I haven't used the app. I think I downloaded it a year or two ago and it was garbage, but that was back when everyone's app was garbage. No clue if they've made improvements since then.blake said:Unfortunately, I felt the same way this summer with MFL, when trying to set up a potential league site for my league to switch to. I was really impressed by the features and the nominal price for those features, but I was also unimpressed with the Geocities feel. And like you, I felt like I was wasting a lot of time. Probably not a big deal to the majority of people as mere owners, but instead for people who run leagues.Adam Harstad said:I don't think I really appreciated Fleaflicker so much until the last few years when I joined a couple MFL leagues. Seriously, MFL has some amazing features, but it feels like the league management version of GeoCities. So much information is buried in random difficult-to-access locations, the most common actions you're going to want to take require two to three times as many clicks, so much information that you'll want to access at the same time will be buried on completely different pages (meaning you have to flip back and forth between tabs) rather than consolidated. It's just an absolute mess.
That being said, regarding the message board, I'm sure my league could do without one as well on Fleaflicker. ESPN's message board is awfully intuitive, so that is attractive. And I admit, I really like the league "top story" feature right in front on an ESPN league home to keep things looking fresh and to update owners on a new procedure.
One thing that is a big selling point about Fleaflicker for my fantasy basketball league actually is the e-mail draft option.
And also, I would definitely be open to a Fleaflicker league. But I think I'm pretty much convinced for fantasy football anyway. Another question about Fleaflicker - how is reliable is their android and iphone app?
Thank you again for the reply on this. Do you tend to use the mobile site on Sundays? Or are you with a laptop? I ask because half the time I'm at a bar, so ESPN's mobile app is invaluable, but the other half of the time, I'm watching Red Zone with a laptop.This actually inspired me to check to see if their app still sucks so much. It turns out, they've pulled their app from the app store and just focused on improving the mobile site. The mobile site is fine. In an effort to keep things from getting cramped, they've spread all the information out vertically, which means you will sometimes need to do a lot of scrolling, but everything is easy to tap and access (I actually greatly appreciate the fact that they didn't shrink any of the buttons down- it's difficult to accidentally misclick something). If I'm away from the computer when I hear breaking news and I need to make some last-minute lineup changes, it'll get the job done easily enough, but it's more of an "in case of emergency" bonus than something that I'm going to use to interact with the league on a regular basis.
I'm always prepping for my weekly FBGs obligations on Sunday, which means I'm pretty much already on a laptop from noon to nine (CST), anyway. The only time I need to use the mobile site is if my wife and I are doing an early lunch before I go into my football cocoon and there's a surprise inactive.Thank you again for the reply on this. Do you tend to use the mobile site on Sundays? Or are you with a laptop? I ask because half the time I'm at a bar, so ESPN's mobile app is invaluable, but the other half of the time, I'm watching Red Zone with a laptop.This actually inspired me to check to see if their app still sucks so much. It turns out, they've pulled their app from the app store and just focused on improving the mobile site. The mobile site is fine. In an effort to keep things from getting cramped, they've spread all the information out vertically, which means you will sometimes need to do a lot of scrolling, but everything is easy to tap and access (I actually greatly appreciate the fact that they didn't shrink any of the buttons down- it's difficult to accidentally misclick something). If I'm away from the computer when I hear breaking news and I need to make some last-minute lineup changes, it'll get the job done easily enough, but it's more of an "in case of emergency" bonus than something that I'm going to use to interact with the league on a regular basis.
I actually joined a league on Fleaflicker that had a vacant spot, so I'm curious to see how that league goes...if it goes at all. I guess I'll (hopefully) get my taste of how it works tomorrow.
The first part of what you said is a good summary of MFL's waiver issue with Thursday players.Adam Harstad said:Some leagues have two waiver runs (i.e. waivers run Wednesday morning, and then a second time Friday morning). If the second waiver run happens after the Thursday night game, then you can actually bid for players that played on Thursday and win them. So, let's say that Marvin Jones had his 4-TD game this Thursday instead of on Sunday. In that case, an owner who knew about the loophole could have just bid $1 for him in the second waiver run and hoped that everyone else assumed he was locked for the week because he'd already played. If so, then that owner would have just won Marvin Jones for $1.Agent575 said:ok, I'm curious..never have or heard of an issue with Thursday gamesMFL has lost me as a customer this year, lot of problems with Thursday Night games have come to a head IMO. I will be looking elsewhere. RTSports is pretty easy to use, old fashioned perhaps but reliable. I am in 10-12+ leagues, 9 on MFL, 3 on RTSports.
Also, similar issue, but I believe it's possible to add a player who plays on Thursday night, start him, then drop him in the second waiver run and replace him with someone else. You keep the points in your starting lineup, but effectively get an extra roster spot for the week. In the most extreme example possible, you could start a QB, RB, WR, and TE on Thursday, drop them all and add another RB, two WRs, and a Defense on Friday, and then start THOSE four players as well. Voila, you just got 8 starters with just 4 roster spots.
Not sure of any other issues, I believe most of the TNF issues stem from the fact that late-week waiver runs seem to break the system.
I had to start Matt Simms when Seattle played on TNF. I failed to edit my roster on time. I would have gotten Wilson's stats if I didn't touch my lineup at all, but that would have meant a bye week RB and LB would have started. It was my fault for not editing my lineup but I am new to MFL. I was thinking the site worked like Yahoo where your previous week's starters would be your starters for the following week. I didn't complain about it because I am tanking the season anyway. Same league, a few weeks earlier a similar thing happened with a contending owner and a ##### fest ensued. The owner successfully got the commissioner to insert Major Wright into his starting lineup days after the Giants-Bears game.Agent575 said:ok, I'm curious..never have or heard of an issue with Thursday gamesMFL has lost me as a customer this year, lot of problems with Thursday Night games have come to a head IMO. I will be looking elsewhere. RTSports is pretty easy to use, old fashioned perhaps but reliable. I am in 10-12+ leagues, 9 on MFL, 3 on RTSports.
I am considering starting a dynasty league with IDPs on Fleaflickerblake said:Was thinking of doing the same thing regarding Fleaflicker.Hoss Style said:Adam seems high on Fleaflicker, and he seems like he'd be picky on the details (no offense, Adam), so I'd give that a try. I've not tried it but will try to find a league using Fleaflicker that needs a new owner next year. I'm anxious to check it out.
I was always under the impression that there was a setting that guys could not be added that their games already started...is that not the case?Adam Harstad said:Some leagues have two waiver runs (i.e. waivers run Wednesday morning, and then a second time Friday morning). If the second waiver run happens after the Thursday night game, then you can actually bid for players that played on Thursday and win them. So, let's say that Marvin Jones had his 4-TD game this Thursday instead of on Sunday. In that case, an owner who knew about the loophole could have just bid $1 for him in the second waiver run and hoped that everyone else assumed he was locked for the week because he'd already played. If so, then that owner would have just won Marvin Jones for $1.Agent575 said:ok, I'm curious..never have or heard of an issue with Thursday gamesMFL has lost me as a customer this year, lot of problems with Thursday Night games have come to a head IMO. I will be looking elsewhere. RTSports is pretty easy to use, old fashioned perhaps but reliable. I am in 10-12+ leagues, 9 on MFL, 3 on RTSports.
Also, similar issue, but I believe it's possible to add a player who plays on Thursday night, start him, then drop him in the second waiver run and replace him with someone else. You keep the points in your starting lineup, but effectively get an extra roster spot for the week. In the most extreme example possible, you could start a QB, RB, WR, and TE on Thursday, drop them all and add another RB, two WRs, and a Defense on Friday, and then start THOSE four players as well. Voila, you just got 8 starters with just 4 roster spots.
Not sure of any other issues, I believe most of the TNF issues stem from the fact that late-week waiver runs seem to break the system.
Um, you mean like the Fantasy Report that MFL has had for at least 5 years now? Yes, it has the owner comments as well.Webbstar842 said:We use CBS, have now for 6 years, transitioning over from yahoo which we used for 10 years....CBS has had it ups and downs. We use the pay version. There is some new stuff this year which is awesome and hilarious, such as "around the league", where the computer does an amazing job of recapping all games from the weekend, and allowing for comments from coaches which are inserted into the recap as if it was part of the report....allows for some funny bashing against each other. We talked about MFL, but never made the move bc of how invested we are in CBS....
Looks like fleaflicker doesn't support auction drafts; is that right? That seems like kind of a big deal.Unless you need one of the more esoteric settings only available on MFL, Fleaflicker is the way to go. Totally free, very customizable (not as much as MFL, but way more than Yahoo/ESPN/NFL), open year-round, and it has the best interface. Even if MFL was free, I'd still prefer Fleaflicker (unless, as I said, I was in a league with bizarre rules that only MFL could handle).
This is how I feel. As long as the site handles your scoring and scheduling the free sites have come a long way.I have been pleased enough with free sites like ESPN, Yahoo, and Fleaflicker. The big problem with free sites is that the statistics on start %, ownership %, etc. are extremely off base due to all of the free leagues where owners aren't paying attention.
CBS has probably the best live scoring but I just find it offensive that the site costs $150 but they have more ads than any other site.
That is user error and league drama...none of which can be put on mfl. You can have lineups carry over but someone has to take the time to read and check off on that setting.I had to start Matt Simms when Seattle played on TNF. I failed to edit my roster on time. I would have gotten Wilson's stats if I didn't touch my lineup at all, but that would have meant a bye week RB and LB would have started. It was my fault for not editing my lineup but I am new to MFL. I was thinking the site worked like Yahoo where your previous week's starters would be your starters for the following week. I didn't complain about it because I am tanking the season anyway. Same league, a few weeks earlier a similar thing happened with a contending owner and a ##### fest ensued. The owner successfully got the commissioner to insert Major Wright into his starting lineup days after the Giants-Bears game.Agent575 said:ok, I'm curious..never have or heard of an issue with Thursday gamesMFL has lost me as a customer this year, lot of problems with Thursday Night games have come to a head IMO. I will be looking elsewhere. RTSports is pretty easy to use, old fashioned perhaps but reliable. I am in 10-12+ leagues, 9 on MFL, 3 on RTSports.
Understood. I thought maybe that would have answered the guy's question because that was the only problem I came across with the Thursday games. Yeah, it wasn't truly a MFL issue.That is user error and league drama...none of which can be put on mfl. You can have lineups carry over but someone has to take the time to read and check off on that setting.I had to start Matt Simms when Seattle played on TNF. I failed to edit my roster on time. I would have gotten Wilson's stats if I didn't touch my lineup at all, but that would have meant a bye week RB and LB would have started. It was my fault for not editing my lineup but I am new to MFL. I was thinking the site worked like Yahoo where your previous week's starters would be your starters for the following week. I didn't complain about it because I am tanking the season anyway. Same league, a few weeks earlier a similar thing happened with a contending owner and a ##### fest ensued. The owner successfully got the commissioner to insert Major Wright into his starting lineup days after the Giants-Bears game.Agent575 said:ok, I'm curious..never have or heard of an issue with Thursday gamesMFL has lost me as a customer this year, lot of problems with Thursday Night games have come to a head IMO. I will be looking elsewhere. RTSports is pretty easy to use, old fashioned perhaps but reliable. I am in 10-12+ leagues, 9 on MFL, 3 on RTSports.
Good to know. Thanks, Greg.The first part of what you said is a good summary of MFL's waiver issue with Thursday players.Adam Harstad said:Some leagues have two waiver runs (i.e. waivers run Wednesday morning, and then a second time Friday morning). If the second waiver run happens after the Thursday night game, then you can actually bid for players that played on Thursday and win them. So, let's say that Marvin Jones had his 4-TD game this Thursday instead of on Sunday. In that case, an owner who knew about the loophole could have just bid $1 for him in the second waiver run and hoped that everyone else assumed he was locked for the week because he'd already played. If so, then that owner would have just won Marvin Jones for $1.Agent575 said:ok, I'm curious..never have or heard of an issue with Thursday gamesMFL has lost me as a customer this year, lot of problems with Thursday Night games have come to a head IMO. I will be looking elsewhere. RTSports is pretty easy to use, old fashioned perhaps but reliable. I am in 10-12+ leagues, 9 on MFL, 3 on RTSports.
Also, similar issue, but I believe it's possible to add a player who plays on Thursday night, start him, then drop him in the second waiver run and replace him with someone else. You keep the points in your starting lineup, but effectively get an extra roster spot for the week. In the most extreme example possible, you could start a QB, RB, WR, and TE on Thursday, drop them all and add another RB, two WRs, and a Defense on Friday, and then start THOSE four players as well. Voila, you just got 8 starters with just 4 roster spots.
Not sure of any other issues, I believe most of the TNF issues stem from the fact that late-week waiver runs seem to break the system.
You can't do the bolded though. The site won't accept a new lineup that contains a player not on your roster. And he's locked in your lineup, so you'd be stuck with the lineup you had at the time he was dropped.
Don't know. Like I said, I've never used their drafting software, I always draft off-site and import (month-long message board drafts).Looks like fleaflicker doesn't support auction drafts; is that right? That seems like kind of a big deal.Unless you need one of the more esoteric settings only available on MFL, Fleaflicker is the way to go. Totally free, very customizable (not as much as MFL, but way more than Yahoo/ESPN/NFL), open year-round, and it has the best interface. Even if MFL was free, I'd still prefer Fleaflicker (unless, as I said, I was in a league with bizarre rules that only MFL could handle).
Joined a league on Fleaflicker, taking over a vacant spot, and looking at the live scoring on mobile. That was really the point of joining the league, to look at the live scoring. Very clean, very easy, and no need to use an app. Extremely impressed.I'm always prepping for my weekly FBGs obligations on Sunday, which means I'm pretty much already on a laptop from noon to nine (CST), anyway. The only time I need to use the mobile site is if my wife and I are doing an early lunch before I go into my football cocoon and there's a surprise inactive.Thank you again for the reply on this. Do you tend to use the mobile site on Sundays? Or are you with a laptop? I ask because half the time I'm at a bar, so ESPN's mobile app is invaluable, but the other half of the time, I'm watching Red Zone with a laptop.
I actually joined a league on Fleaflicker that had a vacant spot, so I'm curious to see how that league goes...if it goes at all. I guess I'll (hopefully) get my taste of how it works tomorrow.
Good point raised here.CBS has probably the best live scoring but I just find it offensive that the site costs $150 but they have more ads than any other site.
It applies to FCFS. But if you have queued up waivers, either normal or blind bidding, where everyone had an equal chance to every player being claimed, then the setting doesn't apply.gandalas said:I was always under the impression that there was a setting that guys could not be added that their games already started...is that not the case?Adam Harstad said:Some leagues have two waiver runs (i.e. waivers run Wednesday morning, and then a second time Friday morning). If the second waiver run happens after the Thursday night game, then you can actually bid for players that played on Thursday and win them. So, let's say that Marvin Jones had his 4-TD game this Thursday instead of on Sunday. In that case, an owner who knew about the loophole could have just bid $1 for him in the second waiver run and hoped that everyone else assumed he was locked for the week because he'd already played. If so, then that owner would have just won Marvin Jones for $1.Agent575 said:ok, I'm curious..never have or heard of an issue with Thursday gamesMinistry of Pain said:MFL has lost me as a customer this year, lot of problems with Thursday Night games have come to a head IMO. I will be looking elsewhere. RTSports is pretty easy to use, old fashioned perhaps but reliable. I am in 10-12+ leagues, 9 on MFL, 3 on RTSports.
Also, similar issue, but I believe it's possible to add a player who plays on Thursday night, start him, then drop him in the second waiver run and replace him with someone else. You keep the points in your starting lineup, but effectively get an extra roster spot for the week. In the most extreme example possible, you could start a QB, RB, WR, and TE on Thursday, drop them all and add another RB, two WRs, and a Defense on Friday, and then start THOSE four players as well. Voila, you just got 8 starters with just 4 roster spots.
Not sure of any other issues, I believe most of the TNF issues stem from the fact that late-week waiver runs seem to break the system.
I thought MFL got sufficiently discussed. I would like for them to update their system, though honestly having a pretty looking interface is probably item #60 on my list of importance. I actually tend to prefer simplicity, would rather see someone nail the substance before worrying about glitzy look. NFL's regular football (not fantasy) looks pretty and also is one of the most painful things I've ever tried to use on the web. ESPN by comparison looks 10 years old, but gets me immediately to everything I want to see.Adam Harstad said:Good to know. Thanks, Greg.Greg Russell said:The first part of what you said is a good summary of MFL's waiver issue with Thursday players.Adam Harstad said:Some leagues have two waiver runs (i.e. waivers run Wednesday morning, and then a second time Friday morning). If the second waiver run happens after the Thursday night game, then you can actually bid for players that played on Thursday and win them. So, let's say that Marvin Jones had his 4-TD game this Thursday instead of on Sunday. In that case, an owner who knew about the loophole could have just bid $1 for him in the second waiver run and hoped that everyone else assumed he was locked for the week because he'd already played. If so, then that owner would have just won Marvin Jones for $1.Agent575 said:ok, I'm curious..never have or heard of an issue with Thursday gamesMinistry of Pain said:MFL has lost me as a customer this year, lot of problems with Thursday Night games have come to a head IMO. I will be looking elsewhere. RTSports is pretty easy to use, old fashioned perhaps but reliable. I am in 10-12+ leagues, 9 on MFL, 3 on RTSports.
Also, similar issue, but I believe it's possible to add a player who plays on Thursday night, start him, then drop him in the second waiver run and replace him with someone else. You keep the points in your starting lineup, but effectively get an extra roster spot for the week. In the most extreme example possible, you could start a QB, RB, WR, and TE on Thursday, drop them all and add another RB, two WRs, and a Defense on Friday, and then start THOSE four players as well. Voila, you just got 8 starters with just 4 roster spots.
Not sure of any other issues, I believe most of the TNF issues stem from the fact that late-week waiver runs seem to break the system.
You can't do the bolded though. The site won't accept a new lineup that contains a player not on your roster. And he's locked in your lineup, so you'd be stuck with the lineup you had at the time he was dropped.
By the way, I know you're a huge MFL proponent. You aren't going to make a pitch at least?![]()