Bart Scott on Hines Ward (2 Viewers)

[Zigg]

But if you watch him play

He admits he doesnt watch him play. He sees the sensational highlights an clips.He says something about "perspective" and then says he doesnt even know if Hines is a good blocker the rest of the time.

I was obviously refering to the youtube hits that Steeler fans love so much showing 60% blocks leading with the helmet and 100% blocks where the defensive player isn't looking. So if you want to say he's a great blocker, great, just don't link to youtube.When you add this , while quoting one word form my post, it's quite toolish.

 

[Sheriff66]

Ward is a good blocker, but it's a lot easier to hit someone hard when they're running at full speed and looking in another direction. It's much simpler to make a huge block then a huge tackle when the ball carrier is looking out for you. Some of you Steeler fans need a little perspective about how tough Hines is.

Hines will go over the middle to make the catch against anyone. And I've seen Hines get popped plenty of times only to bounce back up with a big smile on his face.Not much question about his toughness.

I mean tough in the sense that he's a ferocious hitter. He's is definitely a tough WR, it's just tiresome hearing how great of a blocker he is because of a few huge blindside hits. I honestly don't know how good of a blocker he is the rest of the time, I'm just not impressed by crushing someone looking in another direction, Sapp and Lewis included.

We can tell.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

That's a bunch of b.s. Ward is as clean as they come. It's just that those guys dish it out but can't take it. It's pathetic.

See if you can get a vote in next year's survey... Hines could use your help.

Who else are defensive players going to vote for except the only guy who hits them?But this is all typical from a Ray Lewis led team.

You're absolutely right, Ray Lewis and the Baltimore defense is known for nothing but being a bunch of cry babies Can you sense the sarcasm?

I've watched football for about 35 years. The single biggest episode of crybaby syndrome I have EVER witnessed was the CRYING done by Baltimore after losing to the Patriots last year. One Raven actually took exception to the fact that an African American referee referred to him as "boy". Using emotion as motivation is a flawed strategy. This is the biggest reason why Baltimore hasn't enjoyed more success over the last 8 years, and why they will lose to Pittsburgh on Sunday.

I guess since you've watched football on TV for 35 years you know better ways to motivate a team rather than using emotion? The strategy seems to work going to the playoffs 5 out of those 8 years and winning a Superbowl. In fact averaging 10 wins per year for the past 9 gives them the 5th best record in the NFL since 2000.NE- 119 winsColts- 109 winsSteelers- 102 winsEagles- 99 winsRavens- 89 winsSo your statement questioning their motivational techniques is absurd!

Using emotion, talking trash, crying about bad calls, etc. is an example of an over-used strength. I maintain that Baltimore would be higher on your list if they had learned to control their emotions rather than be ruled by them. I blame Billick for failing to control his team before ultimately losing his job. Bunch of unruly children if you ask me.

 

[Sea Bass]

You guys are acting like someone stepped on another one of your mini towels.

It is the Ravens defensive players that are crying about getting beat up by a WR. Then again this is a team that has male cheerleaders.

And you guys have spent three pages whinning about his statement.

 

[Godsbrother]

You guys are acting like someone stepped on another one of your mini towels.

It is the Ravens defensive players that are crying about getting beat up by a WR. Then again this is a team that has male cheerleaders.

And you guys have spent three pages whinning about his statement.

And you are whining about us whining about Bart Scott & the Ravens whining. And now I've just whined about you. When will it ever end?

 

[Jack Burton]

Bart Scott is a pansy.

He doesnt like getting blocked hard... to effin bad.

This is how a real player handles it.

I would want every wide receiver to block and play like Ward. Hell, I would want every football player to play football like him.

That hit by Ward looked like a crack back block. I thought those were illegal.

As long as it is above the waist and not in the back it is perfectly legal.

Fair enough then it seems like a good hard nosed football play although he does seem to lead with his helmet on a lot of his block/hits. The main gripe that I have with Ward is just how often he gets away with pushing off the defender before making a catch. He has carved out a very good career for a player with average speed/talent by mastering the art of cheating without being guilty of cheating.

 

[North]

<-------Ravens LBs and DBs

It's called football, and Ward is a classic "football player", and he will be in the HOF while Bart Scott cries.

I like Ward. But he won't be in HOF IMO.

I can see how you might think that on a numbers argument, but I honestly have no doubts both Ward and Bettis(the other Steeler people think won't get in either) will both be in Canton. Ward is a STUD football player, plain and simple.

Bettis, yes. To think Ward gets in the HOF is delusional.

His career is not over, he'll more than likely have over 1000 catches, around 13,000 yards and around 90 or so TDs when all is said and done. In this Steelers offense, that is HOF worthy, and just think of the garbage QBs he had throwing to him and the offensive philosphy. If he was with the Rams or Colts, you don't think Ward would have had better #s? Both the WRs he passed up in the Steelers record books are in the HOF. If you think he has no shot, I believe you to be the delusional one. What if he plays a big part in another SB ? He already has 1 SB MVP, what if he somehow got another one ? He's a Steeler legend, don't think that doesn't play a part in getting to the HOF.

There have been plenty of Superbowl MVP's who haven't gotten into the HOF, Deon Branch was Superbowl MVP the year before! He has no chance of getting there unless he buys a ticket to watch Brady go in.Just b/c he is a Steeler legend doesn't get him in either. The reason it got other Steelers in in the past is b/c of the team that they were a part of and what they had accomplished as a group. Hines Ward has not been a part of anything like that.

He (Ward) is an AVERAGE receiver with good blocking skills. He (Ward) has just been able to stay healthy, but averaging 950 yards per year and 7 tds is not HOF numbers.

 

[twitch]

<-------Ravens LBs and DBs

It's called football, and Ward is a classic "football player", and he will be in the HOF while Bart Scott cries.

I like Ward. But he won't be in HOF IMO.

I can see how you might think that on a numbers argument, but I honestly have no doubts both Ward and Bettis(the other Steeler people think won't get in either) will both be in Canton. Ward is a STUD football player, plain and simple.

Bettis, yes. To think Ward gets in the HOF is delusional.

His career is not over, he'll more than likely have over 1000 catches, around 13,000 yards and around 90 or so TDs when all is said and done. In this Steelers offense, that is HOF worthy, and just think of the garbage QBs he had throwing to him and the offensive philosphy. If he was with the Rams or Colts, you don't think Ward would have had better #s? Both the WRs he passed up in the Steelers record books are in the HOF. If you think he has no shot, I believe you to be the delusional one. What if he plays a big part in another SB ? He already has 1 SB MVP, what if he somehow got another one ? He's a Steeler legend, don't think that doesn't play a part in getting to the HOF.

There have been plenty of Superbowl MVP's who haven't gotten into the HOF, Deon Branch was Superbowl MVP the year before! He has no chance of getting there unless he buys a ticket to watch Brady go in.Just b/c he is a Steeler legend doesn't get him in either. The reason it got other Steelers in in the past is b/c of the team that they were a part of and what they had accomplished as a group. Hines Ward has not been a part of anything like that.

He (Ward) is an AVERAGE receiver with good blocking skills. He (Ward) has just been able to stay healthy, but averaging 950 yards per year and 7 tds is not HOF numbers.

I dont see you quite grapsing this discussion objectively, if you genuinely think Hines Ward is an average receiver. Hines Ward may be an average professional athlete, but he's anything but an average receiver. And if they happen to win another ring in a few weeks, he's a mortal lock HOFer, imo. His total package/resume as a player combined with the media's obsession with the man's blocking, which by and large allow him to stand out basically on his own pedestal, will cement his legacy. Throw in the SBMVP, the near 1000 catches by the time he's done, all the Steeler winning. Chisel it in stone. Steelers win today, its about a done deal.

 

[Parrothead]

I hope Hines Ward knocks the tampon out of Bart Scott tonight!

 

[Sheriff66]

I hope Hines Ward knocks the tampon out of Bart Scott tonight!

 

[Sheriff66]

<-------Ravens LBs and DBs

It's called football, and Ward is a classic "football player", and he will be in the HOF while Bart Scott cries.

I like Ward. But he won't be in HOF IMO.

I can see how you might think that on a numbers argument, but I honestly have no doubts both Ward and Bettis(the other Steeler people think won't get in either) will both be in Canton. Ward is a STUD football player, plain and simple.

Bettis, yes. To think Ward gets in the HOF is delusional.

His career is not over, he'll more than likely have over 1000 catches, around 13,000 yards and around 90 or so TDs when all is said and done. In this Steelers offense, that is HOF worthy, and just think of the garbage QBs he had throwing to him and the offensive philosphy. If he was with the Rams or Colts, you don't think Ward would have had better #s? Both the WRs he passed up in the Steelers record books are in the HOF. If you think he has no shot, I believe you to be the delusional one. What if he plays a big part in another SB ? He already has 1 SB MVP, what if he somehow got another one ? He's a Steeler legend, don't think that doesn't play a part in getting to the HOF.

There have been plenty of Superbowl MVP's who haven't gotten into the HOF, Deon Branch was Superbowl MVP the year before! He has no chance of getting there unless he buys a ticket to watch Brady go in.Just b/c he is a Steeler legend doesn't get him in either. The reason it got other Steelers in in the past is b/c of the team that they were a part of and what they had accomplished as a group. Hines Ward has not been a part of anything like that.

He (Ward) is an AVERAGE receiver with good blocking skills. He (Ward) has just been able to stay healthy, but averaging 950 yards per year and 7 tds is not HOF numbers.

If you think Ward is just an average receiver, that tells me that you know nothing about football, or you have never seen him play. His #s are already on par or better than some HOFers, and his post season numbers are already better than almost every receiver to ever play the game(plus a SB MVP shows he comes up big when it counts). Go live in your dream world that Ward is just an "OK" receiver...

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I hope Hines Ward knocks the tampon out of Bart Scott tonight!

See, these are the kind of posts that don't belong in the Shark Pool. This forum exists for FACTUAL analysis of the NFL.You have no way of knowing whether Bart Scott is on his period right now or not.

 

[Super King]

At least Scott had his head on a swivel last time they played

link

Wow. He barely avoided get knocked unconscious.

 

[Parrothead]

I hope Hines Ward knocks the tampon out of Bart Scott tonight!

See, these are the kind of posts that don't belong in the Shark Pool. This forum exists for FACTUAL analysis of the NFL.You have no way of knowing whether Bart Scott is on his period right now or not.

 

[JohnnyU]

<-------Ravens LBs and DBs

It's called football, and Ward is a classic "football player", and he will be in the HOF while Bart Scott cries.

I like Ward. But he won't be in HOF IMO.

I can see how you might think that on a numbers argument, but I honestly have no doubts both Ward and Bettis(the other Steeler people think won't get in either) will both be in Canton. Ward is a STUD football player, plain and simple.

Bettis, yes. To think Ward gets in the HOF is delusional.

His career is not over, he'll more than likely have over 1000 catches, around 13,000 yards and around 90 or so TDs when all is said and done. In this Steelers offense, that is HOF worthy, and just think of the garbage QBs he had throwing to him and the offensive philosphy. If he was with the Rams or Colts, you don't think Ward would have had better #s? Both the WRs he passed up in the Steelers record books are in the HOF. If you think he has no shot, I believe you to be the delusional one. What if he plays a big part in another SB ? He already has 1 SB MVP, what if he somehow got another one ? He's a Steeler legend, don't think that doesn't play a part in getting to the HOF.

There have been plenty of Superbowl MVP's who haven't gotten into the HOF, Deon Branch was Superbowl MVP the year before! He has no chance of getting there unless he buys a ticket to watch Brady go in.Just b/c he is a Steeler legend doesn't get him in either. The reason it got other Steelers in in the past is b/c of the team that they were a part of and what they had accomplished as a group. Hines Ward has not been a part of anything like that.

He (Ward) is an AVERAGE receiver with good blocking skills. He (Ward) has just been able to stay healthy, but averaging 950 yards per year and 7 tds is not HOF numbers.

I dont see you quite grapsing this discussion objectively, if you genuinely think Hines Ward is an average receiver. Hines Ward may be an average professional athlete, but he's anything but an average receiver. And if they happen to win another ring in a few weeks, he's a mortal lock HOFer, imo. His total package/resume as a player combined with the media's obsession with the man's blocking, which by and large allow him to stand out basically on his own pedestal, will cement his legacy. Throw in the SBMVP, the near 1000 catches by the time he's done, all the Steeler winning. Chisel it in stone. Steelers win today, its about a done deal.

Will it be a "done deal" if he cheap shots someone and seriously injures them?

 

[kremenull]

"His time will come. He'll get his... He'll come across the middle one day, and someone will hit him or take out his knee. The guy will be fined and [Ward] will be gone. No one will even care. No one will send him any cards saying they're sorry. Not to that guy... You reap what you sow."

I'm so tired of hearing big macho defensive players crying like little schoolgirls when little Hinesy hits them too hard. Especially when these guys live for knocking people out, whether or not that player knows they're coming. What a bunch of ##$$ies.

That's one take I guess.The other is that he's been a cheap shot ##### for a decade and is voted one of the dirtiest players in the NFL year after year for a reason.

That's a bunch of b.s. Ward is as clean as they come. It's just that those guys dish it out but can't take it. It's pathetic.

Hitting a guy (K.Rivers) from the blindside as vicious as Hines did, more importantly, when a guy is not looking nor aware of you as Rivers was not, is not illegal per the rulebook......but ethically, there is something not quite OK with that......It's called being able to protect yourself.....when a guy has no shot to protect himself, and a player inflicts a wicked shot on him, that is a cheap shot, no matter how you slice it. Hines could have easily blocked Rivers out of that play without totally creaming him like he did, and putting the guy on IR to boot.....So for my vote, Hines is indeed a borderline dirty player as he does this type of stuff regularly....

 

[kremenull]

Ray Lewis cracked Mendenhall's shoulder on a head-up, man-to-man tackle in the middle of the field. If a guy gets KO'd for the season in that type of situation, so be it....that's what you call a man's man.....None of that hit you hard while you're not looking junk.....

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Hitting a guy (K.Rivers) from the blindside as vicious as Hines did, more importantly, when a guy is not looking nor aware of you as Rivers was not, is not illegal per the rulebook......but ethically, there is something not quite OK with that......It's called being able to protect yourself.....when a guy has no shot to protect himself, and a player inflicts a wicked shot on him, that is a cheap shot, no matter how you slice it. Hines could have easily blocked Rivers out of that play without totally creaming him like he did, and putting the guy on IR to boot.....So for my vote, Hines is indeed a borderline dirty player as he does this type of stuff regularly....

High, blindside, late or away from the play. It's Ward's way of life. And it's why he's a dirty player.

 

[slayer666]

Hines Ward plays the game hard until the whistle blows, the way the game is supposed to be played. On an interception return, any defensive player worth his salt will tell you they live for that free blind-side shot on the quarterback. Football is a violent game, definitely not for #######. Keep your head on a swivel AT ALL TIMES.

 

[beermutts]

I don't care about Ward, its Ben that I am worried about.....

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Hitting a guy (K.Rivers) from the blindside as vicious as Hines did, more importantly, when a guy is not looking nor aware of you as Rivers was not, is not illegal per the rulebook......but ethically, there is something not quite OK with that......It's called being able to protect yourself.....when a guy has no shot to protect himself, and a player inflicts a wicked shot on him, that is a cheap shot, no matter how you slice it. Hines could have easily blocked Rivers out of that play without totally creaming him like he did, and putting the guy on IR to boot.....So for my vote, Hines is indeed a borderline dirty player as he does this type of stuff regularly....

High, blindside, late or away from the play. It's Ward's way of life. And it's why he's a dirty player.

So, you guys have a problem with defensive players laying blindside sacks on a QB when he doesn't see the rusher coming? Should a defensive player closing in on a QB that doesn't see him coming be ethically compelled to pull up rather than go for the huge hit? Is that a cheap shot? Or do you yell "ooooooooooooooooh !!!!! What a hit !!!"? When a receiver goes over the middle and makes a catch and gets decleated by a safety or corner that the receiver didn't see coming, is that unethical? Or is it a great play because it often separates the receiver from the ball? Don't try to argue that what Ward does is different, because it isn't.

 

[Adebisi]

Ray Lewis cracked Mendenhall's shoulder on a head-up, man-to-man tackle in the middle of the field. If a guy gets KO'd for the season in that type of situation, so be it....that's what you call a man's man.....None of that hit you hard while you're not looking junk.....

How about keeping your head in the game and being aware at all times? Is that "junk" too?And who is Bart Scott to be talking this way anyway?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Ray Lewis cracked Mendenhall's shoulder on a head-up, man-to-man tackle in the middle of the field. If a guy gets KO'd for the season in that type of situation, so be it....that's what you call a man's man.....None of that hit you hard while you're not looking junk.....

And admittedly got up afterwards yelling "He's done !!!" In Ray's own words (paraphrasing) - he wasn't yelling he's done, like he's going out of the game, he yelled "he's done" like, he's done for the season. So, he ended a guy's season, then crowed about it and collected a cash bounty for hurting him. I'm not killing Lewis here, either. I get that a lot of that is about intimidation, so do what you will. All I'm saying is that to hold Lewis up as a vanguard of what a "man's man" is is a little bit odd when calling out Ward.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

So, you guys have a problem with defensive players laying blindside sacks on a QB when he doesn't see the rusher coming? Should a defensive player closing in on a QB that doesn't see him coming be ethically compelled to pull up rather than go for the huge hit? Is that a cheap shot? Or do you yell "ooooooooooooooooh !!!!! What a hit !!!"? When a receiver goes over the middle and makes a catch and gets decleated by a safety or corner that the receiver didn't see coming, is that unethical? Or is it a great play because it often separates the receiver from the ball? Don't try to argue that what Ward does is different, because it isn't.

Depends...Is the QB 50 yards from the play as the ball carrier goes out of bounds? Is the QB's jaw broken from a helmet to the head? Is the QB hit after he hears the whistle and lets up on the play?Are WRs protected by rule from absorbing big hits when they're 'defenseless' even if they're in the process of catching a pass?What Ward does is take advantage of the fact that the rules on marginally high/late/unnecessary hits aren't applied to protect defensive players the same way they are for offensive skill guys (like Ward).For my money what he does is cowardly, much like Roger Clemens throwing at guys heads knowing full well he'll never have to step into the batters' box himself; if defensive guys made the same hits Ward does they'd be penalized and fined.

 

[Sheriff66]

So, you guys have a problem with defensive players laying blindside sacks on a QB when he doesn't see the rusher coming? Should a defensive player closing in on a QB that doesn't see him coming be ethically compelled to pull up rather than go for the huge hit? Is that a cheap shot? Or do you yell "ooooooooooooooooh !!!!! What a hit !!!"? When a receiver goes over the middle and makes a catch and gets decleated by a safety or corner that the receiver didn't see coming, is that unethical? Or is it a great play because it often separates the receiver from the ball? Don't try to argue that what Ward does is different, because it isn't.

Depends...Is the QB 50 yards from the play as the ball carrier goes out of bounds? Is the QB's jaw broken from a helmet to the head? Is the QB hit after he hears the whistle and lets up on the play?

Are WRs protected by rule from absorbing big hits when they're 'defenseless' even if they're in the process of catching a pass?

What Ward does is take advantage of the fact that the rules on marginally high/late/unnecessary hits aren't applied to protect defensive players the same way they are for offensive skill guys (like Ward).

For my money what he does is cowardly, much like Roger Clemens throwing at guys heads knowing full well he'll never have to step into the batters' box himself.

WRONGWard goes over the middle A LOT, they have plenty of oppertunities to lay him out, Bart Scott is a ######.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Ward goes over the middle A LOT, they have plenty of oppertunities to lay him out, Bart Scott is a ######.

If Scott hits Ward like Ward hits most of his guys he'd be flagged, fined and eventually suspended. Ward is protected by rules against big shots while he's catching the ball, while the play is being blown dead, while he's completely away from the play and from hits up high. Those same rules are not used to protect defensive guys.

 

[Steeler]

So some of you are saying that an NFL WR shouldn't hit an NFL defender when he isn't looking?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

So, you guys have a problem with defensive players laying blindside sacks on a QB when he doesn't see the rusher coming? Should a defensive player closing in on a QB that doesn't see him coming be ethically compelled to pull up rather than go for the huge hit? Is that a cheap shot? Or do you yell "ooooooooooooooooh !!!!! What a hit !!!"? When a receiver goes over the middle and makes a catch and gets decleated by a safety or corner that the receiver didn't see coming, is that unethical? Or is it a great play because it often separates the receiver from the ball? Don't try to argue that what Ward does is different, because it isn't.

Depends...Is the QB 50 yards from the play as the ball carrier goes out of bounds? Is the QB's jaw broken from a helmet to the head? Is the QB hit after he hears the whistle and lets up on the play?

Are WRs protected by rule from absorbing big hits when they're 'defenseless' even if they're in the process of catching a pass?

What Ward does is take advantage of the fact that the rules on marginally high/late/unnecessary hits aren't applied to protect defensive players the same way they are for offensive skill guys (like Ward).

For my money what he does is cowardly, much like Roger Clemens throwing at guys heads knowing full well he'll never have to step into the batters' box himself; if defensive guys made the same hits Ward does they'd be penalized and fined.

Stop it. By the jaw comment, you're talking about the rivers hit. Not only does Ward lead with his shoulder, not his helmet, but it was anything but 50 yards from the play. Rivers was pursuing the ball carrier with a real chance at making a play when Ward took him out. it was a clean, legal, heads-up play. You're not seeing it clearly, you're trying to find something (dirty) that isn't there (and don't tell me I'm wearing homer glasses here, the NFL ruled it clean and legit a week after they had just fined Ward for two other plays he made, neither of which deserved a fine and neither of which were penalized.) The hit he made on your boy Scott was not after the whistle.. that was clean too. If Scott "let up" on the play, that's on him. Quit whining.To the bolded part, you really believe Hines "never has to step in the batters box?" He's a WIDE RECEIVER. Defenders are paid to knock him around all game long. Don't give me the rules crap.. receivers are open to more huge hits with running starts and hits when they can't defend themselves than any other position.

 

[kremenull]

Ray Lewis cracked Mendenhall's shoulder on a head-up, man-to-man tackle in the middle of the field. If a guy gets KO'd for the season in that type of situation, so be it....that's what you call a man's man.....None of that hit you hard while you're not looking junk.....

And admittedly got up afterwards yelling "He's done !!!" In Ray's own words (paraphrasing) - he wasn't yelling he's done, like he's going out of the game, he yelled "he's done" like, he's done for the season. So, he ended a guy's season, then crowed about it and collected a cash bounty for hurting him. I'm not killing Lewis here, either. I get that a lot of that is about intimidation, so do what you will. All I'm saying is that to hold Lewis up as a vanguard of what a "man's man" is is a little bit odd when calling out Ward.

That's what u (Mendenhall) for talking smack before the game about how you're going to run all over a very tough, and very proud, defense.....No problem with Ray crowing about destroying a guy with a very clean hit......And to the other responders, laying out a QB is always an objective for any team....These guys (QBs) have so many added protections in the rulebook that if you get a chance to hit him on a sack, int return, or QB run, or whatever, blast him....I would certainly argue that the Hines Ward crackback (on Rivers) is much different......1) it's called physics......2 objects going full-tilt in opposite directions will cause a much more forceful collision (F = M*A), and 2) when you are a skill-position player, just be aware that what you dish out be prepared to also receive....if there is an interception for Balt today, who is the 1st person that every Balt defender will be looking for.....hmmmmmm. This is why most guys on offense (skill position) will not resort to playing the game in this fashion.....there is a big difference between a nice crackback block and a vicious crackback block.....you can still achieve the objective of knocking the guy out of the play with a nice crackback block, but when you pretty much lead with your head right below a guy's chin when both guy's are going full-tilt in opposite directions, I sincerely question your intentions

 

[slayer666]

For my money what he [Ward] does is cowardly, much like Roger Clemens throwing at guys heads knowing full well he'll never have to step into the batters' box himself; if defensive guys made the same hits Ward does they'd be penalized and fined.

You can't be serious.

 

[Britney Spears]

Interesting discussion on Hines Ward as a HOF'er. Someone should set up a poll.

Honestly I never thought he would even be considered, but he's definitely one of those guys that's been consistently good for a long time. I would say he's never been "great", but what exactly is the criteria for the HOF anyway? Seems pretty subjective. The guy is in the media a lot, so maybe he makes it.

In terms of being dirty? Forget about it. I find it funny the shock put forward by these defensive players that are used to having free reign to smash people (sometimes defenseless WR's even), and now having to look out for it themselves.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Ray Lewis cracked Mendenhall's shoulder on a head-up, man-to-man tackle in the middle of the field. If a guy gets KO'd for the season in that type of situation, so be it....that's what you call a man's man.....None of that hit you hard while you're not looking junk.....

And admittedly got up afterwards yelling "He's done !!!" In Ray's own words (paraphrasing) - he wasn't yelling he's done, like he's going out of the game, he yelled "he's done" like, he's done for the season. So, he ended a guy's season, then crowed about it and collected a cash bounty for hurting him. I'm not killing Lewis here, either. I get that a lot of that is about intimidation, so do what you will. All I'm saying is that to hold Lewis up as a vanguard of what a "man's man" is is a little bit odd when calling out Ward.

That's what u (Mendenhall) for talking smack before the game about how you're going to run all over a very tough, and very proud, defense.....No problem with Ray crowing about destroying a guy with a very clean hit......And to the other responders, laying out a QB is always an objective for any team....These guys (QBs) have so many added protections in the rulebook that if you get a chance to hit him on a sack, int return, or QB run, or whatever, blast him....I would certainly argue that the Hines Ward crackback (on Rivers) is much different......1) it's called physics......2 objects going full-tilt in opposite directions will cause a much more forceful collision (F = M*A), and 2) when you are a skill-position player, just be aware that what you dish out be prepared to also receive....if there is an interception for Balt today, who is the 1st person that every Balt defender will be looking for.....hmmmmmm. This is why most guys on offense (skill position) will not resort to playing the game in this fashion.....there is a big difference between a nice crackback block and a vicious crackback block.....you can still achieve the objective of knocking the guy out of the play with a nice crackback block, but when you pretty much lead with your head right below a guy's chin when both guy's are going full-tilt in opposite directions, I sincerely question your intentions

In the same post you say there's nothing wrong with crowing specifically about putting a guy on IR and collecting a cash bounty for it, but then you question Ward's intentions with his legal crackback block (which the NFL reviewed and ruled he led with his shoulder, not his helmet). Interesting.

 

[bryhamm]

Nice to see no one is going soft the day before the game.

By the way, here are some of Ward's biggest hits...Bart Scott included

solid clean hits with exception of Ed reed one. Love to see guys going all out to make sure their team gets that extra few yards

Thanks for the video. I thought Hines Ward was merely a hard nosed player until I saw that clip. Every hit was him spearing the opponent in the neck area. Bad bad bad.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Ray Lewis cracked Mendenhall's shoulder on a head-up, man-to-man tackle in the middle of the field. If a guy gets KO'd for the season in that type of situation, so be it....that's what you call a man's man.....None of that hit you hard while you're not looking junk.....

And admittedly got up afterwards yelling "He's done !!!" In Ray's own words (paraphrasing) - he wasn't yelling he's done, like he's going out of the game, he yelled "he's done" like, he's done for the season. So, he ended a guy's season, then crowed about it and collected a cash bounty for hurting him. I'm not killing Lewis here, either. I get that a lot of that is about intimidation, so do what you will. All I'm saying is that to hold Lewis up as a vanguard of what a "man's man" is is a little bit odd when calling out Ward.

That's what u (Mendenhall) for talking smack before the game about how you're going to run all over a very tough, and very proud, defense.....No problem with Ray crowing about destroying a guy with a very clean hit......And to the other responders, laying out a QB is always an objective for any team....These guys (QBs) have so many added protections in the rulebook that if you get a chance to hit him on a sack, int return, or QB run, or whatever, blast him....I would certainly argue that the Hines Ward crackback (on Rivers) is much different......1) it's called physics......2 objects going full-tilt in opposite directions will cause a much more forceful collision (F = M*A), and 2) when you are a skill-position player, just be aware that what you dish out be prepared to also receive....if there is an interception for Balt today, who is the 1st person that every Balt defender will be looking for.....hmmmmmm. This is why most guys on offense (skill position) will not resort to playing the game in this fashion.....there is a big difference between a nice crackback block and a vicious crackback block.....you can still achieve the objective of knocking the guy out of the play with a nice crackback block, but when you pretty much lead with your head right below a guy's chin when both guy's are going full-tilt in opposite directions, I sincerely question your intentions

In the same post you say there's nothing wrong with crowing specifically about putting a guy on IR and collecting a cash bounty for it, but then you question Ward's intentions with his legal crackback block (which the NFL reviewed and ruled he led with his shoulder, not his helmet). Interesting.

Baited ya in, didn't they EG?

 

[Futeki]

Nice to see no one is going soft the day before the game.

By the way, here are some of Ward's biggest hits...Bart Scott included

solid clean hits with exception of Ed reed one. Love to see guys going all out to make sure their team gets that extra few yards

Thanks for the video. I thought Hines Ward was merely a hard nosed player until I saw that clip. Every hit was him spearing the opponent in the neck area. Bad bad bad.

I watched again. One time he didn't lead with his head and spear. That play was over a couple of seconds before he made the hit.I don't have an agenda here. I like Hines Ward. I love players who give it their all every play. I would love to have him on my team. That said, those hits are dirty.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Ray Lewis cracked Mendenhall's shoulder on a head-up, man-to-man tackle in the middle of the field. If a guy gets KO'd for the season in that type of situation, so be it....that's what you call a man's man.....None of that hit you hard while you're not looking junk.....

And admittedly got up afterwards yelling "He's done !!!" In Ray's own words (paraphrasing) - he wasn't yelling he's done, like he's going out of the game, he yelled "he's done" like, he's done for the season. So, he ended a guy's season, then crowed about it and collected a cash bounty for hurting him. I'm not killing Lewis here, either. I get that a lot of that is about intimidation, so do what you will. All I'm saying is that to hold Lewis up as a vanguard of what a "man's man" is is a little bit odd when calling out Ward.

That's what u (Mendenhall) for talking smack before the game about how you're going to run all over a very tough, and very proud, defense.....No problem with Ray crowing about destroying a guy with a very clean hit......And to the other responders, laying out a QB is always an objective for any team....These guys (QBs) have so many added protections in the rulebook that if you get a chance to hit him on a sack, int return, or QB run, or whatever, blast him....I would certainly argue that the Hines Ward crackback (on Rivers) is much different......1) it's called physics......2 objects going full-tilt in opposite directions will cause a much more forceful collision (F = M*A), and 2) when you are a skill-position player, just be aware that what you dish out be prepared to also receive....if there is an interception for Balt today, who is the 1st person that every Balt defender will be looking for.....hmmmmmm. This is why most guys on offense (skill position) will not resort to playing the game in this fashion.....there is a big difference between a nice crackback block and a vicious crackback block.....you can still achieve the objective of knocking the guy out of the play with a nice crackback block, but when you pretty much lead with your head right below a guy's chin when both guy's are going full-tilt in opposite directions, I sincerely question your intentions

In the same post you say there's nothing wrong with crowing specifically about putting a guy on IR and collecting a cash bounty for it, but then you question Ward's intentions with his legal crackback block (which the NFL reviewed and ruled he led with his shoulder, not his helmet). Interesting.

Baited ya in, didn't they EG?

Every time I think I'm out..... I'm just of the mind that it's all in the game. I never ripped Lewis for his comments after the Mendenhall injury because it's all just mind games and intimidation. I just think anyone who thinks that's OK should be able to stomach Ward's play as well.

 

[Sheriff66]

Sweed doing his Ward impression

 

[JamesTheScot]

My problem with Ward is that I think he relishes the opportunity to crackback on someone in the same way some DB's relish the opportunity to take a WR's head off when he crosses the middle.

There's a certain amount of violence associated with the game, but when you get off on hitting a guy who doesn't see it coming or whose job it is to ignore you to focus his concentration somewhere else, I don't respect that at all. If your reputation for toughness is based upon dishing out those kind of hits, I'd say it's not worth much.

That's where the difference is to me. And the trashtalking...can't stand the trashtalking.