pass" on enforcing it....it was an obvious call....with the ball on the right hash, SD had no reason to have anybody lined up to the left of the snapper....they had a couple token guys over there, but the fact that the right side was so overloaded should have been an automatic indicator that they need to take a look and make sure it was a legal formation....

while it doesn't really matter to me....as a felllow official, it kind of bugs me to see these guys miss the obvious ones.....they have a tough job, but this one was inexcuseable....

I don't know why you guys are complaining. You can't go 8-8 and expect to get into the playoffs.

 

[Jake22]

For everyone who brushes it off as PIT should have taken care of business, what if PIT played SD straight up yesterday and suffered through those bad calls? Does that change your tune?

It just seems people dismiss the bad call b/c it didn't happen directly to Pittsburgh.

If it was YOUR team that got directly screwed by bad calls in the last game of the season where playoffs were on the line would you be talking about it in here? The reason Steeler fans dismiss those calls is because we've been in enough playoffs to know when you deserve to get there or you back your way in by some kind of luck, big difference.

 

[bryhamm]

Steelers probably did get hosed on the call just as the Seahawks were screwed out of a possible SB vs them. My point is that it evens out. My favorite example as a lifelong Pats fan was the tuck rule and the bogus roughing the passer call on sugarbear Hamilton vs the Raiders. Poetic justice IMO. It doesn't make any of these things right but they do seem to have a way of evening out for the most part.

For the love of god, just let it rest

 

[ROCKET]

Steelers probably did get hosed on the call just as the Seahawks were screwed out of a possible SB vs them. My point is that it evens out. My favorite example as a lifelong Pats fan was the tuck rule and the bogus roughing the passer call on sugarbear Hamilton vs the Raiders. Poetic justice IMO. It doesn't make any of these things right but they do seem to have a way of evening out for the most part.

For the love of god, just let it rest

You do realize this thread is about bad calls and I'm not just bringing that subject into the conversation?

 

[ROCKET]

Steelers probably did get hosed on the call just as the Seahawks were screwed out of a possible SB vs them. My point is that it evens out. My favorite example as a lifelong Pats fan was the tuck rule and the bogus roughing the passer call on sugarbear Hamilton vs the Raiders. Poetic justice IMO. It doesn't make any of these things right but they do seem to have a way of evening out for the most part.

For the love of god, just let it rest

You do realize this thread is about bad calls and I'm not just bringing that subject into the conversation? The team(s) involved are irrelevant.

 

[biju]

Steelers probably did get hosed on the call just as the Seahawks were screwed out of a possible SB vs them. My point is that it evens out. My favorite example as a lifelong Pats fan was the tuck rule and the bogus roughing the passer call on sugarbear Hamilton vs the Raiders. Poetic justice IMO. It doesn't make any of these things right but they do seem to have a way of evening out for the most part.

For the love of god, just let it rest

You do realize this thread is about bad calls and I'm not just bringing that subject into the conversation?

As a Seahawks fan I would love to see this narrative die a horrible death and be put to rest. Nothing anyone says is going to change the outcome and there is no way of knowing if the calls were reversed Seattle would have won the game. Steelers won; we lost. Everyone needs to let it go. I'd prefer to focus on the fact that the Seahawks are trying to work their way back there.

 

[ROCKET]

Steelers probably did get hosed on the call just as the Seahawks were screwed out of a possible SB vs them. My point is that it evens out. My favorite example as a lifelong Pats fan was the tuck rule and the bogus roughing the passer call on sugarbear Hamilton vs the Raiders. Poetic justice IMO. It doesn't make any of these things right but they do seem to have a way of evening out for the most part.

For the love of god, just let it rest

You do realize this thread is about bad calls and I'm not just bringing that subject into the conversation?

As a Seahawks fan I would love to see this narrative die a horrible death and be put to rest. Nothing anyone says is going to change the outcome and there is no way of knowing if the calls were reversed Seattle would have won the game. Steelers won; we lost. Everyone needs to let it go. I'd prefer to focus on the fact that the Seahawks are trying to work their way back there.

I was only making an analogy as to how calls have a way of evening out for teams. The Steelers benefited by some questionable calls in the SB and this week were burned by some questionable calls which most likely cost them a playoff spot. Just because there are sensitive fans of both teams that have had some silly squabbles in the past has no bearing on my thoughts or comments.

 

[moondog]

If not for game-deciding blown calls admitted by the league, the Chargers would be 9-7 and in the playoffs over the Steelers. The Chiefs game cancels out the Texans game.

The Chargers-Texans was the first game of the season.

The Chargers held a 28-7 lead with 4+ minutes left in the 3rd quarter. The Chargers did not score again. The Chargers had five more possessions after this point and gained a total of 2 yards ( 4 punts and one pick 6) in the final 19 minutes of the game.

They were leading 28-14 when the penalty was called on the Chargers for hitting the snapper on a Texans field goal attempt. An unnecessary roughness penalty was called for making contact with the center. This gave Houston a first and goal at the 9 - they scored on the next play to make it 28-21. The NFL said this penalty should not have been called because the contact was incidental. There was 14:44 left in the game at this point. The final score was 31-28. Did the penalty affect the game - Absolutely. Calling it the game-deciding play is a stretch since the Chargers had 4 more possessions in the final 14:44 of the game and gained 1 yard total.

 

[Ghost Rider]

If not for game-deciding blown calls admitted by the league, the Chargers would be 9-7 and in the playoffs over the Steelers. The Chiefs game cancels out the Texans game.

The Chargers-Texans was the first game of the season.

The Chargers held a 28-7 lead with 4+ minutes left in the 3rd quarter. The Chargers did not score again. The Chargers had five more possessions after this point and gained a total of 2 yards ( 4 punts and one pick 6) in the final 19 minutes of the game.

They were leading 28-14 when the penalty was called on the Chargers for hitting the snapper on a Texans field goal attempt. An unnecessary roughness penalty was called for making contact with the center. This gave Houston a first and goal at the 9 - they scored on the next play to make it 28-21. The NFL said this penalty should not have been called because the contact was incidental. There was 14:44 left in the game at this point. The final score was 31-28. Did the penalty affect the game - Absolutely. Calling it the game-deciding play is a stretch since the Chargers had 4 more possessions in the final 14:44 of the game and gained 1 yard total.

Yep. You cannot say that the Chargers win that game for sure if that penalty is not called. If it becomes 28-17 instead of 28-21, the Texans likely go for 2 when they make it 28-23, instead of it being 28-28, and depending on it being 28-23 or 28-25, that changes how the Texans play that last drive.

 

[SteelerMurf]

If not for game-deciding blown calls admitted by the league, the Chargers would be 9-7 and in the playoffs over the Steelers. The Chiefs game cancels out the Texans game.

The Chargers-Texans was the first game of the season. The Chargers held a 28-7 lead with 4+ minutes left in the 3rd quarter. The Chargers did not score again. The Chargers had five more possessions after this point and gained a total of 2 yards ( 4 punts and one pick 6) in the final 19 minutes of the game.

They were leading 28-14 when the penalty was called on the Chargers for hitting the snapper on a Texans field goal attempt. An unnecessary roughness penalty was called for making contact with the center. This gave Houston a first and goal at the 9 - they scored on the next play to make it 28-21. The NFL said this penalty should not have been called because the contact was incidental. There was 14:44 left in the game at this point. The final score was 31-28. Did the penalty affect the game - Absolutely. Calling it the game-deciding play is a stretch since the Chargers had 4 more possessions in the final 14:44 of the game and gained 1 yard total.

Refs blew game really only applies to last procession type stuff as you said. Texans game not even close to that

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

If not for game-deciding blown calls admitted by the league, the Chargers would be 9-7 and in the playoffs over the Steelers. The Chiefs game cancels out the Texans game.

The Chargers-Texans was the first game of the season.

The Chargers held a 28-7 lead with 4+ minutes left in the 3rd quarter. The Chargers did not score again. The Chargers had five more possessions after this point and gained a total of 2 yards ( 4 punts and one pick 6) in the final 19 minutes of the game.

They were leading 28-14 when the penalty was called on the Chargers for hitting the snapper on a Texans field goal attempt. An unnecessary roughness penalty was called for making contact with the center. This gave Houston a first and goal at the 9 - they scored on the next play to make it 28-21. The NFL said this penalty should not have been called because the contact was incidental. There was 14:44 left in the game at this point. The final score was 31-28. Did the penalty affect the game - Absolutely. Calling it the game-deciding play is a stretch since the Chargers had 4 more possessions in the final 14:44 of the game and gained 1 yard total.

Yep. You cannot say that the Chargers win that game for sure if that penalty is not called. If it becomes 28-17 instead of 28-21, the Texans likely go for 2 when they make it 28-23, instead of it being 28-28, and depending on it being 28-23 or 28-25, that changes how the Texans play that last drive.

You cannot say for sure that Succup would have made the second attempt. Nothing is for sure -- but certain things are pretty darn likely. I think "pretty darn likely" is an appropriate standard to use here, and the Texans game fits that.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

For everyone who brushes it off as PIT should have taken care of business, what if PIT played SD straight up yesterday and suffered through those bad calls? Does that change your tune?

It just seems people dismiss the bad call b/c it didn't happen directly to Pittsburgh.

If Pittsburgh would have been playing SD straight up, there's no way the refs would have missed that call. They get paid not to miss subtle holds and phantom PI's when Pittsburgh is playing.

The ref must not have been aware that this game could impact Pittsburgh.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

 

[Godsbrother]

For everyone who brushes it off as PIT should have taken care of business, what if PIT played SD straight up yesterday and suffered through those bad calls? Does that change your tune?

It just seems people dismiss the bad call b/c it didn't happen directly to Pittsburgh.

If Pittsburgh would have been playing SD straight up, there's no way the refs would have missed that call. They get paid not to miss subtle holds and phantom PI's when Pittsburgh is playing.

The ref must not have been aware that this game could impact Pittsburgh.

 

[Rove!]

The irony is that the last time the NFL tried to take steps to improve officiating, they went on strike and there was a a three week media blitz to convince all the dumb mopes out there that the real refs were actually very good.....and it worked

 

[Zaphod]

Ha Ha. Going to love the whining and complaining all off-season now.

I'm a diehard Steeler fan my whole life (I'm 47) and I'm not whining about this. When you win Six Super Bowls and lose two you know there's ups and downs every year and you role with them, that's just how the NFL is. This is a football forum and it's (SD/KC game) gonna get talked about, that's the nature of this forum.If the Steelers were good enough they would not have to rely on three other teams losing to get into the playoffs, that's all that needs to be said.

The real topic here is not who got screwed, it's how bad the refs in the NFL can be on a weekly basis, and that is gonna be talked about all the time in here...

you know...thing is...I am an official myself....I have been officiating sports at the high school and small college level since 1993.....I take a ton of pride in what I do, as I am sure every single one of those guys does as well......I've had some sleepless nights when I have maybe second guessed myself on some calls I have made (or not made) and thinking that I may have somehow impacted a game or the result of a game.....

I can't imagine what that crew is thinking right now (specifically the official/officials assigned to count the players and enforce that specific rule on kick plays) and what kind of heat they are receiving from the officials association, etc......it has to be brutal....there is no guarantee Succop makes the next kick, but let's be honest, the odds are probably pretty good that he makes it.....not enforcing that rule directly impacted a result of the most popular sport in the country.....possibly people's jobs, etc.....

and I'm sorry, but I'm not in the corner of of PIT should have taken care of business themselves, etc.....PIT did what they needed to do....and as the Ravens showed us last year, all you need to do is "get in" and you never know what happens.....

it's one thing to screw up a judgement call.....a 50/50 call that could go either way.....it's another thing to miss the easy stuff that ISN'T a judgement call.....the officials count players on every play and signal to each other they are "good" meaning 11 on each side, etc.....somebody was "assigned" to count the players on the side of the ball in this situation and they either failed to do so, or decided to "pass" on enforcing it....it was an obvious call....with the ball on the right hash, SD had no reason to have anybody lined up to the left of the snapper....they had a couple token guys over there, but the fact that the right side was so overloaded should have been an automatic indicator that they need to take a look and make sure it was a legal formation....

while it doesn't really matter to me....as a felllow official, it kind of bugs me to see these guys miss the obvious ones.....they have a tough job, but this one was inexcuseable....

I don't know why you guys are complaining. You can't go 8-8 and expect to get into the playoffs.

You quoted (and the assumption is also READ) all that, and THAT was the conclusion you came to?

I thought it was a decent post about the mindset of officials and the differences between a judgement call and a non-judgment call.

And yes, no matter what team you root for, officiating has been really tough to stomach this year.

 

[Hang 10]

Get ready to bump this thread this weekend, Tripplette's crew is working the Chargers/Bengals game.

 

[Bills_Fan11]

Ha Ha. Going to love the whining and complaining all off-season now.

I'm a diehard Steeler fan my whole life (I'm 47) and I'm not whining about this. When you win Six Super Bowls and lose two you know there's ups and downs every year and you role with them, that's just how the NFL is. This is a football forum and it's (SD/KC game) gonna get talked about, that's the nature of this forum.If the Steelers were good enough they would not have to rely on three other teams losing to get into the playoffs, that's all that needs to be said.

The real topic here is not who got screwed, it's how bad the refs in the NFL can be on a weekly basis, and that is gonna be talked about all the time in here...

you know...thing is...I am an official myself....I have been officiating sports at the high school and small college level since 1993.....I take a ton of pride in what I do, as I am sure every single one of those guys does as well......I've had some sleepless nights when I have maybe second guessed myself on some calls I have made (or not made) and thinking that I may have somehow impacted a game or the result of a game.....

I can't imagine what that crew is thinking right now (specifically the official/officials assigned to count the players and enforce that specific rule on kick plays) and what kind of heat they are receiving from the officials association, etc......it has to be brutal....there is no guarantee Succop makes the next kick, but let's be honest, the odds are probably pretty good that he makes it.....not enforcing that rule directly impacted a result of the most popular sport in the country.....possibly people's jobs, etc.....

and I'm sorry, but I'm not in the corner of of PIT should have taken care of business themselves, etc.....PIT did what they needed to do....and as the Ravens showed us last year, all you need to do is "get in" and you never know what happens.....

it's one thing to screw up a judgement call.....a 50/50 call that could go either way.....it's another thing to miss the easy stuff that ISN'T a judgement call.....the officials count players on every play and signal to each other they are "good" meaning 11 on each side, etc.....somebody was "assigned" to count the players on the side of the ball in this situation and they either failed to do so, or decided to "pass" on enforcing it....it was an obvious call....with the ball on the right hash, SD had no reason to have anybody lined up to the left of the snapper....they had a couple token guys over there, but the fact that the right side was so overloaded should have been an automatic indicator that they need to take a look and make sure it was a legal formation....

while it doesn't really matter to me....as a felllow official, it kind of bugs me to see these guys miss the obvious ones.....they have a tough job, but this one was inexcuseable....

I don't know why you guys are complaining. You can't go 8-8 and expect to get into the playoffs.

You quoted (and the assumption is also READ) all that, and THAT was the conclusion you came to?

I thought it was a decent post about the mindset of officials and the differences between a judgement call and a non-judgment call.

And yes, no matter what team you root for, officiating has been really tough to stomach this year.

IMO that mindset is a huge part of the problem - so many nfl apologists eat up this ridiculous narrative that there is no such thing as a bad holding or interference call/no-call because they're "judgement calls". Yet those are the ones that impact games more than any other by far (which incidentally is why replay is a massive waste of time but that's another topic)...I mean why not have your 6yr old daughter ref the NBA Finals since every foul in basketball is a judgement call of sorts.

 

[The Ref]

The irony is that the last time the NFL tried to take steps to improve officiating, they went on strike and there was a a three week media blitz to convince all the dumb mopes out there that the real refs were actually very good.....and it worked\

You have absolutely no idea how good these guys really are, and until you go put on a whistle and try it yourself you never will.

 

[Bills_Fan11]

The irony is that the last time the NFL tried to take steps to improve officiating, they went on strike and there was a a three week media blitz to convince all the dumb mopes out there that the real refs were actually very good.....and it worked\

You have absolutely no idea how good these guys really are, and until you go put on a whistle and try it yourself you never will.

That may be, but the pertinent point he's making is how much better they really are than the replacement guys - not how much better they are than himself.

I think it's a fair question that can't be answered by a cherry-picked, admittedly horrific call that happened to occur in primetime, against a wildly popular public team; which then caused the Steve Youngs to cry about the game's integrity being gone. How dare Steve Young say that without putting on a whistle!

 

[Rove!]

The irony is that the last time the NFL tried to take steps to improve officiating, they went on strike and there was a a three week media blitz to convince all the dumb mopes out there that the real refs were actually very good.....and it worked\

You have absolutely no idea how good these guys really are, and until you go put on a whistle and try it yourself you never will.

That may be, but the pertinent point he's making is how much better they really are than the replacement guys - not how much better than are than himself.

I think it's a fair question that can't be answered by a cherry-picked, admittedly horrific call that happened to occur in primetime, against a wildly popular public team; which then caused the Steve Youngs to cry about the game's integrity being gone. How dare Steve Young say that without putting on a whistle!

The replacement guys were way better.

These guys seem to blow at least one game result every week....

 

[Bills_Fan11]

The irony is that the last time the NFL tried to take steps to improve officiating, they went on strike and there was a a three week media blitz to convince all the dumb mopes out there that the real refs were actually very good.....and it worked\

You have absolutely no idea how good these guys really are, and until you go put on a whistle and try it yourself you never will.

That may be, but the pertinent point he's making is how much better they really are than the replacement guys - not how much better than are than himself.

I think it's a fair question that can't be answered by a cherry-picked, admittedly horrific call that happened to occur in primetime, against a wildly popular public team; which then caused the Steve Youngs to cry about the game's integrity being gone. How dare Steve Young say that without putting on a whistle!

The replacement guys were way better.

These guys seem to blow at least one game result every week....

I don't know about way better, but I definitely did not see an appreciable difference. Maybe the first 4 Bills games last yr were called better than average, I don't know...

That Ravens-Pats Sunday Night game had several bogus PI penalties that I recall; but ya I see that just about every week with the regular clowns too, so whatever.

 

[Raider Nation]

The irony is that the last time the NFL tried to take steps to improve officiating, they went on strike and there was a a three week media blitz to convince all the dumb mopes out there that the real refs were actually very good.....and it worked\

You have absolutely no idea how good these guys really are, and until you go put on a whistle and try it yourself you never will.

That may be, but the pertinent point he's making is how much better they really are than the replacement guys - not how much better than are than himself.

I think it's a fair question that can't be answered by a cherry-picked, admittedly horrific call that happened to occur in primetime, against a wildly popular public team; which then caused the Steve Youngs to cry about the game's integrity being gone. How dare Steve Young say that without putting on a whistle!

The replacement guys were way better.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The irony is that the last time the NFL tried to take steps to improve officiating, they went on strike and there was a a three week media blitz to convince all the dumb mopes out there that the real refs were actually very good.....and it worked\

You have absolutely no idea how good these guys really are, and until you go put on a whistle and try it yourself you never will.

How hard it is has nothing to do with it. What it has to do with is that a bunch of guys working full-time as referees with the ability to be disciplined on a weekly basis would ultimately end up much better than a bunch of a part-time workers who know they can't be disciplined until the next year.

People refused to see the long term gains in the face of the media blitz that fooled them into thinking that the regular refs had been doing a great job for the last 20 years, as if every call that the replacements (who weren't the long-term replacements anyway) missed would have been correct if only our flawless savior regular refs were around.

 

[jonessed]

Get ready to bump this thread this weekend, Tripplette's crew is working the Chargers/Bengals game.

That blows. How does that guy even get a playoff game?

 

[dutch]

I didn't have the interest to read the whole thread so I don't know if it's been posted yet but here is a rundown of all the NFL officiating crews for 2013:

2013 National Football League Roster

Following are the NFL officiating crews for the 2013 season, listed by uniform number, name, hometown and years in the league. Crews are listed in the following order: referee, umpire, head linesman, line judge, field judge, side judge, back judge.

66 Walt Anderson, Sugar Land, Texas, 18
44 Jeff Rice, Ft. Myers, Fla., 19
22 Steve Stelljes, Derby, Ky.,12
18 Byron Boston, Humble, Texas, 19
82 Buddy Horton, Tacoma, Wash., 15
72 Michael Banks, University Park, Ill., 12
2 Billy Smith, Miramar Beach, Fla.,2
34 Clete Blakeman, Omaha, Neb., 6
53 Garth DeFelice, San Diego, 16
36 Tony Veteri, Ridgefield, Conn., 22
107 Ron Marinucci, Cinnaminson, N.J., 17
118 David Meslow, Mahtomedi, Minn., 3
78 Greg Meyer, Ft. Worth, Texas, 12
111 Terrence Miles, Denver, 6

23 Jerome Boger, Conyers, Ga., 10
115 Tony Michalek, Evergreen Park, Ill, 12
134 Ed Camp, Oakland, N.J., 14
68 Tom Stephan, Lenexa, Kan., 15
109 Dyrol Prioleau, Bristow, Va., 7
56 Allen Baynes, Birmingham, Ala., 6

112 Tony Steratore, McMurray, Pa., 14

94 Mike Carey, San Diego, 24
31 Chad Brown, Carson, Calif., 22
26 Mark Baltz, Zionsville, Ind., 25
47 Tim Podraza, San Diego, 6
50 Mike Weir, Columbia, Mo., 12
67 Doug Rosenbaum, Normal, Ill., 13
6 Kirk Dornan, Des Moines, Wash., 20

51 Carl Cheffers, Whittier, Calif., 14
96 Undrey Wash, Duncanville, Texas, 14
79 Kent Payne, Aurora, Colo., 10
100 Tom Symonette, Windermere, Fla., 10
21 Jeff Lamberth, The Woodlands, Texas, 12
125 Laird Hayes, Newport Beach, Calif., 19
30 Todd Prukop, Rancho Santa, Margarita, Calif., 5

65 Walt Coleman, Mabelvale, Ark., 25
81 Roy Ellison, Windermere, Fla., 11
91 Jerry Bergman, Pittsburgh, 12
59 Rusty Baynes, Montgomery, Ala., 4
80 Greg Gautreaux, Lafayette, La., 12
15 Rick Patterson, Gaffney, S.C., 18
38 Greg Yette, Bowie, Md., 4

99 Tony Corrente, La Mirada, Calif., 19
11 Fred Bryan, South Minneapolis, Minn., 5
54 George Hayward, St. Joseph, Mo., 23
130 Darryll Lewis, Omaha, Neb., 15
60 Gary Cavaletto, Santa Barbara, Calif., 12
62 Ronald Torbert, West Bloomfield, Mich., 4
119 Greg Wilson, Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif., 6

19 Scott Green, Potomac Falls, Va., 23
102 Bruce Stritesky, Roanoke, Va., 8
24 Tom Stabile, Natrona Heights, Pa., 19
90 Mike Spanier, Sartell, Minn., 15
41 Boris Cheek, Charlotte, N.C., 18
128 Larry Rose, Ft. Myers, Fla., 17
93 Scott Helverson, Clive, Iowa, 11

85 Ed Hochuli, Phoenix, 24
49 Rich Hall, Tucson, Ariz., 10
28 Mark Hittner, Kansas City, Mo., 17
35 John Hussey, Huntington Beach, Calif., 12
4 Craig Wrolstad, Sumner, Wash., 11
7 Keith Washington, Bowie, Md., 6
126 Don Carey, San Diego, 19

127 Bill Leavy, San Jose, Calif., 19
71 Ruben Fowler, Del Valle, Texas, 8
5 John McGrath, Louisville, Ky., 12
9 Mark Perlman, Las Vegas, 13
86 Jimmy Buchanan, Ridgeland, Miss., 5
87 Keith Parham, Washington, D.C., 3
61 Keith Ferguson, San Jose, Calif., 14
77 Terry McAulay, Glenwood, Md., 16
70 Scott Dawson, Raleigh, N.C., 19
98 Greg Bradley, Carmel, Ind., 5
84 Mark Steinkerchner, Akron, Ohio, 20
43 Terry Brown, Knoxville, Tenn., 8
95 James Coleman, Pottstown, Pa., 9
27 Lee Dyer, Trenton, Ga., 11

135 Pete Morelli, Stockton, Calif., 17
76 Darrell Jenkins, Oakland, Calif., 12
8 Dana McKenzie, Zionsville, Ind., 6
101 Carl Johnson, Thibodaux, La., 10
89 Jon Lucivansky, Rochester, Minn., 5
75 Rob Vernatchi, Sacramento, Calif., 10
104 Dale Shaw, Holly Springs, Ga., 1

132 John Parry, Tallmadge, Ohio, 14
64 Dan Ferrell, Franklin, Tenn., 11
74 Derick Bowers, Ada, Okla., 11
29 Adrian Hill, Bowie, Md., 4
3 Scott Edwards, Blanco, Texas, 15
73 Joe Larrew, Bridgeton, Mo., 12
46 Perry Paganelli, Caledonia, Mich., 16

114 Gene Steratore, Washington, Pa., 11
129 Bill Schuster, Livonia, N.Y., 14
106 Wayne Mackie, Rosedale, N.Y., 7
45 Jeff Seeman, Chaska, Minn., 12
25 Bob Waggoner, Toledo, Ohio, 17
116 Mike Weatherford, Edmond, Okla., 12
105 Dino Paganelli, Wyoming, Mich., 8

42 Jeff Triplette, Oxford, Miss., 18
40 Butch Hannah, Hixson, Tenn., 15
110 Phil McKinnely, Alpharetta, Ga., 12
32 Jeff Bergman, Mars, Pa., 22
20 Barry Anderson, Atlanta, 7
16 Dave Wyant, Crozet, Va., 23
133 Steve Freeman, Oxford, Miss., 13

52 Bill Vinovich, Lake Forest, Calif., 9
121 Paul King, Worcester, Mass., 5
48 Jim Mello, North Andover, Mass., 10
10 Julian Mapp, East Point, Ga., 5
33 Steve Zimmer, Smithtown, N.Y., 17
58 Jimmy DeBell, Conesus, N.Y., 5
63 Jim Quirk, Holmdel, N.J., 4

14 Ron Winter, Kalamazoo, Mich., 19
124 Carl Paganelli, Grand Rapids, Mich., 14
37 Jim Howey, Lancaster, S.C., 15
108 Gary Arthur, Findlay, Ohio, 17
88 Scott Steenson, Fairview, Texas, 23
97 Tom Hill, Hackettstown, N.J., 15
12 Greg Steed, Mitchellville, Md., 11

 

[treat88]

Get ready to bump this thread this weekend, Tripplette's crew is working the Chargers/Bengals game.

No clue how his guy still draws an NFL paycheck.

 

[Raider Nation]

It's getting harder and harder to watch the NFL these days, and that really depresses me. That unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on Mitchell of the Panthers on San Francisco's first drive was complete horses--t. Total JOKE. Just get it over with and put dresses on all the players and make it 2-hand touch. We can all sit by our televisions drinking tea and cheering politely for lovely plays.

 

[Raider Nation]

Also, Munnerlyn gets flagged for headbutting Crabtree. Then Boldin headbutts a Panthers defender.... but that one's all good.