She advocates school choice, which gives the parents the option. I am not aware that she wants to put God into public schools.Yeah, good thing. Of course she's also been an advocate for bringing God back into schools. So that's probably good.
She advocates school choice, which gives the parents the option. I am not aware that she wants to put God into public schools.Yeah, good thing. Of course she's also been an advocate for bringing God back into schools. So that's probably good.
Hey I pointed that out too.Don't do what? Nominate liberals or conservatives to their administrations? Her views on education aren't that out of whack from a conservative viewpoint.
Yet, sadly, not a distinction from among the picks Trump has made*Hey I pointed that out too.
But in addition to her positions, Devos seems rather incompetent for the position that she's been chosen for. And that's a distinction from any of the picks that Obama made.
Yea, gay students could suffer for sure under somebody like her.Then you thought wrong.
There will be a million stories about this remarkably unqualified fool for the position she is about to take, Franken shone a light on another offensive side of her, and had her in front of a mic to address it. Maybe Betsy has thoughts on how to handle gay students?
These are the questions which were not asked. It is more fun to talk about child labor camps.Can someone break down what she wants to do to public education and why it's bad without all the hyperbole?
Husband is an Amway guy as well I think.Apparently her brother is the Blackwater scumbag.
I described them in my first post in the thread:Can someone break down what she wants to do to public education and why it's bad without all the hyperbole?
Husband's family (Devos) founded AmwayHusband is an Amway guy as well I think.
That's because grizzlies are reluctant to mess with students who might be armed. Take guns away, and our middle school students are now walking, talking picnic baskets.Grizzly attacks in schools since, I don't know, ever? -- 0.
Yup, Rich Devos, co-founder of Amway.Husband is an Amway guy as well I think.
I liked this post, but you really should have said "pic-a-nic" baskets.That's because grizzlies are reluctant to mess with students who might be armed. Take guns away, and our middle school students are now walking, talking picnic baskets.
He's draining the swamp.Yup, Rich Devos, co-founder of Amway.
I'm pretty conservative and I hate this appointment. Maybe the idea is to cause the Department of Education to implode? Beyond that mastermind plot, I can't fathom why she was appointed. Trump is an idiot.
Thanks I missed it through all the nonsense about gays and turning kids into Chinese Nike factory workers.I described them in my first post in the thread:
Pro vouchers
pro charter schools
anti teacher unions
anti federal control of curriculum
I think most conservatives will cheer this agenda, and most progressives will despise it. But the conservatives won, so this is what we get.
She was clearly flustered in some of the video I saw, but I don't believe she is incompetent.What about her competence? Isn't that a big reason for the criticism of her? It seems like she isn't familiar with some very basic concepts because she's never actually had a job in education or a degree in education.
I am pretty sure the DOE holds the purse strings to billions of dollars in federal aids and grants that go to local communities (including charter schools and many private schools). That was the point of Kaine's line of questioning - if you get federal money, you should play by the same rules as everyone else.Alot of what is being discussed here can't actually be managed by the DoE. They are nearly exclusively limited to managing college debt programs. They have nearly zero control over charter schools, or vouchers or any of that crap.
She seems pretty unqualified to me, just based on her experience. The confirmation hearing was an opportunity for her to show that she was well-qualified despite her lack of experience, and she failed that test. I'm just not sure why you would give her the benefit of the doubt.She was clearly flustered in some of the video I saw, but I don't believe she is incompetent.
You don't have to have sources any more. We can just make up whatever we want since....well, Trump. I feel in my heart that she wants to.She advocates school choice, which gives the parents the option. I am not aware that she wants to put God into public schools.
and as we know, the federal gov't NEVER uses those funds as leverage (or better yet, ransom) for getting the states to do what they want.I am pretty sure the DOE holds the purse strings to billions of dollars in federal aids and grants that go to local communities (including charter schools and many private schools). That was the point of Kaine's line of questioning - if you get federal money, you should play by the same rules as everyone else.
Her experience is in dealing with trying to push private school options in a largely public systems. If that is what Trump is looking for her background does not appear to make her unqualified.She seems pretty unqualified to me, just based on her experience. The confirmation hearing was an opportunity for her to show that she was well-qualified despite her lack of experience, and she failed that test. I'm just not sure why you would give her the benefit of the doubt.
Because they won!She seems pretty unqualified to me, just based on her experience. The confirmation hearing was an opportunity for her to show that she was well-qualified despite her lack of experience, and she failed that test. I'm just not sure why you would give her the benefit of the doubt.
What leads you to believe that she's in any way competent? She has zero experience related in any way to public education, and very clearly was shown as fundamentally ignorant of basic knowledge related to her proposed position.She was clearly flustered in some of the video I saw, but I don't believe she is incompetent.
Because as you know, running government agencies is very similar to running businesses. Like in a business, you would buy and sell land (or in the case of Amway selling books, tapes, and seminars). In government you buy and sell favors. Same thing.What leads you to believe that she's in any way competent? She has zero experience related in any way to public education, and very clearly was shown as fundamentally ignorant of basic knowledge related to her proposed position.
Right, she's an advocate. She's not an administrator. Heading a government agency isn't about just pushing ideology. There's, like, actual stuff to get done.Her experience is in dealing with trying to push private school options in a largely public systems.
Don't worry, she's like - a smart person. How else would she be rich?Right, she's an advocate. She's not an administrator. Heading a government agency isn't about just pushing ideology. There's, like, actual stuff to get done.
I think she is a buffoon - but this is spot on. Trump won the election, and believes his supporters are looking for changes to the school systems that mirror many of the positions that Devos has taken in her life. Its naive to expect anything different. It sounds like there will be a big push for more charter schools - probably run in a similar fashion, and with as much success, as private prisons. Not a lot that anyone can do about that in the short-term.Her experience is in dealing with trying to push private school options in a largely public systems. If that is what Trump is looking for her background does not appear to make her unqualified.
I have no idea how she is going to do, but since I have no control over the situation I'm content with being able to wait and see.
Running a fundamentalist pyramid scheme really ought to prepare someone well for just about anything, amirite?Because as you know, running government agencies is very similar to running businesses. Like in a business, you would buy and sell land (or in the case of Amway selling books, tapes, and seminars). In government you buy and sell favors. Same thing.
She has a background in administrating non-profits and working in the confines of the public system.Right, she's an advocate. She's not an administrator. Heading a government agency isn't about just pushing ideology. There's, like, actual stuff to get done.
Nominate people who have an interest and want to lead said agency successfully as opposed to nominating people who hate government and wanted to get rid of the very agency they've been tasked to run? Yep....always 50/50.Don't do what? Nominate liberals or conservatives to their administrations?
Yes, no, maybe.Right, she's an advocate. She's not an administrator. Heading a government agency isn't about just pushing ideology. There's, like, actual stuff to get done.
No hyperbole here.Her confirmation if/when it happens, will be the death knell for public schools in this country.
Books, tapes, and seminars baby!Running a fundamentalist pyramid scheme really ought to prepare someone well for just about anything, amirite?
Wait, are you saying you think Obama did a good job? Wow. Didn't expect that.Obama was mostly an advocate too with no real experience.
Why do people that bash Obama keep using this line of reasoning?Obama was mostly an advocate too with no real experience.
This is always the difficult part of a presidential transition. Trump, and the GOP, have very different views on how and when government should be involved. It was always a given that a Trump nominee to the EPA is going to favor fewer regulations - to spur business growth at the expense of environmental controls.Nominate people who have an interest and want to lead said agency successfully as opposed to nominating people who hate government and wanted to get rid of the very agency they've been tasked to run? Yep....always 50/50.
A mandate for what? Change? Hillary was firmly the status quo candidate. She lost. Change is what we are going to get because it's what people voted for.I think she is a buffoon - but this is spot on. Trump won the election, and believes his supporters are looking for changes to the school systems that mirror many of the positions that Devos has taken in her life. Its naive to expect anything different. It sounds like there will be a big push for more charter schools - probably run in a similar fashion, and with as much success, as private prisons. Not a lot that anyone can do about that in the short-term.
Still does not mean everyone should sit on their hands - given that a majority of americans opposed a Trump presidency. I think Trump, and the republicans, treating these elections as a mandate will ultimately be their downfall.
More people in the country voted for status quo than voted for change. As bad as Hillary was - more people preferred Hillary to Trump - and I doubt that has changed.A mandate for what? Change? Hillary was firmly the status quo candidate. She lost. Change is what we are going to get because it's what people voted for.
Every party new in power ends up over-reaching. The only question is if they can solidify those reaches into the norm. Obama took some big risks instituting policy through EO. It means that a lot of what he did will simply be wiped out. I would prefer Trump take smaller steps and make more long-lasting changes after the EOs are unwound, but that's up to him.
I don't think picking Devos to push charter schools is really going to cause long-term outrage. The DOE is fairly constrained in what it can do.
Destroy? No. Certainly shrink and/or roll back regulations though.He's draining the swamp.
Part of draining the swamp is putting people in charge of departments they intend to destroy.
I mean he campaigned on exactly this so I don't really see the issue.
They have thumped the Dems locally in the last four elections, control the House, and will likely increase the Senate margin in two years.More people in the country voted for status quo than voted for change. As bad as Hillary was - more people preferred Hillary to Trump - and I doubt that has changed.
The DNC badly miscalculated the mid-west, but those are razor thin margins - any overstep and it easily tilts back. Add to that an increased Dem effort in those areas, and I think the next presidential election will have a very different look to it.
Like that pesky child labor law. Silly liberals.Destroy? No. Certainly shrink and/or roll back regulations though.
The election happened to be close becauseDonald TrumpHillary Clinton was a terrible presidential candidate. Really, really bad.