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I personally have a problem with any trade that involves the phrase "Manny and" in it, as Manny alone is worth any single player in the league except maybe A-Rod.

I personally have a problem with any trade that involves the phrase "Manny and" in it, as Manny alone is worth any single player in the league except maybe A-Rod.
Keep this in mind: Chad Bradford's nickname is "Country". He'll fit in well in the big city of New York. BTW, how's Jeff Weaver doing? (I know, different team)NYM signs P Chad Bradford.
BAL signs OF Jeremy Burnitz.
I personally have a problem with any trade that involves the phrase "Manny and" in it, as Manny alone is worth any single player in the league except maybe A-Rod.![]()
Dennis Cook was as country as you get (warmed up to "Simple Man" by Charlie Daniels) and he had a couple of nice years out of the pen for the Mets.Keep this in mind: Chad Bradford's nickname is "Country". He'll fit in well in the big city of New York. BTW, how's Jeff Weaver doing? (I know, different team)NYM signs P Chad Bradford.
BAL signs OF Jeremy Burnitz.
True. I just remember in the book "Moneyball" where they discussed how Bradford struggles when the crowd is going nuts. But then again, this is the Mets, so it still may not be an issue for him.Dennis Cook was as country as you get (warmed up to "Simple Man" by Charlie Daniels) and he had a couple of nice years out of the pen for the Mets.Keep this in mind: Chad Bradford's nickname is "Country". He'll fit in well in the big city of New York. BTW, how's Jeff Weaver doing? (I know, different team)NYM signs P Chad Bradford.
BAL signs OF Jeremy Burnitz.
well they said similar things about Trachsel and he actually responded well after the "THrow the Ball" chants.True. I just remember in the book "Moneyball" where they discussed how Bradford struggles when the crowd is going nuts. But then again, this is the Mets, so it still may not be an issue for him.Dennis Cook was as country as you get (warmed up to "Simple Man" by Charlie Daniels) and he had a couple of nice years out of the pen for the Mets.Keep this in mind: Chad Bradford's nickname is "Country". He'll fit in well in the big city of New York. BTW, how's Jeff Weaver doing? (I know, different team)NYM signs P Chad Bradford.
BAL signs OF Jeremy Burnitz.![]()
Chewing Skoal takes time.well they said similar things about Trachsel and he actually responded well after the "THrow the Ball" chants.True. I just remember in the book "Moneyball" where they discussed how Bradford struggles when the crowd is going nuts. But then again, this is the Mets, so it still may not be an issue for him.Dennis Cook was as country as you get (warmed up to "Simple Man" by Charlie Daniels) and he had a couple of nice years out of the pen for the Mets.Keep this in mind: Chad Bradford's nickname is "Country". He'll fit in well in the big city of New York. BTW, how's Jeff Weaver doing? (I know, different team)NYM signs P Chad Bradford.
BAL signs OF Jeremy Burnitz.![]()
The "bad chemistry" part is incorrect. I'm a Mass native and have followed the Sox for most of my life.Manny is well-loved by the players on the team. He's quite popular and it's why teammates aren't tougher on him for his on-field issues.I personally have a problem with any trade that involves the phrase "Manny and" in it, as Manny alone is worth any single player in the league except maybe A-Rod.![]()
He's like a chubby Terrell Owens. Manny has all the talent and bad chemistry to screw up a clubhouse, he just comes without the "physical specimen" package. Plus factor in that he makes 20 mil a year, and he's about as wanted as a brick being dropped on your head from the top of the Sears Tower.
This may be true, but doesn't it seem ever 6 months that Manny always asks for a trade? Isn't that very T.O-esque?The "bad chemistry" part is incorrect. I'm a Mass native and have followed the Sox for most of my life.Manny is well-loved by the players on the team. He's quite popular and it's why teammates aren't tougher on him for his on-field issues.I personally have a problem with any trade that involves the phrase "Manny and" in it, as Manny alone is worth any single player in the league except maybe A-Rod.![]()
He's like a chubby Terrell Owens. Manny has all the talent and bad chemistry to screw up a clubhouse, he just comes without the "physical specimen" package. Plus factor in that he makes 20 mil a year, and he's about as wanted as a brick being dropped on your head from the top of the Sears Tower.
Manny and TO are two completey different cases. Manny can act up and in a few days its over. With TO, his disruptions linger and can last the entire season. Manny has no problems in the clubhouse that I know of. I have never heard a teammate complain about him, it seems like they can deal with his antics no problem, they know he's quirky and generally like the guy.This may be true, but doesn't it seem ever 6 months that Manny always asks for a trade? Isn't that very T.O-esque?The "bad chemistry" part is incorrect. I'm a Mass native and have followed the Sox for most of my life.Manny is well-loved by the players on the team. He's quite popular and it's why teammates aren't tougher on him for his on-field issues.I personally have a problem with any trade that involves the phrase "Manny and" in it, as Manny alone is worth any single player in the league except maybe A-Rod.![]()
He's like a chubby Terrell Owens. Manny has all the talent and bad chemistry to screw up a clubhouse, he just comes without the "physical specimen" package. Plus factor in that he makes 20 mil a year, and he's about as wanted as a brick being dropped on your head from the top of the Sears Tower.
Manny does have a kind of "aloof" personality. I can see where he fits in ok, I guess.Move along, nothing to see here.Manny and TO are two completey different cases. Manny can act up and in a few days its over. With TO, his disruptions linger and can last the entire season. Manny has no problems in the clubhouse that I know of. I have never heard a teammate complain about him, it seems like they can deal with his antics no problem, they know he's quirky and generally like the guy.This may be true, but doesn't it seem ever 6 months that Manny always asks for a trade? Isn't that very T.O-esque?The "bad chemistry" part is incorrect. I'm a Mass native and have followed the Sox for most of my life.Manny is well-loved by the players on the team. He's quite popular and it's why teammates aren't tougher on him for his on-field issues.I personally have a problem with any trade that involves the phrase "Manny and" in it, as Manny alone is worth any single player in the league except maybe A-Rod.![]()
He's like a chubby Terrell Owens. Manny has all the talent and bad chemistry to screw up a clubhouse, he just comes without the "physical specimen" package. Plus factor in that he makes 20 mil a year, and he's about as wanted as a brick being dropped on your head from the top of the Sears Tower.
Bradford pitched very well for THE BOSTON RED SOX last season. If he can survive here, he can survive just about anywhere.Keep this in mind: Chad Bradford's nickname is "Country". He'll fit in well in the big city of New York. BTW, how's Jeff Weaver doing? (I know, different team)NYM signs P Chad Bradford.
BAL signs OF Jeremy Burnitz.
Report: Pirates sign Randa 12/28/05 11:55:03 PM CTPittsburgh, PA (Sports Network) - The Pittsburgh Pirates have reportedly reached an agreement on a one-year deal with third baseman Joe Randa.The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that the deal is contingent on the free agent passing a physical.The 10-year veteran split last season between the Cincinnati Reds and San Diego Padres and hit .276 with 17 home runs and 68 runs batted in.This will be Randa's second stint with the Pirates as he spent the 1997 season with the club. He has also played with Kansas City and Detroit.For his career, the 36-year-old has a lifetime batting average of .285 with 119 home runs and 711 RBI.
I feel much better with Cairo there than Felix Escalona.
I missed something, does Miguel Cairo have ability to turn water into wine or something?
No, just a solid "baseball player" that the team lacks.I feel much better with Cairo there than Felix Escalona.
I missed something, does Miguel Cairo have ability to turn water into wine or something?
There are about 10 positional players that I would rather have on my team for reasons of age or ability.A-RodI personally have a problem with any trade that involves the phrase "Manny and" in it, as Manny alone is worth any single player in the league except maybe A-Rod.![]()
I don't disagree that the guys you listed aren't great players, but I still don't think that they merit a package of guys including Manny to get them (if there were even available) BASED SOLELY ON TALENT/NUMBERS. As I mentioned earlier, if there are contract/value concerns that's different, but I have a hard time thinking that a guy that has put up 10 seasons in the Top 10 in OPS and Runs Created and is essentially a lock for the HOF at this stage needs to be bundled with other starters and prospects. Maybe in a few more seasons, but not as of yet. While Manny's OPS was a career low, he still ranked in the Top 5, so it's not like he fell off a cliff.There are about 10 positional players that I would rather have on my team for reasons of age or ability.A-RodI personally have a problem with any trade that involves the phrase "Manny and" in it, as Manny alone is worth any single player in the league except maybe A-Rod.![]()
Pujols
Lee
Ortiz
Hafner
Jason Bay (enters his "power years" next season)
Miguel Cabrera
Mark Texeira
and maybe Miguel Tejada, Bobby Abreu, or Vlad Guerrero
Manny's now 33, he makes a ton of money, and he had his worst BA and OBP since 1998 and his second worst SLG since then. He no longer plays like a 20 million dollar man, especially after salaries corrected themselves.
Next trade rumor:"Sawxnewz is reporting a 6 team trade is in the works between the Sawx, Orioles, Mets, Miami Dolphins, Yomiuri Giants, and the Tampa Bay Lightning. The trade goes as follows:Rotoworld is talking about a 4 team trade now involving the Mets, Orioles, Rays and Sox. Manny ends up in NY, Tejada + Garthright in Boston, the O's get Lugo, Clement + Benson while the Rays end up with Andy Marte, Heilman, Seo + K Matsui.
Seems a little to complicated to actually happen.
So, Manny, Clement and Marte for Tejada and Gathright? That seems like an awful lot to give from the Red Sox perspective. Tejada for Lugo, Clement and Benson? Can't believe the Os would do this, especially while Tejada remains in the East and they don't get Manny in return. But it IS the Os.Rotoworld is talking about a 4 team trade now involving the Mets, Orioles, Rays and Sox. Manny ends up in NY, Tejada + Garthright in Boston, the O's get Lugo, Clement + Benson while the Rays end up with Andy Marte, Heilman, Seo + K Matsui.
Seems a little to complicated to actually happen.
Rumor came from the NY Daily News, not Boston.Next trade rumor:"Sawxnewz is reporting a 6 team trade is in the works between the Sawx, Orioles, Mets, Miami Dolphins, Yomiuri Giants, and the Tampa Bay Lightning. The trade goes as follows:Rotoworld is talking about a 4 team trade now involving the Mets, Orioles, Rays and Sox. Manny ends up in NY, Tejada + Garthright in Boston, the O's get Lugo, Clement + Benson while the Rays end up with Andy Marte, Heilman, Seo + K Matsui.
Seems a little to complicated to actually happen.
The Sox get SS Miguel Tejada from the O's, RB Ricky Williams from Miami and C Vincent Lecavilier from Tampa
O's get LB Junior Seau from Miami and 3B Andy Marte from the Sox
Mets get 3B Ataki Eto, P Kimiyasu Kudo from Yomiuri and QB Cleo Lemon from Miami
Dolphins get Kris Benson from New York and Goalie John Grahame from Tampa,
Giants get RHP Aaron Heilman from New York
Tampa gets RHP Matt Clement and 1B Kevin Youklis from Boston as well as RB Travis Minor from Miami.
So in the end,
Sox trade 3B Andy Marte, 1B Kevin Youklis, and RHP Matt Clement for SS Miguel Tejada, C Vincent Lecavilier, who will be shifted from Center to Third Base, and RB Ricky Williams, who will be converted to Centerfield.
O's trade SS Miguel Tejada for LB Junior Seau, who will be shifted to DH, and 3B Andy Marte.
Mets trade RHP Kris Benson and LHP Jae Wong Seo for 3B Ataki Eto, P Kimiyasu Kudo, and QB Cleo Lemon, who will be converted to Starting Pitcher.
Miami trades LB Junior Seau, RB Travis Minor, RB Ricky Williams, and QB Cleo Lemon for RHP Kris Benson, who will be converted to Safety, and Goalie John Grahame, who will be converted to Fullback.
Yomiuri trades 3B Ataki Eto and P Kimiyasu Kudo for LHP Jae Wong Seo
Tampa trades C Vincent Lecavilier and G John Grahame for RHP Matt Clement, who will be converted to Center, 1B Kevin Youklis, who will be converted to Defenseman, and RB Travis Minor, who will be converted to Right Wing.
In the end, the Red Sox get three high profile, pricy guys to fill some spots they have open, while giving up young talent for it. O's get a solid hitter and a prospect. Mets are just happy to dump Benson, even if they get crappy spare parts in return. Dolphins dump salary (Mets are paying half the bill). Yomiuri....not sure why they're involved, really. Tampa gets screwed because they're a hockey franchise.
In all seriousness, I can give a damn less if Manny gets traded now. Too many rumors!
I agree. I hope the Sox keep Manny. I love watching him hit.But I also love the rumors. Hell, I even like the trades that random board members pull together out of thin air."So, Manny, Clement and Marte for Tejada and Gathright? That seems like an awful lot to give from the Red Sox perspective. "
Agreed, It seems very expensive for Boston. After it's all said and done I expect Manny in left field for the Sox next year and Tejada at SS for the O's. But the daily trade rumors are fun to read.
Gathright and Lugo for Marte, Heilman, Seo and Matsui? Capella have something to do with this?
The Mets have been engaged in ongoing talks with the Devil Rays about reliever Danys Baez, but, according to multiple baseball sources, those discussions could bloom into a blockbuster four-team trade scenario in which Manny Ramirez winds up at Shea and similarly disgruntled slugger Miguel Tejada lands in Boston.According to sources, both the Red Sox and Orioles have resigned themselves to accommodating the trade requests of Ramirez and Tejada, who want off of their respective teams. But since the Orioles have signed Jeromy Burnitz to complete their outfield, they may not have a match with the Red Sox in a straight-up Tejada-for-Ramirez deal, so several baseball executives said they'd have to get other teams involved.That's where the Mets and Devil Rays come in. The basics of the four-team deal that had the baseball executives buzzing yesterday and would appear to satisfy the needs of all four clubs would have Tejada and Tampa Bay's Joey Gathright going to the Red Sox to fill Boston's holes at shortstop and center field.Ramirez and Baez would go to the Mets, giving them one of the game's best sluggers and a setup man. The Orioles would satisfy their need at shortstop by getting Julio Lugo from Tampa Bay and add pitching by getting Matt Clement from Boston and possibly Kris Benson from the Mets.The Devil Rays, who have always been difficult to deal with, especially in complicated transactions, are seeking top prospects and young pitching and would be satisfied in that regard by getting third baseman Andy Marte from Boston and Jae Seo and Aaron Heilman from the Mets. In addition, the Mets would send Kaz Matsui to Tampa to give the D-Rays a stopgap shortstop replacement until prospect B.J. Upton is ready.An executive with one of the teams called the four-team scenario far-fetched, but an official with another of the teams said he expected to broach such talks.The Mets and GM Omar Minaya long have coveted Ramirez, a nine-time All-Star. Ramirez has said he wants to leave Boston and the Mets are one of the few clubs in baseball that could take on all or part of his monster salary - Ramirez is due $57 million over the next three seasons.Money, of course, could complicate the deal. In addition to Ramirez's hefty price tag, Tejada is owed $48 million and part of a $12 million signing bonus for the next four years.Independently, the Mets have been talking for weeks with the Devil Rays about Baez, who was 5-4 with a 2.86 ERA and 41 saves as a closer last season. Seo and Heilman have been mentioned as possible matches in a potential one-for-one deal, but two Mets sources said yesterday they would "absolutely" not part with Heilman for Baez.However, if talks expand and include bringing Ramirez to the Mets, Heilman might have to be sacrificed.If the Mets got Baez, he would set up for new closer Billy Wagner. But Baez doesn't seem to want to switch jobs. In an interview yesterday with the St. Petersburg Times, he said, "I don't know if I want to be a setup guy. I want to be a closer."But if they trade me, I don't have a choice. If they want me to be a setup guy, that's what I'll do."
Jays are a much better team than the Red Sox right now and Capella, aren't you a D-Rays fan? I would think you'd kill to see a 53-57 record.bingo.I can't wait until 2007 when the Jays are 53-57 and they decide to start dumping payroll after also missing the playoffs in 2006. Who doesn't see that coming?
What does this have to do with my comment? You would probably kill for a Stanley Cup. That's about as relevant as what you just said.and Capella, aren't you a D-Rays fan? I would think you'd kill to see a 53-57 record.
Jays are a much better team than the Red Sox right now and Capella, aren't you a D-Rays fan? I would think you'd kill to see a 53-57 record.bingo.I can't wait until 2007 when the Jays are 53-57 and they decide to start dumping payroll after also missing the playoffs in 2006. Who doesn't see that coming?
Except the season doesn't start for 3 three months...Jays are a much better team than the Red Sox right now
Aren't you the same guy who was running his mouth last year when the Jays were playing well in May? When I told you the season was young, you responded with some wise-### comment about how I didn't know what I was talking about and the Jays would keep it up all year?How'd that work out for you?Interesting Poll from ESPN
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation...tion14188=57884
1) Which team will win the AL East in 2006?
63.5% New York Yankees
26.5% Toronto Blue Jays
8.5% Boston Red Sox
0.7% Baltimore Orioles
0.7% Tampa Bay Devil Rays
2) Which team do you think has more talent at the moment?
76.3% Toronto Blue Jays
23.7% Boston Red Sox
3) Which team got the better of the trade between Arizona and Toronto?
73.7% Toronto: Troy Glaus
26.3% Arizona: Miguel Batista, Orlando Hudson
4) Who is Toronto's most important offseason acquisition?
43.6% A.J. Burnett
27.1% B.J. Ryan
24.0% Troy Glaus
5.3% Lyle Overbay
5) What do you think of Toronto GM J.P. Ricciardi's moves this offseason?
75.3% He's aggressively putting together a roster capable of contending.
16.7% He's making decent moves, but they won't be enough to matter.
8.0% He's recklessly spending money for the sake of spending money.
6) Who will be Toronto's best hitter in 2006?
58.8% Vernon Wells
27.0% Troy Glaus
10.9% Lyle Overbay
3.4% Other
7) Who is most likely to be the third part of the 1B-3B-DH rotation with Glaus and Overbay?
54.7% Shea Hillenbrand
28.0% Corey Koskie
17.3% Eric Hinske
8) Is prospect Aaron Hill ready to play second base for the Blue Jays?
81.0% Yes, it's time to give him the job.
19.0% No, the Blue Jays need to acquire a veteran.
9) Which team do you think has a better rotation at the moment?
69.4% Toronto Blue Jays: R. Halladay, A.J. Burnett, G. Chacin, T. Lilly, J. Towers
30.6% New York Yankees: R. Johnson, M. Mussina, C. Wang, S. Chacon, C. Pavano
10) Given the moves by Boston, New York and Toronto, what should the Orioles do with Miguel Tejada?
54.4% Trade him for prospects; the AL East is too tough right now.
29.4% Keep him and hope for the best with a few more additions.
16.3% Trade him for proven veteran talent and try to contend.
Total Votes: 25,667
Go D-Rays GoAren't you the same guy who was running his mouth last year when the Jays were playing well in May? When I told you the season was young, you responded with some wise-### comment about how I didn't know what I was talking about and the Jays would keep it up all year?How'd that work out for you?Interesting Poll from ESPN
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation...tion14188=57884
1) Which team will win the AL East in 2006?
63.5% New York Yankees
26.5% Toronto Blue Jays
8.5% Boston Red Sox
0.7% Baltimore Orioles
0.7% Tampa Bay Devil Rays
2) Which team do you think has more talent at the moment?
76.3% Toronto Blue Jays
23.7% Boston Red Sox
3) Which team got the better of the trade between Arizona and Toronto?
73.7% Toronto: Troy Glaus
26.3% Arizona: Miguel Batista, Orlando Hudson
4) Who is Toronto's most important offseason acquisition?
43.6% A.J. Burnett
27.1% B.J. Ryan
24.0% Troy Glaus
5.3% Lyle Overbay
5) What do you think of Toronto GM J.P. Ricciardi's moves this offseason?
75.3% He's aggressively putting together a roster capable of contending.
16.7% He's making decent moves, but they won't be enough to matter.
8.0% He's recklessly spending money for the sake of spending money.
6) Who will be Toronto's best hitter in 2006?
58.8% Vernon Wells
27.0% Troy Glaus
10.9% Lyle Overbay
3.4% Other
7) Who is most likely to be the third part of the 1B-3B-DH rotation with Glaus and Overbay?
54.7% Shea Hillenbrand
28.0% Corey Koskie
17.3% Eric Hinske
8) Is prospect Aaron Hill ready to play second base for the Blue Jays?
81.0% Yes, it's time to give him the job.
19.0% No, the Blue Jays need to acquire a veteran.
9) Which team do you think has a better rotation at the moment?
69.4% Toronto Blue Jays: R. Halladay, A.J. Burnett, G. Chacin, T. Lilly, J. Towers
30.6% New York Yankees: R. Johnson, M. Mussina, C. Wang, S. Chacon, C. Pavano
10) Given the moves by Boston, New York and Toronto, what should the Orioles do with Miguel Tejada?
54.4% Trade him for prospects; the AL East is too tough right now.
29.4% Keep him and hope for the best with a few more additions.
16.3% Trade him for proven veteran talent and try to contend.
Total Votes: 25,667
Good one. Forgot all the success the Jays have had the past decade.Go D-Rays GoAren't you the same guy who was running his mouth last year when the Jays were playing well in May? When I told you the season was young, you responded with some wise-### comment about how I didn't know what I was talking about and the Jays would keep it up all year?How'd that work out for you?Interesting Poll from ESPN
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation...tion14188=57884
1) Which team will win the AL East in 2006?
63.5% New York Yankees
26.5% Toronto Blue Jays
8.5% Boston Red Sox
0.7% Baltimore Orioles
0.7% Tampa Bay Devil Rays
2) Which team do you think has more talent at the moment?
76.3% Toronto Blue Jays
23.7% Boston Red Sox
3) Which team got the better of the trade between Arizona and Toronto?
73.7% Toronto: Troy Glaus
26.3% Arizona: Miguel Batista, Orlando Hudson
4) Who is Toronto's most important offseason acquisition?
43.6% A.J. Burnett
27.1% B.J. Ryan
24.0% Troy Glaus
5.3% Lyle Overbay
5) What do you think of Toronto GM J.P. Ricciardi's moves this offseason?
75.3% He's aggressively putting together a roster capable of contending.
16.7% He's making decent moves, but they won't be enough to matter.
8.0% He's recklessly spending money for the sake of spending money.
6) Who will be Toronto's best hitter in 2006?
58.8% Vernon Wells
27.0% Troy Glaus
10.9% Lyle Overbay
3.4% Other
7) Who is most likely to be the third part of the 1B-3B-DH rotation with Glaus and Overbay?
54.7% Shea Hillenbrand
28.0% Corey Koskie
17.3% Eric Hinske
8) Is prospect Aaron Hill ready to play second base for the Blue Jays?
81.0% Yes, it's time to give him the job.
19.0% No, the Blue Jays need to acquire a veteran.
9) Which team do you think has a better rotation at the moment?
69.4% Toronto Blue Jays: R. Halladay, A.J. Burnett, G. Chacin, T. Lilly, J. Towers
30.6% New York Yankees: R. Johnson, M. Mussina, C. Wang, S. Chacon, C. Pavano
10) Given the moves by Boston, New York and Toronto, what should the Orioles do with Miguel Tejada?
54.4% Trade him for prospects; the AL East is too tough right now.
29.4% Keep him and hope for the best with a few more additions.
16.3% Trade him for proven veteran talent and try to contend.
Total Votes: 25,667
really?Jays are a much better team than the Red Sox right now
Local skinny says you can bank on this happening.Who has had a worse offseason, the Red Sox or Astros? Sox lose Damon and Renteria, but get Beckett, The Astros have done nothing except non tender the Rocket and possibly sign Wilson. I do believe Clemens will be pitching for the Astros again in late May or early June.
well, i heard on weei this morning that manny would only accept trade to baltimore if baltimore picks up the two year options on him. this would add another $40 - $50 million to mannys contract. no way the o's go for that.if this is true the sox need to tell manny this was the last time they try to move him. too much time and energy has been spent on trying to make this fruitcake happy. in fact, i think the front office should have a press conference and let the public know that they worked very hard and had a deal in place that manny rejected. then, in 6 months when he cries for a trade the sox can just publicly laugh in his face.Boston Herald says that the Manny/Tejada deal is still alive. Sox FO has Manny/Clement for Tejada/unnamed player on the table. Unnamed player is rumored to be either Matos or Markakis. Os said to want to get this resolved in the next several days
Related news-Burnitz said to be close to signing with Pittsburgh, not Baltimore. Hmmm.
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