Beanie Wells Pro Day Discussion (1 Viewer)

[ConstruxBoy]

Isn't there a thread addressing what's wrong with the Shark Pool?

 

[Chachi]

Isn't there a thread addressing what's wrong with the Shark Pool?

I apologize. Sorry.Any new number for Wells in the other drills.

 

[EBF]

Did he really run a 4.3-4.4?

If so, he's a first round pick even though he's a .

 

[FUBAR]

2nd tier prospect means he is not an elite prospect, like AD, Mcfadden, or even Stewart. His upside is somewhere between Lendale White and Jamal Lewis.

So his upside is somewhere between the lesser part of a RBBC and a 2,000 yard (season) rusher? Can't argue with that.

 

[FUBAR]

With this 40 time, anyone else thinking Wells is now the consensus 1.01 rookie pick?

 

[MAC_32]

With this 40 time, anyone else thinking Wells is now the consensus 1.01 rookie pick?

Not just no, but hell no.

 

[Chachi]

With this 40 time, anyone else thinking Wells is now the consensus 1.01 rookie pick?

My #1 RB, in a PPR I'd likely go with Crabtree and in a non-ppr it would be between Crabtree and Wells depending on the condition of my starting lineup.

 

[Burning Sensation]

2nd tier prospect means he is not an elite prospect, like AD, Mcfadden, or even Stewart. His upside is somewhere between Lendale White and Jamal Lewis.

So his upside is somewhere between the lesser part of a RBBC and a 2,000 yard (season) rusher? Can't argue with that.

Yes, i see his upside somewhere between a good short yardage back in a comittee to a solid RB who puts together a couple of good seasons between some decent ones, with a few injuries mixed in.

 

[zdaddy]

Isn't there a thread addressing what's wrong with the Shark Pool?

Good posting, don't know why the guy is so worked over another guys opinion.

 

[Burning Sensation]

With this 40 time, anyone else thinking Wells is now the consensus 1.01 rookie pick?

Its possible, it will most likely depend on who goes to what team. As of right now, i still give the edge to Moreno.

 

[turftoad]

With this 40 time, anyone else thinking Wells is now the consensus 1.01 rookie pick?

Maybe until Moreno runs a faster 40 at his pro day than he did at the combine.

 

[fruity pebbles]

With this 40 time, anyone else thinking Wells is now the consensus 1.01 rookie pick?

see 3 guys jumbled at the top- wells, crabby and moreno. where they go, league rules and personal preference will dictate the order. Everyone else is a tier below imo and always has been.

 

[Tigerbot Hesh]

With this 40 time, anyone else thinking Wells is now the consensus 1.01 rookie pick?

Maybe until Moreno runs a faster 40 at his pro day than he did at the combine.

Does anyone know the date of Moreno's pro day?

 

[FUBAR]

2nd tier prospect means he is not an elite prospect, like AD, Mcfadden, or even Stewart. His upside is somewhere between Lendale White and Jamal Lewis.

So his upside is somewhere between the lesser part of a RBBC and a 2,000 yard (season) rusher? Can't argue with that.

Yes, i see his upside somewhere between a good short yardage back in a comittee to a solid RB who puts together a couple of good seasons between some decent ones, with a few injuries mixed in.

IMO, he's pretty much Jamal Lewis II

 

[Chachi]

With this 40 time, anyone else thinking Wells is now the consensus 1.01 rookie pick?

Maybe until Moreno runs a faster 40 at his pro day than he did at the combine.

Does anyone know the date of Moreno's pro day?

March 19.Knowshon should get his time up a little but nothing near Wells. Knowshon had the 40 down at the combine, at least the mechanics of it where Wells looked at the combine like he didn't know how to do it correctly. I would be impressed with Knowshon if he runs a 4.45 or better but I think a 4.48-4.52 is realistic. This is not a knock on Moreno, Moreno is one of those guys who would appear on a motivational poster called Desire.

 

[MAC_32]

2nd tier prospect means he is not an elite prospect, like AD, Mcfadden, or even Stewart. His upside is somewhere between Lendale White and Jamal Lewis.

So his upside is somewhere between the lesser part of a RBBC and a 2,000 yard (season) rusher? Can't argue with that.

Yes, i see his upside somewhere between a good short yardage back in a comittee to a solid RB who puts together a couple of good seasons between some decent ones, with a few injuries mixed in.

IMO, he's pretty much Jamal Lewis II

Jamal Lewis is tough as nails, I don't get that comparison at all.

 

[jurb26]

Did he really run a 4.3-4.4? If so, he's a first round pick even though he's a .

He's been a 1st round pick all the while. People will overreact to this 40 time just as much as they overreacted to the poor showing at the combine. Wells has been a safe 1st round player since November.

 

[az_prof]

Looks like there are three good HBs this year rather than just two, and four elite rookie picks.

 

[Chachi]

Looks like there are three good HBs this year rather than just two, and four elite rookie picks.

McCoy or Brown? (I got McCoy as one)

 

[bcr8f]

OHIO STATE’S WELLS CLOCKS A 4.34

Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 13, 2009, 5:03 p.m. EDT

Ohio State star running back Chris “Beanie” Wells ran faster than expected at today’s Pro Day workout in Columbus, Ohio, turning in swift times between 4.34 and 4.46 seconds in front of 29 NFL teams, according to Tony Pauline of SI.com.

Afterward, Wells credited hard work late into the night for his progress on his start.

Per the article, Buckeyes standout cornerback Malcolm Jenkins’ time of 4.46 to 4.53 seconds wasn’t impressive. It was described as him running “poorly,” since Ohio State is considered to have an extremely fast surface.

Following the workout, Jenkins “seemed resigned that he’ll likely make the move to safety in the NFL,” Pauline reports.

Meanwhile, linebacker James Laurinitis ran times between 4.68 and 4.78 seconds as wide receiver Brian Robiskie ran a 4.47.

Source: ProFootballTalk

 

[Chachi]

4.34 at 237 pounds?

 

[zdaddy]

4.34 at 237 pounds?

Very impressive.It is becoming Hip to be down on Wells; which may bennifit some people drafting 2 or 3 in their rookie drafts. If Wells lands in San Diego, he could fall even farther in rookie drafts, making him a huge steal.

 

[Steed]

4.34 at 237 pounds?

OSU's rubber track is probably one of the fastest in the country. I doubt he's a true 4.34 guy.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Looks like there are three good HBs this year rather than just two, and four elite rookie picks.

McCoy or Brown? (I got McCoy as one)

I've got those two a full tier below. Brown just looks very average to me. Does everything pretty well but nothing particularly stands out about him to me. McCoy looks like a WR playing RB. I don't think his 198 pound weight was because of the flu. That looks like a legit weight to me. At his size you need to be really fast or elusive and i don't think he's either. Strikes me as a change of pace/3rd down guy. Maybe the smaller part of a RBBC but no goalline work.

 

[zdaddy]

4.34 at 237 pounds?

OSU's rubber track is probably one of the fastest in the country. I doubt he's a true 4.34 guy.

So say he is a 4.42 guy.

 

[Chachi]

4.34 at 237 pounds?

OSU's rubber track is probably one of the fastest in the country. I doubt he's a true 4.34 guy.

h8r. However weather he is a legit 4.38 or 4.40 guy pushing 237 pounds color me extremely impressed.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Looks like there are three good HBs this year rather than just two, and four elite rookie picks.

McCoy or Brown? (I got McCoy as one)

I've got those two a full tier below. Brown just looks very average to me. Does everything pretty well but nothing particularly stands out about him to me. McCoy looks like a WR playing RB. I don't think his 198 pound weight was because of the flu. That looks like a legit weight to me. At his size you need to be really fast or elusive and i don't think he's either. Strikes me as a change of pace/3rd down guy. Maybe the smaller part of a RBBC but no goalline work.

Just like Slaton and Chris Johnson? Wells is likely to be just as big of a part of RBBC as Mccoy.

 

[identikit]

4.34 at 237 pounds?

OSU's rubber track is probably one of the fastest in the country. I doubt he's a true 4.34 guy.

h8r. However weather he is a legit 4.38 or 4.40 guy pushing 237 pounds color me extremely impressed.

So how was the weather in Columbus?

 

[zdaddy]

4.34 at 237 pounds?

OSU's rubber track is probably one of the fastest in the country. I doubt he's a true 4.34 guy.

h8r. However weather he is a legit 4.38 or 4.40 guy pushing 237 pounds color me extremely impressed.

So how was the weather in Colombus?

 

[Burning Sensation]

4.34 at 237 pounds?

OSU's rubber track is probably one of the fastest in the country. I doubt he's a true 4.34 guy.

h8r. However weather he is a legit 4.38 or 4.40 guy pushing 237 pounds color me extremely impressed.

So how was the weather in Colombus?

 

[fruity pebbles]

Looks like there are three good HBs this year rather than just two, and four elite rookie picks.

McCoy or Brown? (I got McCoy as one)

I've got those two a full tier below. Brown just looks very average to me. Does everything pretty well but nothing particularly stands out about him to me. McCoy looks like a WR playing RB. I don't think his 198 pound weight was because of the flu. That looks like a legit weight to me. At his size you need to be really fast or elusive and i don't think he's either. Strikes me as a change of pace/3rd down guy. Maybe the smaller part of a RBBC but no goalline work.

Just like Slaton and Chris Johnson? Wells is likely to be just as big of a part of RBBC as Mccoy.

You can argue that Slaton was in the right place at the right time. He also looks thicker to me than McCoy does. Chris Johnson has 4.2 speed. Do you think he'd be as successful with 4.5 speed? Wells may indeed be part of a RBBC but he'll be in the part that gets the goaline carries. He looks special on film.

 

[doowain]

To me, Wells was a virtual lock to post much better numbers today than he did at the combine. I posted this in the combine thread:

Sometimes you can tell just by watching a player run their 40 that they are faster than they look on this particular day. Manningham last year was a great example. Wells just doesn't look comfortable at all running today. I think he will run at the OSU pro-day and perform better.Bottom line, look back at his game tape. You'll see runs against schools like LSU where he runs away from people and doesn't get caught from behind.

Looks like I found my co-pilot for the Beanie Wells spaceship(cause he's fast) bandwagon.Special thanks to BS for the sig material.

Youre welcome for the sig!!Having you disagree with me about draft prospects enforces my opinions even more. Some quotes from you last year:

absolutely brilliant with Malcolm Kelly as the #1 WR, I agree 100%

I actually think Forte is going to be a major bust, not only Benson stunk in Chicago, they all stunk in Chicago and I don't think Forte is very good at all

Even with Chris Johnson being drafted high, I agree with the low ranking, I think he brings something special (speed) but it's not going to equate into much fantasywise.

I would seriously be stunned if Forte/Johnson/Smith all finished ahead of Dmac, actually I'd be stunned if any of them finished ahead of Dmac

I am taking bets on ROY, I will take McFadden over anyone who wants to pick Forte, it just seems like stealing to me, I'll wager whatever you want.

OH WOW........

 

[Chachi]

To me, Wells was a virtual lock to post much better numbers today than he did at the combine. I posted this in the combine thread:

Sometimes you can tell just by watching a player run their 40 that they are faster than they look on this particular day. Manningham last year was a great example. Wells just doesn't look comfortable at all running today. I think he will run at the OSU pro-day and perform better.Bottom line, look back at his game tape. You'll see runs against schools like LSU where he runs away from people and doesn't get caught from behind.

Looks like I found my co-pilot for the Beanie Wells spaceship(cause he's fast) bandwagon.Special thanks to BS for the sig material.

Youre welcome for the sig!!Having you disagree with me about draft prospects enforces my opinions even more. Some quotes from you last year:

absolutely brilliant with Malcolm Kelly as the #1 WR, I agree 100%

I actually think Forte is going to be a major bust, not only Benson stunk in Chicago, they all stunk in Chicago and I don't think Forte is very good at all

Even with Chris Johnson being drafted high, I agree with the low ranking, I think he brings something special (speed) but it's not going to equate into much fantasywise.

I would seriously be stunned if Forte/Johnson/Smith all finished ahead of Dmac, actually I'd be stunned if any of them finished ahead of Dmac

I am taking bets on ROY, I will take McFadden over anyone who wants to pick Forte, it just seems like stealing to me, I'll wager whatever you want.

OH WOW........

WOW... JUST... WOW is what you meant to say.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Gah, I was hoping Wells would put up mediocre times again. It seems like being down on Wells is the cool thing to be right now. I'm just hoping that the guy at the top of our rookie draft wants to be cool...

 

[loose circuits]

With this 40 time, anyone else thinking Wells is now the consensus 1.01 rookie pick?

see 3 guys jumbled at the top- wells, crabby and moreno. where they go, league rules and personal preference will dictate the order. Everyone else is a tier below imo and always has been.

you'll be singing a different tune if Donald Brown ends up in Philly (they recently worked him out)

 

[loose circuits]

Did he really run a 4.3-4.4? If so, he's a first round pick even though he's a .

so does he move up from 8 then or ???He gets put in my top 4, i'm sold. from 5. I like the 4 spot. Get the best situation outside of the top talent. Not a bad spot.

 

[loose circuits]

for the record, Chachi had Wells at 2 in his rookie rankings. Whatever that means?? check out EBF's thread

 

[Crippler]

4.34 at 237 pounds?

OSU's rubber track is probably one of the fastest in the country. I doubt he's a true 4.34 guy.

Issue with this was the other guys did not improve much at all. So the track means nothing in the end. Maybe a .04 difference than Robiskie had. That would put him as a 4.4 guy. That is great for his size.

 

[Chachi]

for the record, Chachi had Wells at 2 in his rookie rankings. Whatever that means?? check out EBF's thread

I really like Wells, I have no reason to put up a smokescreen. In one league I am in I own rookie picks 1,2,3,4 and obviously Wells falls in somewhere. I have the 6th pick in another league and no way he falls to 6, I have the 9th pick in another league and he's not falling there either, I have the 12th pick in another league and he's not falling there either, there is no smokescreen, he is the real deal. Wells has excellent size and speed, best stiff arm I've ever seen in college, he has power, he easily powers through contact, he always falls forward, he doesn't fumble, good vision, excellent feet for his size, he'll bounce right off guys in the secondary, tremendous burst, good inside and outside runner, great cutting ability. My only issue with him is he wasn't utilized in OSUs passing game which is a concern in a PPR league, I don't buy into the injury argument since he played through a broken wrist most of his sophmore season and every player can be injured.

 

[doowain]

Youre welcome for the sig!!Having you disagree with me about draft prospects enforces my opinions even more. Some quotes from you last year:

absolutely brilliant with Malcolm Kelly as the #1 WR, I agree 100%

I actually think Forte is going to be a major bust, not only Benson stunk in Chicago, they all stunk in Chicago and I don't think Forte is very good at all

Even with Chris Johnson being drafted high, I agree with the low ranking, I think he brings something special (speed) but it's not going to equate into much fantasywise.

I would seriously be stunned if Forte/Johnson/Smith all finished ahead of Dmac, actually I'd be stunned if any of them finished ahead of Dmac

I am taking bets on ROY, I will take McFadden over anyone who wants to pick Forte, it just seems like stealing to me, I'll wager whatever you want.

OH WOW........

WOW... JUST... WOW is what you meant to say. :whoosh:

I would have, but the quotes he posted of yours left me speechless.

 

[loose circuits]

for the record, Chachi had Wells at 2 in his rookie rankings. Whatever that means?? check out EBF's thread

I really like Wells, I have no reason to put up a smokescreen. In one league I am in I own rookie picks 1,2,3,4 and obviously Wells falls in somewhere. I have the 6th pick in another league and no way he falls to 6, I have the 9th pick in another league and he's not falling there either, I have the 12th pick in another league and he's not falling there either, there is no smokescreen, he is the real deal. Wells has excellent size and speed, best stiff arm I've ever seen in college, he has power, he easily powers through contact, he always falls forward, he doesn't fumble, good vision, excellent feet for his size, he'll bounce right off guys in the secondary, tremendous burst, good inside and outside runner, great cutting ability. My only issue with him is he wasn't utilized in OSUs passing game which is a concern in a PPR league, I don't buy into the injury argument since he played through a broken wrist most of his sophmore season and every player can be injured.

sounds like Michael Turner

 

[bcr8f]

Did he really run a 4.3-4.4? If so, he's a first round pick even though he's a .

so does he move up from 8 then or ???He gets put in my top 4, i'm sold. from 5. I like the 4 spot. Get the best situation outside of the top talent. Not a bad spot.

I hope so since I have the 1.1 and 1.4 in one league.

 

[Coogar]

When you evaluate a prospect it helps if you don't say things like:

Positively

Absolutely

I Guarantee

Lock

Seems like common sense to most but it still happens.

If/when you are wrong from now on please, swallow your pride and say "I got that one wrong."

 

[identikit]

When you evaluate a prospect it helps if you don't say things likeositivelyAbsolutelyI GuaranteeLockSeems like common sense to most but it still happens.If/when you are wrong from now on please, swallow your pride and say "I got that one wrong."

Better way to go than playing the smokescreen card....

 

[Joe Bryant]

To me, Wells was a virtual lock to post much better numbers today than he did at the combine. I posted this in the combine thread:

Sometimes you can tell just by watching a player run their 40 that they are faster than they look on this particular day. Manningham last year was a great example. Wells just doesn't look comfortable at all running today. I think he will run at the OSU pro-day and perform better.Bottom line, look back at his game tape. You'll see runs against schools like LSU where he runs away from people and doesn't get caught from behind.

Looks like I found my co-pilot for the Beanie Wells spaceship(cause he's fast) bandwagon.Special thanks to BS for the sig material.

Youre welcome for the sig!!Having you disagree with me about draft prospects enforces my opinions even more. Some quotes from you last year:

absolutely brilliant with Malcolm Kelly as the #1 WR, I agree 100%

I actually think Forte is going to be a major bust, not only Benson stunk in Chicago, they all stunk in Chicago and I don't think Forte is very good at all

Even with Chris Johnson being drafted high, I agree with the low ranking, I think he brings something special (speed) but it's not going to equate into much fantasywise.

I would seriously be stunned if Forte/Johnson/Smith all finished ahead of Dmac, actually I'd be stunned if any of them finished ahead of Dmac

I am taking bets on ROY, I will take McFadden over anyone who wants to pick Forte, it just seems like stealing to me, I'll wager whatever you want.

FAILEver heard of a smokescreen? I will say I do like Dmac and did like him over those guys but I'll also let you in on a little secret, I drafted Chris Johnson and Matt Forte in dynasty leagues, not over McFadden. I drafted both CJ and Forte within a week of those comments. I don't own Malcolm Kelly at all, in one league I did however draft Avery over him and drafted Royal in the late 2nd. I also drafted Brandon Marshall in a $1000 entry league in the 4th round after I buried him on these forums, I'm sure you can pull up 50 posts of me ripping Marshall to shreds. All pulling up those quotes proves is you have too much time on your hands.

If you don't have enough confidence to post your true feelings on a player, it might be best for you to find another board. If you want to come in here an intentionally post misinformation, definitely find another board. TIA.J

 

[FUBAR]

2nd tier prospect means he is not an elite prospect, like AD, Mcfadden, or even Stewart. His upside is somewhere between Lendale White and Jamal Lewis.

So his upside is somewhere between the lesser part of a RBBC and a 2,000 yard (season) rusher? Can't argue with that.

Yes, i see his upside somewhere between a good short yardage back in a comittee to a solid RB who puts together a couple of good seasons between some decent ones, with a few injuries mixed in.

IMO, he's pretty much Jamal Lewis II

Jamal Lewis is tough as nails, I don't get that comparison at all.

I'm referring to role and likely stats. toughness obviously is a question

 

[Chachi]

If you don't have enough confidence to post your true feelings on a player, it might be best for you to find another board. If you want to come in here an intentionally post misinformation, definitely find another board. TIA.J

Hey Joe,It won't happen again. That was all last year and I apologize for that. Chachi

 

[doowain]

Youre welcome for the sig!!Having you disagree with me about draft prospects enforces my opinions even more. Some quotes from you last year:

absolutely brilliant with Malcolm Kelly as the #1 WR, I agree 100%

I actually think Forte is going to be a major bust, not only Benson stunk in Chicago, they all stunk in Chicago and I don't think Forte is very good at all

Even with Chris Johnson being drafted high, I agree with the low ranking, I think he brings something special (speed) but it's not going to equate into much fantasywise.

I would seriously be stunned if Forte/Johnson/Smith all finished ahead of Dmac, actually I'd be stunned if any of them finished ahead of Dmac

I am taking bets on ROY, I will take McFadden over anyone who wants to pick Forte, it just seems like stealing to me, I'll wager whatever you want.

FAILEver heard of a smokescreen? I will say I do like Dmac and did like him over those guys but I'll also let you in on a little secret, I drafted Chris Johnson and Matt Forte in dynasty leagues, not over McFadden. I drafted both CJ and Forte within a week of those comments. I don't own Malcolm Kelly at all, in one league I did however draft Avery over him and drafted Royal in the late 2nd. I also drafted Brandon Marshall in a $1000 entry league in the 4th round after I buried him on these forums, I'm sure you can pull up 50 posts of me ripping Marshall to shreds. All pulling up those quotes proves is you have too much time on your hands.

If you don't have enough confidence to post your true feelings on a player, it might be best for you to find another board. If you want to come in here an intentionally post misinformation, definitely find another board. TIA.J

I've yet to read anything posted by Chachi that's either informative or insightful. Seems he just comes on here to stir up a crowd. From now on I'm just going to skip over anything and everything he posts.

 

[EBF]

Did he really run a 4.3-4.4? If so, he's a first round pick even though he's a .

so does he move up from 8 then or ???He gets put in my top 4, i'm sold. from 5. I like the 4 spot. Get the best situation outside of the top talent. Not a bad spot.

I think he has a chance to be successful. Possibly a RoY type performer if he lands in a starting spot. I'm not a huge fan of his long term prospects, but he certainly has the ability to step in and yield big time returns.

 

[Chachi]

I've yet to read anything posted by Chachi that's either informative or insightful. Seems he just comes on here to stir up a crowd. From now on I'm just going to skip over anything and everything he posts.

Keep your eyes open, I posted my own mock draft, I've posted rookie rankings, I've put up information on players Pro Days... Whether or not you consider it insightful is subjective but objectively it is informative.