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Bears do not retain DC Ron Rivera (1 Viewer)

Sounds like they don't want to wait around for Rivera to dump them for a HC job, and didn't want to lose the LB coach, who they've been grooming as the DC replacement.

 
Not surprising. I still think he blew it for the Bears more so than Grossman did.

I was plenty happier with the Tomlin hire in Pittsburgh the day after the Super Bowl than I was the day before it.

 
The Bears were simply outclassed in the SuperBowl, as Tommie Harris killing three offensive lineman is the key to the Bears scheme. There really wasn't any stopping Manning and company without the pressure the all-world DT provides. With that being said, this is Lovie's defense...so I don't see this as a huge loss for Chicago.

 
SeveredHorseHeads said:
Rumor is that he was never a fan of the Cover-2.
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:( Rivera was a disciple of Buddy Ryan and Jimmy Johnson and their aggressive style for defense than he was a fan of the Tampa-2. Rivera and Lovie were never really a good fit.Chico may have sealed his fate in that he went about stating openly that now was his time to become a head coach; almost giving the impression that being the Bears DC was an assumed fallback option for himself. I guess Angelo (and Lovie too) decided they weren't going to go for the ride.
 
Lefty27 said:
SeveredHorseHeads said:
Rumor is that he was never a fan of the Cover-2.
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:lmao: Rivera was a disciple of Buddy Ryan and Jimmy Johnson and their aggressive style for defense than he was a fan of the Tampa-2. Rivera and Lovie were never really a good fit.Chico may have sealed his fate in that he went about stating openly that now was his time to become a head coach; almost giving the impression that being the Bears DC was an assumed fallback option for himself. I guess Angelo (and Lovie too) decided they weren't going to go for the ride.
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The '46' isn't an easy transition from 3-4, so if he goes to Chargers it'll be a tough year on defense. However, I do believe they have the players to run it. Also, bringing Rivera in would be a popular move in SD - perhaps to counter the already unpopular Turner hiring. And, it would be insurance for Spanos/AJ if Turner flops.
 
I know Babich is supposed to be the guy that gets the job, but does anyone know if there is any chance Singletary could come over now? That's my dream scenario. :blackdot:

 
Hub Arkush was on The Score (670 AM) and his suspicions were that it really came down to $$. He and Rivera are close friends, and these were his (unconfirmed by him) suspicions.

 
They are trying to low ball Lovie Smith... there was no way they were paying Ron Rivera.

This is all about :bag: and the Bears were not paying him what he wanted and they may lose him in the future anyway if gets a HC gig, so they can start right now at filling the void and getting past the turnover asap.

 
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BigSteelThrill said:
They are trying to low ball Lovie Smith... there was no way they were paying Ron Rivera.This is all about :bag: and the Bears were not paying him what he wanted and they may lose him in the future anyway if gets a HC gig, so they can start right now at filling the void and getting past the turnover asap.
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Lovie deserves to get paid too. I think they both should walk. Lovie only has a year left I think on his deal. I know they are trying to work out an extension, but I wonder how the Rivera situation will affect it.
 
The Chargers hired Ted Cottrell as defensive coordinator, so Rivera must be under consideration for another position (assistant head coach - defense?).

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
The Chargers hired Ted Cottrell as defensive coordinator, so Rivera must be under consideration for another position (assistant head coach - defense?).
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Thats official? I heard he was leaning towards Cottrell. Hadn't seen it hit kffl or espn yet.

Actualy I did see something about it at espnnation...

6) Which is the better hire for the Chargers?

Ted Cottrell replacing Wade Phillips as defensive coordinator

Turner replacing Schottenheimer as head coach

Everybody voted Cottrell. :lol:

 
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BigSteelThrill said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
The Chargers hired Ted Cottrell as defensive coordinator, so Rivera must be under consideration for another position (assistant head coach - defense?).
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Thats official? I heard he was leaning towards Cottrell. Hadn't seen it hit kffl or espn yet.
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The press conference just concluded. I was listening live. Spanos, then Turner, then Cottrell all addressed the media. Cottrell was introduced as defensive coordinator.
 
SeveredHorseHeads said:
Rumor is that he was never a fan of the Cover-2.
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The Cover 2 got torched by Indy, and also last year by Steve Smith.Rivera's 'man coverage' approach shut down the #1 offense, the Saints.I rest my case.Rivera is from the school of Buddy Ryan's '46' and Jim Johnson's blitzing.I think this is a huge mistake, and something tells me this is more about Lovie fixing up his buddy he coached with at Tulsa and then with the Rams, and saving some money, which of course could go to... Lovie Smith.At least people won't say that Rivera is simply running Lovie's defense now. Much like they said Gary Kubiak was Mike Shanahan's Mr. Coffee.
 
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I disagree Grid. I think that this is a good thing. The last two palyoff loses for the Bears came as a result of poor defense. This is a way for the Bears brass to say that is not acceptable.

I do think that you are right that this has a lot to do with Lovie's contract. I was never really a fan of Rivera, I kind of think that he's overrated and has ridden some coat-tails of good defensive minds. I wish him well, but I'm not crying that he has left.

 
I'm not surprised by it. The Bears have handled things this way for years and it doesn't appear to be changing anytime soon. It's one of the reasons they've been a failure as an organization all these years, until recently. They never want to pay coaches the money they're worth and everyone knows it. Why do you think it was so difficult to get the top head coaching candidates to come interview the last time around? They got lucky to get someone like Lovie for cheap. And even after the year he had last season and the success he had, they "still wanted to see more" before they gave him an extension. :loco: to the Bears management. You make me ashamed to be a Bears fan sometimes. :lmao:

 
Rounders said:
Tough As Nails said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I still think he blew it for the Bears more so than Grossman did.
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:loco:
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:lmao: :goodposting: His lack of adapting to a situation and mixing his coverages/formations/blitzes killed the Bears defense in the Caroliona playoff game and in the Super Bowl.
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And how do we know that was Rivera's call? It looked pure Tampa-2 to me. And guess who dictates that BS?Rex lost the game for the Bears, plain and simple. A rookie DB blew his assignment and that was Manning's ONLY TD. The Bears were down by ONLY FIVE in the fourth quarter and all Rex had to do was drive down the field and score. He threw an interception that went the other way for seven.The Bears offense had TWO third down plays in Indianapolis territory in the entire game. That's Ron Rivera's fault I guess.Please...
 
We have no way of knowing what really happened, but when your DC interviews for six HC vacancies and has made it known he feels his time is now, it shouldn't be that surprising. Rivera is a free agent to boot, and while there is only one DC opening available [Dallas], you can be sure a few other teams would hire him in a second as a AHC/Defense and/or as DC to replace/demote someone else.

Add on to that the feeling that Lovie really trust his LB coach and has known him for 20 years, the writing was on the wall.

I can't see Rivera taking a non-DC position at this point, so it will be interesting to see if he takes the Dallas job [if it's offered] or goes another direction.

 
Well Lovie Smith just found his scape goat - and showed him the door. POS.

I hope Lovie tries playing hardball negotiating with the Bears, and they tell him to pound sand, give him his last year's salary hire Rivera as Head Coach.

Lovie Smith went way down on my list after today. How the hell do you fire the D-Coordinator that got your team into the Super Bowl. Oh ya... the cover 2 that had Urlacher dropping back into coverage couldn't contain the RBs catching passes out of the backfield.

 
JBTV said:
Sounds like they don't want to wait around for Rivera to dump them for a HC job, and didn't want to lose the LB coach, who they've been grooming as the DC replacement.
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He failed to adjust his defense against Carolina last year, and did the same in the SB this year. He's proven to be stubborn coach who won't change his ways. Plus, what is Chicago supposed to do , let him interview all over the coutnry, then , if he doesn't find something, welcome him back with open arms? Would your company allow you to do the same, go interview with , perhaps, your company's rivals/competitors, and then let you keep your job if you fail to get hired elsewhere?heck no!Rivera has proven to be a good DC, but he hasn't shown the ability to adjust on the fly, and thats the sign of a great coach, being able to change philosophies at, say, halftime. See Parcells/Bellichick/Gibbs/Holmgren (GB)/ Walsh/ Mangini/Weiss..Rivera lacks that simple intangible, and perhaps Chicago sensed that, and decided to move on..
 
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
Well Lovie Smith just found his scape goat - and showed him the door. POS.I hope Lovie tries playing hardball negotiating with the Bears, and they tell him to pound sand, give him his last year's salary hire Rivera as Head Coach.Lovie Smith went way down on my list after today. How the hell do you fire the D-Coordinator that got your team into the Super Bowl. Oh ya... the cover 2 that had Urlacher dropping back into coverage couldn't contain the RBs catching passes out of the backfield.
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I agree. I know it is blasphemy but I wouldn't be too upset if Lovie Smith was shown the door as well. Personally I think the Defense is way to talented to play a bend but don't break defense. Especially against the Colts, they had 2 weeks to prepare for Manning and everyone with a little football sense new that the Bears would have to create pressure in order to throw the Colts off their game. The Bears have so much athletic ability that I think it is a shame they don't attack more. It will be interesting to see what Rivera's style will be once he becomes a head coach or in charge of the defense, because coming from the Buddy Ryan and Eagles background I would think the way the Bears played would piss him off. I am not an ungreatful Bears fan, and I respect the success that Lovie has had, but anyone who watches the Bears closely can see that the team just does not make defensive adjustments. When you play the top teams in the AFC and your cornerbacks are always giving 5 yards cushion than the top QBs will tear us apart.
 
Jason Wood said:
We have no way of knowing what really happened, but when your DC interviews for six HC vacancies and has made it known he feels his time is now, it shouldn't be that surprising. Rivera is a free agent to boot, and while there is only one DC opening available [Dallas], you can be sure a few other teams would hire him in a second as a AHC/Defense and/or as DC to replace/demote someone else.Add on to that the feeling that Lovie really trust his LB coach and has known him for 20 years, the writing was on the wall.
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Exactly. The Bears knew they had to replace him sooner or later, didn't want to lose Babich, and made a proactive move.If the had Rivera for one more year, then he left, and took Babich with him, or Babich went elsewhere, they'd have to scramble. Now, they've gotten a one year head start on the post-Rivera years.San Diego could have used a little of this foresight.
 
Mike Singletary can only interview for Head Coaching jobs, as he's Asst. Head Coach out in Frisco. If he were smart, he'd take over as D-Coordinator.

Lovie fixed up his buddy Bob Babich (who will be the new D-Coordinator), and his pal will be his yes man. They coached together at Tulsa. They coached together with the Rams. Something tells me the Ron Rivera hire was strongly suggested by Jerry Angelo now. Lovie couldn't get Rod Marinelli released from his contract, so Rivera was the guy.

I am going to hyper-critical of every move Lovie Smith makes from this point forward.

And I'm gonna make up some WWBBD bracelets: "What would Bob Babich do?"

 
massraider said:
The Bears knew they had to replace him sooner or later, didn't want to lose Babich, and made a proactive move.If the had Rivera for one more year, then he left, and took Babich with him, or Babich went elsewhere, they'd have to scramble. Now, they've gotten a one year head start on the post-Rivera years.
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Too bad your theory holds no water Oliver Stone. Babich was the Asst. Head Coach, got named last January, so he could ONLY interview for head coaching jobs.Rivera will end up as a LB Coach / Asst. Head Coach with some other NFL team. Now would be as good a time as any to cut his chops with the 3-4 defense too. There's nothing wrong with being well versed in the 4-3, 46, the Tampa-2 and the 3-4.
 
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
massraider said:
The Bears knew they had to replace him sooner or later, didn't want to lose Babich, and made a proactive move.If the had Rivera for one more year, then he left, and took Babich with him, or Babich went elsewhere, they'd have to scramble. Now, they've gotten a one year head start on the post-Rivera years.
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Too bad your theory holds no water Oliver Stone. Babich was the Asst. Head Coach, got named last January, so he could ONLY interview for head coaching jobs.Rivera will end up as a LB Coach / Asst. Head Coach with some other NFL team. Now would be as good a time as any to cut his chops with the 3-4 defense too. There's nothing wrong with being well versed in the 4-3, 46, the Tampa-2 and the 3-4.
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Lighten up, Cranky Pants. If the Bears think that highly of Babich, is it so bad that they promoted him? Rivera is leaving sooner or later, what does it matter if its sooner?
 
LOVIE SMITH thinks that highly of his butt buddy from Tulsa and St. Louis.

THAT is my problem.

It's more about friendship than anything else imho.

It's not what you know, it's who you know.

Lovie is falling right into the 'old boy's network' and he doesn't even know it.

 
BigSteelThrill said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
The Chargers hired Ted Cottrell as defensive coordinator, so Rivera must be under consideration for another position (assistant head coach - defense?).
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Thats official? I heard he was leaning towards Cottrell. Hadn't seen it hit kffl or espn yet.

Actualy I did see something about it at espnnation...

6) Which is the better hire for the Chargers?

Ted Cottrell replacing Wade Phillips as defensive coordinator

Turner replacing Schottenheimer as head coach

Everybody voted Cottrell. :)
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That's because they don't know Cotrell. ask again in October. The results will be very different, meaning, SD fans will hate both of them.
 
That is BAFFLING...from young head coaching candidate and architect of the league's best defense to a friggin LB coach under Ted Cottrell!?!?!?!?

 
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