Zegras11
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Brian Entin
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Kaylee Goncalves' parents say they support the death penalty for accused killer Bryan Kohberger. “If you want to play God’s role, you’re going to have to go answer to him.”
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University of Idaho college student murders - suspect arrested (1 Viewer)
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Brian Entin
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Kaylee Goncalves' parents say they support the death penalty for accused killer Bryan Kohberger. “If you want to play God’s role, you’re going to have to go answer to him.”
Caveman33
Footballguy
The surviving roommate said she heard someone say, "There is someone in the house." And then she heard crying from the girl who ordered food. I think some people suggested that the boyfriend was found outside the bedroom. Apparently, the dog was also barking. The surviving roommate poked her head outside her bedroom door three times so it sounds like there was a reasonable amount of commotion. She froze up. It sounds baffling but it happens to some people. I'm surprised by her description of the killer walking towards her while she was frozen in her doorway and he continued past and out of the house. This would have been right after a potential scuffle with the boyfriend so maybe he was fatigued and wary of encountering another guy who might overpower him.
I read theories that the two girls upstairs had rooms that were very visible from the outside and they were the likely targets. It seems they were killed first and maybe the couple on the floor below happened upon the killer as he was leaving and they were expecting their food so he killed them and then continued out of the house.
Zegras11
Footballguy
Note that it says she saw him. She doesn't say he looked at her. Tracy on my link above thinks he could have been so fatigued, that he walked right past her and didn't notice her and/or thought his goal was accomplished. Also, when people go into shock, they can totally freeze up.
MAC_32
Footballguy
...and when they're intoxicated they don't make good well informed decisions. I have no clue if this woman was blitzed, but it was 4 am at a party house on a weekend night. I
Zow
Footballguy
It's somewhat of a myth that these types of defendants are highly intelligent. Generally, most defendants of this type have below average IQs and are usually socially awkward. In other words, somebody like a Bundy is the exception, not the rule.
Zow
Footballguy
This is also a myth. While a defense attorney has a pretty broad ability to advance theories, a defense attorney is still limited by ethics in what he or she can advance at court. For example, last year I had to seek (and obtained) an emergency continuance the day of trial because, the night before, I learned of new evidence (long, complicated story as to how and why) that put me in a position where I could not ethically present the factual defense I had intended to.
Zow
Footballguy
Most defendants who commit these crimes generally do.
TV creates a myth where they make it seem like it's way easier to get away with a brutal murder than it actually is.
Zow
Footballguy
It's not baffling and it's relatively common in these situations.
simey
Footballguy
They didn't have a party that night
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Dwayne Hoover
Footballguy
The roommate that saw him was not at the food truck
simey
Footballguy
That's right.
mr. furley
Footballguy
i get it, but applying rational logic to something as irrational as the mind of a person willing to murder 4 random people seems like a fruitless exercise.
one could just as easily speculate that this lunatic was seeing visions and interpreted the surviving roommate as a refrigerator. only he knows.. and he may not even know.
eta: just saw a video on reddit of some poor woman getting dragged out of the passenger seat of a parked car, then shot to death in a parking lot, while the driver of the same car gets out and casually strolls away with just a casual glance over the shoulder.
the murderer didn't turn his gun on the driver and the driver didn't react in any way to acknowledge that his friend was being executed just a few feet away in broad daylight.
fight or flight is weird
coopersdad
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
For sure. Plus, defense attorneys are very expensive.
Jaysus
Good times!
not as weird as the ##### you watch on reddit
General Malaise
Footballguy
Curious if the suspect was on any sort of drugs or alcohol.
the moops
Footballguy
Totally forgot that I used to ****ing make chopsticks. Glad they are still kicking around!And you didn't swing by to say "Hi"? No more cookies for you!
Didn't stop by to see me, either, and I've bought chopsticks from him! (Which we still use, by the way.)
General Malaise
Footballguy
Totally forgot that I used to ****ing make chopsticks. Glad they are still kicking around!And you didn't swing by to say "Hi"? No more cookies for you!
Didn't stop by to see me, either, and I've bought chopsticks from him! (Which we still use, by the way.)
I'd be interested in some chopsticks....maybe we can work out a barter?
the moops
Footballguy
@krista4 and I have a private meaning of "chopsticks". You are welcome to dive into our deep dark fantasies if you so pleaseTotally forgot that I used to ****ing make chopsticks. Glad they are still kicking around!And you didn't swing by to say "Hi"? No more cookies for you!
Didn't stop by to see me, either, and I've bought chopsticks from him! (Which we still use, by the way.)
I'd be interested in some chopsticks....maybe we can work out a barter?
General Malaise
Footballguy
@krista4 and I have a private meaning of "chopsticks". You are welcome to dive into our deep dark fantasies if you so pleaseTotally forgot that I used to ****ing make chopsticks. Glad they are still kicking around!And you didn't swing by to say "Hi"? No more cookies for you!
Didn't stop by to see me, either, and I've bought chopsticks from him! (Which we still use, by the way.)
I'd be interested in some chopsticks....maybe we can work out a barter?
I'm just here for chopstick chopsticks.....
mr. furley
Footballguy
r/crazy****ingvideos is pretty crazynot as weird as the ##### you watch on reddit
General Malaise
Footballguy
r/crazy****ingvideos is pretty crazynot as weird as the ##### you watch on reddit
I went over there this morning and couldn't find it.
Hawks64
Footballguy
No thanks man...not sure how or why so many people enjoy watching other humans get seriously hurt or killed.r/crazy****ingvideos is pretty crazynot as weird as the ##### you watch on reddit
Hawks64
Footballguy
Not sure if it will link right if I do it this way. ETA nope, just pulls the link outr/crazy****ingvideos is pretty crazynot as weird as the ##### you watch on reddit
I went over there this morning and couldn't find it.
Just google reddit crazy f'ing videos and it should come up fine if that's your sort of thing.
mr. furley
Footballguy
it's mostly (99%) just crazy videos. murder/death is pretty tightly modded and deleted.No thanks man...not sure how or why so many people enjoy watching other humans get seriously hurt or killed.r/crazy****ingvideos is pretty crazynot as weird as the ##### you watch on reddit
it's mostly things like using lava to light a joint - https://www.reddit.com/r/Crazy****ingVideos/comments/104shy0/using_lava_to_light_a_joint/ - and bears trying to jump further than nature allows - https://www.reddit.com/r/Crazy****ingVideos/comments/104wwns/bearly_missed/
Navin Johnson
Footballguy
If they can put his DNA there it's probably better than having him there during the murders.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Not an attorney but i wouldn't admit my client had been in that house prior. If he had never been inside that house prior, you're just lying. Seems unwise but again, not an attorney.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I mean you have two surviving roommates who can attest to ever seeing him in that house prior. If he had never stepped foot in that house prior to the murders, would a defense attorney lie about it?
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Yeah, but like a few days before. Bulletproof defense.
Was the murder weapon found?
the moops
Footballguy
Don't think so. And while helpful, they don't need the weapon to convict the guy
ex-ghost
Footballguy
Bulldozing the house soon.
www.cnn.com
Idaho house where 4 university students were killed will be torn down | CNN
The Idaho house where four college students were killed in November will be demolished as a "healing step," the University of Idaho said in a statement Friday.
www.cnn.com
General Malaise
Footballguy
Bulldozing the house soon.
Idaho house where 4 university students were killed will be torn down | CNN
The Idaho house where four college students were killed in November will be demolished as a "healing step," the University of Idaho said in a statement Friday.
The idiots going there to make Tiktoks is ghoulish to me. Families lost loved ones and you want to go dance by the house on video? Jesus.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
People are just absolutely awful.Bulldozing the house soon.
Idaho house where 4 university students were killed will be torn down | CNN
The Idaho house where four college students were killed in November will be demolished as a "healing step," the University of Idaho said in a statement Friday.
The idiots going there to make Tiktoks is ghoulish to me. Families lost loved ones and you want to go dance by the house on video? Jesus.
leftcoastguy7
Footballguy
Bryan Kohberger refuses to enter a plea today to 4 counts of murder. ( I wonder why?)
Anyway the judge entered a not guilty plea on his behalf. The prosecutor now has 60 days to decide if this is a death penalty case.
Anyway the judge entered a not guilty plea on his behalf. The prosecutor now has 60 days to decide if this is a death penalty case.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I find it curious that Lori Vallow didn't face the death penalty in Idaho. CNN article had a few reasons for it (which are beyond my grasp of understanding from a legal standpoint) but this line in particular seemed noteworthy: The death penalty should be dismissed because of media saturation, multiple discovery violations by the government, Vallow’s mental status and the inability of the state to effectively administer the death penalty should the jury decide to impose it, the defense motion said.
Can't imagine that sort of logic won't be employed here by his defense team.
General Malaise
Footballguy
This is SO bizarre to me. There is a word for this: hybristophilia - deriving from the Greek hybridzein, meaning to perpetuate an outrage against another, has been defined as the phenomenon of an individual being sexually aroused by a criminal offender.
Sand
Footballguy
6 second decision, maybe.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
There's a legitimate argument that Vallow was under the sway of her husband/conspirator and wasn't the driving force behind the murders. I have no idea if that was in fact the case, but it's something that could make jurors, prosecutors and judges take pause. That is not a parallel to Kohberger -- if he is convicted, there will be no doubt as to whose idea the murders were.
General Malaise
Footballguy
That's a good point. I hadn't considered that.
