Benching McFadden? (1 Viewer)

[SameSongNDance]

This article pretty much puts most of the blame on McFadden. It's interesting and I partially agree. I think some of the blame can also be placed on the shoddy play calling (go deep, keep em at least slightly honest). DMC just has to watch tape and learn from his mistakes.

One thing I also took away from the article is that the OL was creating some big holes for DMC against a stout MIA rush defense. This is really good to see.

good read, maybe I'm off here.Then the question is how long does it take a RB to translate to this type of thing?

That's the thing, some RBs are suited for the ZBS and some aren't. In 2007-2009, when DMC was largely considered a bust and Fargas was essentially the lead back, OAK ran a ZBS. When they switched to a PBS, the DMC we all know and love tore up the league. Hmph..I still say you can't sit him, because all it takes is one play for him to explode, but I'm more so intrigued about the system than I was before and how he will adapt. This is literally all on DMC to learn how to hit the holes and decipher them properly.

Vision is such an underrated aspect to running that no one ever really talks about.

Oh and DMC pretty much said he doesn't give a #### about fantasy football.

 

[SameSongNDance]

If you're benching one of your first / second round picks, your season may be in trouble.

It's probably the opposite. From what I can tell, most people debating sitting him hit bench gold (Bush, Spiller).

 

[Yolkix]

Unless I was stacked beyond belief at the position I wouldn't even consider it.

 

[Acrobat7]

Unless I was stacked beyond belief at the position I wouldn't even consider it.

i normally agree, but for me it's a league without PPR and my other option would be Doug Martin @DAL...

 

[playin4beer]

Gotta start two of these 3... McFadden, Richardson, Forte/Bush..

IF Forte is declared "out" and Bush is going to get all the carries vs STL, I'm strongly considered benching McFadden this week..

 

[Shutout]

This article pretty much puts most of the blame on McFadden. It's interesting and I partially agree. I think some of the blame can also be placed on the shoddy play calling (go deep, keep em at least slightly honest). DMC just has to watch tape and learn from his mistakes.

One thing I also took away from the article is that the OL was creating some big holes for DMC against a stout MIA rush defense. This is really good to see.

good read, maybe I'm off here.Then the question is how long does it take a RB to translate to this type of thing?

That's the thing, some RBs are suited for the ZBS and some aren't. In 2007-2009, when DMC was largely considered a bust and Fargas was essentially the lead back, OAK ran a ZBS. When they switched to a PBS, the DMC we all know and love tore up the league. Hmph..I still say you can't sit him, because all it takes is one play for him to explode, but I'm more so intrigued about the system than I was before and how he will adapt. This is literally all on DMC to learn how to hit the holes and decipher them properly.

Vision is such an underrated aspect to running that no one ever really talks about.

Oh and DMC pretty much said he doesn't give a #### about fantasy football.

Bobby Wylie was on radio yesterday discussing this. He is a retired long-time O-line coach and he worked with DMAC and Bush in Oakland and his comments, while giving a lot more detail, basically echo what was said in that linked report. In essence, he says the problem with DMAC is he is so quick/fast, that he doesn't allow the time for the ZBS to do what it should do (he also mentioned, like the article, his failure to cut back).

So, he says what defenses will just keep doing is spread the line out and allow DMAC to just keep running sideline to sideline for a yard or three here and there. He did specifically mention that DMAC is talented enough to still somehow be able to bust one here and there for the long play but that, overall, teams will be thrilled to just keep spreading it out as they have the first two games.

 

[12punch]

This article pretty much puts most of the blame on McFadden. It's interesting and I partially agree. I think some of the blame can also be placed on the shoddy play calling (go deep, keep em at least slightly honest). DMC just has to watch tape and learn from his mistakes.

One thing I also took away from the article is that the OL was creating some big holes for DMC against a stout MIA rush defense. This is really good to see.

good read, maybe I'm off here.Then the question is how long does it take a RB to translate to this type of thing?

That's the thing, some RBs are suited for the ZBS and some aren't. In 2007-2009, when DMC was largely considered a bust and Fargas was essentially the lead back, OAK ran a ZBS. When they switched to a PBS, the DMC we all know and love tore up the league. Hmph..I still say you can't sit him, because all it takes is one play for him to explode, but I'm more so intrigued about the system than I was before and how he will adapt. This is literally all on DMC to learn how to hit the holes and decipher them properly.

Vision is such an underrated aspect to running that no one ever really talks about.

Oh and DMC pretty much said he doesn't give a #### about fantasy football.

he managed to do ok with the zbs in college.

 

[eoMMan]

If you're benching one of your first / second round picks, your season may be in trouble.

It's probably the opposite. From what I can tell, most people debating sitting him hit bench gold (Bush, Spiller).

Exactly. If you are benching him, that means you are very deep an are looking very good.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Head coach Dennis Allen said he will not implement changes to the Raiders' zone-blocking scheme.

Back in 2010, Darren McFadden's career took off in 2010 when Hue Jackson installed a power-blocking system. Through two games under Gregg Knapp's finesse techniques this year, McFadden is averaging 2.07 YPC and doesn't have a run longer than eight yards. "I've seen it work. It's been successful in this league, and we've got the right personnel to get it done," Allen said. We're also confident McFadden will eventually get in a groove, resulting in a "buy low" opportunity for fantasy owners.

 

[John 14:6]

I'm thinking of benching him. Have to start two RBs and I've also got Green-Ellis and Matthews (along with Donald Brown, Shaun Draughn, and Daryl Richardson FWIW...)

 

[tonyftony716]

My matchups stink this week

Jackson vs chi

McGhee vs hou

The only RBI I have with a favorable matchup is HIllis and I am not there yet with McFadden. Steelers could lay an egg on the west coast and perhaps McFadden will end up with a respectable day. at least that is what I am hoping for. Beginning of schedule is tough for him but it certainly opens up for better matchups in coming weeks. Plus he is now wearing a visor. That has to count for something.....right?

 

[otb_lifer]

Plus he is now wearing a visor. That has to count for something.....right?

Yep, Plamer 's passes will now look like mallards, instead of ducks.

 

[simey]

Plus he is now wearing a visor. That has to count for something.....right?

Yep, Plamer 's passes will now look like mallards, instead of ducks.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

BREAKING NEWS

Raiders | Darren McFadden doesn't care about fantasy football

Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:07:11 -0700 Oakland Raiders RB Darren McFadden had a message to frustrated fantasy football owners of his Wednesday, Sept. 19. "I don't too much care for fantasy football, I play real football," McFadden said.

0 Comments | Source: ANG Newspapers - Steve Corkran | Sha

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/NFL?all=1#ixzz271gmOArz

 

[Judge Smails]

This scares me.1. Raider rushing attack (FFToday) Darren McFadden and the Raiders have struggled to establish a rushing attack so far this year. McFadden has been hit by the opposition on average at 0.7 yards down field, as opposed to 3.6 yards down field last year. McFadden has 26 attempts for 54 yards for an average of 2.1 yards-per-carry. Last year, the Raider running back averaged 5.4 yards per carry. 7 hours I've got Ridely behind him and I may sit DMC. It's short-sighted to insist you can't bench him. How did that work out for people that stuck with CJnoK last year? While DMC isn't dogging it the team STINKS. How much success can you expect?

This. The Raider rushing offense is not the same folks. No holes, McFadden getting stuffed. I would never sit DMac because he can catch a screen and go the distance. Still, unless something changes he's going to drastically underperform in 2012

It may take a time for DMC to fully get into the swing of things, but it's only a matter of time before he adjusts to the ZBS. I have faith in his talent, which includes his football intelligence. He just needs to be a bit more patient when approaching the LOS. In the game against SD for example, DMC looked like he was going to break one on seemingly every other play (in the first half), but would try to hit a hole a fraction too soon or too late, which would inevitable lead to him being taken down.The team stinking isn't really an argument that I can side with. Look at MJD last year, look at Trich last week. Certain types of talent supersede sup-par situations, DMC is one of those talents.Lastly, by mid year, were going to look back at SD and MIA's rush defense and realize they played a huge part in DMC's slow start. MIA specifically held Foster and DMC to sub 4 YPC, an amazing feat IMO.Last time I'll say it, sit DMC at your own peril. When he puts it all together, it's going to be fun to watch.

Dude - DMC did not have any issues with finding holes the last 2 years. He had perfect patience and vision with zone blocking scheme before. And Foster has been pedestrian with YPC in both games. We'll see. This is all O line. Saw a stat where DMC was getting 3.7 yards before contact last year - this year it's like 0.7. That's the difference. O line is getting dominated.

 

[Zow]

PPR I don't see any way you can. However I just benched him for Trent Richardson in a traditional scoring league (Murray and Spiller are my other two starters).

ETA: Considering starting Ridley over him in another league.

 

[UKColt]

Hoping for another bum week from him so I can buy low on him, as his owner is desperate to get out and has no depth behind him.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

This article pretty much puts most of the blame on McFadden. It's interesting and I partially agree. I think some of the blame can also be placed on the shoddy play calling (go deep, keep em at least slightly honest). DMC just has to watch tape and learn from his mistakes.

One thing I also took away from the article is that the OL was creating some big holes for DMC against a stout MIA rush defense. This is really good to see.

good read, maybe I'm off here.Then the question is how long does it take a RB to translate to this type of thing?

That's the thing, some RBs are suited for the ZBS and some aren't. In 2007-2009, when DMC was largely considered a bust and Fargas was essentially the lead back, OAK ran a ZBS. When they switched to a PBS, the DMC we all know and love tore up the league. Hmph..I still say you can't sit him, because all it takes is one play for him to explode, but I'm more so intrigued about the system than I was before and how he will adapt. This is literally all on DMC to learn how to hit the holes and decipher them properly.

Vision is such an underrated aspect to running that no one ever really talks about.

Oh and DMC pretty much said he doesn't give a #### about fantasy football.

Bobby Wylie was on radio yesterday discussing this. He is a retired long-time O-line coach and he worked with DMAC and Bush in Oakland and his comments, while giving a lot more detail, basically echo what was said in that linked report. In essence, he says the problem with DMAC is he is so quick/fast, that he doesn't allow the time for the ZBS to do what it should do (he also mentioned, like the article, his failure to cut back).

So, he says what defenses will just keep doing is spread the line out and allow DMAC to just keep running sideline to sideline for a yard or three here and there. He did specifically mention that DMAC is talented enough to still somehow be able to bust one here and there for the long play but that, overall, teams will be thrilled to just keep spreading it out as they have the first two games.

2 pages of b@!#CHING and moaning and the only relevant info is this. Bob Wylie did an excellent job as a line coach before being let go by the new regime who quickly decided to switch to the ZBS. Now there's nothing wrong with the ZBS system. It works in other places and it can work in Oakland. But the incumbent linemen are not built from the ZBS system, but power blocking scheme that McFadden prefers. Greg Knapp is the one making this huge mistake. Best explained by the following excerpt from the Raider Nation Times

Another major difference from last year is scheme. Saunders/Jackson employed a power blocking scheme. Man on man, best man wins, good, old-fashioned Raider football. The back knows where the hole is, he takes a single step and explodes up field as quickly as possible into the predetermined gap. Simple enough.

Knapp is attempting to run the now infamous Zone Blocking Scheme, (ZBS) in which the entire offensive line runs right or left to a spot on the field and blocks any player that attempts to enter his space or cross his face. The back is required to run laterally at a more controlled, (slower) pace, read the blocks and look for a cutback lane to run through.

The power scheme requires big, strong linemen and quick nimble running backs to be effective. The zone scheme requires fleet-of-foot linemen and a more powerful back with patience. The Raiders are clearly built for power at these positions.

Why can't Knapp apply the same thinking to the offense? Why is he forcing a bunch of power guys into a ZBS system?

Jared Veldheer, Khalif Barnes and Stefen Wisniewski are great run blockers that come from power systems. Cooper Carlisle was in a zone scheme in Denver early in his career, but couldn't get the job done so he was cut; he then flourished in the power scheme with Oakland. At present, Mike Brisiel is the only player on the Raiders offensive line who has ever played in a zone scheme with any success.

Now I just wanted to add that DMAC dropped a ball that should have been a TD this last game and the statline would not be sending people off the deep end. Also he was poked in the eye just in time for his backup Goodsen to tear off a long catch and run TD. People who only read the statsheet aren't clear about McFadden's struggles. It's not as bad as it looks, but with an incompetent offensive coordinator running an inept scheme, it's not a rosy picture either. Still, pound for pound McFadden is the best RB in football when discussing all around talent and when healthy, which he is. You HAVE TO START him TILL THE WHEELS FALL OFF. Benching McFadden is a fools play.

 

[Clifford]

They just gave the ZBS the dreaded vote of confidence, so if it doesn't work this week they'll probably scrap it. McFadden is a great buy-low right now.

 

[Fantasy Bum]

I am 50/50 on Andre Brown and McFadden right now..

 

[aburt19]

Assuming that Matt Forte is actually out, I'm starting Michael Bush over McFadden.

 

[therush]

Raiders opened at +5 and are now all the way down to +3.5, a good sign for the Raider Nation.

 

[flooredyas]

Raiders opened at +5 and are now all the way down to +3.5, a good sign for the Raider Nation.

This probably has something to do with Pittsburgh being rated defense #29.There is no way I would bench him, baring injury.

 

[ldizzle]

unless you have someone that could be a top 5 option i dont get it. did any of you watch the last game? if he wouldnt have dropped the pass from palmer that was an easy td, we would have a thread like "McFadden is such a beast"

 

[EBF]

Chicken legs was one of the most overrated players in FF this year.

 

[solorca]

unless you have someone that could be a top 5 option i dont get it. did any of you watch the last game? if he wouldnt have dropped the pass from palmer that was an easy td, we would have a thread like "McFadden is such a beast"

I don't think that would be the case. Even with the touchdown, he would have only had 12-13 points in a PPR league, which is about average for a RB2/3 level player.With that said, I think better days are ahead for him, and I still have confidence in his ability.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Chicken legs was one of the most overrated players in FF this year.

 

[EBF]

Chicken legs was one of the most overrated players in FF this year.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I am 50/50 on Andre Brown and McFadden right now..

Hope he pulled the trigger. Might be tough for dmac to top that one.

 

[otb_lifer]

Raiders opened at +5 and are now all the way down to +3.5, a good sign for the Raider Nation.

... on confirmation of Polamalu/Harrison out again Steeler money usually moves lines pretty consistently ... shying away this week thus far Raiders at +5 looked decent; but won't touch 'em here.As far as DMac, I look for him to be force fed early and often. Upshot is that he is a true 3 down back, who can flourish regardless of scroe/down/distance. BIG workload in store

 

[Dought Man]

Andre Brown starting in his place for me this week. Non ppr

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta. Be ahead of the curve in fantasy football...or get beached.

 

[texasheat]

In my limited fantasy experience. When you start sitting your studs, they'll make you look dumb for doing it.

 

[need2know]

went against the andre brown owner. :( heres hoping dmac can do something similar....

 

[Grahamburn]

Andre Brown starting in his place for me this week. Non ppr

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta. Be ahead of the curve in fantasy football...or get beached.

Has McFadden played yet?

 

[need2know]

Andre Brown starting in his place for me this week. Non ppr

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta. Be ahead of the curve in fantasy football...or get beached.

Has McFadden played yet?

dought man has been hating on McFadden for a while now...hope dmac can do something this week just to prove this dude wrong

 

[DocHolliday]

Own DMC, SJax, and T Richardson. Considered benching DMC but instead benching SJax since he is not 100%.

This is the make or break week for DMC.

 

[need2know]

Own DMC, SJax, and T Richardson. Considered benching DMC but instead benching SJax since he is not 100%. This is the make or break week for DMC.

agree, if this is not the best game out of the three we are in some trouble. he better get more than 50 yards rushing too.Got Mike Bush starting to go with one of SJAX or DMC. played with starting SJAX over dmc, but I cant play play a hurt sjax over dmc. how can you sit a player like dmc that has such upside for a hurt rb on the road?

 

[Dought Man]

Andre Brown starting in his place for me this week. Non ppr

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta. Be ahead of the curve in fantasy football...or get beached.

Has McFadden played yet?

Dmc will need 3 games to match those stats

 

[DocHolliday]

Own DMC, SJax, and T Richardson. Considered benching DMC but instead benching SJax since he is not 100%. This is the make or break week for DMC.

agree, if this is not the best game out of the three we are in some trouble. he better get more than 50 yards rushing too.Got Mike Bush starting to go with one of SJAX or DMC. played with starting SJAX over dmc, but I cant play play a hurt sjax over dmc. how can you sit a player like dmc that has such upside for a hurt rb on the road?

Still, I have this funny feeling that DMC should be the one left on the bench this week. To put this in more general terms since we are not in the AC, folks are already starting to bench DMC if they have decent options. The Steelers do not have their typical solid D but the Raider Oline worries me more. They have simply not opened up running lanes. The one thing that gives DMC owners a reason to continue starting DMC is that he is normally heavily involved in the passing game. I can live with 50 yards rushing from DMC as long as he also has at least 6 catches for a fair amount of yards and a TD. That is not too much to expect from an every down RB that should be the focus of his O.

 

[codyj123_321]

Andre Brown starting in his place for me this week. Non ppr

good call.

 

[Fire the Fat Man]

In my dynasty league I have Mcfadden, Murray, Martin and Sproles so I am doing it.

 

[Clifford]

I could sit him for Morris or McGahee, who are both outperforming him, but not gonna do it. With both Polamalu and Harrison out, I think he finds some room to run. Maybe the coach ditches ZBS this week. Who knows, it's not like the GM or owners or fans care what kind of blocking scheme he runs. He could snap his fingers and they'd be back to the power blocking scheme that works.

Honestly I have no idea why they went with ZBS in the first place. Sounds like a terrible decision.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Raiders opened at +5 and are now all the way down to +3.5, a good sign for the Raider Nation.

... on confirmation of Polamalu/Harrison out again Steeler money usually moves lines pretty consistently ... shying away this week thus far Raiders at +5 looked decent; but won't touch 'em here.As far as DMac, I look for him to be force fed early and often. Upshot is that he is a true 3 down back, who can flourish regardless of scroe/down/distance. BIG workload in store

Harrison has yet to play this year and wasn't Troy out last week? They still have a killer defense. Right now I have him on my bench with Ridley in...I hate sitting a stud but these are bad bad rushing totals and I'm not in ppr.

 

[need2know]

I look forward to bumping this Sunday

 

[Team Smokin']

Unless I was stacked beyond belief at the position I wouldn't even consider it.

i normally agree, but for me it's a league without PPR and my other option would be Doug Martin @DAL...

Same dilemma McFadden or Martin? Cheatsheets point to Martin. Hot hand points to Martin. Matchup points to Martin.Sooooooooo... I'll probably go against the grain and stick with McFadden even with his slow start, doesn't like FF, new O scheme / line, and poor scoring O, plus teams getting up on The RAAAAAIDERS. He's still a stud!

 

[Shawn]

Unless I was stacked beyond belief at the position I wouldn't even consider it.

You should only bench McfFadden for Forte this week

 

[Shawn]

I'm thinking of benching him. Have to start two RBs and I've also got Green-Ellis and Matthews (along with Donald Brown, Shaun Draughn, and Daryl Richardson FWIW...)

If you start Green Ellis or Mathews his first week back over McFadden you should look for a new hobby

 

[eoMMan]

Andre Brown starting in his place for me this week. Non ppr

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta. Be ahead of the curve in fantasy football...or get beached.

Has McFadden played yet?

dought man has been hating on McFadden for a while now...hope dmac can do something this week just to prove this dude wrong

Do you really think mcfadden is going to outscore andre brown this week? Really?The guy made a grest call with brown over mcfadden. Don't hate.

 

[matuski]

Andre Brown starting in his place for me this week. Non ppr

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta. Be ahead of the curve in fantasy football...or get beached.

Has McFadden played yet?

dought man has been hating on McFadden for a while now...hope dmac can do something this week just to prove this dude wrong

Do you really think mcfadden is going to outscore andre brown this week? Really?The guy made a grest call with brown over mcfadden. Don't hate.

Brown had a good week, but lets not get ahead of ourselves here. Obviously dought isn't going to suffer for it.... but McFadden is more tthan capable of bettering it.

 

[eoMMan]

Andre Brown starting in his place for me this week. Non ppr

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta. Be ahead of the curve in fantasy football...or get beached.

Has McFadden played yet?

dought man has been hating on McFadden for a while now...hope dmac can do something this week just to prove this dude wrong

Do you really think mcfadden is going to outscore andre brown this week? Really?The guy made a grest call with brown over mcfadden. Don't hate.

Brown had a good week, but lets not get ahead of ourselves here. Obviously dought isn't going to suffer for it.... but McFadden is more tthan capable of bettering it.

Capable, yes, but there's nothing to suggest that mcfadden in that offense will explode for over 100 yards and 2 TDs.If you have better options, you should bench mcfadden. Don't be married to a player just because you spent a high draft pick on him. I think this is extremely important and helpful fantasy advice that too many people, including "experts", ignore.