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Beanie vs. THT (1 Viewer)

who would you draft

  • Beanie Wells

    Votes: 138 64.8%
  • Tim Hightower

    Votes: 75 35.2%

  • Total voters
    213

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i know there has been a lot of talk about these two and that they may be one of the reasons you can draft WR or qb early and wait on rb. They seem like similar stories to me. Two unproductive FF rb now thrust into starting gigs with impressive preseasons thus far. Still both have questions: tht has skeletor and his man love for Torain to contend with. Beanie has the rep of being a wus and injured a lot. They both have m'eh at qb. They both seem available around the same time (fantasy calculator has their adp as the early 8th although I think they have both been climbing to the 6 or 7th round).

This is not a draft my team I'm up next. I'm just torned because both guys have upside and I feel that I will only be able to nab one. Dunno which one yet. Kinda leaning towards tht because of the whole wash oline, zone blocking scheme fitting his style better.

 
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I think Beanie's ADP has been creeping up even more than THT's, but at a similar price, I'm going Beanie. I think very little of both players to be perfectly honest, but these guys have big oppurtunity for the short term. They are both likely to be feature backs and for redrafts that has plenty of value. I prefer Wells of the two simply because I think we KNOW the Redskins offense is going to be bad. We may THINK the Cards offense and QB will be "m'eh" as well, but I think Beanie has some upside tied to Kolb and the offense being pretty good this year.

Despite my personal opinions on the players, I don't see either guy losing the starting gig in the near future so sign me up at the 5th/6th/7th rd price tag. Beanie 1st though for me.

 
I will go with Beanie too. I just kind of get the hunch that he got the proverbial "shot across the bow" when they drafted Williams and he dodged a bullet. So now he is going to try about as hard as he had.

Plus, what I really like is I can see him with a chance to get some confidence early becasue the QB situation is better and the teams they play to open up the season look like the Cardinals could actually do some running on them.

 
I'm in love with THT this year. Shanny knows how to get the run game working and Arizona hasn't had good run game in Whiz's tenure.

IMO, Hightower will finish in the top 12 but Beanie will struggle to crack the top 20.

 
I'm in love with THT this year. Shanny knows how to get the run game working and Arizona hasn't had good run game in Whiz's tenure.

IMO, Hightower will finish in the top 12 but Beanie will struggle to crack the top 20.
Whilte the bolded is certainly true, the fact that THT will remain the starter while said run game operates is hardly a given. One of the reasons THT was let go in Arizona (aside from them landing Williams) was that he was having a hard time getting past some fumbling issues. As such, I could easily see Shanny moving on to someone he drafted (see countless examples in Denver) over Hightower.On the flipside, in Arizona they brought in Chester Taylor - a clear sign that they (at least for this year) are willing to let Wells be the workhorse all season. With the Cardinals' improved QB play and no one to steal carries, I see your predictions reversed (Wells possibly top 12-15, with THT struggling to crack top 20 - especially if he loses the starting gig or starts to lose touches due to fumbling).

Part of the issue, IMHO, is that THT simply has more talented RBs waiting in the proverbial wings than Wells does. As such, he will lose more touches and possibly even his role has primary back.

 
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This is not a draft my team I'm up next. I'm just torned because both guys have upside and I feel that I will only be able to nab one. Dunno which one yet. Kinda leaning towards tht because of the whole wash oline, zone blocking scheme fitting his style better.
I would think that if you're doing an upside down draft you will be targeting both of them. Without getting into value, then, Beanie's ADP is higher so you'll have to target him first, and then go after Hightower the next round.
 
This is an interesting discussion for me, because my season will depend on one of them living up to the hype. I have both of these guys, as well as other unspectacular RB starters. I have really nice depth, but what I don't have is a RB1. I'm hoping either Hightower or Wells becomes that guy.

Right now my gut says the guy who is most likely to be that RB1 is Hightower.

My gut also tells me that the guy who is most likely to lose his job and become useless is Hightower.

So the Wells vs THT debate depends on what you need them for. If you need a guy to step up and help carry your team, Hightower is riskier but could provide that reward. If you want solid depth, a good bye-week filler or a decent RB2...it's Wells. He's likely to keep his job with a decent--though unspectacular-- effort.

Hopefully you guys are all in the latter category, because being in the former makes for a less optimistic start to the season. :banned:

 
Man, you gotta love the hype of certain players and the guppies that fall for it.

I'll keep it simple....

Hightower is in a skeletor system, Helu, and Torain will get a shot at carrying the rock when you need Hightower the most....don't believe me, just watch.

Wells, has a new QB and who will steal carries from him? LSH has not done anything, if he did, they wouldnt of drafted another runner.

Don't over think it, opportunity wins championships, and who will have more opportunities?

 
drafted both of them.

Hightower starts out with a bang, opening game against NY Giants and their depleted defense ( esp now since MLB Goff is out for the year with an ACL injury)

then he faces

Az

Dallas

St Louis

bye

Philly

Car

Buf

SF

I think Wells greatly benefits from Kolb's presence..Az offense will be a pleasant surprise this year, IMO..

 
i know there has been a lot of talk about these two and that they may be one of the reasons you can draft WR or qb early and wait on rb. They seem like similar stories to me. Two unproductive FF rb now thrust into starting gigs with impressive preseasons thus far. Still both have questions: tht has skeletor and his man love for Torain to contend with. Beanie has the rep of being a wus and injured a lot. They both have m'eh at qb. They both seem available around the same time (fantasy calculator has their adp as the early 8th although I think they have both been climbing to the 6 or 7th round).

This is not a draft my team I'm up next. I'm just torned because both guys have upside and I feel that I will only be able to nab one. Dunno which one yet. Kinda leaning towards tht because of the whole wash oline, zone blocking scheme fitting his style better.
There's a lot of good discussion here on Beanie if you haven't seen it.I lean towards Beanie based on situation. If he can stay on the field, he stays on the field (so to speak). There are a number of guys in Washington, which I believe sets the table for a season long "turnstile" situation. From a fantasy perspective, I don't really want the "weekly watch" associated with a situation like that but to each his own.

 
I like TH better than Beanie at their respective ADPs. I drafted HT after Beanie went almost 2 rounds earlier. I think Beanie will have the better year but not enough to justify to take him where he was selected. Beanie went 6.1 and I took HT at 7.11.

 
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'Cenobite said:
I like TH better than Beanie at their respective ADPs. I drafted HT after Beanie went almost 2 rounds earlier. I think Beanie will have the better year but not enough to justify to take him where he was selected. Beanie went 6.1 and I took HT at 7.11.
So....one round difference? How much better does Beanie have to be to justify that? Not too much in my book.FWIW, I own both in one dynasty league and Beanie alone in 2 others. I like them both this year, but like Beanie a WHOLE lot more. He is HUUUUNGRY (and finally healthy). I see a breakout ala DeAngelo once the Panthers drafted HIS replacement (not #1 like DeAngelo was, but top-10 I can definitely see...)
 
'Cenobite said:
I like TH better than Beanie at their respective ADPs. I drafted HT after Beanie went almost 2 rounds earlier. I think Beanie will have the better year but not enough to justify to take him where he was selected. Beanie went 6.1 and I took HT at 7.11.
So....one round difference? How much better does Beanie have to be to justify that? Not too much in my book.FWIW, I own both in one dynasty league and Beanie alone in 2 others. I like them both this year, but like Beanie a WHOLE lot more. He is HUUUUNGRY (and finally healthy). I see a breakout ala DeAngelo once the Panthers drafted HIS replacement (not #1 like DeAngelo was, but top-10 I can definitely see...)
No, it's almost 2 rounds - more than 20 picks later. Also, my draft was long ago before HT's impressive pre-season and before he was named the starter. Not everyone has drafts at the end of August. Their ADPs are close now but it wasn't then.
 
Agree with those that mentioned opportunity. As enticing as the Redskins' Rb job is, it also comes with Shanahanigans...you just never know when will be the week that Torai or Helu or anyone else will get a start. i can kind of just see a Hightower fumble in the first quarter = benched for rest of game scenario.

Beanie, on the other hand has Kolb and Fitz and a HC that likes to run, is used to teams with hammering RBs, and Beanie has nobody behind him.

I see Beanie as this year's Bradshaw and Hightower as this year's Hightower (the guy that sporadically puts up very serviceable games but you can't depend on him to string 4-5 together).

 
Consider that in HiStakes Drafts(FFPC), ADPs as of yesterday are:

Hightower 4.01

Wells 4.11

This is very telling..

 
I see more guys in Washington that have a chance to steal carries or unseat THT than Beanie has to worry about in Arizona.

 
THT may just actually be worse than 'Shady' McCoy. Seriously, leave the bad unfunny schtick to Chris Berman.

That being said....I'll take Beanie. Shanny plays way too many games with RB's and I don't have time to guess which one will be in his dog house.

Also, behind Beanie is Chester Taylor and L.Stephens-Howlings ....Hightower has Helu, who I feel is a better talent. Not too mention Shannys love affair with Torain.

 
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THT is going to have to catch 50 balls for him to be worth his ADP because I don't see more than 900-1000 rushing yards. That makes him a solid #3 RB or a flex player. If he's your #2, you may be in trouble

 
THT may just actually be worse than 'Shady' McCoy. Seriously, leave the bad unfunny schtick to Chris Berman.That being said....I'll take Beanie. Shanny plays way too many games with RB's and I don't have time to guess which one will be in his dog house. Also, behind Beanie is Chester Taylor and L.Stephens-Howlings ....Hightower has Helu, who I feel is a better talent. Not too mention Shannys love affair with Torain.
Beanie might be worse than THT. His name is Chris.
 
Anyone thinking Beanie Wells is better then THT is smoking something

The answer is THT no question

THT in the AZ offense last season - Long run of 80 yards, averaged 4.8ypc, 153 attempts for 736 yards & 21 catches for 136. Combined 872 yards and 5 TD's

BW in that same AZ offense - Long run of 24 yards, averaged 3.4ypc, 116 attempts for 397 yards & 5 catches for 74. Combined 471 yards and 2 TD's

BW got to start 2 games while THT was there, THT started 13 games

THT in 3 seasons has never missed a single game and helped take AZ to the superbowl

THT is faster then BW

While it's true that BW is better then THT in some areas such as he doesn't fumble as much, it is also true that BW's was drafted in the first round where as THT was a 5th round draft pick and usually that means a lot when it comes to who stays or goes...

The idea that Coach Shanahan uses RBBC is completely untrue. He has seen his fair share of RB injuries but the man who he says is the starter on the season has always held onto that job unless he was injured and couldn't play in the last 15 seasons.

It's also untrue that we will have a horrible offense this season. Did no one bother to watch Rex Grossman last year? In three starts he passed for over 800yards and threw 7 TD's against Dallas, Jacksonville, and the NY Giants. In no stretch last season did any QB in AZ do that.

Do yourself a favor and stop buying the hype that THT isn't as good as BW's, or that we have a bad offense with Grossman running the show. Neither are true

 
Anyone thinking Beanie Wells is better then THT is smoking somethingThe answer is THT no questionTHT in the AZ offense last season - Long run of 80 yards, averaged 4.8ypc, 153 attempts for 736 yards & 21 catches for 136. Combined 872 yards and 5 TD'sBW in that same AZ offense - Long run of 24 yards, averaged 3.4ypc, 116 attempts for 397 yards & 5 catches for 74. Combined 471 yards and 2 TD'sBW got to start 2 games while THT was there, THT started 13 gamesTHT in 3 seasons has never missed a single game and helped take AZ to the superbowlTHT is faster then BWWhile it's true that BW is better then THT in some areas such as he doesn't fumble as much, it is also true that BW's was drafted in the first round where as THT was a 5th round draft pick and usually that means a lot when it comes to who stays or goes...The idea that Coach Shanahan uses RBBC is completely untrue. He has seen his fair share of RB injuries but the man who he says is the starter on the season has always held onto that job unless he was injured and couldn't play in the last 15 seasons. It's also untrue that we will have a horrible offense this season. Did no one bother to watch Rex Grossman last year? In three starts he passed for over 800yards and threw 7 TD's against Dallas, Jacksonville, and the NY Giants. In no stretch last season did any QB in AZ do that. Do yourself a favor and stop buying the hype that THT isn't as good as BW's, or that we have a bad offense with Grossman running the show. Neither are true
I can slice this all apart, but I'll just start with...If its not a question, why did you answer it?Second, the situation involving both has a change that is so drastic, that they are not on the same team anymore...did you miss that memo?Beanie is a lead back with no one to steal his thunder on a team with a much better QB and a stud WR to take 8 out of the box. Hightower is on a team coached by Shanny with a horrible QB and no threat on the outside, they will stack the box all day. But that is football 101, If you cant see the difference, well friend... I'm sorry for you.To say its no question, then talk up the guy who was given more than one chance and has done nothing is just funny. Beanie is young and just now really getting his shot because of health. Injuries happen, people are all fragile when you have 300 pound dudes crushing you.C'mon man, step up your pretend knowledge just a bit, lol.ETA: Also to have a name of "RedskinsFan" and think your word should be taken when you obviously have bias is even funnier.
 
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THT may just actually be worse than 'Shady' McCoy. Seriously, leave the bad unfunny schtick to Chris Berman.That being said....I'll take Beanie. Shanny plays way too many games with RB's and I don't have time to guess which one will be in his dog house. Also, behind Beanie is Chester Taylor and L.Stephens-Howlings ....Hightower has Helu, who I feel is a better talent. Not too mention Shannys love affair with Torain.
Beanie might be worse than THT. His name is Chris.
Exactly what I was thinking. What a hypocritical post... holy smokes! He called Shannahan "Shanny" twice too.
 
The poll smokers are out in effect.

Take a new poll,

Who has heard the nickname before ...

A)Beanie - since he was in college (at the very least), not a great nickname, but wasnt given to him by some message board messiah.

B)Shanny - Yeah, when talking about coaches no one would know who that would mean.

C)THT?

Good QB, stud WR and reliable (until hurt) Tight End (Todd Heap...you know, THP!)

as opposed to

Beck/Grossman, declining Moss/Gaffney and Cooley.

All horrible nicknames aside, to think Tim Hightower outperforms Chris Wells to me is foolish.

 
THT is going to have to catch 50 balls for him to be worth his ADP because I don't see more than 900-1000 rushing yards. That makes him a solid #3 RB or a flex player. If he's your #2, you may be in trouble
You may need some glasses then.1999 - Olandis Gary - 1,159 rushing yards

2000 - Mike Anderson - 1,487 rushing yards

2004 - Reuben Droughns - 1,240 rushing yards

2005 - Mike Anderson - 1,014 rushing yards

Note I left out Terrell Davis and Clinton Portis....but there are another 5-6 seasons of over 1000 yard rushers between them as well.

Mike Shanahan knows how to run the football. Last year in 10 games, Ryan Torain ran for 742 yards (that includes a game where he was hurt by halftime). Pro-rated over 16 games, that is 1,187 yards. If the lead back on a Shanahan coached team stays healthy, they will rush for 1,000+ yards.

 
Anyone thinking Beanie Wells is better then THT is smoking somethingThe answer is THT no questionTHT in the AZ offense last season - Long run of 80 yards, averaged 4.8ypc, 153 attempts for 736 yards & 21 catches for 136. Combined 872 yards and 5 TD'sBW in that same AZ offense - Long run of 24 yards, averaged 3.4ypc, 116 attempts for 397 yards & 5 catches for 74. Combined 471 yards and 2 TD'sBW got to start 2 games while THT was there, THT started 13 gamesTHT in 3 seasons has never missed a single game and helped take AZ to the superbowlTHT is faster then BWWhile it's true that BW is better then THT in some areas such as he doesn't fumble as much, it is also true that BW's was drafted in the first round where as THT was a 5th round draft pick and usually that means a lot when it comes to who stays or goes...The idea that Coach Shanahan uses RBBC is completely untrue. He has seen his fair share of RB injuries but the man who he says is the starter on the season has always held onto that job unless he was injured and couldn't play in the last 15 seasons. It's also untrue that we will have a horrible offense this season. Did no one bother to watch Rex Grossman last year? In three starts he passed for over 800yards and threw 7 TD's against Dallas, Jacksonville, and the NY Giants. In no stretch last season did any QB in AZ do that. Do yourself a favor and stop buying the hype that THT isn't as good as BW's, or that we have a bad offense with Grossman running the show. Neither are true
I can slice this all apart, but I'll just start with...If its not a question, why did you answer it?
Because of ignorant posters like yourself making up crap about these two players I'm here to stop that messSo lets get down to it tough guy, start slicing....
Second, the situation involving both has a change that is so drastic, that they are not on the same team anymore...did you miss that memo?
Listen clownThey were on the same team last yearDo you understand that?Did you miss that memo?Are you saying that with them on the same exact team with the same players and offensive line that they produced the same?Of course they didn't. BW's got all of 2 starts last season, THT made him irrelevantTHT crushed BW's last year on BW's own team!!If BW's was half the rusher that THT is how does that happen?
Beanie is a lead back with no one to steal his thunder on a team with a much better QB and a stud WR to take 8 out of the box. Hightower is on a team coached by Shanny with a horrible QB and no threat on the outside, they will stack the box all day. But that is football 101, If you cant see the difference, well friend... I'm sorry for you.
First off do you stupidely think that a 5th round RB is going to "steal" a 1st round RB's carries on the same team if they aren't the better optionSecond off lets review...Kevin Kolb vs. Rex GrossmanKK is in the first year of that AZ offense, RG is in the 3rd year of that offense. Outside of LF who are the recieving threats in AZ? I'll let you name them for all of us pal but we all know that Breaston is goneThe Redskins receiving threats are Santana Moss (1000+ yard receiver), Chris Cooley (2nd most receiving yards by a TE in the league), Anthony Armstrong (800+ receiving yards), Jabar Gaffney (800+ receiving yards)And in three starts last season RG posted over 850 passing yards, and went over 300 yards in two of those gamesKK started 5 games last season and passed for only 1200 yards, going over 300 yards in only one of those gamesFact is that try as you want the Redskins offense is in much better shape then you seem to comprehend and RG produced more per game then KK did on the better Eagles team. Now he is on a worse team...good luck thereIt is you that needs a Football 101 class not me but I'm an educator so this is your first lesson son
To say its no question, then talk up the guy who was given more than one chance and has done nothing is just funny. Beanie is young and just now really getting his shot because of health. Injuries happen, people are all fragile when you have 300 pound dudes crushing you.C'mon man, step up your pretend knowledge just a bit, lol.ETA: Also to have a name of "RedskinsFan" and think your word should be taken when you obviously have bias is even funnier.
This is BW's third season sonDid a guy like AP need three seasons and have his competition shipped out of town So he could start?Did Chris Johnson need everyone to look past his "injuries" so he could "get a shot" too?Injuries, what a joke. Beanie played in 14 of 16 games last year and wasn't good enough to take the damn job from THTMaybe this is why they always started THT over Beanie?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt42ezeRQV4Do you even understand zone blocking and how some rushers fit a power scheme and others fit a ZB system better?I really don't think you do. Did you watch any preseason action? I really don't think you didI'm a Redskins Fan, and proud of itWhen this seasons all said and done the case will be madeAnd a believer will be made out of youGood luck in your fantasy league this yearWith an ignorant attitude like this your going to need all the help you can get
 
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THT makes no ####### sense, people. NONE.
Cuz he's T-H-T!... he's Dy-no-mite!T-H-T!... And he'll win the fight T-H-T!... He'll carry the loadT-H-T!... watch em exploooooooooooooooode!T-H-T- Oi! Oi! Oi! T-H-T- Oi! Oi! Oi! T-H-T- Oi! Oi! Oi! T-H-T- Oi! Oi! Oi! Get it?! :excited:
 
THT makes no ####### sense, people. NONE.
Timmy HighTowerIt's dynomite.
Esplain, please.
Well the name "Hightower" is a combination of two words not normally compounded. So when one says the name, it is often thought of as two words in their mind. In the fantasy forum world, it is very common to abbreviate names for ease of typing, so therefore, instead of typing TH, the pseudo-initials of THT have been attributed to Tim Hightower.When I said "It's dynomite", I was making a dual reference to both a popular song by AC/DC named T.N.T.(where the actual lyric is "Cause I'm T.N.T., I'm dynamite"), and a popular catch phrase from the character played by JJ Walker on a popular citcom named "Good Times" where he would often say the phrase "Dyn-O-Mite!" Both of these references popped into my head after thinking through the letters T-H-T. Sorry for the confusion, my hispanic friend.

 
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THT makes no ####### sense, people. NONE.
Timmy HighTowerIt's dynomite.
Esplain, please.
Well the name "Hightower" is a combination of two words not normally compounded. So when one says the name, it is often thought of as two words in their mind. In the fantasy forum world, it is very common to abbreviate names for ease of typing, so therefore, instead of typing TH, the pseudo-initials of THT have been attributed to Tim Hightower.When I said "It's dynomite", I was making a dual reference to both a popular song by AC/DC named T.N.T.(where the actual lyric is "Cause I'm T.N.T., I'm dynamite"), and a popular catch phrase from the character played by JJ Walker on a popular citcom named "Good Times" where he would often say the phrase "Dyn-O-Mite!" Both of these references popped into my head after thinking through the letters T-H-T.
Thanks. Please stop using THT in the future.
 
THT makes no ####### sense, people. NONE.
Timmy HighTowerIt's dynomite.
Esplain, please.
Well the name "Hightower" is a combination of two words not normally compounded. So when one says the name, it is often thought of as two words in their mind. In the fantasy forum world, it is very common to abbreviate names for ease of typing, so therefore, instead of typing TH, the pseudo-initials of THT have been attributed to Tim Hightower.When I said "It's dynomite", I was making a dual reference to both a popular song by AC/DC named T.N.T.(where the actual lyric is "Cause I'm T.N.T., I'm dynamite"), and a popular catch phrase from the character played by JJ Walker on a popular citcom named "Good Times" where he would often say the phrase "Dyn-O-Mite!" Both of these references popped into my head after thinking through the letters T-H-T.
Thanks. Please stop using THT in the future.
No, I like it, I'll keep using it.
 
THT is going to have to catch 50 balls for him to be worth his ADP because I don't see more than 900-1000 rushing yards. That makes him a solid #3 RB or a flex player. If he's your #2, you may be in trouble
You may need some glasses then.1999 - Olandis Gary - 1,159 rushing yards

2000 - Mike Anderson - 1,487 rushing yards

2004 - Reuben Droughns - 1,240 rushing yards

2005 - Mike Anderson - 1,014 rushing yards

Note I left out Terrell Davis and Clinton Portis....but there are another 5-6 seasons of over 1000 yard rushers between them as well.

Mike Shanahan knows how to run the football. Last year in 10 games, Ryan Torain ran for 742 yards (that includes a game where he was hurt by halftime). Pro-rated over 16 games, that is 1,187 yards. If the lead back on a Shanahan coached team stays healthy, they will rush for 1,000+ yards.
I said 900-1000 yards. Aren't you agreeing with me ?

 
THT is going to have to catch 50 balls for him to be worth his ADP because I don't see more than 900-1000 rushing yards. That makes him a solid #3 RB or a flex player. If he's your #2, you may be in trouble
You may need some glasses then.1999 - Olandis Gary - 1,159 rushing yards

2000 - Mike Anderson - 1,487 rushing yards

2004 - Reuben Droughns - 1,240 rushing yards

2005 - Mike Anderson - 1,014 rushing yards

Note I left out Terrell Davis and Clinton Portis....but there are another 5-6 seasons of over 1000 yard rushers between them as well.

Mike Shanahan knows how to run the football. Last year in 10 games, Ryan Torain ran for 742 yards (that includes a game where he was hurt by halftime). Pro-rated over 16 games, that is 1,187 yards. If the lead back on a Shanahan coached team stays healthy, they will rush for 1,000+ yards.
I said 900-1000 yards. Aren't you agreeing with me ?
Are you serious?
 
THT makes no ####### sense, people. NONE.
Timmy HighTowerIt's dynomite.
Esplain, please.
Well the name "Hightower" is a combination of two words not normally compounded. So when one says the name, it is often thought of as two words in their mind. In the fantasy forum world, it is very common to abbreviate names for ease of typing, so therefore, instead of typing TH, the pseudo-initials of THT have been attributed to Tim Hightower.When I said "It's dynomite", I was making a dual reference to both a popular song by AC/DC named T.N.T.(where the actual lyric is "Cause I'm T.N.T., I'm dynamite"), and a popular catch phrase from the character played by JJ Walker on a popular citcom named "Good Times" where he would often say the phrase "Dyn-O-Mite!" Both of these references popped into my head after thinking through the letters T-H-T.
Thanks. Please stop using THT in the future.
No, I like it, I'll keep using it.
It doesn't make any sense.
 

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