Best 5 NFL teams as of week 16. (1 Viewer)

[aposulli]

Power rankings based on if every team played every team once, what would their record be?

(... in other words... Chicago would be favored h2h against 30 of the 31 other NFL teams)

1. Chicago (30-1)

t2. Indianapolis (28-3)

t2. Philadelphia... with a healthy Westbrook (28-3)

4. Seattle... with a healthy Alexander (27-4)

5. San Diego (26-5)

preseason SB pick of Indy over Chicago is looking good

 

[pizzatyme]

Everyone can stop right now putting the Colts in the top 5! I'm a Colts homer and from what I saw yesterday at the game, no way they are top 5!

Paper champs are all they are!

Bears

Iggles

Pats

Bengals

Jags/Broncos tie

I love the Colts, but they are 1 and done again in the playoffs. Their next 6 games will prove me out.

 

[Despyzer]

Power rankings based on if every team played every team once, what would their record be?(... in other words... Chicago would be favored h2h against 30 of the 31 other NFL teams)1. Chicago (30-1) t2. Indianapolis (29-3)t2. Philadelphia... with a healthy Westbrook (29-3)4. Seattle... with a healthy Alexander (28-4)5. San Diego (28-4)preseason SB pick of Indy over Chicago is looking good

I guess I don't get it. If there's a team that Chicago would lose to HTH (as indicated by their 30-1 record) shouldn't THAT team be #1? And why do the Bears play 31 teams while everyone else plays 32? Are those other teams playing a team twice? Who are the three teams that Indy is losing to? Is Philly one of them?

 

[Hamstring]

The Bears will be forced to play themselves at some point. Hence the loss.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

1. Chicago - They can't run the table, can they?2. Philadelphia - McNabb is baaaack. And that's bad for everyone else.3. Baltimore - Big test tonight.4. San Diego - Come on. Admit it. You were impressed by Rivers.5. Denver - Good even with Plummer playing poorly.Just barely outside: Jacksonville, Indianapolis, New England, Atlanta, Seattle, CincinnatiWith that run defense, Indianapolis cannot possibly be considered a top 5 team. To only beat Tennessee by 1 point is inexcusable. They not win the Super Bowl this year either.

As of today this is spot on with what I think. Balt or Denver could drop out in favor of JAX depending on the game tonight and how the losing team looks in defeat.

 

[aposulli]

Power rankings based on if every team played every team once, what would their record be?(... in other words... Chicago would be favored h2h against 30 of the 31 other NFL teams)1. Chicago (30-1) t2. Indianapolis (29-3)t2. Philadelphia... with a healthy Westbrook (29-3)4. Seattle... with a healthy Alexander (28-4)5. San Diego (28-4)preseason SB pick of Indy over Chicago is looking good

I guess I don't get it. If there's a team that Chicago would lose to HTH (as indicated by their 30-1 record) shouldn't THAT team be #1? And why do the Bears play 31 teams while everyone else plays 32? Are those other teams playing a team twice? Who are the three teams that Indy is losing to? Is Philly one of them?

Typo. Fixed.Chicago would lose to Indy... but Indy would be the underdog against the Pats, Eagles and.... Chargers (assuming neutral field)

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1. Chicago - They can't run the table, can they?2. Philadelphia - McNabb is baaaack. And that's bad for everyone else.3. Baltimore - Big test tonight.4. San Diego - Come on. Admit it. You were impressed by Rivers.5. Denver - Good even with Plummer playing poorly.Just barely outside: Jacksonville, Indianapolis, New England, Atlanta, Seattle, CincinnatiWith that run defense, Indianapolis cannot possibly be considered a top 5 team. To only beat Tennessee by 1 point is inexcusable. They not win the Super Bowl this year either.

As of today this is spot on with what I think. Balt or Denver could drop out in favor of JAX depending on the game tonight and how the losing team looks in defeat.

 

[culdeus]

The Bears will be forced to play themselves at some point. Hence the loss.

Ditka vs Ditka?

 

[Aaronl5]

Well Indy has not looked good this year...so they are out

Chicago has looked great this year....they are in

SD is in. Rivers looking good

Philly is out. bad def

Jac is in

Seattle is out

Atlanta is in...strong running game and strong def

Bal is out....weak running game but strong def

Den is in with scary qb

So

Atlanta

Den

Chicago

SD

Jac

 

[Doctor Detroit]

1. Bengals-Impressive road victory over hated rival. Welcome Pats next week

2. Colts-Two nice wins this year at the Giants and yesterday vs JAX

3. Seahawks-Defense looks for real and adding Branch the team just gets better on O from here

4. Open (Falcons if they win tonight)

5. Baltimore-People are pointing to yesterday's game but winning on the road in the NFL against a hated rival is a good win period

If Atlanta loses tonight: Gotta put the Bears #5. I think a win at Minnesota is big and if they can beat the Seahawks this week, they are top three material from here on.

Jury's still out on San Diego to me.

Outside looking in: JAX, Denver and the Eagles are looking good at 2-1 despite bumps in the road.

Here is what I said last week.Bears and then some

Colts

Broncos (because of what the Patriots did to the Bengals)

Seahawks

Patriots

Outside looking in: Ravens, Bengals, Eagles, Falcons, and Chargers

I'll keep the same five from last week. I'd put the Eagles in there but they look shaky on defense as shown in the Giants game and almost letting the Cowboys tie it up late. I think you could swap any of the one loss teams I listed above though at this point.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1. Chicago - They can't run the table, can they?2. Philadelphia - McNabb is baaaack. And that's bad for everyone else.3. Baltimore - Big test tonight.4. San Diego - Come on. Admit it. You were impressed by Rivers.5. Denver - Good even with Plummer playing poorly.Just barely outside: Jacksonville, Indianapolis, New England, Atlanta, Seattle, CincinnatiWith that run defense, Indianapolis cannot possibly be considered a top 5 team. To only beat Tennessee by 1 point is inexcusable. They not win the Super Bowl this year either.

As of today this is spot on with what I think. Balt or Denver could drop out in favor of JAX depending on the game tonight and how the losing team looks in defeat.

Well, after last night, I guess it looks like this:1. Chicago2. Philadelphia3. Denver4. San Diego5. New England ???

 

[Despyzer]

1.) Chicago - Beating Detroit, Buffalo, and a toothless Seattle team at home and Green Bay and Minnesota on the road isn't much to hang your hat on, but they did it decisively, which is more than any other team can claim.2.) Denver- The Broncos have beaten KC, NE, and Bal, which is probably the best three-team-victories that any team in the NFL can claim. Losing to St. Louis in week 1 doesn't seem so shameful anymore.3.) San Diego - Beating Oakland and Tennessee is no big deal, but if we are going to credit Chicago for thumping bad teams, we have to credit San Diego as well. They were clearly the better team against the Ravens for three and a half quarters and throughly took over Sunday's game against Pittsburgh in the second half.4.) Jacksonville - Two plays against good teams are the only thing seperating Jacksonville from the discussion of being the best team in football right now.5.) Indy - Sneaking out wins against the Jets and the Titans is not my idea of a great team, but they are 5-0 and all of the other contendors have padded their win columns with mediocre wins against less-than-mediocre teams.

Following Andy's lead, here is my updated list after Monday night's game. No real new insight here though.

 

[Debeucci]

1.) Chicago - Beating Detroit, Buffalo, and a toothless Seattle team at home and Green Bay and Minnesota on the road isn't much to hang your hat on, but they did it decisively, which is more than any other team can claim.2.) Denver- The Broncos have beaten KC, NE, and Bal, which is probably the best three-team-victories that any team in the NFL can claim. Losing to St. Louis in week 1 doesn't seem so shameful anymore.3.) San Diego - Beating Oakland and Tennessee is no big deal, but if we are going to credit Chicago for thumping bad teams, we have to credit San Diego as well. They were clearly the better team against the Ravens for three and a half quarters and throughly took over Sunday's game against Pittsburgh in the second half.4.) Jacksonville - Two plays against good teams are the only thing seperating Jacksonville from the discussion of being the best team in football right now.5.) Indy - Sneaking out wins against the Jets and the Titans is not my idea of a great team, but they are 5-0 and all of the other contendors have padded their win columns with mediocre wins against less-than-mediocre teams.

Following Andy's lead, here is my updated list after Monday night's game. No real new insight here though.

I'm getting kind of tired of these 'good' team and 'bad' team labels.Let's lay it out then.What are the good teams, what are the bad teams?

 

[Despyzer]

I'm getting kind of tired of these 'good' team and 'bad' team labels.Let's lay it out then.What are the good teams, what are the bad teams?

Good teams play well on Sundays and on prime time, bad teams don't.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The #5 spot could be filled by several teams.

1. Chicago - Unless Arizona gets to play with knives and guns.

2. San Diego - What the heck? That's not really a Schottenheimer team, is it?

3. Denver - Ugly win. But still a win. And Philly & Baltimore lost, so they move up by default.

4. New Orleans - Seriously. To suck it up and not collapse after falling behind speaks volumes.

5. Seattle - Another nice comeback win.

On the fringe - Indianapolis, New England, Carolina, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, Philadlephia

The Eagles and Colts are going to have their hearts broken by their defenses come playoff time.

 

[aposulli]

Power rankings based on: if every team played every team once, what would their record be?

(... in other words... Chicago would be favored h2h against 30 of the 31 other NFL teams)

1. Chicago (30-1)

2. Indianapolis (28-3)

3. San Diego (27-4)

t4. Denver (26-5)

t4. Seattle... with a healthy Alexander (26-5)

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Power rankings based on: if every team played every team once, what would their record be?

(... in other words... Chicago would be favored h2h against 30 of the 31 other NFL teams)

1. Chicago (30-1)

2. Indianapolis (28-3)

3. San Diego (27-4)

t4. Denver (26-5)

t4. Seattle... with a healthy Alexander (26-5)

No way about Indy, especially now that Simon is out. Teams are going to run, run, run on that team and minimize the amount of time the Indy offense can be on the field.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Philly, Chicago, New England, San Diego and still unsure about #5. It's not Baltimore no matter what they do. They are Chicago 2004. Their offense is as poor as their defense is good. I don't care if they win 11 or 12 games, they'll get bounced from the playoffs game 1 unless their offense picks up to at least average.So who wants that #5 spot? If Seattle gets healthy, they are probably in the top 5.

I'm sticking with everything I said last week.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Philly, Chicago, New England, San Diego and still unsure about #5. It's not Baltimore no matter what they do. They are Chicago 2004. Their offense is as poor as their defense is good. I don't care if they win 11 or 12 games, they'll get bounced from the playoffs game 1 unless their offense picks up to at least average.So who wants that #5 spot? If Seattle gets healthy, they are probably in the top 5.

I'm sticking with everything I said last week.

Even Philly? Who just lost to the 5-1 Saints?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Philly, Chicago, New England, San Diego and still unsure about #5. It's not Baltimore no matter what they do. They are Chicago 2004. Their offense is as poor as their defense is good. I don't care if they win 11 or 12 games, they'll get bounced from the playoffs game 1 unless their offense picks up to at least average.So who wants that #5 spot? If Seattle gets healthy, they are probably in the top 5.

I'm sticking with everything I said last week.

Even Philly? Who just lost to the 5-1 Saints?

Yes. Even Philly who just lost to the 5-1 Saints. This isn't the BCS.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Yes. Even Philly who just lost to the 5-1 Saints. This isn't the BCS.

That's a really good line. But you're wrong. That's two games they've lost now that they should have won. Should have but DIDN'T.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Philly, Chicago, New England, San Diego and still unsure about #5. It's not Baltimore no matter what they do. They are Chicago 2004. Their offense is as poor as their defense is good. I don't care if they win 11 or 12 games, they'll get bounced from the playoffs game 1 unless their offense picks up to at least average.So who wants that #5 spot? If Seattle gets healthy, they are probably in the top 5.

I'm sticking with everything I said last week.

Even Philly? Who just lost to the 5-1 Saints?

Yes. Even Philly who just lost to the 5-1 Saints. This isn't the BCS.

I didn't say it was, but if two 4-1 teams play, it is pretty logical to rate the team that won ahead of the team that loss. Sure, the Saints were at home, but so what? The Eagles defense has been way too crappy at times for me to call them one of the best 5 teams in the NFL right now.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I didn't say it was, but if two 4-1 teams play, it is pretty logical to rate the team that won ahead of the team that loss.

Why is that "pretty logical"?. The home team wins a tight game on a last second field goal. I'm not allowed to think that Philly is still the overall better team? Picking top teams is more than just "A beat B, therefore they are a better team than B". At least to me it is.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I didn't say it was, but if two 4-1 teams play, it is pretty logical to rate the team that won ahead of the team that loss.

Why is that "pretty logical"?. The home team wins a tight game on a last second field goal. I'm not allowed to think that Philly is still the overall better team? Picking top teams is more than just "A beat B, therefore they are a better team than B". At least to me it is.

I understand, but again, given how shaky the Eagles defense has been, not to mention three of their wins have been over terrible teams, I just can't put them in the top 5 over teams like Denver, New Orleans, and Carolina, all of whom have just as good or better records, and have played tougher schedules.

 

[Doug B]

The #5 spot could be filled by several teams.

1. Chicago - Unless Arizona gets to play with knives and guns.

2. San Diego - What the heck? That's not really a Schottenheimer team, is it?

3. Denver - Ugly win. But still a win. And Philly & Baltimore lost, so they move up by default.

4. New Orleans - Seriously. To suck it up and not collapse after falling behind speaks volumes.

5. Seattle - Another nice comeback win.

On the fringe - Indianapolis, New England, Carolina, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, Philadelphia

Been thinking this ... but it's nice to kind of see it play out. Agreed about the 2006 Saints' response to the Eagles' furious 3rd quarter. It was foreshadowed by the 1st-half comeback from 13 down at Green Bay. Payton's charges are showing a mettle not seen in New Orleans for a long, long time.Honestly ... the only team I'd favor over the Saints in the Superdome right now would be the Bears. By 3.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The #5 spot could be filled by several teams.

1. Chicago - Unless Arizona gets to play with knives and guns.

2. San Diego - What the heck? That's not really a Schottenheimer team, is it?

3. Denver - Ugly win. But still a win. And Philly & Baltimore lost, so they move up by default.

4. New Orleans - Seriously. To suck it up and not collapse after falling behind speaks volumes.

5. Seattle - Another nice comeback win.

On the fringe - Indianapolis, New England, Carolina, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, Philadelphia

Been thinking this ... but it's nice to kind of see it play out. Agreed about the 2006 Saints' response to the Eagles' furious 3rd quarter. It was foreshadowed by the 1st-half comeback from 13 down at Green Bay. Payton's charges are showing a mettle not seen in New Orleans for a long, long time.Honestly ... the only team I'd favor over the Saints in the Superdome right now would be the Bears. By 3.

Is that with Full Size, or just Mini-Ditka? Assuming Bears-Ditka and not Saints-Ditka.

 

[Power Monster]

The #5 spot could be filled by several teams.

1. Chicago - Unless Arizona gets to play with knives and guns.

2. San Diego - What the heck? That's not really a Schottenheimer team, is it?

3. Denver - Ugly win. But still a win. And Philly & Baltimore lost, so they move up by default.

4. New Orleans - Seriously. To suck it up and not collapse after falling behind speaks volumes.

5. Seattle - Another nice comeback win.

On the fringe - Indianapolis, New England, Carolina, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, Philadelphia

Been thinking this ... but it's nice to kind of see it play out. Agreed about the 2006 Saints' response to the Eagles' furious 3rd quarter. It was foreshadowed by the 1st-half comeback from 13 down at Green Bay. Payton's charges are showing a mettle not seen in New Orleans for a long, long time.Honestly ... the only team I'd favor over the Saints in the Superdome right now would be the Bears. By 3.

Agreed- great run by the Saints. This is a solid top 5 and my hat goes off to Seattle for a tough win after I was burying them. Still not convinced that they can be consistent on both sides of the ball but they are 5-1....

 

[scratcher]

I didn't say it was, but if two 4-1 teams play, it is pretty logical to rate the team that won ahead of the team that loss.

Why is that "pretty logical"?. The home team wins a tight game on a last second field goal. I'm not allowed to think that Philly is still the overall better team? Picking top teams is more than just "A beat B, therefore they are a better team than B". At least to me it is.

I understand, but again, given how shaky the Eagles defense has been, not to mention three of their wins have been over terrible teams, I just can't put them in the top 5 over teams like Denver, New Orleans, and Carolina, all of whom have just as good or better records, and have played tougher schedules.

Not to PTTS but Philly was playing without their #1 WR. I still think we haven't seen the full potential of their offense. That being said, the defense is rather dissappointing right now. Personally, I feel a large part of that dissappointment is caused by Michael Lewis. He's playing horribly right now and I hope they can rectify the SS position. I just hope they get their act together soon... but don't count them out.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I didn't say it was, but if two 4-1 teams play, it is pretty logical to rate the team that won ahead of the team that loss.

Why is that "pretty logical"?. The home team wins a tight game on a last second field goal. I'm not allowed to think that Philly is still the overall better team? Picking top teams is more than just "A beat B, therefore they are a better team than B". At least to me it is.

I understand, but again, given how shaky the Eagles defense has been, not to mention three of their wins have been over terrible teams, I just can't put them in the top 5 over teams like Denver, New Orleans, and Carolina, all of whom have just as good or better records, and have played tougher schedules.

Why are the Eagles with their shaky defense not in the top 5 over Denver with their shaky offense? At least Philly was able to blow out the terrible teams they played, while Denver can only score 13 on Oakland and 9 on Kansas City?

 

[Wheelhouse]

The #5 spot could be filled by several teams.1. Chicago - Unless Arizona gets to play with knives and guns.2. San Diego - What the heck? That's not really a Schottenheimer team, is it?3. Denver - Ugly win. But still a win. And Philly & Baltimore lost, so they move up by default.4. New Orleans - Seriously. To suck it up and not collapse after falling behind speaks volumes.5. Seattle - Another nice comeback win.On the fringe - Indianapolis, New England, Carolina, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, PhiladlephiaThe Eagles and Colts are going to have their hearts broken by their defenses come playoff time.

Carolina has got to be #6 if not #5. Seattle's schedule is cake and they should've lost yesterday. Carolina has won 4 in a row, including every win with Steve Smith on the field. They would be 5-1 if it weren't for that horrendous error by Chris Gamble on the punt return against Minnesota. They have given the Saints their only loss and they anhililated a very good and determined BAL defense coming off their only loss and it was in their house! That's fine though, Carolina thrives when they don't get enough respect.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Why are the Eagles with their shaky defense not in the top 5 over Denver with their shaky offense? At least Philly was able to blow out the terrible teams they played, while Denver can only score 13 on Oakland and 9 on Kansas City?

The Broncos are 4-1 with their 5 opponents having a combined record of 14-13. They are 2-1 vs. teams above .500. The Eagles are 4-2 with their 6 opponents having a combined record of 15-17. They are 1-2 vs. teams above .500. See the difference?

 

[Doug B]

Is that with Full Size, or just Mini-Ditka? Assuming Bears-Ditka and not Saints-Ditka.

Oh, man ... what a brutal era. A decade of respectibility, followed by the Ditka Error :X Set us back badly. Weurffel and Troy Davis in the same draft, Billy Joe Tolliver and Heath Shuler brought in as "legit" FA QBs

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Why are the Eagles with their shaky defense not in the top 5 over Denver with their shaky offense? At least Philly was able to blow out the terrible teams they played, while Denver can only score 13 on Oakland and 9 on Kansas City?

The Broncos are 4-1 with their 5 opponents having a combined record of 14-13. They are 2-1 vs. teams above .500. The Eagles are 4-2 with their 6 opponents having a combined record of 15-17. They are 1-2 vs. teams above .500. See the difference?

No, not really. Looks like you are splitting hairs to me and going for your home team.

 

[Cowboys#1]

1. Chicago Bears

2. San Diego Chargers

3. Denver Broncos

4. Carolina Panthers

5. Indy Colts

just missed.. New Orleans

 

[Despyzer]

1. Chicago (5-0) - Decisive wins against almost every opponent. Still waiting for them to play someone better than a handicapped Seahawks squad though.

2. Indianapolis (5-0) - Criticism for struggles against crappy teams (NYJ and TEN), as well as difficulties defending the run, but beating the Giants and the Jags have to count in their favor.

3. New Orleans (5-1) - One of only three teams that can boast of five victories, and two of them came against quality opponents - Falcons and Eagles.

4. Denver (4-1) - Took down NE and Balt, came up just a bit short against a decent Rams team.

5. Seattle (4-1) - Other than getting blown out by the Bears, this team has pretty much held it together through some injuries. Beating the Giants and Rams looks good.

Also-rans: NE, SD, and Car

 

[kevjones22]

1) Chicago

2) San Diego

3) Seattle

4) Denver

5) Indianapolis

 

[perry147]

1) Chicago2) San Diego3) Seattle4) Denver5) Indianapolis

Denver- Their offense is too bad to have them ranked that high. When they play a team that can put up some points instead of the JV offensive teams they played the past two games then you will see. Plummer is horrible.

 

[anborn]

Carolina has got to be #6 if not #5. Seattle's schedule is cake and they should've lost yesterday. Carolina has won 4 in a row, including every win with Steve Smith on the field. They would be 5-1 if it weren't for that horrendous error by Chris Gamble on the punt return against Minnesota. They have given the Saints their only loss and they anhililated a very good and determined BAL defense coming off their only loss and it was in their house! That's fine though, Carolina thrives when they don't get enough respect.

QFT. I'm still at Gamble for that play.

 

[Wheelhouse]

Carolina has got to be #6 if not #5. Seattle's schedule is cake and they should've lost yesterday. Carolina has won 4 in a row, including every win with Steve Smith on the field. They would be 5-1 if it weren't for that horrendous error by Chris Gamble on the punt return against Minnesota. They have given the Saints their only loss and they anhililated a very good and determined BAL defense coming off their only loss and it was in their house! That's fine though, Carolina thrives when they don't get enough respect.

QFT. I'm still at Gamble for that play.

QFT?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Why are the Eagles with their shaky defense not in the top 5 over Denver with their shaky offense? At least Philly was able to blow out the terrible teams they played, while Denver can only score 13 on Oakland and 9 on Kansas City?

The Broncos are 4-1 with their 5 opponents having a combined record of 14-13. They are 2-1 vs. teams above .500. The Eagles are 4-2 with their 6 opponents having a combined record of 15-17. They are 1-2 vs. teams above .500. See the difference?

No, not really. Looks like you are splitting hairs to me and going for your home team.

You are the one who singled Denver out earlier, after I had mentioned that Denver, Carolina and NO should all be ranked higher than Philly.

Denver- Their offense is too bad to have them ranked that high. When they play a team that can put up some points instead of the JV offensive teams they played the past two games then you will see.

Denver held the Patriots to 7 points IN NEW ENGLAND. New England scored 24 points the week before they played the Broncos. They scored 38 points the week after they played the Broncos. So don't give me this "the Pats offense was struggling" crap. The Patriots struggled against the Broncos, because Denver's defense has been awesome so far.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Why are the Eagles with their shaky defense not in the top 5 over Denver with their shaky offense? At least Philly was able to blow out the terrible teams they played, while Denver can only score 13 on Oakland and 9 on Kansas City?

The Broncos are 4-1 with their 5 opponents having a combined record of 14-13. They are 2-1 vs. teams above .500. The Eagles are 4-2 with their 6 opponents having a combined record of 15-17. They are 1-2 vs. teams above .500. See the difference?

No, not really. Looks like you are splitting hairs to me and going for your home team.

You are the one who singled Denver out earlier, after I had mentioned that Denver, Carolina and NO should all be ranked higher than Philly.

Denver- Their offense is too bad to have them ranked that high. When they play a team that can put up some points instead of the JV offensive teams they played the past two games then you will see.

Denver held the Patriots to 7 points IN NEW ENGLAND. New England scored 24 points the week before they played the Broncos. They scored 38 points the week after they played the Broncos. So don't give me this "the Pats offense was struggling" crap. The Patriots struggled against the Broncos, because Denver's defense has been awesome so far.

Point to when I stated Denver's defense had not been awesome.Also, when did I "single out" Denver? You mentioned them first.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Why are the Eagles with their shaky defense not in the top 5 over Denver with their shaky offense? At least Philly was able to blow out the terrible teams they played, while Denver can only score 13 on Oakland and 9 on Kansas City?

The Broncos are 4-1 with their 5 opponents having a combined record of 14-13. They are 2-1 vs. teams above .500. The Eagles are 4-2 with their 6 opponents having a combined record of 15-17. They are 1-2 vs. teams above .500. See the difference?

No, not really. Looks like you are splitting hairs to me and going for your home team.

You are the one who singled Denver out earlier, after I had mentioned that Denver, Carolina and NO should all be ranked higher than Philly.

Denver- Their offense is too bad to have them ranked that high. When they play a team that can put up some points instead of the JV offensive teams they played the past two games then you will see.

Denver held the Patriots to 7 points IN NEW ENGLAND. New England scored 24 points the week before they played the Broncos. They scored 38 points the week after they played the Broncos. So don't give me this "the Pats offense was struggling" crap. The Patriots struggled against the Broncos, because Denver's defense has been awesome so far.

Point to when I stated Denver's defense had not been awesome.

It hasn't. Okay, let's look at this logically. The Broncos have allowed 37 points in five games, 10 field goals and a single touchdown. The Rams scored 18 points against the Broncos. In their other five games this season, the Rams have averaged 24 points a game. The Chiefs scored 6 points against the Broncos. In their other four games this season, the Chiefs have averaged 21 points a game. The Patriots scored 7 points against the Broncos. In their other four games this season, the Patriots have averaged 25 points a game. The Ravens scored 3 points against the Broncos. In their other five games this season, the Ravens have averaged 23 points a game. The Raiders scored 3 points against the Broncos. In their other four games this season, the Raiders have averaged 13 points a game. So, the Broncos have held their opponents to 6, 15, 18, 20, and 10 points below the averages against other teams. That is an average of 14 points a game. I would say if you are holding your opponents to 14 points less than what they score against everyone else on average, you are playing pretty damn awesome. Counterpoint?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Counterpoint?

Why would I counterpoint on a position I NEVER took?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Quick recap.

You stated Philly should not be a top 5 team because their defense is suspect.

I asked you to differentiate Denver (who you named as a top 5 team), when their offense is as suspect as Philly's defense.

 

[golfguy]

1. chicago

2. philly

3. san diego

4. denver

5. carolina

i think the saints are there, but just can't do it. just yet. i know they beat philly at home, but without stallworth playing, so we will see.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Quick recap.You stated Philly should not be a top 5 team because their defense is suspect.I asked you to differentiate Denver (who you named as a top 5 team), when their offense is as suspect as Philly's defense.

Okay, how's this: The Broncos lethargic offense has only cost them one game, the loss to the Rams.The Eagles lethargic defense has cost them two games, the losses to the Giants and the Saints. Denver has a better record than Philly. Denver has a better record against winning teams than Philly does. Denver has played a slightly tougher schedule. What else is there?

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

1. chicago2. philly3. san diego4. denver5. carolinai think the saints are there, but just can't do it. just yet. i know they beat philly at home, but without stallworth playing, so we will see.

Was Stallworth going to block the herd of Saints that were in the Eagles backfield for most of the game?

 

[Deranged Hermit]

1. chicago2. philly3. san diego4. denver5. carolinai think the saints are there, but just can't do it. just yet. i know they beat philly at home, but without stallworth playing, so we will see.

Was Stallworth going to block the herd of Saints that were in the Eagles backfield for most of the game?

I'm not ready to toss Philly out of the top 5, but they're not number 2 either.1. Chicago2. SD3. Denver4. NO5. Philly-Seattle is close, but I can't get that trouncing they took against the Bears out of my mind.-Indy can be run on all day and night. -Baltimore could easily replace Philly depending on my mood. -Carolina, like Indy, just doesn't seem to have IT. IT being that intangible that champion teams have.

 

[salmonstud]

BEARS

BRONCOS

CHARGERS

EAGLES

PANTHERS

 

[perry147]

Why are the Eagles with their shaky defense not in the top 5 over Denver with their shaky offense? At least Philly was able to blow out the terrible teams they played, while Denver can only score 13 on Oakland and 9 on Kansas City?

The Broncos are 4-1 with their 5 opponents having a combined record of 14-13. They are 2-1 vs. teams above .500. The Eagles are 4-2 with their 6 opponents having a combined record of 15-17. They are 1-2 vs. teams above .500. See the difference?

No, not really. Looks like you are splitting hairs to me and going for your home team.

You are the one who singled Denver out earlier, after I had mentioned that Denver, Carolina and NO should all be ranked higher than Philly.

Denver- Their offense is too bad to have them ranked that high. When they play a team that can put up some points instead of the JV offensive teams they played the past two games then you will see.

Denver held the Patriots to 7 points IN NEW ENGLAND. New England scored 24 points the week before they played the Broncos. They scored 38 points the week after they played the Broncos. So don't give me this "the Pats offense was struggling" crap. The Patriots struggled against the Broncos, because Denver's defense has been awesome so far.

Point to when I stated Denver's defense had not been awesome.Also, when did I "single out" Denver? You mentioned them first.

Denvers defense is awesome - I completely 100% agree with you on that one.Denver's offense is not coming together and sooner or later Plummer is going to fold; he almost has in the past two weeks.