Beanie Wells Pro Day Discussion (1 Viewer)

[fruity pebbles]

Yep, you said that. Take a look at this and tell me he isn't a tough runner. He doesn't look thin to me in these videos.

McCoy has nice size, but it's his initial burst that makes him a big play RB.

"He displays good lateral mobility and toughness inside, and has the speed to explode into the second level. Still, he needs to become a bit more patient at the line of scrimmage. " - Michael Lombardi of National Football Post

Pittsburgh RB LeSean McCoy Sophmore Season Highlights

Don't know if it's because of the #25 he's wearing, but he looks a lot like Reggie Bush to me (body and play). What's Bush, 6'0" 205?

Big difference is that McCoy isn't afraid to mix it up in the middle like Bush is. Plus, Bush's legs look a lot skinnier. It's looking like last year all over again with regards to this subject. Plus McCoy isn't quite as small as CJ, and has an inch and about 20 lbs on Slaton when he's at his normal weight, and has more skills than Slaton IMO. Yet some still want to go down this road with McCoy. You guys can play this BMI dance all you want, but I'm not biting when comes to someone who's body type is not only better than CJ and Slaton, but shouldn't even be mentioned. Better yet, with today's RBs it's even less important. So go ahead and let the BMI thingy keep you in your league basement.

Has nothing to do with BMI. As much as size was discussed last year, everyone has gone 180 degrees and is now ready to dismiss it completely because of Chris Johnson's success. He's small boned. I don't think he's going to put weight on easily. I do think he weighs less than 200 pounds at nearly 5'11. I don't see any power at all when i watch McCoy run. He's good at avoiding tackles in small spaces but as far as breaking a tackle, it seldom happens. He gets hit he goes down. People can point to Reggie Bush and Chris Johnson all they want but both are considerably faster than McCoy. He's every bit as small as Reggie and CJ. I think Slaton looks thicker. He's the same weight and an inch or two shorter. I think McCoy is going to be a good NFL RB but not a good fantasy RB. Unlike Wells or Moreno, he's going to need the perfect situation to succeed imo.

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

Has nothing to do with BMI. As much as size was discussed last year, everyone has gone 180 degrees and is now ready to dismiss it completely because of Chris Johnson's success. He's small boned. I don't think he's going to put weight on easily. I do think he weighs less than 200 pounds at nearly 5'11. I don't see any power at all when i watch McCoy run. He's good at avoiding tackles in small spaces but as far as breaking a tackle, it seldom happens. He gets hit he goes down. People can point to Reggie Bush and Chris Johnson all they want but both are considerably faster than McCoy. He's every bit as small as Reggie and CJ. I think Slaton looks thicker. He's the same weight and an inch or two shorter. I think McCoy is going to be a good NFL RB but not a good fantasy RB. Unlike Wells or Moreno, he's going to need the perfect situation to succeed imo.

If you didn't see McCoy breaking tackles in his soph season highlights, then you didn't watch them. Also, Slaton isn't the same weight as McCoy. He's 20lbs lighter. You keep wanting to slide that 198 lb weight into the discussion. It's already been documented the reason was sickness, but you dismiss it saying no way he could lose 12 lbs. Well let me tell you something, I've lost 10lbs after the flu before, I don't see any reason why McCoy can't. I'll say it again, McCoy's playing weight at Pitt was 210 lbs. Slaton's weight now is 190. You guys are putting too much stock into McCoy's size, which is better than a lot of backs who have succeeded.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Has nothing to do with BMI. As much as size was discussed last year, everyone has gone 180 degrees and is now ready to dismiss it completely because of Chris Johnson's success. He's small boned. I don't think he's going to put weight on easily. I do think he weighs less than 200 pounds at nearly 5'11. I don't see any power at all when i watch McCoy run. He's good at avoiding tackles in small spaces but as far as breaking a tackle, it seldom happens. He gets hit he goes down. People can point to Reggie Bush and Chris Johnson all they want but both are considerably faster than McCoy. He's every bit as small as Reggie and CJ. I think Slaton looks thicker. He's the same weight and an inch or two shorter. I think McCoy is going to be a good NFL RB but not a good fantasy RB. Unlike Wells or Moreno, he's going to need the perfect situation to succeed imo.

If you didn't see McCoy breaking tackles in his soph season highlights, then you didn't watch them. Also, Slaton isn't the same weight as McCoy. He's 20lbs lighter. You keep wanting to slide that 198 lb weight into the discussion. It's already been documented the reason was sickness, but you dismiss it saying no way he could lose 12 lbs. Well let me tell you something, I've lost 10lbs after the flu before, I don't see any reason why McCoy can't. I'll say it again, McCoy's playing weight at Pitt was 210 lbs. Slaton's weight now is 190. You guys are putting too much stock into McCoy's size, which is better than a lot of backs who have succeeded.

I don't think he's 210 or has ever been 210. Just like Crabtree was 6'3" all through college. Slaton was 197 at the combine, McCoy was 198. Only true measurements we have cause weight like height is always fabricated. Show me on that film where he breaks a tackle.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Has nothing to do with BMI. As much as size was discussed last year, everyone has gone 180 degrees and is now ready to dismiss it completely because of Chris Johnson's success. He's small boned. I don't think he's going to put weight on easily. I do think he weighs less than 200 pounds at nearly 5'11. I don't see any power at all when i watch McCoy run. He's good at avoiding tackles in small spaces but as far as breaking a tackle, it seldom happens. He gets hit he goes down. People can point to Reggie Bush and Chris Johnson all they want but both are considerably faster than McCoy. He's every bit as small as Reggie and CJ. I think Slaton looks thicker. He's the same weight and an inch or two shorter. I think McCoy is going to be a good NFL RB but not a good fantasy RB. Unlike Wells or Moreno, he's going to need the perfect situation to succeed imo.

If you didn't see McCoy breaking tackles in his soph season highlights, then you didn't watch them. Also, Slaton isn't the same weight as McCoy. He's 20lbs lighter. You keep wanting to slide that 198 lb weight into the discussion. It's already been documented the reason was sickness, but you dismiss it saying no way he could lose 12 lbs. Well let me tell you something, I've lost 10lbs after the flu before, I don't see any reason why McCoy can't. I'll say it again, McCoy's playing weight at Pitt was 210 lbs. Slaton's weight now is 190. You guys are putting too much stock into McCoy's size, which is better than a lot of backs who have succeeded.

I don't think he's 210 or has ever been 210. Just like Crabtree was 6'3" all through college. Slaton was 197 at the combine, McCoy was 198. Only true measurements we have cause weight like height is always fabricated. Show me on that film where he breaks a tackle.

I'd love to get into this discussion in a McCoy thread...

 

[Burning Sensation]

Has nothing to do with BMI. As much as size was discussed last year, everyone has gone 180 degrees and is now ready to dismiss it completely because of Chris Johnson's success. He's small boned. I don't think he's going to put weight on easily. I do think he weighs less than 200 pounds at nearly 5'11. I don't see any power at all when i watch McCoy run. He's good at avoiding tackles in small spaces but as far as breaking a tackle, it seldom happens. He gets hit he goes down. People can point to Reggie Bush and Chris Johnson all they want but both are considerably faster than McCoy. He's every bit as small as Reggie and CJ. I think Slaton looks thicker. He's the same weight and an inch or two shorter. I think McCoy is going to be a good NFL RB but not a good fantasy RB. Unlike Wells or Moreno, he's going to need the perfect situation to succeed imo.

If you didn't see McCoy breaking tackles in his soph season highlights, then you didn't watch them. Also, Slaton isn't the same weight as McCoy. He's 20lbs lighter. You keep wanting to slide that 198 lb weight into the discussion. It's already been documented the reason was sickness, but you dismiss it saying no way he could lose 12 lbs. Well let me tell you something, I've lost 10lbs after the flu before, I don't see any reason why McCoy can't. I'll say it again, McCoy's playing weight at Pitt was 210 lbs. Slaton's weight now is 190. You guys are putting too much stock into McCoy's size, which is better than a lot of backs who have succeeded.

No it isnt.

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

Has nothing to do with BMI. As much as size was discussed last year, everyone has gone 180 degrees and is now ready to dismiss it completely because of Chris Johnson's success. He's small boned. I don't think he's going to put weight on easily. I do think he weighs less than 200 pounds at nearly 5'11. I don't see any power at all when i watch McCoy run. He's good at avoiding tackles in small spaces but as far as breaking a tackle, it seldom happens. He gets hit he goes down. People can point to Reggie Bush and Chris Johnson all they want but both are considerably faster than McCoy. He's every bit as small as Reggie and CJ. I think Slaton looks thicker. He's the same weight and an inch or two shorter. I think McCoy is going to be a good NFL RB but not a good fantasy RB. Unlike Wells or Moreno, he's going to need the perfect situation to succeed imo.

If you didn't see McCoy breaking tackles in his soph season highlights, then you didn't watch them. Also, Slaton isn't the same weight as McCoy. He's 20lbs lighter. You keep wanting to slide that 198 lb weight into the discussion. It's already been documented the reason was sickness, but you dismiss it saying no way he could lose 12 lbs. Well let me tell you something, I've lost 10lbs after the flu before, I don't see any reason why McCoy can't. I'll say it again, McCoy's playing weight at Pitt was 210 lbs. Slaton's weight now is 190. You guys are putting too much stock into McCoy's size, which is better than a lot of backs who have succeeded.

No it isnt.

He might be up to 195 by now.

 

[Burning Sensation]

He might be up to 195 by now.

Are you just guessing?http://www.nfl.com/players/steveslaton/profile?id=SLA557176

 

[Moonlight_Graham]

He might be up to 195 by now.

Are you just guessing?http://www.nfl.com/players/steveslaton/profile?id=SLA557176

This one says 190, shall we meet in the middle, lol

 

[BuckeyeArt]

I was talking about all 3 years at OSU, and yes I watch every snap of every Buckeye game. If you can't recall Beanie's issues and his disappering acts in games than more power to ya. I'm looking at the whole picture of 3 years and I would say his attitude and durabiliity is a huge question!!! I would not be super proud of your samples either.

You're right. I can't recall them. He clearly didn't have them last year. I'll look at 2007. He wasn't the starter in 2006 (though he should have been) so he disappeared that year because of Tressel. I still don't know why you question his attitude. Durability, I understand. I'm not sure what was wrong with 'my samples'. They were just the game stats.

5 games over 20 carries and 4 games just barely over 20 in a 13 game season??? I'm not impressed and he missed pretty much 3 games. I believe he hurt his foot againt Youngstown State. I could be wrong on that, but I recall it was YSU.

Yes, you are wrong about that. It was the Ohio game. I'm not sure what you expect as far as his carries. Do you expect him to carry 30 times in every game, even if he doesn't need to? Shouldn't the other RBs get any game time? I think you missed the point on the stats. It wasn't to show you how many carries he had but to show you that there were not long periods of times during the game that he vanished. If there were, others would have had carries.

What exatctly was the foot injury??? I rememeber it being speculated that he had a concussion not confirmed. I also know what it's like to have one and you don't feel that good after the injury and you don't give interviews and sound bites about your future career in the NFL. I rememeber clearly no one saying anything about the foot except speculation.

I don't know what the foot injury was. But, I do think he would not have handicapped himself with that boot the rest of the season if he really didn't have an injury. It makes no sense. The concussion was confirmed. There are varying degrees. But they are not going to let you back into the game in college, even with a mild one. They probably wouldn't anymore in the pros.So yes, he did miss 3 full games due to injuries last year. So I can see why you would question his durability. I do as well. But attitude? I still don't see that.

 

[Burning Sensation]

He might be up to 195 by now.

Are you just guessing?http://www.nfl.com/players/steveslaton/profile?id=SLA557176

This one says 190, shall we meet in the middle, lol

So its not you who is guessing, it is Rotoworld. Ive noticed them refering to Slaton as 5'10" 190 lbs in various articles about him, so its not just a misprint on the player page. Not only is he not 190 lbs, he is only 5'9". He is listed at that height and at 203 lbs. on every other site. He weighed 197 at the combine, so i have no idea where they came up with that number.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:45 am EDT

Ohio State's Wells will be a busy man before draftAccording to Profootballtalk.com, Ohio State running back Chris "Beanie'' Wells will be a busy man in the weeks leading up to the NFL Draft.

According to the report, Wells is believed to be making visits to multiple NFL teams including the Denver Broncos, Cincinnati Bengals, Arizona Cardinals, San Diego Chargers and the Seattle Seahawks.

Reports had Wells was clocked between 4.38 and 4.44 seconds in the 40-yard dash at his campus Pro Day.

Source: Profootballtalk.com

 

[Cookiemonster]

Oversized D.McFadden. If that's good or bad is up to you.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

He is listed at that height and at 203 lbs. on every other site. He weighed 197 at the combine, so i have no idea where they came up with that number.

As far as I can tell (and it's something I've really tried to figure out)... players are weighed again when they report to camp by most teams and those numbers get reported to the NFL - and get picked up by everyone else (Yahoo!, CBS, etc). But I'm not sure about that. The weights do seem to change once when the player reports though. What happens in subsequent years seems like it may vary by team.

 

[EBF]

Oversized D.McFadden. If that's good or bad is up to you.

Their playing styles aren't very similar, but I agree in the sense that Wells will be ranked far above where I'm willing to take him. I just can't get behind the idea of burning an early pick on him. I think he's the type of player who will tease his owners with flashes of brilliance, but never become the consistent year-to-year performer that people hope for.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Oversized D.McFadden. If that's good or bad is up to you.

Their playing styles aren't very similar, but I agree in the sense that Wells will be ranked far above where I'm willing to take him. I just can't get behind the idea of burning an early pick on him. I think he's the type of player who will tease his owners with flashes of brilliance, but never become the consistent year-to-year performer that people hope for.

I see them both as very good straight-line runners with tremendous upper-body strength and killer stiff arms. Neither has good leg drive and grip breaking power, but show good power in the head on collisions. Lateral movement is less than ideal for top-tier RBs. Go ahead and say Wells has good moves for his size, but it's not good enough to compensate for his lack of balance after contact (to his legs) and is nowhere among the elite RBs juke moves. Tackle breaking ability for both of these is nowhere near S.Greene or Ronnie Brown, let alone A.Peterson. I see these guys as low-end FFB RB 2s. Some seasons they will finish as 1s, but most of their careers should be outside of the top 10 and will have some seasons outside of the top 25 thanks to durability issues.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

 

[EBF]

Oversized D.McFadden. If that's good or bad is up to you.

Their playing styles aren't very similar, but I agree in the sense that Wells will be ranked far above where I'm willing to take him. I just can't get behind the idea of burning an early pick on him. I think he's the type of player who will tease his owners with flashes of brilliance, but never become the consistent year-to-year performer that people hope for.

I see them both as very good straight-line runners with tremendous upper-body strength and killer stiff arms. Neither has good leg drive and grip breaking power, but show good power in the head on collisions. Lateral movement is less than ideal for top-tier RBs. Go ahead and say Wells has good moves for his size, but it's not good enough to compensate for his lack of balance after contact (to his legs) and is nowhere among the elite RBs juke moves. Tackle breaking ability for both of these is nowhere near S.Greene or Ronnie Brown, let alone A.Peterson. I see these guys as low-end FFB RB 2s. Some seasons they will finish as 1s, but most of their careers should be outside of the top 10 and will have some seasons outside of the top 25 thanks to durability issues.

I don't disagree with this. Wells is an odd duck. On paper he looks to have great size at 6'1" and 235 pounds, but his proportions are atypical for a RB. He's very top-heavy. People often cite him as a "powerful" runner because he has a flashy stiff arm, but you're right in noting that he doesn't have great leg drive. When you watch him play, you notice that most of his broken tackles come from upper body strength. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKYeleDrCaQ...re=channel_page

That said, his combination of size/speed is pretty special and he's impressive when he gets in the open field with a full head of steam behind him. It will be interesting to see how he fares. I think he's a guy who could flash on the scene in a big way early in his career and then fizzle out due to injuries. It doesn't help that there are questions about his toughness and motivation.