Big Ben (1 Viewer)

[BGP]

this really was meant more as an NFL perspective thread, but the fantasy disrespect angle is another thing to look at. His last ten weeks in my league have been 21,27,18,23,28,24, 8,19,21,18-207. Bulgers last ten(Bulger is currently 5th in my league)-21,32,25,21,8,5,14,24,32,5-187.Not only does big ben have more points over the last 10 weeks, he has actually been way more consistent as well.With all of the QBs ahead of him ranked 11th to 5th in my league you can actually draw the same comparisons. Would I say that big ben is a top 6-7 fantasy QB? No. However if you drafted Big Ben where he should have gone, which was very late. You have been starting a top 6-7 fantasy QB over the last ten weeks if you were able to have the foresight to put him in your lineup over whoever you drafted above him. I would say that is pretty great production from somebody who was acquired in double digit rounds or as a throw in with a trade.

Wether its from an NFL or fantasy perspective, the first thing that should come to mind is that the guy is alarmingly injury-prone. Even if he comes back and plays not at 100%, over time these things are extremely likely to pile up and result in a shortened career.Hey, its very hard to play QB for a long time in the NFL. Vinny Testaverde stayed healthy, and for that reason he had a long career and put up what some think of as HOF numbers. Just from durability. Most QBs don't make it that far. In Ben's case, he will be lucky to get 8 years of service time in before injuries finish him off.

 

[gman74]

he is just another dilfer

Stupid comments like this are exactly why Roethlisberger is underrated.

you and godsbrother are homers and i respect that. just because you are on a superbowl winning team does not make you a great qb. great qbs like marino never won a superbowl and a great qb in manning as of yet has not won one. but the way you 2 represent yourselfs on here makes philly fan look good. but i do understand why steeler fan hangs with bated breath on the team because the rest of your teams stink and will always stinkso enjoy your 1 trick pony.

Your hatred for the Steelers prevents you from making any sort of intelligent discussion in any threads I have seen and very rarely do you contribute anything of substance. Im not saying that he is Peyton Manning and Im not denying the fact that Ben was horrid in the SB last year. He had a bad game. It happens. But no one remembers what he did in the three games to get them there. Quite possibly one of the greatest runs for a QB in the playoffs. For a QB who was on the verge of death only a few short months ago, I think he'll be just fine. I can probably only think of 10 or so QBs at the most that any GM in the NFL would rather have on their team. And as for Godsbrother, he happens to be one of the most practical posters on this board as far as useful information. Most anyone will tell you that. Even some Steeler haters. But when someone makes a statement as assinine as comparing Ben to Dilfer, then expect a response.

if there is a steeler thread i will voice my opinion. and as i have said before you guys should have your own forum so you can pat each other on the backs. if you dont like my post on your team dont read it

 

[SteelerMurf]

he is just another dilfer

Stupid comments like this are exactly why Roethlisberger is underrated.

you and godsbrother are homers and i respect that. just because you are on a superbowl winning team does not make you a great qb. great qbs like marino never won a superbowl and a great qb in manning as of yet has not won one. but the way you 2 represent yourselfs on here makes philly fan look good. but i do understand why steeler fan hangs with bated breath on the team because the rest of your teams stink and will always stinkso enjoy your 1 trick pony.

You know this guy has lost this debate when he has to wrap it up by saying the Penguins and Pirates suck, so enjoy your good football team.

there is no arguement to be lost hes not going to be a hofer he is not a probowl type qb unless a handfull of qbs get hurt. and if the def does not get back to where they were fat head will not see another superbowl unless he is holding a clipboard or buys a ticket. we should not call him big ben anymore he should be called fathead

You are becoming irrational now. Who the heck said he is a hall of famer? He will always have a hard time making the probowl cause Manning and Palmer will get there every year they play from here on out. And you can't have it both ways, Ben had great defense vs. the Raiders...result he played horrible and they lost. Defense plays horrible vs. New Orleans. Ben plays great and they win. Any QB outside of Manning is going to have a hard time getting to a Superbowl without a great defense, so you are not saying anything different that doesn't apply to any other QB in the NFL. Manning will never make it to the Superbowl unless his defense gets better either. Same goes with Palmer, unless their defense plays better he doesn't get to the Superbowl.Ben lead the team to a 15-1 record his FIRST year, in his second year he leads his team to the Superbowl win. Ben gets serious head injuries in the offseason of his 3rd year, which causes him to lose a lot of weight and strength. He then has his appendix removed a couple days before the regular season begins. Again he loses more weight and strength and becomes apprehensive about taking hits. He returns too early and struggles the first half of the year. Then he starts to get healthy and stronger and VOILA.....Steelers play one of the better second half records in the league.

 

[SteelerMurf]

this really was meant more as an NFL perspective thread, but the fantasy disrespect angle is another thing to look at. His last ten weeks in my league have been 21,27,18,23,28,24, 8,19,21,18-207. Bulgers last ten(Bulger is currently 5th in my league)-21,32,25,21,8,5,14,24,32,5-187.Not only does big ben have more points over the last 10 weeks, he has actually been way more consistent as well.With all of the QBs ahead of him ranked 11th to 5th in my league you can actually draw the same comparisons. Would I say that big ben is a top 6-7 fantasy QB? No. However if you drafted Big Ben where he should have gone, which was very late. You have been starting a top 6-7 fantasy QB over the last ten weeks if you were able to have the foresight to put him in your lineup over whoever you drafted above him. I would say that is pretty great production from somebody who was acquired in double digit rounds or as a throw in with a trade.

Wether its from an NFL or fantasy perspective, the first thing that should come to mind is that the guy is alarmingly injury-prone. Even if he comes back and plays not at 100%, over time these things are extremely likely to pile up and result in a shortened career.Hey, its very hard to play QB for a long time in the NFL. Vinny Testaverde stayed healthy, and for that reason he had a long career and put up what some think of as HOF numbers. Just from durability. Most QBs don't make it that far. In Ben's case, he will be lucky to get 8 years of service time in before injuries finish him off.

Please tell me how many games he has missed in his 3 year career due to injury. (not counting the appendix removal either)He missed one with sore ribs his rookie year but they had home field wrapped up and nothing to play for so they just gave him a rest during a long rookie season (lots of starters didn't play or were limited that day).He missed one game last year due to getting a direct hit to his knee vs. SD (most thought he would be out for the year)He missed 3 more games last year due to knee surgery.If he is injury prones, so is Bulger, McNabb, Palmer (in his only 2 seasons as starter he has ended the season with knee injuries), Brees (shoudler), Culpepper, Vick (probably misses at least one game a year before this season), Hasselbeck, Pennington (goes without saying), McNair (goes without saying), Trent Green, Jake Delhomme, Charlie Frye.....just about every guy on that list has missed more games than Ben over the last 3 years.

 

[poopdawg]

this really was meant more as an NFL perspective thread, but the fantasy disrespect angle is another thing to look at. His last ten weeks in my league have been 21,27,18,23,28,24, 8,19,21,18-207. Bulgers last ten(Bulger is currently 5th in my league)-21,32,25,21,8,5,14,24,32,5-187.Not only does big ben have more points over the last 10 weeks, he has actually been way more consistent as well.With all of the QBs ahead of him ranked 11th to 5th in my league you can actually draw the same comparisons. Would I say that big ben is a top 6-7 fantasy QB? No. However if you drafted Big Ben where he should have gone, which was very late. You have been starting a top 6-7 fantasy QB over the last ten weeks if you were able to have the foresight to put him in your lineup over whoever you drafted above him. I would say that is pretty great production from somebody who was acquired in double digit rounds or as a throw in with a trade.

Wether its from an NFL or fantasy perspective, the first thing that should come to mind is that the guy is alarmingly injury-prone. Even if he comes back and plays not at 100%, over time these things are extremely likely to pile up and result in a shortened career.Hey, its very hard to play QB for a long time in the NFL. Vinny Testaverde stayed healthy, and for that reason he had a long career and put up what some think of as HOF numbers. Just from durability. Most QBs don't make it that far. In Ben's case, he will be lucky to get 8 years of service time in before injuries finish him off.

Please tell me how many games he has missed in his 3 year career due to injury. (not counting the appendix removal either)He missed one with sore ribs his rookie year but they had home field wrapped up and nothing to play for so they just gave him a rest during a long rookie season (lots of starters didn't play or were limited that day).He missed one game last year due to getting a direct hit to his knee vs. SD (most thought he would be out for the year)He missed 3 more games last year due to knee surgery.If he is injury prones, so is Bulger, McNabb, Palmer (in his only 2 seasons as starter he has ended the season with knee injuries), Brees (shoudler), Culpepper, Vick (probably misses at least one game a year before this season), Hasselbeck, Pennington (goes without saying), McNair (goes without saying), Trent Green, Jake Delhomme, Charlie Frye.....just about every guy on that list has missed more games than Ben over the last 3 years.

Exactly. I ####### hate the term injury prone. Its a ridiculous concept. Especially when people say that Ben is injury prone since he missed time this season, which was due to an ACCIDENT. Ben is not "injury prone". He is no more susceptible to injury than anyone else. Getting hit in the knee is not "injury prone", but an accident. Hitting his thumb on a linemans helmet is not due to him being "injury prone", but an accident. Taking a faceplant into a Chrysler and missing time is not because hes "injury prone". It was an accident. Missing a game for an appendectomy is not due to being "injury prone". It was an aftermath from an accident. If you want to talk about being injury prone, talk about players like David Boston, who misses time every year for the same ailment. At this point, it is ridiculous to call Ben injury prone, or most any other QB for that matter. He will enjoy a good 10+ years in the NFL.

 

[Godsbrother]

this really was meant more as an NFL perspective thread, but the fantasy disrespect angle is another thing to look at. His last ten weeks in my league have been 21,27,18,23,28,24, 8,19,21,18-207. Bulgers last ten(Bulger is currently 5th in my league)-21,32,25,21,8,5,14,24,32,5-187.Not only does big ben have more points over the last 10 weeks, he has actually been way more consistent as well.With all of the QBs ahead of him ranked 11th to 5th in my league you can actually draw the same comparisons. Would I say that big ben is a top 6-7 fantasy QB? No. However if you drafted Big Ben where he should have gone, which was very late. You have been starting a top 6-7 fantasy QB over the last ten weeks if you were able to have the foresight to put him in your lineup over whoever you drafted above him. I would say that is pretty great production from somebody who was acquired in double digit rounds or as a throw in with a trade.

Wether its from an NFL or fantasy perspective, the first thing that should come to mind is that the guy is alarmingly injury-prone. Even if he comes back and plays not at 100%, over time these things are extremely likely to pile up and result in a shortened career.Hey, its very hard to play QB for a long time in the NFL. Vinny Testaverde stayed healthy, and for that reason he had a long career and put up what some think of as HOF numbers. Just from durability. Most QBs don't make it that far. In Ben's case, he will be lucky to get 8 years of service time in before injuries finish him off.

Please tell me how many games he has missed in his 3 year career due to injury. (not counting the appendix removal either)He missed one with sore ribs his rookie year but they had home field wrapped up and nothing to play for so they just gave him a rest during a long rookie season (lots of starters didn't play or were limited that day).He missed one game last year due to getting a direct hit to his knee vs. SD (most thought he would be out for the year)He missed 3 more games last year due to knee surgery.If he is injury prones, so is Bulger, McNabb, Palmer (in his only 2 seasons as starter he has ended the season with knee injuries), Brees (shoudler), Culpepper, Vick (probably misses at least one game a year before this season), Hasselbeck, Pennington (goes without saying), McNair (goes without saying), Trent Green, Jake Delhomme, Charlie Frye.....just about every guy on that list has missed more games than Ben over the last 3 years.

Exactly. I ####### hate the term injury prone. Its a ridiculous concept. Especially when people say that Ben is injury prone since he missed time this season, which was due to an ACCIDENT. Ben is not "injury prone". He is no more susceptible to injury than anyone else. Getting hit in the knee is not "injury prone", but an accident. Hitting his thumb on a linemans helmet is not due to him being "injury prone", but an accident. Taking a faceplant into a Chrysler and missing time is not because hes "injury prone". It was an accident. Missing a game for an appendectomy is not due to being "injury prone". It was an aftermath from an accident. If you want to talk about being injury prone, talk about players like David Boston, who misses time every year for the same ailment. At this point, it is ridiculous to call Ben injury prone, or most any other QB for that matter. He will enjoy a good 10+ years in the NFL.

If he plays the last two games of the regular season Ben will have played 48 games in his first 3 seasons. That averages out to 16 games/season even with his accident and appendectomy and getting sacked 40+ times this season. He is pretty tough.

 

[Godsbrother]

if there is a steeler thread i will voice my opinion. and as i have said before you guys should have your own forum so you can pat each other on the backs. if you dont like my post on your team dont read it

Hey voice your opinion all you want, that is what this board is for. If you think Roethlisberger sucks that is your right -- I've been just putting up the reasons why I think he is pretty good. For instance, you said Roethlisberger last year was equivalent to Dilfer in 2000. I put up their stats and your come back was the Penguins/Pirates aren't any good. Uh, okay...

 

[pizzatyme]

he is just another dilfer

Stupid comments like this are exactly why Roethlisberger is underrated.

you and godsbrother are homers and i respect that. just because you are on a superbowl winning team does not make you a great qb. great qbs like marino never won a superbowl and a great qb in manning as of yet has not won one. but the way you 2 represent yourselfs on here makes philly fan look good. but i do understand why steeler fan hangs with bated breath on the team because the rest of your teams stink and will always stinkso enjoy your 1 trick pony.

Your hatred for the Steelers prevents you from making any sort of intelligent discussion in any threads I have seen and very rarely do you contribute anything of substance. Im not saying that he is Peyton Manning and Im not denying the fact that Ben was horrid in the SB last year. He had a bad game. It happens. But no one remembers what he did in the three games to get them there. Quite possibly one of the greatest runs for a QB in the playoffs. For a QB who was on the verge of death only a few short months ago, I think he'll be just fine. I can probably only think of 10 or so QBs at the most that any GM in the NFL would rather have on their team. And as for Godsbrother, he happens to be one of the most practical posters on this board as far as useful information. Most anyone will tell you that. Even some Steeler haters. But when someone makes a statement as assinine as comparing Ben to Dilfer, then expect a response.

I'm not a Steeler hater, but I am willing to vouch for GB when it comes to level headed Steelers banter.But, with this said, there are still 15 QBs I'd rather have than Ben at this point in time.

 

[Jous]

Wow, gman's meltdown in this topic completely robbed him of respectability when discussing this topic... that's the first thing I have to say.

Secondly, a lot of people tend to forget that this is only Roethlisberger's 3rd season in the league, and only his 7th season as a starting QB playing QB in his life because he didn't start until he was a High school senior and skipped his senior year in college. He still has a lot of experience to get.

That's one thing I don't understand about a lot of his bashers who call him overrated and say "he's not a Pro Bowl QB" etc... I mean, we're not talking about a guy who's reached the ceiling of his abilities. Roethlisberger is far from a finished product, and from what he's shown already in the league I have very little doubt he can and will improve.

Not to change the topic, but that's one thing I noticed about when people discuss Eli Manning and Roethlisberger who both came out of the 2004 drfat class... Eli seems to get a lot of breaks and people say "he's still learning. He's going to get a lot better and be a bigtime QB." But when Roethlisberger struggles, a lot of the same people come out with the "overrated" garbage.

 

[Irish]

he is just another dilfer had a great d middle of the road qb at best what part of that is hard to understand. its not the worst thing in the world. i think most people agree that there are probley atleast 8-10 or more qbs that are better than him. again not the worst thing in the world. get over yourself

Well, let's see. In 2000 Dilfer's passer rating in the regular season was 76.6, Roethlisberger's was 98.6. In the 2000 playoffs Dilfer threw for 590 yards (147 avg) and 3 TDs. Last year in the playoffs Roethlisberger threw for 803 yards (200 avg) and 7 TDs (also ran for 2 TDs).Yep, they are about the same.

 

[Peyton Marino]

Now I am by no means the absolute definitive judge of talent here

obviously not, since the only thing you mention in your post is statistics.

sorry i didnt throw out some amazing statements like he is a born leader and he really slaps his teamates on the ### with the best of them.

nobody asked you to.