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Ben Tate's perceived Value? (1 Viewer)

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What is the general consensus on Mr.Tate given the aggravated injury to Foster's Hammy. As a Foster owner in one league I made sure you draft him. In another league I took him with my second to last pick.

What has Tate's value been on the trade market? I think the more he plays the less Foster will ever carry a full load again.

Thoughts?

 
If it helps, I was offered Cam Newton for Ben Tate in a PPR league today. I think that's pretty fair.

 
Agreed hes worth the most to me in the league I have Foster. In the league I dont I would move him for a season long answer at another position. Just curious what people have been seeing in their leagues so far.

 
Just accepted the Newton for Tate trade. I think it was pretty even.

Anyone else want to throw out some recent offers or comparable players?

 
I just traded him in my keeper league to the Foster owner. Traded Tate and Hines Ward for Jason Witten.

 
I offered Bowe straight up for him in a non PPR dynasty league and was turned down. I think this would be overpaying, but I'm a Foster owner with a strong win now team and am deep at WR. He's re-building. Am I off base thinking that he should have jumped on this?

 
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I offered Bowe straight up for him in a non PPR dynasty league and was turned down. I think this would be overpaying, but I'm a Foster owner with a strong win now team and am deep at WR. He's re-building. Am I off base thinking that he should have jumped on this?
He should have. But probably similar to the Tate owner in my league in which I own Foster where he has him severely over-valued. (I think the quote was "Tate is worth more than any player on your roster" which while obviously is hyperbole gives you some insight into some of his owner's overvaluation.) I think part of it has to do with wanting to outsmart the room and ride The Next Foster to a championship.Admittedly, I'm a non-panicky Foster owner. I don't think Tate is exceptional in NFL terms and once the superior player is healthy (Foster) he'll get the bulk of the carries with Tate spelling him like any other capable backup as has happened in every backfield with a stud RB since I can remember.As far as Tate's perceived value, as a Foster owner I'd consider moving a RB/WR2 for him but nothing more significant than that.
 
I offered Bowe straight up for him in a non PPR dynasty league and was turned down. I think this would be overpaying, but I'm a Foster owner with a strong win now team and am deep at WR. He's re-building. Am I off base thinking that he should have jumped on this?
He should have. But probably similar to the Tate owner in my league in which I own Foster where he has him severely over-valued. (I think the quote was "Tate is worth more than any player on your roster" which while obviously is hyperbole gives you some insight into some of his owner's overvaluation.) I think part of it has to do with wanting to outsmart the room and ride The Next Foster to a championship.Admittedly, I'm a non-panicky Foster owner. I don't think Tate is exceptional in NFL terms and once the superior player is healthy (Foster) he'll get the bulk of the carries with Tate spelling him like any other capable backup as has happened in every backfield with a stud RB since I can remember.As far as Tate's perceived value, as a Foster owner I'd consider moving a RB/WR2 for him but nothing more significant than that.
great postFoster owner here -- I offered AJ Green or Steve Johnson -- He countered back wanting Matt Stafford with "Tate is the man here on out - Hammy's never heal"Not sure how to respond other then -- oh well. I have a feeling there will be a lot of pissed Tate owners in about 3 weeks.
 
I offered Bowe straight up for him in a non PPR dynasty league and was turned down. I think this would be overpaying, but I'm a Foster owner with a strong win now team and am deep at WR. He's re-building. Am I off base thinking that he should have jumped on this?
He should have. But probably similar to the Tate owner in my league in which I own Foster where he has him severely over-valued. (I think the quote was "Tate is worth more than any player on your roster" which while obviously is hyperbole gives you some insight into some of his owner's overvaluation.) I think part of it has to do with wanting to outsmart the room and ride The Next Foster to a championship.Admittedly, I'm a non-panicky Foster owner. I don't think Tate is exceptional in NFL terms and once the superior player is healthy (Foster) he'll get the bulk of the carries with Tate spelling him like any other capable backup as has happened in every backfield with a stud RB since I can remember.As far as Tate's perceived value, as a Foster owner I'd consider moving a RB/WR2 for him but nothing more significant than that.
great postFoster owner here -- I offered AJ Green or Steve Johnson -- He countered back wanting Matt Stafford with "Tate is the man here on out - Hammy's never heal"Not sure how to respond other then -- oh well. I have a feeling there will be a lot of pissed Tate owners in about 3 weeks.
I suppose it's the fantasyfootballification of watching NFL football that has people thinking in these terms. The timing of the injury probably compounds people viewing the situation more through a fantasy football than real-life NFL lens.If Foster was having a great September and pulled his hammy in Week 5, missed a few games in which Tate handled the load admirably, there would be no question that once he was healthy Foster would restore order.But because it all happened right around fantasy draft time, and Foster had that tweet, it just creates a really warped viewpoint for a lot of people.Hey, maybe I'm wrong, maybe Foster is never healthy this year, or maybe he is and it's a 50/50 split, but my money is on come October it will be 2010 all over again with Foster.
 
I offered Bowe straight up for him in a non PPR dynasty league and was turned down. I think this would be overpaying, but I'm a Foster owner with a strong win now team and am deep at WR. He's re-building. Am I off base thinking that he should have jumped on this?
He should have. But probably similar to the Tate owner in my league in which I own Foster where he has him severely over-valued. (I think the quote was "Tate is worth more than any player on your roster" which while obviously is hyperbole gives you some insight into some of his owner's overvaluation.) I think part of it has to do with wanting to outsmart the room and ride The Next Foster to a championship.Admittedly, I'm a non-panicky Foster owner. I don't think Tate is exceptional in NFL terms and once the superior player is healthy (Foster) he'll get the bulk of the carries with Tate spelling him like any other capable backup as has happened in every backfield with a stud RB since I can remember.As far as Tate's perceived value, as a Foster owner I'd consider moving a RB/WR2 for him but nothing more significant than that.
This is probably a fairly accurate assessment. I own tate, don't own foster. I agree with MoP above, he probably has the most value to me (the Tate owner.) I have no delusions about his value (the guy that wanted stafford in return for him is crazy. I could only wish i was offered some of the deals mentioned in here. I would have taken them in a second.) I haven't even tried to trade Tate away - I'm sure my league wouldn't give much for him. The prevailing thought is that Foster will return. Maybe in 1 week, maybe in 3, but he's coming back. Nobody knows how it will play out. Therefore, while tate has decent value RIGHT NOW, it may vanish in 2 weeks. Nobody will trade for that. If foster comes back in 2 weeks and he and tate still split, it could be a split for the whole season and Foster owners may be the sad ones. But my feeling is Foster will come back at some point and the most tate owners can expect is a 70/30 split (foster/tate). Right now, I think tate's real value is a fair bit higher than his perceived value - knowing that it may only last a week or two.
 
Last Year Foster was by far the best FF player. Foster is currently injured and at the moment Tate is what Foster was last year.

I own Tate and it would take a lot to get him ... In fact I don't think I would trade him straight up for Foster ... why would I want the injured half of a RB by committee?

Also from what I understand Tate may be the more talented RB, Kubiak has made comments about Tate being the lead back and and everyone RB excels on Houston.

 
i own tate and offered him straight up to the foster owner for michael bush prior to the season and it was rejected. really glad that it was and no way would i make that trade now. i do think that foster regains his starting spot, but that he will be in some kind of minor rbbc with tate. i think of it like holmes/lj 5 or 6 years ago. if foster is indeed hampered all yr, then tate can help your team immensely.

 
Last Year Foster was by far the best FF player. Foster is currently injured and at the moment Tate is what Foster was last year.

I own Tate and it would take a lot to get him ... In fact I don't think I would trade him straight up for Foster ... why would I want the injured half of a RB by committee?

Also from what I understand Tate may be the more talented RB, Kubiak has made comments about Tate being the lead back and and everyone RB excels on Houston.
This is laughable. Not trying to be rude, but did you watch any games last year? Foster's combo of size/speed/power/agility/ability to catch out of the backfield set him apart from EVERYONE last year. He does things only a few guys in the current NFL can do, if any. How short our memories are in FF land...

 
i own tate and offered him straight up to the foster owner for michael bush prior to the season and it was rejected. really glad that it was and no way would i make that trade now. i do think that foster regains his starting spot, but that he will be in some kind of minor rbbc with tate. i think of it like holmes/lj 5 or 6 years ago. if foster is indeed hampered all yr, then tate can help your team immensely.
Thank you, I was trying to think of an analogy and the Priest/LJ is a good one. (And FWIW, I don't think Tate is 75% of the player LJ was at the time.)
 
Last Year Foster was by far the best FF player. Foster is currently injured and at the moment Tate is what Foster was last year.I own Tate and it would take a lot to get him ... In fact I don't think I would trade him straight up for Foster ... why would I want the injured half of a RB by committee?Also from what I understand Tate may be the more talented RB, Kubiak has made comments about Tate being the lead back and and everyone RB excels on Houston.
This is what I've been seeing in my leagues from the tate owners -- it's a bit of a stretch imo.
 
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Foster owner in a dynasty league. I have two offers on the table to the Tate owner, and I think I am overpaying with each offer. I cannot fathom anyone that does not own Foster giving up anything close to the value of either of these trades for a guy who is a backup for the NFLs leading rusher from a year ago. Tate has big value for Foster owners, but fleeting value for others IMO. As a Foster owner, its worth the price for me.

1 - 2012 1st round pick + Robert Meachem

2 - 2012 2nd round pick, Meachem, Bernard Scott

Meachem would replace Donald Driver as his WR3.

 
12 team non ppr,

I just got offered Mendy for Tate, Nicks, and Ingram

He needs backs and I'm solid everywhere.

Should I be accepting this immediately? I feel I should but Tate having the chance to be rb#1 if Foster is out is making me second guess this. Also, I will be getting Ike in the deal.

 
Foster owner in a dynasty league. I have two offers on the table to the Tate owner, and I think I am overpaying with each offer. I cannot fathom anyone that does not own Foster giving up anything close to the value of either of these trades for a guy who is a backup for the NFLs leading rusher from a year ago. Tate has big value for Foster owners, but fleeting value for others IMO. As a Foster owner, its worth the price for me. 1 - 2012 1st round pick + Robert Meachem2 - 2012 2nd round pick, Meachem, Bernard ScottMeachem would replace Donald Driver as his WR3.
Both of these offers were turned down. Owner felt they were fair, but did not want to trade the homerun potential of Tate away for any less than a WR1 (Austin or Roddy). Not a chance I make those deals, but this may give others insight into the psyche of some Tate owners right now. I think its a bit delusional personally, but you never know. He could Pipp Foster out of a job this year and Foster could be banished to Denver next season. I just dont like the odds of that happening.
 
If you own Tate and not Foster, you pretty much can't trade Tate. I had another non-Foster owner inquiring about him, and I said that he doesn't move unless Britt or Nicks is involved.

If Foster re-aggravates one more time, or does something worse, Tate is a top 5 FF back the rest of the way. If you have the depth to hold him, you can;t move him unless you get great value. That upside is enormous. There's no reason to trade him for his value w/ the risk that Foster comes back and takes over just fine again factored in.

You have to hold him. His exact perceived value doesn't really matter, because it's not worth trading the upside at this point in the season (or the current production), with all the issues Foster has.

 
I also own Tate and the Foster owner hasn't even inquired about him so I doubt he's that interested in Tate.

I don't have any delusions about Tate being able to hold off a healthy Foster. However, one thing that factors into Tate's value IMO that hasn't been mentioned is that he is a talented back in his own right and may have an opportunity to start elsewhere when his current contract end. Basically, I think this may be a situation similar to the LaDainian Tomlinson/Michael Turner from a few years ago.

Looking at his roster and mine, it'd probably take something along the lines of Greg Little + a 2012 1st rounder (likely mid 1st though it could also be early or late 1st) for Ben Tate and MSW. Then again, I'm not really sure how that would help my roster at all unless the 2012 ended up being a top 4 pick.

 
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If you own Tate and not Foster, you pretty much can't trade Tate. I had another non-Foster owner inquiring about him, and I said that he doesn't move unless Britt or Nicks is involved.

If Foster re-aggravates one more time, or does something worse, Tate is a top 5 FF back the rest of the way. If you have the depth to hold him, you can;t move him unless you get great value. That upside is enormous. There's no reason to trade him for his value w/ the risk that Foster comes back and takes over just fine again factored in.

You have to hold him. His exact perceived value doesn't really matter, because it's not worth trading the upside at this point in the season (or the current production), with all the issues Foster has.
He has a pulled hamstring. Not a break, not a tear. Not an ACL or Achilles problem. Not even a concussion issue. A pulled hamstring. I know these are touchy injuries, but they happen all the time, they do heal and the player does return to 100%. When that happens, the best a Tate owner can realistically hope for is a RBBC. Sure you have to account for a possible recurrence of the problem, but Foster owners can also account for the possible recurrence of Tate's problems from last year, which were infinitely more serious.

In my opinion, if you dont own Foster but do own Tate right now is the ideal time to sell him for the highest possible value to the Foster owner because that owner should place the highest value on his player's handcuff. He is a great player for Foster owners to own. But to expect a WR1 like Nicks or Britt in return is lunacy IMO. There is a decent chance that by next week you will be hanging onto a guy who gives you 8-12 touches per week and is only useful as a bye-week fill in. That chance does exist. With Nicks or Britt you KNOW you have an every week starter every week that they are playing. With Tate, the odds of that being the case are slim IMO. If you were drafting today, is there any chance in the world that anyone in your league would draft Tate before Nicks or Britt? I cannot image that happening in a redraft or a Dynasty league draft. I would see Nicks or Britt likely gone by the 2nd or 3rd round, and Tate likely gone by the 5th or 6th at the earliest - and not by me anywhere near that early unless it was as a handcuff.

I watched some of the Colts game, and all of the Dolphins game. Tate took what the defense gave him and looked fine doing it, but he didnt do anything special that made me say wow. I didnt see any dynamic plays where he showed great balance, vision, or speed. He played well. He looks like he is going to be a good NFL RB. When I watched Foster last year - and I watched him every week - he looked spectacular. Broke tackles, was decisive, had great vision, and was a big part of the passing game. He made me say wow almost every week. He was great at every aspect of his job.

I think the Tate owners that are holding onto him right now and turning away solid trade offers will be sorry by week 7 when they realize what they actually have. I fully recognize that I could be wrong here - just my strong opinion that I am right. I look forward to returning to this thread later in the season. Right or wrong, it will be interesting to revisit this one later on.

 
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If you own Tate and not Foster, you pretty much can't trade Tate. I had another non-Foster owner inquiring about him, and I said that he doesn't move unless Britt or Nicks is involved.If Foster re-aggravates one more time, or does something worse, Tate is a top 5 FF back the rest of the way. If you have the depth to hold him, you can;t move him unless you get great value. That upside is enormous. There's no reason to trade him for his value w/ the risk that Foster comes back and takes over just fine again factored in. You have to hold him. His exact perceived value doesn't really matter, because it's not worth trading the upside at this point in the season (or the current production), with all the issues Foster has.
I just checked in with FBG's top 250 forward to see how they feel about Tate. Not that they are always right on this stuff (nobody is), but just for fun, here are the values for the players that have been mentioned:Nicks - 20 OverallBritt- 29Tate - 97Meachem - 98(Foster - 12)
 
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I own Tate, he is way overvalued according to this thread. I would love to package him with someone like Steven Jackson and get a upgrade. After this week his value will be inflated at it's highest, finger crossed and waiting.

:popcorn:

 
I am hoping that Tate will have value the rest of the season. I personally think it all depends on how Foster can manage his hamstring. Obviously this is not a crazy though,t but if Foster can get and stay healthy then he needs and should be the lead back the rest of the way. But, if this injury lingers, then I see Tate having significant value. I just acquired Tate in my 12 team ppr league yesterday. I thought about it and researched all opinions on this situation and decided to at least take a chance. I traded Fitzgerald for Tate, Harvin and Colston. I desperately need RB depth and my other starting WRs are Megatron and Mike Wallace, so I thought I could use my WR depth to improve the rest of my team. This may have been a stupid move, but only time will tell. But, if Tate can produce like he has the first two weeks or close to it, then I think I made a good trade.

 
Do you think Tate would be worth a 1st round pick to a Foster owner in a dynasty league? Too much to ask for or not enough?

 
Do you think Tate would be worth a 1st round pick to a Foster owner in a dynasty league? Too much to ask for or not enough?
Too much. As a Foster owner, I'd pay a 2nd, and that's only because the line is that good. I wouldn't pay a 2nd for any other handcuff.
 
Not trying to pimp my own league, but in terms of his value, I just offered the Foster owner in my league, who's dying for a viable RB1 option with a fairly solid overall roster:

Tate, Hankerson, and a 2012 2nd for Stevie Johnson.

This is with the full intention of flipping Stevie for a RB I like more, if he accepts, because I don't need him. But he's worth more than Tate in general. The round-about way I'm trying to do this is because Tate really doesn't have THAT much value right now to anyone other than the Foster owner, unless someone just wants to ride his production right now. I don't need to, and he MIGHT be worth this to this Foster owner.

If he is, I'll have sold high on a player with temporarily high (most likely) value. And since Austin is down for a couple weeks, I could use Stevie until I find a trade partner anyways.

 
If you own Tate and not Foster, you pretty much can't trade Tate. I had another non-Foster owner inquiring about him, and I said that he doesn't move unless Britt or Nicks is involved.If Foster re-aggravates one more time, or does something worse, Tate is a top 5 FF back the rest of the way. If you have the depth to hold him, you can;t move him unless you get great value. That upside is enormous. There's no reason to trade him for his value w/ the risk that Foster comes back and takes over just fine again factored in. You have to hold him. His exact perceived value doesn't really matter, because it's not worth trading the upside at this point in the season (or the current production), with all the issues Foster has.
I just checked in with FBG's top 250 forward to see how they feel about Tate. Not that they are always right on this stuff (nobody is), but just for fun, here are the values for the players that have been mentioned:Nicks - 20 OverallBritt- 29Tate - 97Meachem - 98(Foster - 12)
You prove my point here. You can't get that much for him (I'm assuming a redraft perspective right now). Foster's hammy is an issue. He's re-aggravated it twice already (or was it three times?) and so who knows what happens if he does something to it again.If Foster goes down for longer, Tate's value as an in-your-lineup player is skyhigh. He's a RB1. In the HOU offense, he'll put up top 5 RB numbers. And that's not the price you can get for him. You CAN'T get a Nicks or Britt type. And that;s why I would only move him for that type of player. I don't want to move him. I'm only selling him if I'm a) desperate or b) getting a great offer. His upside is incredible if Foster continues to have trouble with his hamstring. And even if you are gonna sell him, wait until after he goes for another 100+ and a TD this week against New Orleans.The thing is, 97th is a ####ty ranking for him. He's either going to be a top 5 RB, or he's not gonna have much value beyond a handcuff. So while 97 is about the place to put him factoring in the chances of each possible outcome, it isn;t helpful at all for his trade value. It's better to hold him for his upside, or get 30-45 overall player value at least from somebody who loves him.
 
I have an interesting dilemma...maybe folks here can opine on the best play -

I own Tate and Tolbert as my RB3 and RB4...basically bye week or injury coverage. Another owner has Foster and Ryan Mathews as his RB3. I offered him Tate for Mathews straight up. He is considering but asked if I would rather offer Tolbert for Foster straight up. Both offenses can score - so which end is better to be on?

 
I have an interesting dilemma...maybe folks here can opine on the best play -I own Tate and Tolbert as my RB3 and RB4...basically bye week or injury coverage. Another owner has Foster and Ryan Mathews as his RB3. I offered him Tate for Mathews straight up. He is considering but asked if I would rather offer Tolbert for Foster straight up. Both offenses can score - so which end is better to be on?
If you cab get foster for Tolbert do it now. By week 8 if Mathews is still healthy Tolbert will be useless.
 
'jimbodan said:
Do you think Tate would be worth a 1st round pick to a Foster owner in a dynasty league? Too much to ask for or not enough?
To little IMO unless you think it'll probably end up being a top four pick in which case they'd be overpaying. I've already mentioned it in this thread, but I think Ben Tate has some "Michael Turner San Diego days" value in him. I certainly rather have him then some 2012 2nd round RB who hasn't proven anything in the NFL.
 
Personally, I think owning the starting RB in Houston is like owning the starting RB in Denver when we whoever touched the ball produced (Davis, Anderson<portis, etc...) I would trade Tate for any player that will be an every week starter in a second (Witten, Gronkowskie, Newton for example.) He is just the current guy who is getting the ball there and if Tate got injured I think Slaton would put up huge numbers again if given the rock... To much unknown in that team who will produce for your team week in and week out...

 
'jimbodan said:
Do you think Tate would be worth a 1st round pick to a Foster owner in a dynasty league? Too much to ask for or not enough?
To little IMO unless you think it'll probably end up being a top four pick in which case they'd be overpaying. I've already mentioned it in this thread, but I think Ben Tate has some "Michael Turner San Diego days" value in him. I certainly rather have him then some 2012 2nd round RB who hasn't proven anything in the NFL.
I guess that's the dilemma. If Foster gets healthy and ends up re-signing in Houston then I'd imagine Tate's value, even in dynasty, goes down the toilet. It would be a bit of a wait to get his "Atlanta chance" (3 years left on his contract I believe) and I'd probably rather roll the dice on a rookie RB or WR that ends up in a better situation. On the other hand if Foster stays hurt or flat out loses the job and doesn't come back next year then Tate all of a sudden becomes a possible top 5 back.
 
'jimbodan said:
Do you think Tate would be worth a 1st round pick to a Foster owner in a dynasty league? Too much to ask for or not enough?
To little IMO unless you think it'll probably end up being a top four pick in which case they'd be overpaying. I've already mentioned it in this thread, but I think Ben Tate has some "Michael Turner San Diego days" value in him. I certainly rather have him then some 2012 2nd round RB who hasn't proven anything in the NFL.
I guess that's the dilemma. If Foster gets healthy and ends up re-signing in Houston then I'd imagine Tate's value, even in dynasty, goes down the toilet. It would be a bit of a wait to get his "Atlanta chance" (3 years left on his contract I believe) and I'd probably rather roll the dice on a rookie RB or WR that ends up in a better situation. On the other hand if Foster stays hurt or flat out loses the job and doesn't come back next year then Tate all of a sudden becomes a possible top 5 back.
The thing is though most rookies (even RBs) don't do to much their rookie season. So if you trade him for a mid to late 1st, you're probably not getting a return on your investment until 2013 even if you hit on your pick. I believe Ben Tate is a free agent in 2014, correct? I'd personally wait an extra year rather then take some unknown who only figures to be productive one year sooner if ever. That said, if I think the pick has a very good chance of being a top four pick (Richardson, the two top WRs, Luck, or someone else who emerges) then I'd jump all over it.
 
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'Instinctive said:
If you own Tate and not Foster, you pretty much can't trade Tate. I had another non-Foster owner inquiring about him, and I said that he doesn't move unless Britt or Nicks is involved.If Foster re-aggravates one more time, or does something worse, Tate is a top 5 FF back the rest of the way. If you have the depth to hold him, you can;t move him unless you get great value. That upside is enormous. There's no reason to trade him for his value w/ the risk that Foster comes back and takes over just fine again factored in. You have to hold him. His exact perceived value doesn't really matter, because it's not worth trading the upside at this point in the season (or the current production), with all the issues Foster has.
I just checked in with FBG's top 250 forward to see how they feel about Tate. Not that they are always right on this stuff (nobody is), but just for fun, here are the values for the players that have been mentioned:Nicks - 20 OverallBritt- 29Tate - 97Meachem - 98(Foster - 12)
That was free advice, correct? Tate is alittle low, if one doesn't know it by now. Some of the above trades are well. :lmao:
 
I'd be curious to know what other WRs besides Meachem are ranked around him. Meachem strikes me as no more then a flex play which just seems silly to me.

 

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