Bank Robbery Suspect shot by Customer (1 Viewer)

[msommer]

Why not just install DNA sprays and tag him as he exits?

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

People still go to banks in person?

 

[bueno]

Robber still at large. I wonder if he is dead in the bushes somewhere.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

If given the choice, does anybody here prefer to be unarmed when an armed robber presents himself in a situation like this?  

I think I'd rather be unarmed. This is a police matter. Let them handle it

Or we could have eight untrained Rambos firing shots at the bank robber.  Tough choice here, I'm gonna have to take a moment to let this all sink in. 

 

[Sconch]

Bad: Criminal robbing a bank with a gun.

Worse: Criminal robbing a bank with a gun and then a civilian starts shooting at him.

 

[psychobillies]

Or we could have eight untrained Rambos firing shots at the bank robber.  Tough choice here, I'm gonna have to take a moment to let this all sink in. 

Just to be clear, I'm not advocating shooting the guy just because you can.  I'm just saying that if I'm in the presence of a sociopath with a gun that I think I'd be safer with a gun than without.   

 

[Thunderlips]

Yeah,...really not getting the support in regards to just winging this guy and then letting him be on his merry way.  If you pull your gun.....pull it with the intent to kill.  

 

[Sconch]

Just to be clear, I'm not advocating shooting the guy just because you can.  I'm just saying that if I'm in the presence of a sociopath with a gun that I think I'd be safer with a gun than without.   

What about the other people in the bank?  Would they be safer with you whipping out your roscoe?

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I'm just saying that if I'm in the presence of a sociopath with a gun that I think I'd be safer with a gun than without.   

We've traced the call.

 

[Thunderlips]

Individual - Having the option of having a gun during an incident, IMO.....makes it safer for the "Individual".

Any Public other than the Individual involved in the incident - You're not neccessarily safer.  You're PROBABLY safer if the "Individual" is trained in firearms usage; isn't a jabrone/weekend warrior looking for trouble.  You're probably NOT safer if "Individual" is a jabrone looking for a fight.

Gun owners need to do a better job of reinforcing the image of the positive gun owner.  

 

[northern exposure]

I think a major point has been missed in this thread so far. Where are the :style: guys to critique the bank robber's ensemble?

"The suspect is described as a white male, 5’08”-5’10”, 160 pounds, wearing a gray sweatshirt with red writing (Washington State University) on the front.  He was also wearing black gloves, black pants with white stripping on the side, a light colored boonie style hat and a blue bandana covering his face. "

 

[Sconch]

Individual - Having the option of having a gun during an incident, IMO.....makes it safer for the "Individual".

Any Public other than the Individual involved in the incident - You're not neccessarily safer.  You're PROBABLY safer if the "Individual" is trained in firearms usage; isn't a jabrone/weekend warrior looking for trouble.  You're probably NOT safer if "Individual" is a jabrone looking for a fight.

Gun owners need to do a better job of reinforcing the image of the positive gun owner.  

How many people out there that carry have the proper training?  As in the same type of training that LEOs get when it comes to using their weapon in a public place?

 

[psychobillies]

Can you give an example?

Ah, I see what you mean now.  

Fair enough.  

 

[matuski]

We have no idea if that's true.  We'll never know if this guy had any intentions to hurt anyone or not.  I know the statistics say he probably didn't,  but every situation is different.  The bottom line is that nobody was hurt, and it might have been because this citizen decided to shoot.  

We have a guy that works at a bank already confirm this in the thread.  Not that we needed him to confirm common sense, but indeed - we now know it is true.

The bank wants the guy to take the inconsequential amount of money and leave.  Period.

 

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Gun owners need to do a better job of reinforcing the image of the positive gun owner.  

There are tens of millions of responsible gun owners carrying concealed around you every day, and you never hear about them.

 

[joffer]

There are tens of millions of responsible gun owners carrying concealed around you every day, and you never hear about them.

Really?  Are there stats for % of the population that have a CC license?

 

[Captain Cranks]

There are tens of millions of responsible gun owners carrying concealed around you every day, and you never hear about them.

This is an overstatement.  A little over 10 million have concealed weapons permits, but I doubt all of them are packing each and every day.  

Still love your avatar although the stupid icon symbol gets in the way.  

 

[timschochet]

That's totally reasonable,  and as much as I like to shoot, I don't like to carry either and I pretty much don't.

If my life was in danger though, I would probably regret that.  That's all I'm saying.

Well, again, it all depends on the situation.

I've been carjacked in the past, by a scared kid holding a gun in my face. All I wanted to do was let him have my car and get the hell out of there. My life was in danger, but I would not have pulled out a gun even if I had one (not that I know how to use one anyhow!) 

On the other hand, let's say one of my daughters was with me, and the carjacker ordered me out of my car, and ordered my daughter to stay in the car. In that extreme unlikely scenario I would wish that I had a gun no matter how inept I might be with it. 

I believe in most cases a good guy with a gun who pulls it out runs the risk of making matters much worse in these situations. But not in EVERY case. It just all depends. 

 

[psychobillies]

We have a guy that works at a bank already confirm this in the thread.  Not that we needed him to confirm common sense, but indeed - we now know it is true.

The bank wants the guy to take the inconsequential amount of money and leave.  Period.

I understand that, but why are we 100% eliminating the possibility that the robber might have tried to shoot someone?

Well, again, it all depends on the situation.

I've been carjacked in the past, by a scared kid holding a gun in my face. All I wanted to do was let him have my car and get the hell out of there. My life was in danger, but I would not have pulled out a gun even if I had one (not that I know how to use one anyhow!) 

On the other hand, let's say one of my daughters was with me, and the carjacker ordered me out of my car, and ordered my daughter to stay in the car. In that extreme unlikely scenario I would wish that I had a gun no matter how inept I might be with it. 

I believe in most cases a good guy with a gun who pulls it out runs the risk of making matters much worse in these situations. But not in EVERY case. It just all depends. 

That has pretty much been my point the whole time.  If the guy went off, for whatever reason, I'd rather have a gun than not have one.  

 

[sho nuff]

I understand that, but why are we 100% eliminating the possibility that the robber might have tried to shoot someone?

Statistics of bank robberies where the guy doesn't shoot people Id say.

 

[msommer]

There are tens of millions of responsible gun owners carrying concealed around you every day, and you never hear about them.

Because they don't pull it out and show it (double entendre intended)

 

[jonessed]

Someone desperate enough to initiate a bank robbery at gunpoint is pretty ####### dangerous.  I would hope anyone well-trained and armed with a clear shot would take it.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Someone desperate enough to initiate a bank robbery at gunpoint is pretty ####### dangerous.  I would hope anyone well-trained and armed with a clear shot would take it.

100:1 you gonna get just a tough-guy gun owner instead.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

There are tens of millions of responsible gun owners carrying concealed around you every day, and you never hear about them.

 

For one there were 12 million permits last year, for another you can't be certain those people are responsible.  A two hour firearms course and a clean record describes most of the population, and most of the population is dumb by my estimation.  

 

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For one there were 12 million permits last year, for another you can't be certain those people are responsible.  A two hour firearms course and a clean record describes most of the population, and most of the population is dumb by my estimation.  

Correct I was speaking in generalities while at airport.. I should have left the "s" off. 

I will agree that not everyone with a permit should have one. There were people in my class that made me nervous. I also think big steel thrills number of 100:1 is silly. I'd say about  half the folks who take the time to get a permit are at least competent with a firearm and have some training and occasional range time. I'd wager probably 10% (total guess) are fairly proficient. 

Those numbers should be higher, and I agree I'd like to see more mandatory training along with carry permits. 

I personally would not take the shot as a civilian in the story at hand unless the robber was very volatile/threatening to folks and I had a very clear shot. Doubtful either of those scenarios come to pass, so I'd likely not draw.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Someone desperate enough to initiate a bank robbery at gunpoint is pretty ####### dangerous.  I would hope anyone well-trained and armed with a clear shot would take it.

I don't trust anyone who is not a law enforcement official to make life and death decisions for me because they think they are well-trained.  You also have to have a distinct set of circumstances to use deadly force, having a clear shot isn't one of them. 

 

[Henry Ford]

Correct I was speaking in generalities while at airport.. I should have left the "s" off. 

I will agree that not everyone with a permit should have one. There were people in my class that made me nervous. I also think big steel thrills number of 100:1 is silly. I'd say about  half the folks who take the time to get a permit are at least competent with a firearm and have some training and occasional range time. I'd wager probably 10% (total guess) are fairly proficient. 

Those numbers should be higher, and I agree I'd like to see more mandatory training along with carry permits. 

I personally would not take the shot as a civilian in the story at hand unless the robber was very volatile/threatening to folks and I had a very clear shot. Doubtful either of those scenarios come to pass, so I'd likely not draw.

Definitely.  You would never have caught any flack for saying ten of millions of people.

 

[psychobillies]

Statistics of bank robberies where the guy doesn't shoot people Id say.

Armed robbers kill people sometimes.   Can we agree on that at least?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Armed robbers kill people sometimes.   Can we agree on that at least?

In 1987 the available data (73-79) showed that 1 in 750 robberies end in homicide.

Further break down would be possible if conservatives allowed for the free flow of information.

As such, why would anyone want to listen to any conservative types about stats and probabilities on these topics?

 

[Sconch]

I don't trust anyone who is not a law enforcement official to make life and death decisions for me because they think they are well-trained.  You also have to have a distinct set of circumstances to use deadly force, having a clear shot isn't one of them. 

This

 

[bueno]

Correct I was speaking in generalities while at airport.. I should have left the "s" off. 

I will agree that not everyone with a permit should have one. There were people in my class that made me nervous. I also think big steel thrills number of 100:1 is silly. I'd say about  half the folks who take the time to get a permit are at least competent with a firearm and have some training and occasional range time. I'd wager probably 10% (total guess) are fairly proficient. 

Those numbers should be higher, and I agree I'd like to see more mandatory training along with carry permits. 

I personally would not take the shot as a civilian in the story at hand unless the robber was very volatile/threatening to folks and I had a very clear shot. Doubtful either of those scenarios come to pass, so I'd likely not draw.

My understanding is that the robber met all of those conditions (from news stories).

 

[psychobillies]

In 1987 the available data (73-79) showed that 1 in 750 robberies end in homicide.

Further break down would be possible if conservatives allowed for the free flow of information.

As such, why would anyone want to listen to any conservative types about stats and probabilities on these topics?

Glad we could agree about that.

 

[bueno]

I don't trust anyone who is not a law enforcement official to make life and death decisions for me because they think they are well-trained.  You also have to have a distinct set of circumstances to use deadly force, having a clear shot isn't one of them. 

I guess you shouldn't rob banks then.