Bad calls by the REAL Refs today? (1 Viewer)

[IvanKaramazov]

Am I the only person who thinks that the running into the kicker penalty shouldn't have even drawn a flag in the first place? IIRC, the defender was laying on the ground already and the kicker happened to come down on the defender. Kickers and defenders make contact all the time without penalties being called, but for some reason everybody wants this one to be 15 yards.

 

[shadyridr]

Am I the only person who thinks that the running into the kicker penalty shouldn't have even drawn a flag in the first place? IIRC, the defender was laying on the ground already and the kicker happened to come down on the defender. Kickers and defenders make contact all the time without penalties being called, but for some reason everybody wants this one to be 15 yards.

i think youre the only one. If the rulebook states hitting the plant leg is roughing the kicker than thats pretty cut and dry IMO. Yeah he barely hit him and he still almost snapped his ankle which shows you why the rule is in the books in the first place

 

[Bills_Fan11]

Am I the only person who thinks that the running into the kicker penalty shouldn't have even drawn a flag in the first place? IIRC, the defender was laying on the ground already and the kicker happened to come down on the defender. Kickers and defenders make contact all the time without penalties being called, but for some reason everybody wants this one to be 15 yards.

Again, that "some reason" is 100% Mike Pereira and his Rainman like mastery of the letter of the law. Everyone then follows in lock step and pretends to be well versed in touching of the plant foot rules.

I'm fine with that being 5yards.

 

[Gargoylez]

I think any contact with the punter / kicker should draw a 15... heck if you breath on the QB it's 15... the Punter Kickers are defenseless.

That was a 15 yard penalty yesterday. PERIOD. By the letter of the law and by opinion.

Add into the fact both games had some really bad calls and some really bad no calls, I think it's time... especially when Mike Pereira agrees it was a bad call... you have to step back and say WHOA... even the ref fanboy is calling them out.

 

[bryhamm]

Totally unbiased observer here... The NFC Championship Game was horribly officiated. I saw three plays with my own eyes live that looked wrong, and as it turns out all three were wrong. And all three went against the 49ers. Feel bad for the Niners and their fans. Tough to play against 13 men.

Did you watch the first half. Seattle got jobbed on a couple soft penalties that killed drives.The only relevant call that went against the 49ers in the 2nd half was roughing vs running into the kicker. The turnover on the 1 yard line actually worked out better for them after the next play.

1. When the refs miss a turnover at the 1 yard line, it's big. Just because Carroll had a complete brain fart and went for it on 4th down and fumbled it, doesn't mean it wasn't a bad call on a very important play. Plus, let's give the Niners some credit for stuffing that run and forcing the fumble.2. The push off out of bounds was atrocious. And I believe that was in the first half. That was the most blatantly obvious bad call I saw.

3. The refs called an incomplete pass on 2nd and 12 when it should have been a catch by Boldin leaving a manageable 3rd and 3. Tha was a huge play at the time.

Once again, I've got no dog in this fight. Just calling it as I saw it, and it looked to me to be very lopsided.

Let's not.

 

[bryhamm]

Am I the only person who thinks that the running into the kicker penalty shouldn't have even drawn a flag in the first place? IIRC, the defender was laying on the ground already and the kicker happened to come down on the defender. Kickers and defenders make contact all the time without penalties being called, but for some reason everybody wants this one to be 15 yards.

You are crazy with the bolded. The kicker's ankle was rolled because the defender went into a PLANTED leg.

 

[mad sweeney]

Yes of course, just mystified by what looked like a simple strip of the ball and Bowman taking it an holding it when he went down. I have no idea why that would not be reviewable.

Whether it was a fumble is reviewable -- but the refs got that part right. It was a fumble.

The part they botched is determining who recovered the fumble. The rules say that's not reviewable. I'm not sure why. Maybe because possession often changes hands several times at the bottom of the pile and replay would generally be worthless to straighten that out.

In cases like today's situation, though, where the refs missed something on the field that was extremely obvious on replay, it really should be reviewable (and likely will be next year).

If I were the replay official up in the booth today, I would have buzzed down to the ref and told him, "The play isn't officially reviewable, but why don't you guys pretend to huddle up for a second and then rule that the 49ers recovered the fumble? It will save you a lot of grief. You're welcome in advance."

That last paragraph is bunk. In no situation ever would I want anyone except the person who has ultimate authority to make a decision like that making a determination and going outside the rules. I don't think anyone would legitimately want a third party doing that. I agree that this play should be reviewable and it sounds like it likely will be next year, but the refs need to be free of that kind of manipulation. I can't blame the refs for not seeing what happened in the pile and it's unfortunate that as the rules stand it isn't reviewable. There are many times when a fumble is recovered, the recoverer is down as seen by replay, but by the times the refs can get to it, it's changed possession.

I agree with Maurile. The important thing is getting the call right, especially when the correct call is 100% obvious to every observer.

That's absurd. Not the getting it right part, but by letting a 3rd party make a judgment on something they are neither trained nor paid to make a judgment on.

 

[mad sweeney]

Totally unbiased observer here... The NFC Championship Game was horribly officiated. I saw three plays with my own eyes live that looked wrong, and as it turns out all three were wrong. And all three went against the 49ers. Feel bad for the Niners and their fans. Tough to play against 13 men.

Did you watch the first half. Seattle got jobbed on a couple soft penalties that killed drives.The only relevant call that went against the 49ers in the 2nd half was roughing vs running into the kicker. The turnover on the 1 yard line actually worked out better for them after the next play.

1. When the refs miss a turnover at the 1 yard line, it's big. Just because Carroll had a complete brain fart and went for it on 4th down and fumbled it, doesn't mean it wasn't a bad call on a very important play. Plus, let's give the Niners some credit for stuffing that run and forcing the fumble.2. The push off out of bounds was atrocious. And I believe that was in the first half. That was the most blatantly obvious bad call I saw.

3. The refs called an incomplete pass on 2nd and 12 when it should have been a catch by Boldin leaving a manageable 3rd and 3. Tha was a huge play at the time.

Once again, I've got no dog in this fight. Just calling it as I saw it, and it looked to me to be very lopsided.

Let's not.

Yeah. Credit for recovering it, absolutely. But no D can take credit for a bad handoff that's in the air before the RB even comes in contact with anyone.

 

[bryhamm]

Totally unbiased observer here... The NFC Championship Game was horribly officiated. I saw three plays with my own eyes live that looked wrong, and as it turns out all three were wrong. And all three went against the 49ers. Feel bad for the Niners and their fans. Tough to play against 13 men.

Did you watch the first half. Seattle got jobbed on a couple soft penalties that killed drives.The only relevant call that went against the 49ers in the 2nd half was roughing vs running into the kicker. The turnover on the 1 yard line actually worked out better for them after the next play.

1. When the refs miss a turnover at the 1 yard line, it's big. Just because Carroll had a complete brain fart and went for it on 4th down and fumbled it, doesn't mean it wasn't a bad call on a very important play. Plus, let's give the Niners some credit for stuffing that run and forcing the fumble.2. The push off out of bounds was atrocious. And I believe that was in the first half. That was the most blatantly obvious bad call I saw.

3. The refs called an incomplete pass on 2nd and 12 when it should have been a catch by Boldin leaving a manageable 3rd and 3. Tha was a huge play at the time.

Once again, I've got no dog in this fight. Just calling it as I saw it, and it looked to me to be very lopsided.

Let's not.

Yeah. Credit for recovering it, absolutely. But no D can take credit for a bad handoff that's in the air before the RB even comes in contact with anyone.

I don't even give them credit for recovering it. Did they even? It didn't matter who recovered it as it was going to be SF's ball at that point any way.

 

[flapgreen]

No accountability

 

[jonessed]

Totally unbiased observer here... The NFC Championship Game was horribly officiated. I saw three plays with my own eyes live that looked wrong, and as it turns out all three were wrong. And all three went against the 49ers. Feel bad for the Niners and their fans. Tough to play against 13 men.

Did you watch the first half. Seattle got jobbed on a couple soft penalties that killed drives.The only relevant call that went against the 49ers in the 2nd half was roughing vs running into the kicker. The turnover on the 1 yard line actually worked out better for them after the next play.

1. When the refs miss a turnover at the 1 yard line, it's big. Just because Carroll had a complete brain fart and went for it on 4th down and fumbled it, doesn't mean it wasn't a bad call on a very important play. Plus, let's give the Niners some credit for stuffing that run and forcing the fumble.2. The push off out of bounds was atrocious. And I believe that was in the first half. That was the most blatantly obvious bad call I saw.

3. The refs called an incomplete pass on 2nd and 12 when it should have been a catch by Boldin leaving a manageable 3rd and 3. Tha was a huge play at the time.

Once again, I've got no dog in this fight. Just calling it as I saw it, and it looked to me to be very lopsided.

Let's not.

He was actively rooting for the Niners the entire game. I have no idea why he's now trying to claim some neutral viewpoint. It's all kind of silly.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Am I the only person who thinks that the running into the kicker penalty shouldn't have even drawn a flag in the first place? IIRC, the defender was laying on the ground already and the kicker happened to come down on the defender. Kickers and defenders make contact all the time without penalties being called, but for some reason everybody wants this one to be 15 yards.

You are crazy with the bolded. The kicker's ankle was rolled because the defender went into a PLANTED leg.

I'm just going off my recollection of the play. Sounds like I was remembering it wrong. No problem.

 

[General Tso]

Totally unbiased observer here... The NFC Championship Game was horribly officiated. I saw three plays with my own eyes live that looked wrong, and as it turns out all three were wrong. And all three went against the 49ers. Feel bad for the Niners and their fans. Tough to play against 13 men.

Did you watch the first half. Seattle got jobbed on a couple soft penalties that killed drives.The only relevant call that went against the 49ers in the 2nd half was roughing vs running into the kicker. The turnover on the 1 yard line actually worked out better for them after the next play.

1. When the refs miss a turnover at the 1 yard line, it's big. Just because Carroll had a complete brain fart and went for it on 4th down and fumbled it, doesn't mean it wasn't a bad call on a very important play. Plus, let's give the Niners some credit for stuffing that run and forcing the fumble.2. The push off out of bounds was atrocious. And I believe that was in the first half. That was the most blatantly obvious bad call I saw.

3. The refs called an incomplete pass on 2nd and 12 when it should have been a catch by Boldin leaving a manageable 3rd and 3. Tha was a huge play at the time.

Once again, I've got no dog in this fight. Just calling it as I saw it, and it looked to me to be very lopsided.

Huh? You don't know what the hell you are talking about. I could give two ####s about either team.Let's not.

He was actively rooting for the Niners the entire game. I have no idea why he's now trying to claim some neutral viewpoint. It's all kind of silly.

What's silly is you making that accusation. You know nothing about me. I could give two ####s about either team. Man, this place is crawling with idiots and trolls.

 

[Joe Summer]

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9:

Item 1: Roughing the kicker. It is a foul for roughing the kicker if a defensive player:

(a) contacts the plant leg of the kicker while his kicking leg is still in the air

Note: when in doubt, it is a foul for roughing the kicker

 

[jonessed]

Totally unbiased observer here... The NFC Championship Game was horribly officiated. I saw three plays with my own eyes live that looked wrong, and as it turns out all three were wrong. And all three went against the 49ers. Feel bad for the Niners and their fans. Tough to play against 13 men.

Did you watch the first half. Seattle got jobbed on a couple soft penalties that killed drives.The only relevant call that went against the 49ers in the 2nd half was roughing vs running into the kicker. The turnover on the 1 yard line actually worked out better for them after the next play.

1. When the refs miss a turnover at the 1 yard line, it's big. Just because Carroll had a complete brain fart and went for it on 4th down and fumbled it, doesn't mean it wasn't a bad call on a very important play. Plus, let's give the Niners some credit for stuffing that run and forcing the fumble.2. The push off out of bounds was atrocious. And I believe that was in the first half. That was the most blatantly obvious bad call I saw.

3. The refs called an incomplete pass on 2nd and 12 when it should have been a catch by Boldin leaving a manageable 3rd and 3. Tha was a huge play at the time.

Once again, I've got no dog in this fight. Just calling it as I saw it, and it looked to me to be very lopsided.

Huh? You don't know what the hell you are talking about. I could give two ####s about either team.Let's not.

He was actively rooting for the Niners the entire game. I have no idea why he's now trying to claim some neutral viewpoint. It's all kind of silly.

What's silly is you making that accusation. You know nothing about me. I could give two ####s about either team. Man, this place is crawling with idiots and trolls.

I'm just going off what you posted in the game thread.

Can't wait to see them get theirs in two weeks. Kharma's a #####.

I don't think it's a stretch to call you biased.

 

[shadyridr]

Am I the only person who thinks that the running into the kicker penalty shouldn't have even drawn a flag in the first place? IIRC, the defender was laying on the ground already and the kicker happened to come down on the defender. Kickers and defenders make contact all the time without penalties being called, but for some reason everybody wants this one to be 15 yards.

Again, that "some reason" is 100% Mike Pereira and his Rainman like mastery of the letter of the law. Everyone then follows in lock step and pretends to be well versed in touching of the plant foot rules.

I'm fine with that being 5yards.

we are not supposed to know every single rule. The refs are. When the play first happened i thought it was a running into the kicker and im a 49er fan. Then pereira explained the rule (which is what hes there for) and i was livid because the stupid refs need to know the rules.

 

[Bills_Fan11]

Am I the only person who thinks that the running into the kicker penalty shouldn't have even drawn a flag in the first place? IIRC, the defender was laying on the ground already and the kicker happened to come down on the defender. Kickers and defenders make contact all the time without penalties being called, but for some reason everybody wants this one to be 15 yards.

Again, that "some reason" is 100% Mike Pereira and his Rainman like mastery of the letter of the law. Everyone then follows in lock step and pretends to be well versed in touching of the plant foot rules.

I'm fine with that being 5yards.

we are not supposed to know every single rule. The refs are. When the play first happened i thought it was a running into the kicker and im a 49er fan. Then pereira explained the rule (which is what hes there for) and i was livid because the stupid refs need to know the rules.

Ya we're basically saying the same thing; thanks for the rolling smiley though.

I thought it was funny that everyone is pretending like they saw the replay & instantly screamed "ZOMG plant foot!".

I certainly wasn't criticizing anyone for not knowing it because I didn't know it. Hell I'd never heard the term "plant foot" in my 29 years of watching football; except for maybe someone describing a FG kicker who slipped.

Within the context of the spirit of the game it's just nowhere close to an egregious blunder imo. These people who think most plays are officiated to the letter of the law...I don't know what to tell you. It's illegal for an OLman to push a RB from behind, except it hasn't been called since 1942. Would people get outraged about that if Pereira explained to everyone that rule?

 

[DropKick]

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9:

Item 1: Roughing the kicker. It is a foul for roughing the kicker if a defensive player:

(a) contacts the plant leg of the kicker while his kicking leg is still in the air

Note: when in doubt, it is a foul for roughing the kicker

I haven't seen anyone mention it but I thought the "incompletion" prior to the punt was a completed pass. Even 5 yards would have given them a first down. The receiver caught the ball, took 2 or 3 steps and was tackled and lost the ball on contact with the ground. Maybe I'm missing something because the announcers didn't even debate it... Perhaps they're blinded by the "going to the ground" aspect. However, I didn't see it as going to the ground in the process of making the catch but going to the ground because he was tackled.

 

[DropKick]

Can someone explain what happened on the Bowman fumble recovery on the 1 yard line - was it because it was called down?

If so I get the called down part, what I don't get is I could have sworn the NFL changed this replay rule a few years back.

I thought even if there's a whistle the play can be reviewed?

So what happened there?

I was under the same impression as you... I though a recovery was reviewable if possession was clear. Apparently, that only applies to a recovery in the end zone. Kind of a stupid inconsistency though...

 

[jonessed]

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9:

Item 1: Roughing the kicker. It is a foul for roughing the kicker if a defensive player:

(a) contacts the plant leg of the kicker while his kicking leg is still in the air

Note: when in doubt, it is a foul for roughing the kicker

I haven't seen anyone mention it but I thought the "incompletion" prior to the punt was a completed pass. Even 5 yards would have given them a first down. The receiver caught the ball, took 2 or 3 steps and was tackled and lost the ball on contact with the ground. Maybe I'm missing something because the announcers didn't even debate it... Perhaps they're blinded by the "going to the ground" aspect. However, I didn't see it as going to the ground in the process of making the catch but going to the ground because he was tackled.

Maybe Harbaugh should have challenged it .

 

[DiStefano]

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9:

Item 1: Roughing the kicker. It is a foul for roughing the kicker if a defensive player:

(a) contacts the plant leg of the kicker while his kicking leg is still in the air

Note: when in doubt, it is a foul for roughing the kicker

I haven't seen anyone mention it but I thought the "incompletion" prior to the punt was a completed pass. Even 5 yards would have given them a first down. The receiver caught the ball, took 2 or 3 steps and was tackled and lost the ball on contact with the ground. Maybe I'm missing something because the announcers didn't even debate it... Perhaps they're blinded by the "going to the ground" aspect. However, I didn't see it as going to the ground in the process of making the catch but going to the ground because he was tackled.

Maybe Harbaugh should have challenged it .

I agree, the refs missed the call. And Harbaugh should have challenged it.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Can we just ban all Niner and Seahawk fans from this thread? TIA

On a positive note, the NFL is adding 35 (I think. Maybe 25) new refs next year that they've been grooming under a new training program setup under the new contract. So hopefully some fresh blood will improve officiating.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

st and 10 at PHI 24 (10:07) (Shotgun) N.Foles pass deep right intended for B.Celek INTERCEPTED by B.Breeland at PHI 48. B.Breeland to PHI 31 for 17 yards (T.Herremans). Penalty on WAS-C.Baker, Disqualification, offsetting. Penalty on PHI-J.Peters, Disqualification, offsetting. The Replay Official challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) N.Foles pass incomplete deep right to B.Celek. Penalty on WAS-C.Baker, Disqualification, offsetting. Penalty on PHI-J.Peters, Disqualification, offsetting. 27 27

Did anyone see the fracas with Baker of the Redskins hitting Foles?

What happened there? Baker didn't get called for roughing for blocking on a pick, did he?

 

[belljr]

st and 10 at PHI 24 (10:07) (Shotgun) N.Foles pass deep right intended for B.Celek INTERCEPTED by B.Breeland at PHI 48. B.Breeland to PHI 31 for 17 yards (T.Herremans). Penalty on WAS-C.Baker, Disqualification, offsetting. Penalty on PHI-J.Peters, Disqualification, offsetting. The Replay Official challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) N.Foles pass incomplete deep right to B.Celek. Penalty on WAS-C.Baker, Disqualification, offsetting. Penalty on PHI-J.Peters, Disqualification, offsetting. 27 27

Did anyone see the fracas with Baker of the Redskins hitting Foles?

What happened there? Baker didn't get called for roughing for blocking on a pick, did he?

no he head hunted a QB standing there. He wasn't blocking

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

st and 10 at PHI 24 (10:07) (Shotgun) N.Foles pass deep right intended for B.Celek INTERCEPTED by B.Breeland at PHI 48. B.Breeland to PHI 31 for 17 yards (T.Herremans). Penalty on WAS-C.Baker, Disqualification, offsetting. Penalty on PHI-J.Peters, Disqualification, offsetting. The Replay Official challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) N.Foles pass incomplete deep right to B.Celek. Penalty on WAS-C.Baker, Disqualification, offsetting. Penalty on PHI-J.Peters, Disqualification, offsetting. 27 27

Did anyone see the fracas with Baker of the Redskins hitting Foles?

What happened there? Baker didn't get called for roughing for blocking on a pick, did he?

no he head hunted a QB standing there. He wasn't blocking

They called a penalty on Baker then - for that? Looked ok to me, it was a pick and then Foles has to watch what he's doing as he's a defender at that point.

 

[belljr]

st and 10 at PHI 24 (10:07) (Shotgun) N.Foles pass deep right intended for B.Celek INTERCEPTED by B.Breeland at PHI 48. B.Breeland to PHI 31 for 17 yards (T.Herremans). Penalty on WAS-C.Baker, Disqualification, offsetting. Penalty on PHI-J.Peters, Disqualification, offsetting. The Replay Official challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) N.Foles pass incomplete deep right to B.Celek. Penalty on WAS-C.Baker, Disqualification, offsetting. Penalty on PHI-J.Peters, Disqualification, offsetting. 27 27

Did anyone see the fracas with Baker of the Redskins hitting Foles?

What happened there? Baker didn't get called for roughing for blocking on a pick, did he?

no he head hunted a QB standing there. He wasn't blocking

They called a penalty on Baker then - for that? Looked ok to me, it was a pick and then Foles has to watch what he's doing as he's a defender at that point.

um not since the rule change 5 years ago

 

[General Tso]

The off-sides on the Seahawks that was called, and then over-ruled by another ref today, was one of the worst blown calls by an entire officiating crew you will ever see. And it was huge.

 

[dschuler]

The off-sides on the Seahawks that was called, and then over-ruled by another ref today, was one of the worst blown calls by an entire officiating crew you will ever see. And it was huge.

I don't see how a ref overturns another ref unless he is absolutely sure the call was wrong. That offsides non call was bogus, and cost Denver at least a FG most likely.

 

[Amused to Death]

st and 10 at PHI 24 (10:07) (Shotgun) N.Foles pass deep right intended for B.Celek INTERCEPTED by B.Breeland at PHI 48. B.Breeland to PHI 31 for 17 yards (T.Herremans). Penalty on WAS-C.Baker, Disqualification, offsetting. Penalty on PHI-J.Peters, Disqualification, offsetting. The Replay Official challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) N.Foles pass incomplete deep right to B.Celek. Penalty on WAS-C.Baker, Disqualification, offsetting. Penalty on PHI-J.Peters, Disqualification, offsetting. 27 27

Did anyone see the fracas with Baker of the Redskins hitting Foles?

What happened there? Baker didn't get called for roughing for blocking on a pick, did he?

no he head hunted a QB standing there. He wasn't blocking

They called a penalty on Baker then - for that? Looked ok to me, it was a pick and then Foles has to watch what he's doing as he's a defender at that point.

Baker's hit on Foles.

 

[General Tso]

The off-sides on the Seahawks that was called, and then over-ruled by another ref today, was one of the worst blown calls by an entire officiating crew you will ever see. And it was huge.

I don't see how a ref overturns another ref unless he is absolutely sure the call was wrong. That offsides non call was bogus, and cost Denver at least a FG most likely.

Especially when everyone in the stadium and everyone watching on tv so clearly saw it was off-sides. When you see a call like that it really raises eyebrows.

 

[BassNBrew]

The off-sides on the Seahawks that was called, and then over-ruled by another ref today, was one of the worst blown calls by an entire officiating crew you will ever see. And it was huge.

I don't see how a ref overturns another ref unless he is absolutely sure the call was wrong. That offsides non call was bogus, and cost Denver at least a FG most likely.

Especially when everyone in the stadium and everyone watching on tv so clearly saw it was off-sides. When you see a call like that it really raises eyebrows.

Worse than the blown call the replacement ref in the GB/Sea game made.

 

[biju]

The off-sides on the Seahawks that was called, and then over-ruled by another ref today, was one of the worst blown calls by an entire officiating crew you will ever see. And it was huge.

I don't see how a ref overturns another ref unless he is absolutely sure the call was wrong. That offsides non call was bogus, and cost Denver at least a FG most likely.

Especially when everyone in the stadium and everyone watching on tv so clearly saw it was off-sides. When you see a call like that it really raises eyebrows.

Worse than the blown call the replacement ref in the GB/Sea game made.

Weak fishing attempt.

 

[dschuler]

Carolina Pittsburgh game had a horrendous call. Initially called Wheaton in on a TD, then another ref ruled he stepped out first then back into the field to make the catch. Replay looked like he ways inbounds but there weren't any camera angles to show otherwise. Another example of a ref overruling another one and looked to be in the wrong.

 

[Slapdash]

This stuff is getting out of hand. Flags every play for barely anything.

Also, Harvin got robbed hard.

 

[sho nuff]

This stuff is getting out of hand. Flags every play for barely anything.

Also, Harvin got robbed hard.

How did he get robbed?

The first was a blatant hold.

The second was a false start (on Harvin).

The 3rd you may try to argue...but we never saw the whole play, just the aftermath of the OL falling on the defender. Ref saw the guy as already down and the OL jumping on him..penalty.

 

[Slapdash]

This stuff is getting out of hand. Flags every play for barely anything.

Also, Harvin got robbed hard.

How did he get robbed?

The first was a blatant hold.

The second was a false start (on Harvin).

The 3rd you may try to argue...but we never saw the whole play, just the aftermath of the OL falling on the defender. Ref saw the guy as already down and the OL jumping on him..penalty.

Neither of the last two were penalties.

 

[sho nuff]

This stuff is getting out of hand. Flags every play for barely anything.

Also, Harvin got robbed hard.

How did he get robbed?

The first was a blatant hold.

The second was a false start (on Harvin).

The 3rd you may try to argue...but we never saw the whole play, just the aftermath of the OL falling on the defender. Ref saw the guy as already down and the OL jumping on him..penalty.

Neither of the last two were penalties.

So a WR is able to lean, basically stumble, and already plant his foot back for the bubble screen before the ball is snapped?

He wasn't "in motion". He started early...it was pretty obvious.

And again, the last one I can agree its questionable since we didn't see the whole thing.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

This view really shows the degree to which Perrish Cox absolutely totally and completely pretends to have been shoved by Jimmy on that final Hail Mary in the Superdome.

I guess I had been resigned to this one being correct, since I was at the game and only saw it at a distance, but I have changed my mind on this.

Do me a favor and before commenting please look at the second replay view in this link: This view really shows the degree to which Perrish Cox absolutely totally and completely pretends to have been shoved by Jimmy. This almost qualifies as a "trick" play.

http://gamedayr.com/sports/nfl/drew-brees-jimmy-graham-hail-mary-vs-49ers-125283/

Horrible call, Jimmy and the Saints were robbed.

 

[mnmplayer]

I see Graham has his hands on Cox just under his pads then pushing him with arms extended. Cox did embellish a bit sure, but he embellished the truth. This happens with academy award acting with pi and roughing the passer penalties all the time. This is a case of whining from a Saints fan imo which makes sense getting their butts handed to them in the dome with 3 extra days rest\prep.

Tough loss, but I remember a real bad call last game when Breese was sacked so hard his neck snapped sideways so it looked like a penalty but wasnt. It was called a penalty for hitting his head and clearly it was his chest that got hit below his neck ... Total bs.

In my opinion this was 10x worse and cost the niners the game.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CBwQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVGbIXH20iXQ&rct=j&q=bad%20call%20brees%20sacked%20by%2049er%20facemask&ei=MFFkVM-OEsWsogTfioHwDA&usg=AFQjCNHgOodlArjV8WFTni441hA4hJyWFQ&sig2=A3sCqrPbb3ZIDN9Vm5zx7Q

 

[Neofight]

M&m's ####ty attitude aside, Graham did extend his arm completely, which pretty much seals the deal. Parish Cox basically gambled and won.

In a league where officiating has been on the decline for the better part of a decade, this was a minor infraction.

 

[RUSF18]

This view really shows the degree to which Perrish Cox absolutely totally and completely pretends to have been shoved by Jimmy on that final Hail Mary in the Superdome.

I guess I had been resigned to this one being correct, since I was at the game and only saw it at a distance, but I have changed my mind on this.

Do me a favor and before commenting please look at the second replay view in this link: This view really shows the degree to which Perrish Cox absolutely totally and completely pretends to have been shoved by Jimmy. This almost qualifies as a "trick" play.

http://gamedayr.com/sports/nfl/drew-brees-jimmy-graham-hail-mary-vs-49ers-125283/

Horrible call, Jimmy and the Saints were robbed.

Set up a video camera. Run towards the video camera, at a speed that is surely not even approaching the speed Cox was running at, but as fast as you can. On a dime, stop and try to throw yourself backwards and fall to the ground. Go watch the tape you just made and compare how your feet are planted at the time you stop, and where your momentum has taken you. If it matches what you see in the video of the play, upload it and I'll watch it and agree with you that there wasn't a push.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

This view really shows the degree to which Perrish Cox absolutely totally and completely pretends to have been shoved by Jimmy on that final Hail Mary in the Superdome.

I guess I had been resigned to this one being correct, since I was at the game and only saw it at a distance, but I have changed my mind on this.

Do me a favor and before commenting please look at the second replay view in this link: This view really shows the degree to which Perrish Cox absolutely totally and completely pretends to have been shoved by Jimmy. This almost qualifies as a "trick" play.

http://gamedayr.com/sports/nfl/drew-brees-jimmy-graham-hail-mary-vs-49ers-125283/

Horrible call, Jimmy and the Saints were robbed.

Set up a video camera. Run towards the video camera, at a speed that is surely not even approaching the speed Cox was running at, but as fast as you can. On a dime, stop and try to throw yourself backwards and fall to the ground. Go watch the tape you just made and compare how your feet are planted at the time you stop, and where your momentum has taken you. If it matches what you see in the video of the play, upload it and I'll watch it and agree with you that there wasn't a push.

Ha, ok I'm working on this right now, I've got teh Dome rented for a day and I will let you know when it's ready...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I've looked at it again. The flop is pretty obvious. Graham's arm is outstretched/extended, but only after the DB realizes he is completely out of position, is completely faced the wrong way and then flips like a trout on a line. I think the second view shows it really well and it was a new one for me. But I appreciate the objective feedback, which is why I posted it. Thanks.

 

[Donnybrook]

Zimmer challenges a Cutler fumble that was initially ruled an incompletion. The Refs overtuned the call and called it a fumble but then ruled that there wasn't a clear recovery. They then replay the play and Captain Munnerland clearly recovers the ball. There wasn't an immediate recovery because the Refs are blowing the play dead like it was an incompletion. Catch 22 situation. Every team should be coached to play through the whistle because the Refs are wrong so often.

 

[Pipes]

Zimmer challenges a Cutler fumble that was initially ruled an incompletion. The Refs overtuned the call and called it a fumble but then ruled that there wasn't a clear recovery. They then replay the play and Captain Munnerland clearly recovers the ball. There wasn't an immediate recovery because the Refs are blowing the play dead like it was an incompletion. Catch 22 situation. Every team should be coached to play through the whistle because the Refs are wrong so often.

Saw that. What a crappy rule seems like a huge gray area on what is immediate.

 

[Ignoramus]

I've looked at it again. The flop is pretty obvious. Graham's arm is outstretched/extended, but only after the DB realizes he is completely out of position, is completely faced the wrong way and then flips like a trout on a line. I think the second view shows it really well and it was a new one for me. But I appreciate the objective feedback, which is why I posted it. Thanks.

100% push off. That gets called every time.

 

[zftcg]

Can someone explain the reversal of Jeremy Ross' punt return in the Detroit-Arizona game? Because even Mike Pereira seemed confused as to how that ended up being placed on the one. Huge swing in the game.

 

[mnmplayer]

He had poss. Play is dead once they have poss.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

I don't know what was going on in Arizona today. Horrible spot on an Ebron catch, yet review upholds what looks like and obvious spot error. Then Jeremy Ross....how do you call possession on that? Then the Fitzgerald spot, and of course no time outs to challenge.

I was actually rooting for Arizona but I thought the first two were absolutely horrendous and a botched use of replay.

 

[CR69]

He had poss. Play is dead once they have poss.

Except it is never called like that in that situation. Had he tossed it to a teammate, that's where it would have been spotted which is what Pierera was saying.