Ben Roethlisberger - first ballot HOFer? (1 Viewer)

[SacramentoBob]

Mortal lock HOFer.

 

[daveR]

The three Super Bowl appearances makes it hard to keep him out. If he gets to a 4th, gotta be a lock IMO.

If Ben's so good by himself, why can't he beat Tebow?

 

[SacramentoBob]

The three Super Bowl appearances makes it hard to keep him out. If he gets to a 4th, gotta be a lock IMO.

If Ben's so good by himself, why can't he beat Tebow?

Let's leave the fishing trips to the pros.

 

[EBF]

Sure. He's had a great career. The numbers speak for themselves:

63.1% completion percentage

8.02 yards per attempt

165 TD :: 100 INT

2 Super Bowl wins

Just because he played on great teams doesn't invalidate his Super Bowls. He was instrumental in winning the second. Played great vs. Arizona. And guess what? Guys like Aikman, Young, Montana, Brady, and Favre had some pretty good teammates around them. You can't win a Super Bowl without help. Doesn't matter who you are.

Ben's completion percentage is right up there with guys like Brady and Manning. His yards per attempt is higher than either player by a wide margin. His one weakness is throwing INTs. That's what prevents him from entering the discussion of "best ever," but he's an upper echelon elite QB.

 

[daveR]

The three Super Bowl appearances makes it hard to keep him out. If he gets to a 4th, gotta be a lock IMO.

If Ben's so good by himself, why can't he beat Tebow?

Let's leave the fishing trips to the pros.

The HOF is for the Best of the Best. He isn't among the very best during this, his current era.He may get in. He's a quality QB, but not a "first ballot, no doubt" player.

 

[NJDawgPound]

The three Super Bowl appearances makes it hard to keep him out. If he gets to a 4th, gotta be a lock IMO.

If Ben's so good by himself, why can't he beat Tebow?

Let's leave the fishing trips to the pros.

Let's leave the HOF for the elite. Ben's selfishness with his stupid ankle cost the Steelers the back half of this season. Right down to the last couple of plays going into overtime.

 

[Ballstein]

The three Super Bowl appearances makes it hard to keep him out. If he gets to a 4th, gotta be a lock IMO.

If Ben's so good by himself, why can't he beat Tebow?

Let's leave the fishing trips to the pros.

Let's leave the HOF for the elite. Ben's selfishness with his stupid ankle cost the Steelers the back half of this season. Right down to the last couple of plays going into overtime.

No mendy, kiessel, ryan clark, Casey Hampton, pouncey,and A one legged QB. The Steelers were the equivalent of A Cleveland Browns team today.

 

[NJDawgPound]

The three Super Bowl appearances makes it hard to keep him out. If he gets to a 4th, gotta be a lock IMO.

If Ben's so good by himself, why can't he beat Tebow?

Let's leave the fishing trips to the pros.

Let's leave the HOF for the elite. Ben's selfishness with his stupid ankle cost the Steelers the back half of this season. Right down to the last couple of plays going into overtime.

No mendy, kiessel, ryan clark, Casey Hampton, pouncey,and A one legged QB. The Steelers were the equivalent of A Cleveland Browns team today.

Redman went over 100 yards and is better than Mendy anyway, Wallace, Brown, Sanders and Miller were 100%. So the center was out. Great players make great plays, not excuses.

 

[Ballstein]

Loss of starting safety and major run stopper on D, and half A QB.

I think the Browns coulda won today.

 

[NJDawgPound]

Loss of starting safety and major run stopper on D, and half A QB.I think the Browns coulda won today.

Funny, the loss of Ryan Clark earlier in the week seemed to be pretty inconsequential. This isn't about the Browns, guy. It's about Big Ben, who had a 75.9 rating today on the biggest stage of the season. Your comments about the injuries on the defense prove my point. Ben's success is a function of the defense. He had to do it himself today, and couldn't. And considering he "thrives" on playing through pain, that is not an excuse.

 

[Buffaloes]

nope

 

[EBF]

Loss of starting safety and major run stopper on D, and half A QB.I think the Browns coulda won today.

Funny, the loss of Ryan Clark earlier in the week seemed to be pretty inconsequential. This isn't about the Browns, guy. It's about Big Ben, who had a 75.9 rating today on the biggest stage of the season. Your comments about the injuries on the defense prove my point. Ben's success is a function of the defense. He had to do it himself today, and couldn't. And considering he "thrives" on playing through pain, that is not an excuse.

Nobody "thrives" on playing injured. Some just do it better than others. Ben's worst season as a pro coincided with his motorcycle accident and the health repercussions. Probably not a coincidence.He hasn't quite played up to his standard the last few weeks. There's no way of knowing for sure, but I'd guess that his injury is partially to blame. Nevermind the fact that he kept his team in the game today and gave them a chance to win. It's not his fault that Ike Taylor got roasted all game or that the defense allowed an 80 yard TD. For all we know Pitt would've won if they had gotten the ball first in OT. So it goes. His career stats compare favorably to any QB in the league. He wouldn't have that second SB ring on his finger if he wasn't capable of delivering in the clutch. He has two SB wins, a wealth of playoff appearances, and a great statistical track record. There aren't many valid knocks against him at this point.

 

[ClownDogs]

Haters gonna hate, plain and simple. When a team is as relevant as the steelers are year in and year out, of course there are gonna be haters EVERYWHERE.

Tebow played his a@@ off and beat us. We had injuries pile up and lost. Refs were horrible, BOTH WAYS.

See y'all in the playoffs next year.

Signed: Steelers fans

About Ben, i think he will be in the Hall cause of his SB's and his overall playoff record when all is said and done. Not sure i can say 100% no brainer at this time in his career, but don't see a reason big enough to keep him out.

 

[Ballstein]

Loss of starting safety and major run stopper on D, and half A QB.I think the Browns coulda won today.

Funny, the loss of Ryan Clark earlier in the week seemed to be pretty inconsequential. This isn't about the Browns, guy. It's about Big Ben, who had a 75.9 rating today on the biggest stage of the season. Your comments about the injuries on the defense prove my point. Ben's success is a function of the defense. He had to do it himself today, and couldn't. And considering he "thrives" on playing through pain, that is not an excuse.

Tebow throws for 300 plus, and you don't think the loss of the clark was a factor? Casey Hampton is the pin to that whole D-line. They are number the 1 D in football. Both of those players missing was the biggest factor in the ballgame.

 

[NJDawgPound]

Loss of starting safety and major run stopper on D, and half A QB.I think the Browns coulda won today.

Funny, the loss of Ryan Clark earlier in the week seemed to be pretty inconsequential. This isn't about the Browns, guy. It's about Big Ben, who had a 75.9 rating today on the biggest stage of the season. Your comments about the injuries on the defense prove my point. Ben's success is a function of the defense. He had to do it himself today, and couldn't. And considering he "thrives" on playing through pain, that is not an excuse.

Tebow throws for 300 plus, and you don't think the loss of the clark was a factor? Casey Hampton is the pin to that whole D-line. They are number the 1 D in football. Both of those players missing was the biggest factor in the ballgame.

Again, DEFENSIVE INJURIES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH BEN'S PERFORMANCE TODAY! Why aren't you getting this?

 

[Ballstein]

Loss of starting safety and major run stopper on D, and half A QB.I think the Browns coulda won today.

Funny, the loss of Ryan Clark earlier in the week seemed to be pretty inconsequential. This isn't about the Browns, guy. It's about Big Ben, who had a 75.9 rating today on the biggest stage of the season. Your comments about the injuries on the defense prove my point. Ben's success is a function of the defense. He had to do it himself today, and couldn't. And considering he "thrives" on playing through pain, that is not an excuse.

Tebow throws for 300 plus, and you don't think the loss of the clark was a factor? Casey Hampton is the pin to that whole D-line. They are number the 1 D in football. Both of those players missing was the biggest factor in the ballgame.

Again, DEFENSIVE INJURIES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH BEN'S PERFORMANCE TODAY! Why aren't you getting this?

dude, you mentioned Ryan wasn't an excuse. It's the internet,and your freaking out....good night bahahaha

 

[General Tso]

I see a lot of talk in here on number of Probowls. Is that really a stat used by those doing the voting? I'd think they'd be more intelligent than that.

 

[NJDawgPound]

Loss of starting safety and major run stopper on D, and half A QB.I think the Browns coulda won today.

Funny, the loss of Ryan Clark earlier in the week seemed to be pretty inconsequential. This isn't about the Browns, guy. It's about Big Ben, who had a 75.9 rating today on the biggest stage of the season. Your comments about the injuries on the defense prove my point. Ben's success is a function of the defense. He had to do it himself today, and couldn't. And considering he "thrives" on playing through pain, that is not an excuse.

Tebow throws for 300 plus, and you don't think the loss of the clark was a factor? Casey Hampton is the pin to that whole D-line. They are number the 1 D in football. Both of those players missing was the biggest factor in the ballgame.

Again, DEFENSIVE INJURIES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH BEN'S PERFORMANCE TODAY! Why aren't you getting this?

dude, you mentioned Ryan wasn't an excuse. It's the internet,and your freaking out....good night bahahaha

I guess you win then. Sleep well.

 

[GridironMenace]

Big Ben was never a dominant QB in the NFL, nor the AFC for that matter. He won SB's largely on the back of an elite defense and a studly power running game. Once the defense stopped being elite, Big Ben stopped winning SuperBowls.

Was this written from the future? If so, please let us know when the Steelers' defense stopped being elite and how many SBs they won before that happened.

I suppose it was, wasn't it?

 

[Steelers4Life]

I think Ben played very well today considering the circumstances.

His offensive line isn't a strength to start with, and he played today without his center, who's also his best offensive lineman, and he lost his left tackle in the 2nd quarter. He fought through an injury that will reportedly take 2 months of inactivity to fully heal, and he made plenty of plays to put the Steelers in a competitive position.

An injured Ben still gave the Steelers a better shot today than Charlie Batch would have, and I thought Ben played like a warrior even though the defense let them down. He'll be back again next year, and he Steelers will be contenders again... and again... and again.

 

[NJDawgPound]

Both EBF and ClownDogs above brought up Super Bowl records. While Ben is 2-1, he's been outplayed by the other team's QB all three times and his overall record in those three games is:

55/91, 642 yards, 3 TD, 5 INT, 69.94 QB Rating

If someone asked you "Which Super Bowl Winning QB had the lowest QB rating ever?" Ben would be the answer.

That's not glowing by any means.

Don't get me wrong, I'd kill to have his kind of playoff record for the Browns. I'm jealous of it, he's perfect for their system, I just don't think he's near the level of Manning, Brady, or Brees who he will be measured against down the line.

 

[NJDawgPound]

I see a lot of talk in here on number of Probowls. Is that really a stat used by those doing the voting? I'd think they'd be more intelligent than that.

It's a measure of how you rate against your contemporaries. Although if you're 7th alternate and the 6 ahead of you decline for injury or other reason, you go and it counts as a Pro Bowl appearance so go figure...

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Seasons over, back to monitoring the VIP room..

 

[daveR]

Both EBF and ClownDogs above brought up Super Bowl records. While Ben is 2-1, he's been outplayed by the other team's QB all three times and his overall record in those three games is:55/91, 642 yards, 3 TD, 5 INT, 69.94 QB RatingIf someone asked you "Which Super Bowl Winning QB had the lowest QB rating ever?" Ben would be the answer. That's not glowing by any means. Don't get me wrong, I'd kill to have his kind of playoff record for the Browns. I'm jealous of it, he's perfect for their system, I just don't think he's near the level of Manning, Brady, or Brees who he will be measured against down the line.

I wish the Browns had drafted him!

 

[Uruk-Hai]

He's also the hero in two of the biggest plays in postseason history, The Tackle and The Throw. Both led to Super Bowl victories.

Those aren't even the biggest postseason plays by that franchise, much less all of the others.

Please tell me what could be bigger than a pinpoint TD pass that wins a Super Bowl in the final minute.

I'm pretty old, but the two that stand out to me are the Immaculate Reception & Swann's catch (can't recall which SB). The Ben/Holmes play was a thing of beauty & deserves its ranking of being among the best. I don't even think about the Tackle anymore, but then I'm not a Steelers fan.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Both EBF and ClownDogs above brought up Super Bowl records. While Ben is 2-1, he's been outplayed by the other team's QB all three times and his overall record in those three games is:

55/91, 642 yards, 3 TD, 5 INT, 69.94 QB Rating

If someone asked you "Which Super Bowl Winning QB had the lowest QB rating ever?" Ben would be the answer.

That's not glowing by any means.

He measures pretty well against a similar style of QB and all-time great HOFer, John Elway. Elway was "outplayed" by the opposing QB in four of five Super Bowls.John Elway's SB numbers:

76/152, 1128 yards, 3 TD, 8 INT, 59.3 QB Rating

After The Fumble in 1988 Elway posted a 36.8 QB rating in SB XXII, losing 42-10 to the Redskins. Two years later in SB XXIV Elway was in the prime of his career (29) and lost 55-10 to the 49'ers. He posted a QB rating of 19.4 -- 3 points lower than Ben's in SB XL (at age 23).

Ben's career regular season, postseason and SB numbers also compare favorably to Elway.

Regular Season QB Rating:

Ben 92.1

Elway 79.9

Postseason QB Rating:

Ben 83.7

Elway 79.7

SB QB Rating

Ben 69.9

Elway 59.3

Regular Season Record

Ben 80-33 (.708)

Elway 148-82-1 (.643)

Postseason Record

Ben 10-4 (.714)

Elway 14-8 (.636)

Super Bowl Record

Ben 2-1 (.667)

Elway 2-3 (.400)

None of Elway's Super Bowl flops have taken away from his legacy, in fact he's most well known for The Drive and similar comebacks. I suspect the same will be true of Ben as he ages.

 

[NJDawgPound]

Both EBF and ClownDogs above brought up Super Bowl records. While Ben is 2-1, he's been outplayed by the other team's QB all three times and his overall record in those three games is:

55/91, 642 yards, 3 TD, 5 INT, 69.94 QB Rating

If someone asked you "Which Super Bowl Winning QB had the lowest QB rating ever?" Ben would be the answer.

That's not glowing by any means.

He measures pretty well against a similar style of QB and all-time great HOFer, John Elway. Elway was "outplayed" by the opposing QB in four of five Super Bowls.John Elway's SB numbers:

76/152, 1128 yards, 3 TD, 8 INT, 59.3 QB Rating

After The Fumble in 1988 Elway posted a 36.8 QB rating in SB XXII, losing 42-10 to the Redskins. Two years later in SB XXIV Elway was in the prime of his career (29) and lost 55-10 to the 49'ers. He posted a QB rating of 19.4 -- 3 points lower than Ben's in SB XL (at age 23).

Ben's career regular season, postseason and SB numbers also compare favorably to Elway.

Regular Season QB Rating:

Ben 92.1

Elway 79.9

Postseason QB Rating:

Ben 83.7

Elway 79.7

SB QB Rating

Ben 69.9

Elway 59.3

Regular Season Record

Ben 80-33 (.708)

Elway 148-82-1 (.643)

Postseason Record

Ben 10-4 (.714)

Elway 14-8 (.636)

Super Bowl Record

Ben 2-1 (.667)

Elway 2-3 (.400)

None of Elway's Super Bowl flops have taken away from his legacy, in fact he's most well known for The Drive and similar comebacks. I suspect the same will be true of Ben as he ages.

All excellent points, man. When you look at Elway's numbers, they really aren't all that impressive. He IS the Drive though and the Super Bowl wins ice his legacy.

 

[Steelfan7]

I don't see how anyone could make an argument that Big Ben is remotely even close to Rodgers, Brees, PManning, or Brady.

If we are talking about quarterbacking a team to wins... he's better. (though I understand the Manning and Brady counteragument) We are talking abut the Hall of Fame, yes? Not the Hall of Stats.

Do you really think that Rodgers, Brady, Brees, or Manning couldn't win if they had the #1 defense to support them? Really?

With our OLine over the years, except for possibly Rodgers, these guys would likely be dead.

I think this point gets overstated. People say the Steelers have a bad offensive line because Roethlisberger gets sacked and hit a lot. But Roethlisberger holds the ball much longer than most other QBs, so he is a big reason for that.