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What are you talking about?Like that pesky child labor law. Silly liberals.
What are you talking about?Like that pesky child labor law. Silly liberals.
Betsy Devos thinks kids should be "allowed" to work. Don't you have facebook?What are you talking about?
His facebook feed is not the same as your facebook feed.Betsy Devos thinks kids should be "allowed" to work. Don't you have facebook?
Mine gets acid washed daily with memes.His facebook feed is not the same as your facebook feed.
Sure, aside from the 4 years experience as a U.S. Senator, the 8 years experience as an Illinois state Senator, and the 11 years experience as a working lawyer, not to mention the 12 years experience as a part-time law professor (where he taught 3 courses per year).Obama was mostly an advocate too with no real experience.
So almost like a mini-Trump. But with her own ##### to grab.I have no idea what will happen with her in this position. I can't get concerned about her policies yet. My biggest concern is her attitude and the way she presented herself. She didn't seem like she could give two ####s (where she knew what people were talking about). Then there's the whole issue of having no clue what some of those questioning her were talking about. I don't think she has the basic knowledge necessary to do this job. She's going to have to be a quick study and nothing that she provided in her performance would suggest she can be a quick study.
Such a sad attitude. School is much more challenging than it was 30 years ago.Living in Orange County (bastion of conservatism) I hear it all the time: kids are lazy, they don't work hard enough in school, we worked much harder back in the day, they think they're entitled, enough of this common core crap, let's get back to the basics, etc.
Most people around here probably have no clue who Devos is (I doubt they're paying attention) but if they heard her they'd like her.
Why do wealthy people not have to pay for public ed? I don't go to the park. Can I get s refund on my park money? I haven't had a fire either so I want my fire department money too. Everyone benefits from educating the kids in our communities. How selfish and short sighted are people?So, I like her idea of breaking down the education issue into smaller chunks that can be tackled separately.
First, lets make sure we can reimburse all the wealthy parents who eschew local public schools for private schools. After all, its not fair that those parents have to pay taxes for resources they would never use.
Second, lets make sure all the middle class families have better public school options so that their kids are not tainted by the societal failure of poor kids.
Finally, we can get to the root of the education disparity in the country, and address the education system that is failing millions of lower income kids. You know what though, we have probably already done enough work on education that this part can wait for another administration.
You think kids should not be allowed to work? I have no clue wtf you're saying. Maybe spell out the issue and you're disagreement with it?Betsy Devos thinks kids should be "allowed" to work. Don't you have facebook?
Break apart unionsCan someone break down what she wants to do to public education and why it's bad without all the hyperbole?
New to this country? We are so myopic we are considered legally blind.Why do wealthy people not have to pay for public ed? I don't go to the park. Can I get s refund on my park money? I haven't had a fire either so I want my fire department money too. Everyone benefits from educating the kids in our communities. How selfish and short sighted are people?
I agree but I thought some here were a bit smarter. I mistook you as advocating for it.New to this country? We are so myopic we are considered legally blind.
EXTREMELY!!! Hence, Trump.Why do wealthy people not have to pay for public ed? I don't go to the park. Can I get s refund on my park money? I haven't had a fire either so I want my fire department money too. Everyone benefits from educating the kids in our communities. How selfish and short sighted are people?
Any conservative types on facebook want to share what their feed looks like politically? I think it could be sorta eye-opening. Here's the political content as I scroll down my feed right now:His facebook feed is not the same as your facebook feed.
What's the problem with homeschooling?She's been a huge advocate for home-schooling too. :X
Not everyone has a negative view of homeschooling. Shocking there is a diversity of views?Seriously?
Dead serious. I have no issues with homeschooling. What are your issues with it?Seriously?
"homeschooling" is just a vague term, who knows what is meant by it. I was unaware at how many different variations there are these days. They seem to range from "the suck" to "pretty freakin' cool"Not everyone has a negative view of homeschooling.Seriously?
What part sucks and what part is freaking cool?"homeschooling" is just a vague term, who knows what is meant by it. I was unaware at how many different variations there are these days. They seem to range from "the suck" to "pretty freakin' cool"
The education provided is absolutely markedly inferior in the vast majority of home schooling experiences. If nothing else, the social and experiential aspects of community education are going to be completely lacking. I have no problem with people who choose to home school their own children, but I definitely have a huge problem with a Secretary of Education whose track record of charitable giving indicates a clear preference for home schooling and religious private schooling over our public education system.Dead serious. I have no issues with homeschooling. What are your issues with it?
From my experience that's an ignorant short sighted view about home schooled kids. I'd love to see your proof that the education is inferior and social aspects are lacking.The education provided is absolutely markedly inferior in the vast majority of home schooling experiences. If nothing else, the social and experiential aspects of community education are going to be completely lacking. I have no problem with people who choose to home school their own children, but I definitely have a huge problem with a Secretary of Education whose track record of charitable giving indicates a clear preference for home schooling and religious private schooling over our public education system.
Ok, I didn't know they had that level of authority. As far as I understood it they managed the Pell grants and set some guidelines/regulations on College Loans as their primary function. This still seems to be the primary function, but they got some expanded roles in the recent times. It still seems like the entire DoE budget dealing with this stuff is roughly the price of one F35 jet, so it's a drop in the bucket and there's a limit to just how much they can really screw stuff up.I am pretty sure the DOE holds the purse strings to billions of dollars in federal aids and grants that go to local communities (including charter schools and many private schools). That was the point of Kaine's line of questioning - if you get federal money, you should play by the same rules as everyone else.
You base this on what? The fact that home-schoolers score significantly better on standardized tests?The education provided is absolutely markedly inferior in the vast majority of home schooling experiences.
What is your experience? Mine is related to ten years spent working in and with the education system before changing career paths, as well as a wife who has been a teacher for 20 years, and a mother who has taught for 40 years. The vast majority of home schooling is done for religious reasons in my experience, and that doesn't exactly prepare anyone for higher education or any type of career.From my experience that's an ignorant short sighted view about home schooled kids. I'd love to see your proof that the education is inferior and social aspects are lacking.
In other words you know almost nothing about homeschooling.What is your experience? Mine is related to ten years spent working in and with the education system before changing career paths, as well as a wife who has been a teacher for 20 years, and a mother who has taught for 40 years. The vast majority of home schooling is done for religious reasons in my experience, and that doesn't exactly prepare anyone for higher education or any type of career.
Come on, you're smarter than that. I've seen the numbers that you are referencing, and they don't represent anything remotely close to a reasonable sample from which to draw any conclusions.You base this on what? The fact that home-schoolers score significantly better on standardized tests?
In Grand Rapids and Holland MI..yes they do. The Bible Belt of MI. Colleges too.Do religious based schools really exist? I mean in D/FW 95% of the private schools are religious, but I mean at this point that amounts to having a chapel on campus and a chaplain might show up once a week at lunch or something. At least here it doesn't mean they are not teaching evolution, and banning school dances. They are mostly college prep with loads of AP and have no time at all for religious bull####. I imagine religious schools, much like the rest of the country has gotten away from that way of life in all areas.
Do you have names of these schools?In Grand Rapids and Holland MI..yes they do. The Bible Belt of MI.
Every study has shown this. You on the other hand have nothing to support your claim. Really odd to attack the best evidence which exists, when you have nothing.Come on, you're smarter than that. I've seen the numbers that you are referencing, and they don't represent anything remotely close to a reasonable sample from which to draw any conclusions.
I didn't know what Franken meant by that either. Seems like getting hung up on semantics for people to act so contentious about it. I'm not really interested in the perspective of the common core / teachers' union /standardized testing demographic. Sometimes people are too vested in the system to see the forest thru the trees. That they would express such hysteria at the thought of competition tells a lot.What about her competence? Isn't that a big reason for the criticism of her? It seems like she isn't familiar with some very basic concepts because she's never actually had a job in education or a degree in education.
You made the comment homeschooling is inferior yet you're only proof is you worked in public education. Prove it's inferior if you're discrediting test scores.Come on, you're smarter than that. I've seen the numbers that you are referencing, and they don't represent anything remotely close to a reasonable sample from which to draw any conclusions.
This is where DeVos attended high school -- https://www.hollandchristian.org/:Do you have names of these schools?
In Dallas, for example St. Mark's and Episcopal School of Dallas are "religious" but have for all intents no actual religious content and if federal funding was at stake would drop those names in a heartbeat.
ETA: Mission and beliefs of the school.ABOUT US
Each day at Holland Christian we work to fulfill our mission, heartily endeavoring to “Equip minds and nurture hearts to transform the world for Jesus Christ.” This work of transforming the world for Jesus Christ is highly inclusive work, calling for a host of ready, willing, and Spirit-filled, well-prepared individuals.
Well, you'd also be a pretty ####ty Secretary of Education.I didn't know what Franken meant by that either.
What is your experience? Mine is related to ten years spent working in and with the education system before changing career paths, as well as a wife who has been a teacher for 20 years, and a mother who has taught for 40 years. The vast majority of home schooling is done for religious reasons in my experience, and that doesn't exactly prepare anyone for higher education or any type of career.
"Religious reasons" isn't analogous to the wrong reasons. I know many people who simply don't want their grade school kids sitting in a class where some have completely wrecked home lives and whose parents expose them to vile things which they then bring to school. Kids talking about sex scenes in movies in the 2nd grade and dropping F-bombs. Abused kids lashing out and physically attacking classmates and stealing stuff. These are things that happen at my wife's school, which is a science-tech focused magnet school in a whitewashed suburban town. It's about as sheltered an environment as any public school in the country and yet there are things going on that many parents are very uncomfortable with.What is your experience? Mine is related to ten years spent working in and with the education system before changing career paths, as well as a wife who has been a teacher for 20 years, and a mother who has taught for 40 years. The vast majority of home schooling is done for religious reasons in my experience, and that doesn't exactly prepare anyone for higher education or any type of career.
No one would argue with that situation, least of all me. Do you think that this is the typical situation for kids home schooled in the US?"Religious reasons" isn't analogous to the wrong reasons. I know many people who simply don't want their grade school kids sitting in a class where some have completely wrecked home lives and whose parents expose them to vile things which they then bring to school. Kids talking about sex scenes in movies in the 2nd grade and dropping F-bombs. Abused kids lashing out and physically attacking classmates and stealing stuff. These are things that happen at my wife's school, which is a science-tech focused magnet school in a whitewashed suburban town. It's about as sheltered an environment as any public school in the country and yet there are things going on that many parents are very uncomfortable with.
I'm not a fan of homeschooling in general, but it is not really a bad option in some cases. A stay at home mom with a degree in education who also takes her kids to a homeschooler's co-op where they can receive deeper education in certain subjects while socializing is a far superior elementary education than even the best of public schools. That is the exact situation my best friend is in and their kids are well-adjusted and highly educated.
Just like public schools, not all home school situations are the same.
Ok, this is fairly hardcore. They even go out of their way to avoid offering AP classes in what would be the controversial AP coursework like Biology and English. If a school like this exists in Texas I'm not aware of it.This is where DeVos attended high school -- https://www.hollandchristian.org/:
ETA: Mission and beliefs of the school.
ETA2: Educational philosophy -- this one is pretty hardcore Jesusy
It's not the patronage that concerns me, it's the fact that what she's had her hand hasn't worked in MichiganThe DeVos family has done tons of great things here in Grand Rapids to invest in the community. They are also the heart and soul of the GOP in Michigan politics. The DeVos family was significant in delivering Trump the support in West Michigan he needed from the GOP base in order to win Michigan in the general election. Of course, he was going to pay them back somehow with an appointment if her or her husband wanted one. I don't think she is qualified for the position but there are ton of patronage appointees who are not qualified either. That's just how politics has always been.
On a side note, I thought Trump and the GOP wanted to get rid of the Department of Education. If that is the case, why even mess around with an appointment to lead the Department and instead follow through with their promise to get rid of the Department altogether.
You keep making generalizations without any factual evidence. Back up and state some proof for inferior education. Then move onto percentage of moms with education degrees and other stuff.No one would argue with that situation, least of all me. Do you think that this is the typical situation for kids home schooled in the US?