Bengals trade for Rogers nixed by NFL for cap reasons (1 Viewer)

[thatguythere]

Now the latest rumor is Rogers to Cleveland for a 3rd and Leigh Bodden.....no link yet.

Rotoworld is reporting that as well. if that is true I am pissed off as a browns fan. Giving up Bodden and a third round pick is way too much. Bodden is a solid young corner....trading him would be a huge mistake.I cannot believe Phil Savage would do this.

It's being reported in quite a few places now....good luck with Rogers, he's either real good or non existent (sucking wind on the sidelines). Tons of talent, maybe he just didn't want to play in Detroit.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Is this all legal? Didn't the Lions announce the deal as offical?

They didn't shake on it and Millen had his fingers crossed when he said it.

 

[chris1969]

Now the latest rumor is Rogers to Cleveland for a 3rd and Leigh Bodden.....no link yet.

Rotoworld is reporting that as well. if that is true I am pissed off as a browns fan. Giving up Bodden and a third round pick is way too much. Bodden is a solid young corner....trading him would be a huge mistake.I cannot believe Phil Savage would do this.

It's ok, we'll just trade another draft pick for a CB, we still got picks in next year's draft and the Eagles are shopping Shepard.

 

[MAC_32]

Now the latest rumor is Rogers to Cleveland for a 3rd and Leigh Bodden.....no link yet.

Rotoworld is reporting that as well. if that is true I am pissed off as a browns fan. Giving up Bodden and a third round pick is way too much. Bodden is a solid young corner....trading him would be a huge mistake.I cannot believe Phil Savage would do this.

I disagree. Bodden looked overmatched often last season as the #1, Eric Wright's the future stud corner, and Brandon McDonald showed glimpses of excellence in limited action. Sure it hurts our CB depth, but Rogers could be an outstanding end in a 3-4 if properly managed (read, # of plays limited). Our defense is much better with this signing. Now we just need Travis LaBoy to sign since we lost Calvin Pace to Miami.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Now the latest rumor is Rogers to Cleveland for a 3rd and Leigh Bodden.....no link yet.

Rotoworld is reporting that as well. if that is true I am pissed off as a browns fan. Giving up Bodden and a third round pick is way too much. Bodden is a solid young corner....trading him would be a huge mistake.I cannot believe Phil Savage would do this.

I disagree. Bodden looked overmatched often last season as the #1, Eric Wright's the future stud corner, and Brandon McDonald showed glimpses of excellence in limited action. Sure it hurts our CB depth, but Rogers could be an outstanding end in a 3-4 if properly managed (read, # of plays limited). Our defense is much better with this signing. Now we just need Travis LaBoy to sign since we lost Calvin Pace to Miami.

Pace may still be in play, according to the local Miami media, though they're reporting that his other scheduled visit is with the Jets.You like LaBoy as a 3-4 end? The Titans kept him in rotation since he had trouble holding up as an end there. I don't think he's a great fit.

 

[Max Power]

Now the latest rumor is Rogers to Cleveland for a 3rd and Leigh Bodden.....no link yet.

Rotoworld is reporting that as well. if that is true I am pissed off as a browns fan. Giving up Bodden and a third round pick is way too much. Bodden is a solid young corner....trading him would be a huge mistake.I cannot believe Phil Savage would do this.

I disagree. Bodden looked overmatched often last season as the #1, Eric Wright's the future stud corner, and Brandon McDonald showed glimpses of excellence in limited action. Sure it hurts our CB depth, but Rogers could be an outstanding end in a 3-4 if properly managed (read, # of plays limited). Our defense is much better with this signing. Now we just need Travis LaBoy to sign since we lost Calvin Pace to Miami.

I forgot the Browns run the 3-4. I wouldn't want Rogers anywhere but NT. He is powerful, But he is also slow and not extremely athletic. Heck, even those few extra steps out to the DE spot once the huddle break will take its toll on him.

 

[MAC_32]

Now the latest rumor is Rogers to Cleveland for a 3rd and Leigh Bodden.....no link yet.

Rotoworld is reporting that as well. if that is true I am pissed off as a browns fan. Giving up Bodden and a third round pick is way too much. Bodden is a solid young corner....trading him would be a huge mistake.I cannot believe Phil Savage would do this.

I disagree. Bodden looked overmatched often last season as the #1, Eric Wright's the future stud corner, and Brandon McDonald showed glimpses of excellence in limited action. Sure it hurts our CB depth, but Rogers could be an outstanding end in a 3-4 if properly managed (read, # of plays limited). Our defense is much better with this signing. Now we just need Travis LaBoy to sign since we lost Calvin Pace to Miami.

Pace may still be in play, according to the local Miami media, though they're reporting that his other scheduled visit is with the Jets.You like LaBoy as a 3-4 end? The Titans kept him in rotation since he had trouble holding up as an end there. I don't think he's a great fit.

Not as an end, as an OLB opposite Wimbley. He was in for a visit earlier today, haven't heard anything else since. Savage said his goal for free agency was to add three starters in the defensive front 7. If this Rogers signing is legit that's two down one to go.

 

[AtomicDogg97]

I disagree. Bodden looked overmatched often last season as the #1, Eric Wright's the future stud corner, and Brandon McDonald showed glimpses of excellence in limited action. Sure it hurts our CB depth, but Rogers could be an outstanding end in a 3-4 if properly managed (read, # of plays limited). Our defense is much better with this signing. Now we just need Travis LaBoy to sign since we lost Calvin Pace to Miami.

You want two second year players starting at WR? I say no way.Most of the Browns fans on Browns message boards are furious about this trade.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Ugh!!!

I'm trying to figure out what the heck the salary cap issue would be - what is Detroit's cap at? (The Bengals are like $20-$30 million under)

I have to say, it would be pretty clear that bengals.com is truly done independently of the team by Geoff Hobson

-QG

 

[MAC_32]

Now the latest rumor is Rogers to Cleveland for a 3rd and Leigh Bodden.....no link yet.

Rotoworld is reporting that as well. if that is true I am pissed off as a browns fan. Giving up Bodden and a third round pick is way too much. Bodden is a solid young corner....trading him would be a huge mistake.I cannot believe Phil Savage would do this.

I disagree. Bodden looked overmatched often last season as the #1, Eric Wright's the future stud corner, and Brandon McDonald showed glimpses of excellence in limited action. Sure it hurts our CB depth, but Rogers could be an outstanding end in a 3-4 if properly managed (read, # of plays limited). Our defense is much better with this signing. Now we just need Travis LaBoy to sign since we lost Calvin Pace to Miami.

I forgot the Browns run the 3-4. I wouldn't want Rogers anywhere but NT. He is powerful, But he is also slow and not extremely athletic. Heck, even those few extra steps out to the DE spot once the huddle break will take its toll on him.

I think he could do both. I think Shaun Smith is a better nose than end, I think Rogers could excel at both positions. The Browns will have options as to what to do, but I think a primary line of Corey Williams-Shaun Smith-Shaun Rogers would be best.

 

[MAC_32]

I disagree. Bodden looked overmatched often last season as the #1, Eric Wright's the future stud corner, and Brandon McDonald showed glimpses of excellence in limited action. Sure it hurts our CB depth, but Rogers could be an outstanding end in a 3-4 if properly managed (read, # of plays limited). Our defense is much better with this signing. Now we just need Travis LaBoy to sign since we lost Calvin Pace to Miami.

You want two second year players starting at WR? I say no way.Most of the Browns fans on Browns message boards are furious about this trade.

I don't visit homer message boards, for every quality poster there's ten piles of garbage. I would rather have Rogers+Wright+McDonald than Bodden+Wright+(insert mediocre DE here), yes.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Now the latest rumor is Rogers to Cleveland for a 3rd and Leigh Bodden.....no link yet.

Rotoworld is reporting that as well. if that is true I am pissed off as a browns fan. Giving up Bodden and a third round pick is way too much. Bodden is a solid young corner....trading him would be a huge mistake.I cannot believe Phil Savage would do this.

I disagree. Bodden looked overmatched often last season as the #1, Eric Wright's the future stud corner, and Brandon McDonald showed glimpses of excellence in limited action. Sure it hurts our CB depth, but Rogers could be an outstanding end in a 3-4 if properly managed (read, # of plays limited). Our defense is much better with this signing. Now we just need Travis LaBoy to sign since we lost Calvin Pace to Miami.

Pace may still be in play, according to the local Miami media, though they're reporting that his other scheduled visit is with the Jets.You like LaBoy as a 3-4 end? The Titans kept him in rotation since he had trouble holding up as an end there. I don't think he's a great fit.

Not as an end, as an OLB opposite Wimbley. He was in for a visit earlier today, haven't heard anything else since. Savage said his goal for free agency was to add three starters in the defensive front 7. If this Rogers signing is legit that's two down one to go.

I don't think I'd like him much in coverage. I suppose he might work as a situational guy though. With both Williams and Rogers (potentially) already in the fold, maybe Crennel is planning a much more flexible, multiple front look -- closer to what he and Belichick put together once upon a time.

 

[MAC_32]

Now the latest rumor is Rogers to Cleveland for a 3rd and Leigh Bodden.....no link yet.

Rotoworld is reporting that as well. if that is true I am pissed off as a browns fan. Giving up Bodden and a third round pick is way too much. Bodden is a solid young corner....trading him would be a huge mistake.I cannot believe Phil Savage would do this.

I disagree. Bodden looked overmatched often last season as the #1, Eric Wright's the future stud corner, and Brandon McDonald showed glimpses of excellence in limited action. Sure it hurts our CB depth, but Rogers could be an outstanding end in a 3-4 if properly managed (read, # of plays limited). Our defense is much better with this signing. Now we just need Travis LaBoy to sign since we lost Calvin Pace to Miami.

Pace may still be in play, according to the local Miami media, though they're reporting that his other scheduled visit is with the Jets.You like LaBoy as a 3-4 end? The Titans kept him in rotation since he had trouble holding up as an end there. I don't think he's a great fit.

Not as an end, as an OLB opposite Wimbley. He was in for a visit earlier today, haven't heard anything else since. Savage said his goal for free agency was to add three starters in the defensive front 7. If this Rogers signing is legit that's two down one to go.

I don't think I'd like him much in coverage. I suppose he might work as a situational guy though. With both Williams and Rogers (potentially) already in the fold, maybe Crennel is planning a much more flexible, multiple front look -- closer to what he and Belichick put together once upon a time.

That's what I figured he'd be. What we need is another pass rusher opposite Wimbley. Antwan Peek was a nice bandaid but that's it.

 

[Max Power]

Now the latest rumor is Rogers to Cleveland for a 3rd and Leigh Bodden.....no link yet.

Rotoworld is reporting that as well. if that is true I am pissed off as a browns fan. Giving up Bodden and a third round pick is way too much. Bodden is a solid young corner....trading him would be a huge mistake.I cannot believe Phil Savage would do this.

I disagree. Bodden looked overmatched often last season as the #1, Eric Wright's the future stud corner, and Brandon McDonald showed glimpses of excellence in limited action. Sure it hurts our CB depth, but Rogers could be an outstanding end in a 3-4 if properly managed (read, # of plays limited). Our defense is much better with this signing. Now we just need Travis LaBoy to sign since we lost Calvin Pace to Miami.

I forgot the Browns run the 3-4. I wouldn't want Rogers anywhere but NT. He is powerful, But he is also slow and not extremely athletic. Heck, even those few extra steps out to the DE spot once the huddle break will take its toll on him.

I think he could do both. I think Shaun Smith is a better nose than end, I think Rogers could excel at both positions. The Browns will have options as to what to do, but I think a primary line of Corey Williams-Shaun Smith-Shaun Rogers would be best.

I really think you are giving Rogers too much credit.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Now the latest rumor is Rogers to Cleveland for a 3rd and Leigh Bodden.....no link yet.

Rotoworld is reporting that as well. if that is true I am pissed off as a browns fan. Giving up Bodden and a third round pick is way too much. Bodden is a solid young corner....trading him would be a huge mistake.I cannot believe Phil Savage would do this.

I disagree. Bodden looked overmatched often last season as the #1, Eric Wright's the future stud corner, and Brandon McDonald showed glimpses of excellence in limited action. Sure it hurts our CB depth, but Rogers could be an outstanding end in a 3-4 if properly managed (read, # of plays limited). Our defense is much better with this signing. Now we just need Travis LaBoy to sign since we lost Calvin Pace to Miami.

Pace may still be in play, according to the local Miami media, though they're reporting that his other scheduled visit is with the Jets.You like LaBoy as a 3-4 end? The Titans kept him in rotation since he had trouble holding up as an end there. I don't think he's a great fit.

Not as an end, as an OLB opposite Wimbley. He was in for a visit earlier today, haven't heard anything else since. Savage said his goal for free agency was to add three starters in the defensive front 7. If this Rogers signing is legit that's two down one to go.

I don't think I'd like him much in coverage. I suppose he might work as a situational guy though. With both Williams and Rogers (potentially) already in the fold, maybe Crennel is planning a much more flexible, multiple front look -- closer to what he and Belichick put together once upon a time.

That's what I figured he'd be. What we need is another pass rusher opposite Wimbley. Antwan Peek was a nice bandaid but that's it.

Peek really looked good in the preseason last year. So did Wimbley. What a disappointment. I thought the Cleveland defense was shaping up nicely. Peek, Wimbley, Bodden, Pool -- all under-performed to some extent. Plenty of potential there still.

 

[MAC_32]

Now the latest rumor is Rogers to Cleveland for a 3rd and Leigh Bodden.....no link yet.

Rotoworld is reporting that as well. if that is true I am pissed off as a browns fan. Giving up Bodden and a third round pick is way too much. Bodden is a solid young corner....trading him would be a huge mistake.I cannot believe Phil Savage would do this.

I disagree. Bodden looked overmatched often last season as the #1, Eric Wright's the future stud corner, and Brandon McDonald showed glimpses of excellence in limited action. Sure it hurts our CB depth, but Rogers could be an outstanding end in a 3-4 if properly managed (read, # of plays limited). Our defense is much better with this signing. Now we just need Travis LaBoy to sign since we lost Calvin Pace to Miami.

I forgot the Browns run the 3-4. I wouldn't want Rogers anywhere but NT. He is powerful, But he is also slow and not extremely athletic. Heck, even those few extra steps out to the DE spot once the huddle break will take its toll on him.

I think he could do both. I think Shaun Smith is a better nose than end, I think Rogers could excel at both positions. The Browns will have options as to what to do, but I think a primary line of Corey Williams-Shaun Smith-Shaun Rogers would be best.

I really think you are giving Rogers too much credit.

You're entitled to that opinion. I think he is just the disruptive force we need to occupy blockers to allow our LB's to make plays and make plays on his own occasionally. He wasn't properly managed in Detroit, that's all.

 

[Domination]

How and why would they let Rodgers get away? Worse than that is go do a division rival in the Browns.

 

[AtomicDogg97]

Well Browns fans....we now have no draft picks and we just lost our best cornerback. Was it really worth all that to get Corey Williams and Shaun Rogers?

 

[MAC_32]

Well Browns fans....we now have no draft picks and we just lost our best cornerback. Was it really worth all that to get Corey Williams and Shaun Rogers?

Yes. Except we didn't lose our best CB, Eric Wright's still on the team.

 

[pinda]

not a browns fan, but yes it is, your offense was fine last year, your defense was extremely suspect, this can only help, there's some decent corners available on the market, and that system never needed stud corners, just solid effective ones.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Enquirer.com

The NFL nixed the trade today of Lions defensive tackle Shaun Rogers to the Bengals for two draft picks because it ran afoul of league salary-cap rules, but the Bengals’ attempt to land a dominant inside player showed that they were attempting to move their defense in a new direction.

Only 32 sets of front office jobs in the league and these two groups of buffoons can't figure this out. Proud to be a Bengal fan, I am.

 

[doowain]

Finally land an impact player in the offseason via free agency....and then he is swiped away. On top of that, he is going to be a Brown. Sad day....very sad day to be a Bengal fan.

 

[Max Power]

All this sounds fishy to me...

 

[QuizGuy66]

Goodell will probably suspend Thurman another 2 years just for the heck of it too.

The details of the whys better come out of this one.

I'm starting to think the league has it more in for us than even Peter King.

-QG

 

[rgabbard]

Well Browns fans....we now have no draft picks and we just lost our best cornerback. Was it really worth all that to get Corey Williams and Shaun Rogers?

If it provides us with any resemblance of a pass rush and/or a decent run stop defense than I'm ok with it. The best CB in the world is useless if the QB gets 10 seconds to sit in the pocket before having to make a decision on where to throw the ball.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Now the latest rumor is Rogers to Cleveland for a 3rd and Leigh Bodden.....no link yet.

Rotoworld is reporting that as well. if that is true I am pissed off as a browns fan. Giving up Bodden and a third round pick is way too much. Bodden is a solid young corner....trading him would be a huge mistake.I cannot believe Phil Savage would do this.

I disagree. Bodden looked overmatched often last season as the #1, Eric Wright's the future stud corner, and Brandon McDonald showed glimpses of excellence in limited action. Sure it hurts our CB depth, but Rogers could be an outstanding end in a 3-4 if properly managed (read, # of plays limited). Our defense is much better with this signing. Now we just need Travis LaBoy to sign since we lost Calvin Pace to Miami.

I forgot the Browns run the 3-4. I wouldn't want Rogers anywhere but NT. He is powerful, But he is also slow and not extremely athletic. Heck, even those few extra steps out to the DE spot once the huddle break will take its toll on him.

Rogers is very quick and athletic for a man his size. Thing that always impressed me in his best days in Detroit was how he would use his speed to get involved in plays 4-5 yards beyond the line of scrimmage.However, I agree that I don't see him as a 3-4 end. The Browns probably figure that as a 3-4 NT, even if he doesn't keep the weight off he can still be pretty effective.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Getting a starting cornerback instead of a 5th-round pick makes this deal look much better for the Lions. With the additions of Bodden and Dwight Smith, they may be able to field something resembling a real NFL secondary this year.

 

[whoknew]

You're entitled to that opinion. I think he is just the disruptive force we need to occupy blockers to allow our LB's to make plays and make plays on his own occasionally. He wasn't properly managed in Detroit, that's all.

How do you think he was mismanaged? Their HC is Rod Marinelli.

 

[knowledge dropper]

Finally land an impact player in the offseason via free agency....and then he is swiped away. On top of that, he is going to be a Brown. Sad day....very sad day to be a Bengal fan.

Dry your eyes my good man. Bodden has been a thorn in the Bengals side the past several meetings and now he is gone for a fat guy with an attitude problem. Just think of all the open green spaces in the Browns secondary for Carson to exploit.

 

[Kirby]

Finally land an impact player in the offseason via free agency....and then he is swiped away. On top of that, he is going to be a Brown. Sad day....very sad day to be a Bengal fan.

Dry your eyes my good man. Bodden has been a thorn in the Bengals side the past several meetings and now he is gone for a fat guy with an attitude problem. Just think of all the open green spaces in the Browns secondary for Carson to exploit.

Yea... I can't believe they gave them Bodden. 85 is always giving props to Bodden so he must be good.

 

[Irish]

You're entitled to that opinion. I think he is just the disruptive force we need to occupy blockers to allow our LB's to make plays and make plays on his own occasionally. He wasn't properly managed in Detroit, that's all.

How do you think he was mismanaged? Their HC is Rod Marinelli.

He must be refering to the oxygen system on the sidelines. That is where Rogers spent most of his time.

 

[notdarkyet]

Only the Bengals can consistently screw with their fanbase like this. Unreal.

 

[RUN HARD]

Finally land an impact player in the offseason via free agency....and then he is swiped away. On top of that, he is going to be a Brown. Sad day....very sad day to be a Bengal fan.

Dry your eyes my good man. Bodden has been a thorn in the Bengals side the past several meetings and now he is gone for a fat guy with an attitude problem. Just think of all the open green spaces in the Browns secondary for Carson to exploit.

I don't remember Bodden and the Browns secondary slowing down that Cincinnati offense except for WEEK 15 in 2008 when the weather was awful and Cincy just needed to wait for DA to implode.2008 WK 2 Palmer --> 33 for 50 6 TD's Over 400 yards I don't have the game logs from 2007...but I remember plenty of times Cincy scoring 40+ the past few years on Cleveland.did Bodden and the Browns really ever even slowed down Cincy???

 

[mr blond]

Finally land an impact player in the offseason via free agency....and then he is swiped away. On top of that, he is going to be a Brown. Sad day....very sad day to be a Bengal fan.

Dry your eyes my good man. Bodden has been a thorn in the Bengals side the past several meetings and now he is gone for a fat guy with an attitude problem. Just think of all the open green spaces in the Browns secondary for Carson to exploit.

I don't remember Bodden and the Browns secondary slowing down that Cincinnati offense except for WEEK 15 in 2008 when the weather was awful and Cincy just needed to wait for DA to implode.2008 WK 2 Palmer --> 33 for 50 6 TD's Over 400 yards I don't have the game logs from 2007...but I remember plenty of times Cincy scoring 40+ the past few years on Cleveland.did Bodden and the Browns really ever even slowed down Cincy???

I don't have the game logs either, but I do recall Bodden having some solid individual performances angainst the Bengals. My thoughts on Bodden are that he's a decent CB that has a nose for the ball and the big play. On the other side, his style of play leaves him prone to being burned and he gets injured often. His loss will hurt the Browns secondary, but by reallocating defensive resources to the D-line, Savage has improved the overall defensive unit IMO.

 

[knowledge dropper]

Leigh Bodden has 5 interceptions in his last 6 games versus Carson Palmer and 3 last season. I think it is pretty safe to say he has been a thorn in the side. The overall Browns defense blows, but the guy was money against Palmer and Ocho Stinko. I say good riddance....

 

[RUN HARD]

OK...so maybe Bodden kept Cincy from getting 60 pts. Obviously they needed to make moves...giving up 40 doesn't work.

I rather see what happens with Rogers....holding Cincinnati to 40+ with Bodden is not good enough.

 

[chris1969]

Height: 6-4 Weight: 340

Born: Mar 12, 1979

Draft: 2001 - 2nd round (30th pick) by the Detroit Lions

254 Tackles

101 Assists

355 total

29 sacks (7 last year)

1 INT

4 FF

Love this footage- looks like he actually outruns a couple of lineman here

Rodgers will definitely be a NT! He is our replacement for Washington and Williams is our replacement for Roye.

Also he blocks a boatload of passes and blocked 11 kicks. (more than anyone since 1981) so the people that say he's not athletic may want to think about that. I think our starting D-line will be

LDE- Robaire Smith

NT- Shaun Rogers

RDE- Corey Williams

NT/DE- Shaun Smith (will probably get PT than any of the other guys and will play all 3 positions)

Robaire Smith 328 lbs, Shaun Rogers 340 lbs, Corey Williams 313 lbs, Shaun Smith 325 lbs = 1306 lbs of DL that we are gonna be rotating in and out in a division where teams are rebuilding their o-lines.

These guys are gonna make the LB's and DB's look a lot better in comparison to last year.

If anybody thinks the Browns could have gotten anywhere close to this line with our late second and third round choices in the draft they are mistaken.

I love the moves made so far!

 

[BoltBacker]

A 3rd and a 5th, with Millen drafting, is like a 5th and 7th with anyone else drafting.And they didn't get Vilma either.MARK THIS DOWN:The 2008 Detroit Lions will have the worst defense in NFL HISTORY.

C'mon, we'll trade both picks, our 2nd rounder and the 15th pick to move up 8 slots to get the guy we could get at 15.. and it will probably be a perimeter player to boot. We have to give Millen some credit, right?

Where are all the people that get indignant that mere football fans have no right criticizing someone in the NFL making decisions because they are getting a lot of $ for knowing a lot more than any of us? Oddly, they don't spend much time in DET/Millen threads.

I'm not a big Millen fan but he came out smelling like a rose in this one. Bodden may be a little over rated but DET was just desperate at CB. The third rounder is later but adding an opening day starting caliber CB for the 5th is a big bump in value. Nice move by Millen imo.BTW nice moves by Bob Henry on the FBG staff. Those depth charts have to be the most up to date depth charts on the web! Not easy to keep up to date at this time of year. Now if we could just talk him into adding the OL to the mix.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Here is what you will get with Rogers:

His weight issues, bad knee, and lack of motivation prevent him from getting in the kind of shape needed to play at an elite level game in and game out. Talent wise, and athletic ability wise, there is no better interior lineman in the league. But he is too fat and lazy to perform at that high level every week. He is also not the greatest guy in the locker room.

Rogers is an elite nose tackle...in half of the games. The other half, he disappears.

I don't have any doubt this move was a Marinelli move. He wanted him gone.

I love getting a solid CB and a 3rd for a player who was not going to be here. Bodden is a big physical corner who is a great tackler, and he fits well in the cover-2 defense. We badly need competent corners.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'm reading some comments on some other message boards that the trade wasn't nixed because of salary cap reasons. The Bengals simply were dragging their feet turning in the trade paperwork and the Browns quickly made a better offer to the Lions. So the Lions pulled the trade with the Bengals and got it done with the Browns.

If that's the case, the Bengals really should just fold the tents on their entire ownership and management structure. If they lost Shaun Rogers because they couldn't get the paperwork in quickly, they should all be run out of town.

Also, if that's what happened, mad props to the Browns for reading about the trade and getting to the Lions with a better offer quickly enough to snake a player like Rogers away from a division rival.

 

[QuizGuy66]

The silver lining to this mess is that this is one less guy on the team to get Henry, Frostee, and Odell back in trouble again.

-QG

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Here is what you will get with Rogers:His weight issues, bad knee, and lack of motivation prevent him from getting in the kind of shape needed to play at an elite level game in and game out. Talent wise, and athletic ability wise, there is no better interior lineman in the league. But he is too fat and lazy to perform at that high level every week. He is also not the greatest guy in the locker room.Rogers is an elite nose tackle...in half of the games. The other half, he disappears. I don't have any doubt this move was a Marinelli move. He wanted him gone.I love getting a solid CB and a 3rd for a player who was not going to be here. Bodden is a big physical corner who is a great tackler, and he fits well in the cover-2 defense. We badly need competent corners.

Right on, the only thing I can add is that winning can do strange things to some people. The Browns are at least in the mix for competing for a division title and are right there for the Wild Card.Sometimes when you're on a crappy team, over and over it wears on you, like the Lions. Sure, you're a professional but you're also a human being. Losing over and over and over does take a toll, which is one of the reasons Barry Sanders left. He just couldn't take it anymore.Not sure how he'll fit in Cleveland but it could be good and as far as Detroit goes, pretty good trade for them. They are desperate for corner help and the additional 3rd could be valuable.

 

[Da Guru]

Here is what you will get with Rogers:His weight issues, bad knee, and lack of motivation prevent him from getting in the kind of shape needed to play at an elite level game in and game out. Talent wise, and athletic ability wise, there is no better interior lineman in the league. But he is too fat and lazy to perform at that high level every week. He is also not the greatest guy in the locker room.Rogers is an elite nose tackle...in half of the games. The other half, he disappears. I don't have any doubt this move was a Marinelli move. He wanted him gone.I love getting a solid CB and a 3rd for a player who was not going to be here. Bodden is a big physical corner who is a great tackler, and he fits well in the cover-2 defense. We badly need competent corners.

Rogers can`t stay in the game in the drive lasts over 8 plays. Right now they said Big Baby is pushing 400 lbs, that is on weak knees. Plus he has stated a number of times how much he hates the cold. Wait until those November and December games in cleveland, Cinci and Pitt.

 

[hutchins929]

Basically the Lions play last year was a reflection of Rogers. When they started hot winning 6 of the first 8, Rogers was on fire, playing really well. However, the second half of the season they struggled mightily and it was for the most part because of the lack of conditioning with Rogers. Is it the Lions training staffs fault or Big Babys? If he gets motivated and gets in better shape he, IMO, will be a top 3 DT in the NFL. I just don't see it happening. The thing that surprises me the most is this actually was a pretty good trade by the Lions. They could have done a lot worse!!! But they didn't I don't know why??? I really though they wanted to be bad.

 

[Jene Bramel]

I'm reading some comments on some other message boards that the trade wasn't nixed because of salary cap reasons. The Bengals simply were dragging their feet turning in the trade paperwork and the Browns quickly made a better offer to the Lions. So the Lions pulled the trade with the Bengals and got it done with the Browns.If that's the case, the Bengals really should just fold the tents on their entire ownership and management structure. If they lost Shaun Rogers because they couldn't get the paperwork in quickly, they should all be run out of town.Also, if that's what happened, mad props to the Browns for reading about the trade and getting to the Lions with a better offer quickly enough to snake a player like Rogers away from a division rival.

This would make me sick but not surprise me.

 

[Moniker]

I'm reading some comments on some other message boards that the trade wasn't nixed because of salary cap reasons. The Bengals simply were dragging their feet turning in the trade paperwork and the Browns quickly made a better offer to the Lions. So the Lions pulled the trade with the Bengals and got it done with the Browns.If that's the case, the Bengals really should just fold the tents on their entire ownership and management structure. If they lost Shaun Rogers because they couldn't get the paperwork in quickly, they should all be run out of town.Also, if that's what happened, mad props to the Browns for reading about the trade and getting to the Lions with a better offer quickly enough to snake a player like Rogers away from a division rival.

This would make me sick but not surprise me.

Me neither, and it would also explain why the Browns gave up more in their trade than the Bengals were going to give up.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I'm reading some comments on some other message boards that the trade wasn't nixed because of salary cap reasons. The Bengals simply were dragging their feet turning in the trade paperwork and the Browns quickly made a better offer to the Lions. So the Lions pulled the trade with the Bengals and got it done with the Browns.

If that's the case, the Bengals really should just fold the tents on their entire ownership and management structure. If they lost Shaun Rogers because they couldn't get the paperwork in quickly, they should all be run out of town.

Also, if that's what happened, mad props to the Browns for reading about the trade and getting to the Lions with a better offer quickly enough to snake a player like Rogers away from a division rival.

This would make me sick but not surprise me.

According to a Bengal scribe Greg Aiello, the NFL Senior VP of Public Relations said."This is a club matter and we are not in a position to comment."

Hmnnn. The Bengals are backing up soo fast on this you can hear the beeping sound. Jack Brennan, the Bengals PR director said the Bengals never confirmed the trade. Supposedly talks got held up over Rodger's $1 million roster bonus.

Sounds like the Bengals were foot dragging over that roster bonus and the Browns pulled the rug out from under them.

http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/

 

[Bob Henry]

A 3rd and a 5th, with Millen drafting, is like a 5th and 7th with anyone else drafting.And they didn't get Vilma either.MARK THIS DOWN:The 2008 Detroit Lions will have the worst defense in NFL HISTORY.

C'mon, we'll trade both picks, our 2nd rounder and the 15th pick to move up 8 slots to get the guy we could get at 15.. and it will probably be a perimeter player to boot. We have to give Millen some credit, right?

Where are all the people that get indignant that mere football fans have no right criticizing someone in the NFL making decisions because they are getting a lot of $ for knowing a lot more than any of us? Oddly, they don't spend much time in DET/Millen threads.

I'm not a big Millen fan but he came out smelling like a rose in this one. Bodden may be a little over rated but DET was just desperate at CB. The third rounder is later but adding an opening day starting caliber CB for the 5th is a big bump in value. Nice move by Millen imo.BTW nice moves by Bob Henry on the FBG staff. Those depth charts have to be the most up to date depth charts on the web! Not easy to keep up to date at this time of year. Now if we could just talk him into adding the OL to the mix.

Thanks, but they're honestly in a state of flux right now. I still neet to filter out all of the free agents that are still showing up on their (2007) team. If you see some that I haven't nix'd yet, just shoot me an email or use link on the page to notify me and I'll get'r done quickly. There's so much movement right now it's hard to track it all. Plus, lot's of EFAs/RFAs to mark and guys that will never see the light of day on the regular season roster get stuffed on rosters around this time. Now, back to the thread topic, and as I stated in another thread, I like that the Lions stumbled into some blind luck here. To me, it boils down to Bodden for a 5th if you compare the two deals. That's a nice recovery and less guess work, so I'll take it all day. Bodden is no Pro Bowler, but he's at least shown he can start and be at least average if not better in the cover-2 system. Now, if the Lions can just address their pass rush and get a plugger at MLB, they'll be heading in the right direction.

 

[chris1969]

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...1/80301053/1049

 

[BoltBacker]

Thanks, but they're honestly in a state of flux right now. I still neet to filter out all of the free agents that are still showing up on their (2007) team. If you see some that I haven't nix'd yet, just shoot me an email or use link on the page to notify me and I'll get'r done quickly. There's so much movement right now it's hard to track it all. Plus, lot's of EFAs/RFAs to mark and guys that will never see the light of day on the regular season roster get stuffed on rosters around this time.

Very sly but I noticed you side stepped the OL question. Is it because FBG's doesn't have player pages for OL'men since they aren't fantasy producers? I think the FBG depth charts are pretty much the best ones out there I just have to go to other sites for OL.