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I think Tate can be a serious contributor to a team for the stretch run. I also can see why he was jettisoned. He publicly questioned the coaching staff. Pettine just showed he is not going to tolerate that type of attitude. He was challenged and Tate lost. It is a good message for the Browns locker room.

With that said, Tate looked good then hurt his knee. I fully expect him to average at least 4 yards a carry on a team like the Broncos or Colts.
Really good message actually. This was his first big free agent signing and he was willing to let him walk because of his attitude. Helps to have good replacements but it sets the tone, no one is irreplaceable, so get with the program.
 
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Free to sign with any team, or is there a waiver priority? Termed another way, is he about to become a Raider?

If he is free to sign anywhere, what are the best bets?

Indi obviously

Denver

Miami

Pitts

Would be a valuable handcuff in any of these spots. Possibly a starter in 2-3 weeks in Indi.
He's not free to sign anywhere; he must go through waivers first.

The team that claims him would owe him the remainder of this years salary, $375K. There's nothing guaranteed beyond that, so that's as much as any team would have to invest.
I think it's it a little more than that but not much.Here are the contract details.

Here’s the truth on Tate, based on numbers provided to the NFLPA.

He gets a signing bonus of $1.5 million and a fully-guaranteed 2014 base salary of $1 million. He also can earn $46,875 for each game on the active roster in 2014, which can result in another $750,000. For 2015, the base salary moves to $2.2 million, and another $750,000 can be made via the same per-game roster bonuses.
 
I think Tate can be a serious contributor to a team for the stretch run. I also can see why he was jettisoned. He publicly questioned the coaching staff. Pettine just showed he is not going to tolerate that type of attitude. He was challenged and Tate lost. It is a good message for the Browns locker room.

With that said, Tate looked good then hurt his knee. I fully expect him to average at least 4 yards a carry on a team like the Broncos or Colts.
Really good message actually. This was his first big free agent signing and he was willing to let him walk because of his attitude. Helps to have good replacements but it sets the tone, no one is irreplaceable, so get with the program.
The Colts OL is very bad at run blocking, so just because Bradshaw averaged over 4 yds a carry, I'm not sure a player like Tate could. He's no better than Herron imo.

 
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I think Tate can be a serious contributor to a team for the stretch run. I also can see why he was jettisoned. He publicly questioned the coaching staff. Pettine just showed he is not going to tolerate that type of attitude. He was challenged and Tate lost. It is a good message for the Browns locker room.

With that said, Tate looked good then hurt his knee. I fully expect him to average at least 4 yards a carry on a team like the Broncos or Colts.
Really good message actually. This was his first big free agent signing and he was willing to let him walk because of his attitude. Helps to have good replacements but it sets the tone, no one is irreplaceable, so get with the program.
The Colts OL is very bad at run blocking, so just because Bradshaw averaged over 4 yds a carry, I'm not sure a player like Tate could. He's no better than Herron imo.
OK.

 
Tate time line.

MARCH

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/browns-sign-free-agent-rb-191740078--nfl.html

''LET'S DO THIS CLEVELAND!! (hashtag) DawgPound,'' Tate posted on his Twitter account....

... I feel like now that I've been given this opportunity that I can be one of the top backs in the league. I'm going to let my play speak for itself. But I want it to be known that I do feel like I'm a guy who's gonna be a top-10, top-8, top-5 running back.''
JUNE

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/06/browns_ben_tate_on_his_battle.html

on June 12, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Browns' Ben Tate on his battle with Terrance West: 'Nobody in that room scares me, it's really not anything'

BEREA, Ohio - Browns running back Ben Tate views his battle for the starting job with rookie Terrance West as "really not anything."

... there's no one that can touch me or that's close to what I do,''
LAST WEEK

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_browns_ben_tate_admi.html#incart_related_stories

Cleveland Browns' Ben Tate admits 'I'd be lying' to say he's satisfied with his role and the three-back rotation

... Would he have signed here if he knew he'd be part of the backfield trio?

"I don't really want to get into that now,'' he said

... Tate admitted he doesn't get the whole three-back thing, and indicated he's trying to make the best of a tough situation.

"I'm just a player, man, I'm just a number to them,'' said Tate.
AFTER SUNDAY'S GAME

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/11/ben_tates_playing_time_diminis.html#incart_related_stories

Ben Tate's playing time diminishes as Cleveland Browns giving added carries to rookies with 'little more pop'

on November 17, 2014

... After Sunday's game he initially declined comment to reporters: "Why do you want to talk to me? I didn't play a down."

Pettine was asked Monday if Tate's attitude or any off-field problem contributed to the decision to reduce his playing time.

"Nothing I would speak on here," the coach told reporters.

... Asked Sunday if a steady rotation would benefit the club, Tate said: "That's something you'll have to ask the coaches. That's out of my league, out of my territory."
It looks like a malcontent situation.

This from today shows that players suspected Tate wasn't long for the team a month ago.

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Tom Withers @twithersAP Follow

One month ago a #Browns player told me Tate "won't be here for long."

10:13 AM - 18 Nov 2014

 
The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports the Colts are unlikely to claim ex-Browns RB Ben Tate on waivers, but will "likely" be interested if he clears.
It's unclear if beat writer Mary Kay Cabot is simply spitballing, but she is reliable. Cabot reports the Broncos are "not interested." Tate is likely to draw more interest than fellow released back LeGarrette Blount, as he's younger, and has a much-shorter trail of incidents. Indy makes almost too much sense as a landing spot after the Colts lost Ahmad Bradshaw.
 
Someone is going to claim him to stop Indy from getting him.

Whats the waiver order?

 
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Someone is going to claim him to stop Indy from getting him.

What is the waiver order?
So some team is going to sign a guy to their roster that they don't want and pay him close to half a million dollars to block another team from getting him? You forget that they are playing REAL football. Not fantasy football.

 
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Someone is going to claim him to stop Indy from getting him.

What is the waiver order?
So some team is going to sign a guy to their roster that they don't want and pay him close to half a million dollars to block another team from getting him? You forget that they are playing REAL football. Not fantasy football.
...and playing with real money
...and playing for real Super Bowl titles.

 
Someone is going to claim him to stop Indy from getting him.

What is the waiver order?
So some team is going to sign a guy to their roster that they don't want and pay him close to half a million dollars to block another team from getting him? You forget that they are playing REAL football. Not fantasy football.
...and playing with real money
...and playing for real Super Bowl titles.
If this was Week 17 and the team playing Indy had to win this week to make playoffs then MAYBE they'd consider doing something like this. Otherwise, no.

 
Holy sheep.

Totally unexpected news.

Feel bad for the guy but he made some sulky-type comments after the Texan game about not even getting a carry when he actually had two for negative yardage.

Definitely a huge bump for Isaiah Crowell and Terrance West.

Oh since he was 'just' reinstated this could have been a shot across the bow of WR Josh Gordon to shape the F' up and toe the Pettine line.
I'm not sure how an extra two carries split between Crowell and West equates to a "huge bump".
:goodposting: there is no bump

 
Holy sheep.

Totally unexpected news.

Feel bad for the guy but he made some sulky-type comments after the Texan game about not even getting a carry when he actually had two for negative yardage.

Definitely a huge bump for Isaiah Crowell and Terrance West.

Oh since he was 'just' reinstated this could have been a shot across the bow of WR Josh Gordon to shape the F' up and toe the Pettine line.
I'm not sure how an extra two carries split between Crowell and West equates to a "huge bump".
:goodposting: there is no bump
Really?

Tate got two carries in the last game he played on Sunday when the coaches had obviously had enough of his act. The only time he got less than ten carries was in the game when he left early due to injury.

In the other six games he had an average of over 16 carries.

If you take out the two games when he was featured and average over 25 carries per game he still averaged nearly 13 carries per game.

So if you think that he only averaged 2 carries per game you're nuts. He averaged 13 carries in games when he WASN'T the feature back for the Browns who run more than any team in the NFL and those 13 carries that were going to Tate will go to someone else.

 
As a Tate owner in Dynasty :bag: , I couldn't be more pleased. He was going nowhere in Cleveland. I will be looking to ride any hint of enthusiasm when Tate finds a new home, and I will look to trade Tate for whatever I can get from a RB-starved team. Tate could still resurrect his career, and with the right landing spot, his value could really spike.

Just for fun:

Indianapolis: This will be the most talked about landing spot, with the injury to Bradshaw. Indy would be foolish to not at least kick the tires here, it would seem. At least on the surface, Tate appears he could be be an improvement over Boom or TRich.

Denver: With both Ball and Hillman dinged up, Denver could show some interest. CJ Anderson has looked the part of a quality back, so I'm not sure where Tate would fit in, but a Denver signing would certainly be intriguing.

Dallas: Joseph Randle has had his issues this season (the shoplifting incident and calling out Dez Bryant), and Dunbar is best suited as a COP back. With Murray a free agent at season's end, bringing in a power back with every down potential makes sense.

Seattle: Marshawn has been showing some signs of wear and tear, and it is no secret there is some discontent there. For all the Christine Michael hype (and I admit I am still on the bandwagon), he has yet to make his mark.

Atlanta: Jackson has a lot of tread wear on his tires, and Freeman hasn't stepped up like many had hoped.

Arizona: The Cards lack depth behind Ellington, and a bruiser like Tate could be a welcome addition.

New England: It seems New England is always in these discussions. I'm not sure they have much interest in another Ridley-like player, but the Pats are hard to figure out. They might be more interested in reclaiming Blount.

Pittsburgh: With Blount gone, it would seem there is a vacancy. I doubt Tate would be too eager to sign on in an obvious reserve role behind Bell.

As I recall, Tate's contract was a one-year deal, so I wouldn't think the hit would be too substantial for a team to put in a waiver claim for Tate, and that may dictate where Tate lands. If he does clear waivers, however, Tate could try to position himself for a better gig for next season.

 
From the FFPC site:

Ben Tate, rb

Player News: Steelers | Interested in Ben Tate?

Analysis: Free-agent RB Ben Tate (Browns) may already have drawn interest from the Pittsburgh Steelers after being released by the Cleveland Browns Tuesday Nov. 18. A Steelers staff member reportedly called a Cleveland Browns staff member asking about Tate's release.
 
tate actually looked fantastic in his first game back after injury. he was showing patience and quickness and suddenness. not really sure where that went, mebbe it was just due to his opponent. he actually looked a bit like leveon bell in how he moved.

 
tate actually looked fantastic in his first game back after injury. he was showing patience and quickness and suddenness. not really sure where that went, mebbe it was just due to his opponent. he actually looked a bit like leveon bell in how he moved.
I think it left when his center broke his ankle.

 
tate actually looked fantastic in his first game back after injury. he was showing patience and quickness and suddenness. not really sure where that went, mebbe it was just due to his opponent. he actually looked a bit like leveon bell in how he moved.
Same game Alex Mack got hurt in

 
As a Tate owner in Dynasty :bag: , I couldn't be more pleased. He was going nowhere in Cleveland. I will be looking to ride any hint of enthusiasm when Tate finds a new home, and I will look to trade Tate for whatever I can get from a RB-starved team. Tate could still resurrect his career, and with the right landing spot, his value could really spike.

Just for fun:

Indianapolis: This will be the most talked about landing spot, with the injury to Bradshaw. Indy would be foolish to not at least kick the tires here, it would seem. At least on the surface, Tate appears he could be be an improvement over Boom or TRich.

Denver: With both Ball and Hillman dinged up, Denver could show some interest. CJ Anderson has looked the part of a quality back, so I'm not sure where Tate would fit in, but a Denver signing would certainly be intriguing.

Dallas: Joseph Randle has had his issues this season (the shoplifting incident and calling out Dez Bryant), and Dunbar is best suited as a COP back. With Murray a free agent at season's end, bringing in a power back with every down potential makes sense.

Seattle: Marshawn has been showing some signs of wear and tear, and it is no secret there is some discontent there. For all the Christine Michael hype (and I admit I am still on the bandwagon), he has yet to make his mark.

Atlanta: Jackson has a lot of tread wear on his tires, and Freeman hasn't stepped up like many had hoped.

Arizona: The Cards lack depth behind Ellington, and a bruiser like Tate could be a welcome addition.

New England: It seems New England is always in these discussions. I'm not sure they have much interest in another Ridley-like player, but the Pats are hard to figure out. They might be more interested in reclaiming Blount.

Pittsburgh: With Blount gone, it would seem there is a vacancy. I doubt Tate would be too eager to sign on in an obvious reserve role behind Bell.

As I recall, Tate's contract was a one-year deal, so I wouldn't think the hit would be too substantial for a team to put in a waiver claim for Tate, and that may dictate where Tate lands. If he does clear waivers, however, Tate could try to position himself for a better gig for next season.
Who has the first claim on him?

 
I still can't believe I picked this clown up dropping Gray this past week. What a bonehead move by me.

Is there a chance Indy picks him up?

 
raiders should claim him, convert next year's salary to a roster bonus in the offseason so he makes vet minimum, then trade him for a pick.

 
Ravens have been mentioned due to the Kubiak connection
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Late-For-Work-1119-Would-Ravens-Sign-LeGarrette-Blount-Or-Ben-Tate/17a7b7b2-11a5-4684-8f13-26270802356e

Late For Work 11/19: Would Ravens Sign LeGarrette Blount Or Ben Tate?Posted 47 minutes ago

Would Ravens Sign LeGarrette Blount Or Ben Tate?

From the moment two AFC North running backs were cut, the questions started flooding in.

Would the Ravens be interested in signing former Cleveland Brown Ben Tate or former Pittsburgh Steeler LeGarrette Blount?

Four reporters give their opinion:

The Baltimore Sun’s Aaron Wilson: “With Ravens and LeGarrette Blount, they talked to him in free agency, but never made formal contract offer, didn't want to give up [compensatory] pick. Ravens' running game running smoothly with Justin Forsett as lead back. Would never rule out adding depth, but doesn't seem like a slam dunk. Tend to think that Colts or Patriots make the most sense as landing spots for LeGarrette Blount.”

ProFootballTalk.com’s Mike Florio: “The Ravens could be interested, too, given that Tate played for Offensive Coordinator Gary Kubiak when Kubiak was the coach in Houston. Another one of Kubiak’s former Texans players, Justin Forsett, has had a career year with Kubiak in Baltimore.”

The Sun’s Jeff Zrebiec: “[Gary] Kubiak connection makes Tate to Ravens talk inevitable but Ravens already challenged to keep Forsett, Pierce and Taliaferro all involved.”

ESPN’s Jamison Hensley: For those wondering if #Ravens would be interested in Tate, there is a connection with Kubiak but Tate was averaging a career-low 3.1 YPC.”

So it doesn’t look likely. And even if the Ravens were interested in either running back (and even if Baltimore could claim them off waivers before another team did), both would need an attitude adjustment fast.

Blount left the field before the end of Monday’s game because he was upset he didn’t get a single carry, according to The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Blount had already changed into street clothes by the time most of the Steelers reached the locker room, per NFL.com. That can come across as selfish as Le’Veon Bell rushed for 204 rushing yards that night and propelled the Steelers to victory.

Meanwhile, Tate complained to the media about the Browns paring down his touches in favor of rookies Terrance West and Isaiah Crowell. He said he’d “be lying if” he said he was satisfied with his role, per The Cleveland Plain Dealer.

If they came to Baltimore, they’d have to quickly get used to watching Forsett carrying the load because nobody needs a locker room distraction.

Regardless of what happens, it’s important to point this out: Ozzie Newsome and the Ravens got it right when they signed Forsett instead of Tate or Blount in the offseason (although even the Ravens would admit they didn’t know it would work out this well). All three backs were available, and the Ravens went with Forsett.

Our own Garrett Downing sums it up perfectly in the tweet below.

Cleveland signed Tate for two years, $7 million. He’s produced 333 yards.

Pittsburgh signed Blount for two years, $3.85 million. He’s produced 276 yards.

Baltimore signed Forsett for one year, $730,000. He’s produced 721 yards.

Garrett Downing @gdowning14
FollowIt's safe to say the Ravens ended up with the best pick here.

11:39 AM - 18 Nov 2014
By all accounts, Forsett has been a great teammate who was just thankful for the opportunity when it looked like his NFL career may have been circling the drain after an injury-riddled season in Jacksonville a year ago,” wrote WNST’s Luke Jones. “Instead, he’s having a career season in helping the Ravens pick up the pieces left behind by the Rice saga and his positive attitude has made him easy to root for.

“Tate and Blount were two talented backs many wanted the Ravens to sign last offseason and there’s no way of knowing if either would have worked out better in Baltimore, but it’s difficult to argue with the production Forsett has provided at a reduced rate.”

Will Pierce Be With Ravens Next Season?

While we’re talking about running backs, one fan asked CSNBaltimore.com’s Clifton Brown whether backup Bernard Pierce will be with the Ravens after this season.

“I think Pierce’s future with the Ravens beyond this season is in serious jeopardy,” Brown replied.

“He’s due to make $660,000 in 2015, the final year of a four-year contract. Justin Forsett has been one of the NFL’s top backs this season. Even if Forsett can’t duplicate this production in 2015, rookie Lorenzo Taliaferro has clearly shown he can be a solid backup, if not a future No. 1 back. Pierce had a golden opportunity after Ray Rice was let go, but failed to seize it. That may cost him.”
 
He's like a boxer with a glass jaw at this point. Think about what we have all been saying about this guy, "Looks good at times, but he always gets hurt." That's the summary, right?

So he gets a chance to be the man in Cleveland, and sure enough, he got hurt... again.

Can't be a lot of teams lining up for a guy that's 50/50 to make it through practice. Having said that I believe he will get scooped up. I also think that he's looking at 2-5 touches/game.

 
Someone is going to claim him to stop Indy from getting him.

What is the waiver order?
So some team is going to sign a guy to their roster that they don't want and pay him close to half a million dollars to block another team from getting him? You forget that they are playing REAL football. Not fantasy football.
...and playing with real money
...and playing for real Super Bowl titles.
Yes, but a good number of the teams this reasoning applies to has a waiver pick after the Colts.

Sure, I can see the Ravens doing this (makes sense), but the Patriots can't do anything about it because they pick after the Colts and what incentive would a team like the Raiders have to do it? Even they have to be realistic when talking about real money.

Wonder what the Falcons, Cowboys, teams like that are thinking.

 
Someone is going to claim him to stop Indy from getting him.

What is the waiver order?
Isn't in reverse order of standings?
I looked it up they say it is reverse order from last year. But if a team uses it do they fall down? Who have used theirs?
They don't fall down, because this is real football, not fantasy.

They can use it over and over again
It's not reverse order from last year anymore. At some point (I don't recall the exact date) they begin using records for this year.

 
I thought the waiver window was 24 hours. Am I wrong?
Apparently nobody knows. I've asked when the waivers process in here and I've seen others ask it in other threads and haven't seen an answer yet.
I seem to recall that its not an exact 24 hour clock and that it ties in to 5pm NYC time (close of their business day). So, I suspect you'll see some twitter news somewhere around then.

 
And tidbit for those playing at home:

Tate has more than 4 years service so technically he isn't waived, he is released (can sign as a FA immediately). However, there is an exception that states that since he is released after the trade deadline, he must pass through the waiver system, regardless.

I bring that up not as a trivia/trivial thing but to opine if, because of this subtlety, if it is possible that the 24 hour "waiver" period isn't an exact, firm 24 hours in this case.

 
And tidbit for those playing at home:

Tate has more than 4 years service so technically he isn't waived, he is released (can sign as a FA immediately). However, there is an exception that states that since he is released after the trade deadline, he must pass through the waiver system, regardless.

I bring that up not as a trivia/trivial thing but to opine if, because of this subtlety, if it is possible that the 24 hour "waiver" period isn't an exact, firm 24 hours in this case.
Well said.

 

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