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Bears do not retain DC Ron Rivera (1 Viewer)
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David Dodds
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Seeing how he will likely be a head coach in a few years, I am very pleased with this.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
LOL at people thinking Babich is some stiff who just rides on Lovie's coat tails cuz he's his buddy. Lovie's 2002 Rams D was 22nd in the league in turnovers. He brought Bob in for the 2003 season and the Rams led the league in turnovers. They also improved from 7th to 4th in sacks. I predict the Bears defense will improve, and won't wilt in the second half next year while SD's D takes a big step backwards. Seeya Chico.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Not too sure about that now DD. For some reason his stock has seemed to drop a bit.
Iron Mike Tomczak
Footballguy
Im sure if the Bears D would have performed better in the Superbowl he'd be a HC somewhere...though his stock may seem low I dont think we've heard the last of the RR hype...
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Ozymandias
Footballguy
Generally speaking, yes. But you don't know what financial arrangements may have been made. I don't think they publish those salaries.
Southside Stosh
Footballguy
I'm wondering who the new D-Line coach will be. Da Bears won't be bringing back Don Johnson.
SeveredHorseHeads
Footballguy
I think it says a lot about what the rest of the NFL thought of Rivera. He was never really considered for any of the head coaching positions he interviewed for, was dropped by his team, then hired as a linebacker's coach.
SeveredHorseHeads
Footballguy
Take a deep breath.
djcolts
Footballguy
The wilting was Rivera's fault? It had more to do Rivera than with losing Tommie Harris and Mike Brown to injuries?
428143
Footballguy
Yeah, this isn't going to effect the talent on the field, which gave Rivera a name in the first place. Before the Super Bowl some of the Bears were asked who the "mind" was behind their cover 2 system, all of them said Babich. The team is in good hands, chill out.
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ericttspikes
Footballguy
Of course losing Harris and Brown hurt. Brown was gone week 6 and Harris was lost week 13. I think it's a myth that the D struggled just because Harris went out. That simply isn't true. The Bears D showed problems well before Harris went down. The perception seems to be that Harris alone stopped the run. Here's some rushing totals with Harris in there; NE 93, Jets 108, Giants 150, Miami 162, SF 134. Tommie Harris didn't even have a sack after week 4. The dude is a big part of the Bears D, and if anything his presence helps the entire D line be more effective, but he isn't a one man wrecking crew out there.The wheels fell off the AZ game. Denny exposed them big time. It's the D coordinators job to realize that and fix it.The wilting was Rivera's fault? It had more to do Rivera than with losing Tommie Harris and Mike Brown to injuries?
jagbag
Footballguy
ericttspikes said:Of course losing Harris and Brown hurt. Brown was gone week 6 and Harris was lost week 13. I think it's a myth that the D struggled just because Harris went out. That simply isn't true. The Bears D showed problems well before Harris went down. The perception seems to be that Harris alone stopped the run. Here's some rushing totals with Harris in there; NE 93, Jets 108, Giants 150, Miami 162, SF 134. Tommie Harris didn't even have a sack after week 4. The dude is a big part of the Bears D, and if anything his presence helps the entire D line be more effective, but he isn't a one man wrecking crew out there.The wheels fell off the AZ game. Denny exposed them big time. It's the D coordinators job to realize that and fix it.djcolts said:The wilting was Rivera's fault? It had more to do Rivera than with losing Tommie Harris and Mike Brown to injuries?ericttspikes said:
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Hey SHH,Curious why you think he was "never seriously considered." He's had 8 HC interviews in the last two seasons, and been mentioned on the short list in several. It's really in line with NFL history that a candidate spends a year or two interviewing but falling short and then finally landing a gig. JSeveredHorseHeads said:
SeveredHorseHeads
Footballguy
Maybe I'm wrong to say that he was never seriously considered, but that was the impression that I got. He was never really talked about as a front runner, to my knowledge, for any of the jobs he interviewed for. My impression is that most people thought that Lovie was mostly in charge of the defense and Ron's contributions were limited. For what it is worth, this is how I feel as well.Personally speaking, I thought Ron was a solid if unspectacular defensive coordinator. For all the hype about being a disciple of Jim Johnson, Rivera's blitzes were rarely effective and seemed poorly designed. Don't get me wrong, I think he will get another D-Coordinator position soon and do a good job. I'm not broken up about him leaving though. Some of the meatballs are upset about it because he was on the 85 teambut, you have to make the decision that is the best for the team. Rivera was going to be gone soon enough anyway. If his replacement was ready and with Ron's contract having expired, it was the right time to make a move.
3nOut
Footballguy
I heard Mike North on Chicago radio (the Score) this morning that it was Lovie's defense not Rivera's and he said that the players said (paraphrasing) that the only person who knew the Defense more than Lovie was Babich. That says a lot. I don't think that Lovie is falling into the 'old boy's network', maybe Babich is really that good and Lovie could trust him to stay for a couple of years.428143 said:
saintfool
Dead sexy
my guess? detroit....
From Rivera's perspective, he is putting together a heck of a resume.He played in the 46 under Buddy Ryan in Chicago (top defense in the league).He coached a very attacking style of 4-3 defense under Jim Johnson in Philadelphia (one of the top defenses in the league).He coached the Tampa 2 under Lovie Smith in Chicago (arguably top defense in the league).And how he'll coach the 3-4 under Ted Cottrell in San Diego (should be a top defense).He's played in or coached a wide variety of successful defensive schemes under a number of the top defensive minds in the NFL. He'll be able to draw on those experiences to land a top DC or possibly HC job in the future. Coaching a 3-4 is the one piece of the puzzle that he had been missing.
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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Lovie wanted Bob Babich as D-Coordinator three years ago when Tampa wouldn't let him have Rod Marinelli.
Jerry Angelo vetoed it saying he wanted a guy with more experience. Enter Ron Rivera.
Rivera's contract was up, Lovie has more power, Babich has more experience - Lovie gets his guy.
I can't wait until San Diego's LBs pound Rex Grossman into a divet hole.
Jerry Angelo vetoed it saying he wanted a guy with more experience. Enter Ron Rivera.
Rivera's contract was up, Lovie has more power, Babich has more experience - Lovie gets his guy.
I can't wait until San Diego's LBs pound Rex Grossman into a divet hole.
boubucarow
Footballguy
The promotion of Babich will result in a truer form of the Cover 2 and that is what Lovie wanted. The question here is how much Rivera's modifications to the Cover 2 made the Bears D better. Obviously, the key to that defense is the lineman creating havoc and with Harris, Anderson, Tank, and Brown/OGun, the Bears fit the scheme much better than they did when Lovie first came. IMO, Rivera was the best man for the job previously but the emergence of Anderson and Harris allows the Bears to shift to a true Cover 2 and Rivera's modifications to that defense could no longer be needed.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Hey GRID,Curious that Ron Rivera would've been considered a more experienced option than Bob Babich. Babich was only back in the NFL for a year [coaching LBs in St. Louis] but he was a LB coach in the mid 90s for the Steelers and had been coaching for nearly 20 years by the time Lovie got the Bears job. By contrast, Rivera didn't start coaching until 1997.J
msommer
Footballguy
Rivera just got done with an interview on WSCR670 on the Mike North show. I imagine it will be downloadable on their website later. What a class act.
On who called the plays, he flat out said he called the plays. He was very thankful to Lovie for allowing him the opportunity to be a real defensive coordinator. There were no philosophical differences or difficulties in the working relationship and he was very thankful for the opportunity that coach gave him.
On the Bears paying their coaches, he said that people need to understand that they were the youngest coaching staff in the NFL and the pay structure in the NFL (like most jobs) is based on years of experience. As time goes by he hopes that the coaches are paid for their experience, but he had never been a defensive coordinator before, that's what his pay was based off of, and he was very thankful to the Bears for the opportunity.
Said that he loves Chicago. Also said that he believes the Bears should make another Superbowl run. Said that some of the comparisons to 85 are valid, in that that was a team where the players really took ownership of the team. He saw the same things in the 06 Bears players.
Said that Babich should do a great job, and that people should be careful not to be overly critical of him because of the situation.
Excellent interview, great guy. I'll post a link to the whole thing if they put it up.
On who called the plays, he flat out said he called the plays. He was very thankful to Lovie for allowing him the opportunity to be a real defensive coordinator. There were no philosophical differences or difficulties in the working relationship and he was very thankful for the opportunity that coach gave him.
On the Bears paying their coaches, he said that people need to understand that they were the youngest coaching staff in the NFL and the pay structure in the NFL (like most jobs) is based on years of experience. As time goes by he hopes that the coaches are paid for their experience, but he had never been a defensive coordinator before, that's what his pay was based off of, and he was very thankful to the Bears for the opportunity.
Said that he loves Chicago. Also said that he believes the Bears should make another Superbowl run. Said that some of the comparisons to 85 are valid, in that that was a team where the players really took ownership of the team. He saw the same things in the 06 Bears players.
Said that Babich should do a great job, and that people should be careful not to be overly critical of him because of the situation.
Excellent interview, great guy. I'll post a link to the whole thing if they put it up.
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Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Personally, I just hope this is not ego.
I believe the Bears feel they are doing what they try to do every offseason Pinky, try to take over the world!
Seriously, I know the Bears feel they are improving the linebacker situation. Think of it as bringing in different teachers for the students of the game. Im sure they wish Rivera all the best, but there needed to be some changes.
I don't know much about Bob Babich, but in Lovie, and I have to say Angelo too, I trust.
I fully expect the Bears to be a better team next year and challenge in the playoffs again.
Peace-
HS
PS The superbowl was just the perfect storm against the Bears. IMO The injuries to Brown and Harris both fed to the defense wearing down and giving up the run. The Colts were the Colts and played exceptional.
The Bears will be back. Believe it. The Bears will retool. This is just a lesson. A setback. Bring on the next teacher.
I believe the Bears feel they are doing what they try to do every offseason Pinky, try to take over the world!
Seriously, I know the Bears feel they are improving the linebacker situation. Think of it as bringing in different teachers for the students of the game. Im sure they wish Rivera all the best, but there needed to be some changes.
I don't know much about Bob Babich, but in Lovie, and I have to say Angelo too, I trust.
I fully expect the Bears to be a better team next year and challenge in the playoffs again.
Peace-
HS
PS The superbowl was just the perfect storm against the Bears. IMO The injuries to Brown and Harris both fed to the defense wearing down and giving up the run. The Colts were the Colts and played exceptional.
The Bears will be back. Believe it. The Bears will retool. This is just a lesson. A setback. Bring on the next teacher.
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Englishteacher
Footballguy
Great point.
Englishteacher
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