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Maybe not. Consider what Det did to Sea though. Also consider the manor in which the wins came. Then finally, consider that all this team was missing last year was a QB, passing threat and serious O that could put up points to go along with its NFL best D and ST.
I'm not saying they're a bad team by any means. I'm not even saying they don't belong in anyones top-five list. But, for me personally, a teams gotta do more than beat the Lions and Packers for me to sit back and go "Oh yeah, these guys are the best team in the NFL right now."
1)Jacksonville2)Cincinatti3)Chicago4)Indianapolis5)San Diego
I think I see a slot for the Steelers somewhere around #15 that might be available. They got manhandled last night and exposed. Parker is not going to be able to carry the load for a playoff caliber team over 16 games.1) Bengals2) Ravens3) Colts4) Falcons5) ChargersKnocking on the door: Jaguars, Bears
Both those opponents are currently 0-2 also.
And both are two of the better run defenses in the NFL, no matter how you slice it, and no matter what their records are. Atlanta is running the ball well right now. Passing it has to be a concern, as it always is w/ Vick, but you have to give props where they are due.
They were manhandled by the Panthers for nearly the entire game. If it weren't for one of the most boneheaded plays in a loooooong time, they'd have lost that game to an undermanned Panthers team.And I'm a Vikes fan.
A win is a win.
If they beat the Bears this week with two hail mary's and a bad call they'll be three and oh against good competition. If you want me to take them off my list I'll put the Colts in there. I really don't like the Vikings anyway.
oopsProbability?In this day and age, the phrase Any Given Sunday applies. But I doubt the Steelers lose.
Yep ... oops is right. It was the kind of game I expected in the 1st half (although 0-0 was a bit unexpected). But man did JAX push us around in the 2nd half. I don't think we got pressure on Leftwhich unless we blitzed, and on the flipside it seemed like Big Ben had someone in his face every single snap in the 2nd half.I hope this was more "rusty" than anything. Next week will be our measuring stick.
He's had plenty worse in his face lately. He should have known how to handle it.Ba-dump-bump. Thank you. Here 'til Thursday, folks.
and JAX continues to not get mentioned.
Stupid Kicker missing 4 FG's.Saints need to put it to these guys next Monday night to gain some respectTB held the Falcons to 14 points ... hope the Saints can do the same.
I don't think there is any doubt that Jack is in that group.
(For a lot of reasons)
I agree - if the Bears beat Seattle I will give them major props.
I was not impressed with Chicago's win over Minnesota. Grossman showed some moxie leading that last touchdown drive, but that was after throwing a terrible interception to put the Vikes ahead. And the Vikings have now gone two games without an offensive touchdown. The Vikes are pretenders and Chicago has to feel lucky instead of good about that win.
When Jacksonville beats the Colts, get back to me. Jacksonville could very well not even make the playoffs. I see NE, Balt, Cin, Colts, SD, and Den in the playoffs. Jacksonville right now is just the best of the rest.
1. Indianapolis - Peyton Manning running bootlegs?
2. Seattle -
3. Cincinnati - Big win with CJ not even a factor.
4. Chicago - Now that took some guts.
5. Atlanta/San Diego - Pending tonight's results.
5a. Jacksonville - Tough loss to the best team hurts. They're still in the mix, though.
5b. Philadelphia - Too bad about the loss last weekend.
5c. Baltimore - A narrow win over Cleveland precludes top 5 consideration.
Could the Saints & Falcons be 5d and 5e?
Have you seen the Colts play defense yet? I watched their games and I haven't. Seatle ain't all that either. I put em:1. San Diego 2. Chicago 3. Baltimore 4. Cincy 5. Denver 6. Colts 7. Seatle 8. Philly 9. Jax.1. Indianapolis - Peyton Manning running bootlegs?2. Seattle -
What the hell was that? Atlanta played so poorly it makes me wonder if the fix was on1. Indianapolis - Peyton Manning running bootlegs?
2. Seattle -
3. Cincinnati - Big win with CJ not even a factor.
4. Chicago - Now that took some guts.
5. AtlantaSan Diego - Pending tonight's results.
5a. Jacksonville - Tough loss to the best team hurts. They're still in the mix, though.
5b. Philadelphia - Too bad about the loss last weekend.
5c. Baltimore - A narrow win over Cleveland precludes top 5 consideration.
.New Orleans HAD to win that game last night. But even though they played well, Atlanta rolled over easier than Paris Hilton.
I was wondering if someone was going to break out the Reynolds WrapWhat the hell was that? Atlanta played so poorly it makes me wonder if the fix was on
Personally, even as a Saints homer ... I was looking out for questionable referee calls that shafted the Falcons. Thought the league might kind of "want" the Saints to win. But Hochuli and crew called the game pretty tight and pretty accurately, IMHO.One last thing -- I just don't think the Panthers or Buccaneers (especially) are all that good. IMHO, despite preseason notions, the Browns and Packers are at least a tick better than either of Atlanta's first two opponents.
I am impressed by the Saints for many reasons:1) They finally have a coach that has a clue. Jim Haslett ruined that team and always seemed to me to be lost .2) Drew Brees is an upper tier quarterback. Did they give him a bionic arm in that surgery? His arm strength looks stronger now than it did before injury.3) Deuce seems to be bouncing back nicely.4) Bush creates opportunities for other guys. And he IS electric when he gets it himself.5) The defense is much better than anyone gave them credit for. Perhaps like the Vikings, it comes down to coaching?I was wondering if someone was going to break out the Reynolds WrapWhat the hell was that? Atlanta played so poorly it makes me wonder if the fix was on
While I agree that San Diego and Balimore are 2 of the better teams, listing them in top 3 might be a bit preature. Their 5 wins have comes against: Tampa, Oakland, Cleveland (Baltimore, combined 0-8); Oakland, Tenn (San Diego, combined 0-6). There are a lot of teams that could be undefeated and looking good against those schedules.Have you seen the Colts play defense yet? I watched their games and I haven't. Seatle ain't all that either. I put em:1. San Diego 2. Chicago 3. Baltimore 4. Cincy 5. Denver 6. Colts 7. Seatle 8. Philly 9. Jax.1. Indianapolis - Peyton Manning running bootlegs?
2. Seattle -
3. Cincinnati - Big win with CJ not even a factor.
4. Chicago - Now that took some guts.
5. Atlanta/San Diego - Pending tonight's results.
5a. Jacksonville - Tough loss to the best team hurts. They're still in the mix, though.
5b. Philadelphia - Too bad about the loss last weekend.
5c. Baltimore - A narrow win over Cleveland precludes top 5 consideration.
You don't after this week. You see, we've been updating this thread as the season goes along.Maybe after next week people will respect Seattle. Just because you don't get to see them play for the most part, and we are up in the far Northwest corner of the US doesn't mean you should not RESPECT. I see a lot of Steeler/Falcons listed .................
Might have to include that in the title of this thread ... or keep answering this question every week.
The whole "Based on the past weekend's events." thing doesn't suffice?
They do have something to prove, but I still see SD, Baltimore, and the Bears having the three dominant defenses in the league and that is something that they have already proven from last year. What puts them at the top is they are showing legitimate offenses that can score points. I suppose they do need to show they can score against better team. But the combination of a great defense and decent offense has been the ticket for many of super bowl teams, and those three teams have it.
No, because some people are reading the first page for the first time today ... they're thinking the first few posts are based on Week 3 info
I may be guilty of homerism, but the Seattle defense probably isn't that far behind. They have given up only one TD of any consequence through three games (a longish pass against Arizona in the 2nd qtr). I am sure some folks might want to downgrade them for giving up 20 points to the Giants in the 4th quarter on Sunday, but they were playing soft coverage and not blitzing since they had a huge lead.And the Seattle offense, even minus Alexander, is a lot more potent than the Bears' or Ravens' offenses. Probably better than SD's too, at least for as long as Marty keeps the shackles on Rivers.
How's that?No, because some people are reading the first page for the first time today ... they're thinking the first few posts are based on Week 3 info
I think we should include a date and time stamp with each of our posts.. that would help out a lot.How's that?No, because some people are reading the first page for the first time today ... they're thinking the first few posts are based on Week 3 info
Commonly ignored, however. I know I've opened up 6-month-old threads when someone's bumped them up ... and I was temporarily fooled into thinking they were current. Never happened to you?Anyhoo ... not a biggie. Maybe more people will catch on than I think.I think we should include a date and time stamp with each of our posts.. that would help out a lot.
I could be underrating Seatle's defense. We will see on that. Seatle's offense is strong. But I am confident the Bears, Ravens and Chargers will be top 5 teams this year.
The Vikings have played 3/4 of the Final 4 NFC teams from last year. They are 2-1....under Brad Johnson they finished last year something like 7-2 last year. I do not think they are pretenders at all. I fully expect to see them in the playoffs this year.
SD has beaten Tenn and Oakland. Baltimore has beaten Cleveland, TB, and Oakland. Jacksonville was 12-4 last year and have gone 2-1 with one of the toughest early schedules in the league. You're way off imo, and this is coming from a Ravens homer.
I hope to be pleasantly surprised by the Vikes. I do not expect to be. Even if they make the playoffs, it will be one and done. I see something more like 8-8 and just missing.
I live around Indy, so the most I get to see the Jacksonville play is against the Colts, which has been 3 of their last 5 regular season loses, so I probably discount them a bit much. They did outplay Indy the first half. Anyone who ranks Indy as #1 hasn't watched them play. Both the Giants and Jax ran all over the Colts. Colts clearly have the most feared offense in the NFL, but damn, their defense has holes.
