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Big Marshall Faulk Rumor! (1 Viewer)
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""A third source said, "I would say it's fair to question whether Marshall will be ready but never underestimate his toughness, mentally, or physically. I will say this; we need Steve Jackson and Lamar Gordon to be ready. Gordon is the real question. I have the utmost confidence that Jackson can fill the bill but if Marshall can't go, Gordon must elevate his game supporting Jackson for this offense to operate properly. ""Can we all now end this nonsense of Gordan being Faulk's replacement? He'll be backing up Jackson.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
This should silence the jokers claiming Gordon isn't even in the mix.It depends on how quick Jackson picks up the offense and its blocking schemes...Martz is a mad scientist with the X's and O's...not a vanilla offense.My money is still on Gordon starting week 1 with Jackson taking over before week 8.(If Faulk isn't playing obviously)""A third source said, "I would say it's fair to question whether Marshall will be ready but never underestimate his toughness, mentally, or physically. I will say this; we need Steve Jackson and Lamar Gordon to be ready. Gordon is the real question. I have the utmost confidence that Jackson can fill the bill but if Marshall can't go, Gordon must elevate his game supporting Jackson for this offense to operate properly. ""Can we all now end this nonsense of Gordan being Faulk's replacement? He'll be backing up Jackson.
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Family Matters
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Be careful, you'll upset some Jackson lovers talking that way.This should silence the jokers claiming Gordon isn't even in the mix.It depends on how quick Jackson picks up the offense and its blocking schemes...Martz is a mad scientist with the X's and O's...not a vanilla offense.My money is still on Gordon starting week 1 with Jackson taking over before week 8.(If Faulk isn't playing obviously)""A third source said, "I would say it's fair to question whether Marshall will be ready but never underestimate his toughness, mentally, or physically. I will say this; we need Steve Jackson and Lamar Gordon to be ready. Gordon is the real question. I have the utmost confidence that Jackson can fill the bill but if Marshall can't go, Gordon must elevate his game supporting Jackson for this offense to operate properly. ""Can we all now end this nonsense of Gordan being Faulk's replacement? He'll be backing up Jackson.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
If Faulk doesn't play like you mentioned, now way it takes 8 weeks for him to start. There are other rookies like Kevin Jones and Julius Jones who are expected to jump in and produce. there's no reason not to put Jackson in that same category since he was the No.1 RB in this year's draft.However, my take on all this is that Faulk plays, but isn't an every down back. You'll see Steven Jackson in there probably twice as much as Gordon by the time the seasons finished.I think if Gordon was any good at all, the Rams wouldn't have traded up to grab an RB to replace the aging Faulk.This should silence the jokers claiming Gordon isn't even in the mix.It depends on how quick Jackson picks up the offense and its blocking schemes...Martz is a mad scientist with the X's and O's...not a vanilla offense.My money is still on Gordon starting week 1 with Jackson taking over before week 8.(If Faulk isn't playing obviously)""A third source said, "I would say it's fair to question whether Marshall will be ready but never underestimate his toughness, mentally, or physically. I will say this; we need Steve Jackson and Lamar Gordon to be ready. Gordon is the real question. I have the utmost confidence that Jackson can fill the bill but if Marshall can't go, Gordon must elevate his game supporting Jackson for this offense to operate properly. ""Can we all now end this nonsense of Gordan being Faulk's replacement? He'll be backing up Jackson.
Brave Sir Robin
Footballguy
I don't think Martz sees it that way. The guy likes RBs. He took a first round pick (Canidate) and in two years turned him into a 4th round pick (from Redskins). Look to see Gordon being converted into a QB before being sent to Canada.I do agree that Jackson starts week #1 if Faulk is hurt.I am a big time/lifelong Rams fan. I have avoided Faulk throughout my mocks (mostly) this year.
JAA
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I can neither confirm nor deny the published or unpublished reports concerning what I may or many not have done in or out with or with out my wife or Faulks Ball Cancer.So that leaves me two options...1) JAA swings both ways and Bob/FFGal is his mistress, hence Faulk is done for the year.Trust me. You don't want it. Bob is not your type.You might be a woman, but you have definitely exhibited poor word choice (i.e. use of your instead of you're and woman instead of women).By the way, can I have your phone number?
2) FFGal and JAA have no relationship, hence Faulk will be studly this year.
JAA
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Ill take it a side step and say my money would be on it not being Jackson and either Gordon or Harris. If last year is any indicator, it will be Gordon.This should silence the jokers claiming Gordon isn't even in the mix.It depends on how quick Jackson picks up the offense and its blocking schemes...Martz is a mad scientist with the X's and O's...not a vanilla offense.My money is still on Gordon starting week 1 with Jackson taking over before week 8.(If Faulk isn't playing obviously)""A third source said, "I would say it's fair to question whether Marshall will be ready but never underestimate his toughness, mentally, or physically. I will say this; we need Steve Jackson and Lamar Gordon to be ready. Gordon is the real question. I have the utmost confidence that Jackson can fill the bill but if Marshall can't go, Gordon must elevate his game supporting Jackson for this offense to operate properly. ""Can we all now end this nonsense of Gordan being Faulk's replacement? He'll be backing up Jackson.
pigskinliquors
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kupcho1
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Hear, hear. This speculation came from the more reputable third source, not the unreliable eighth source. Now if it had come from the first source, I'd look sell Faulk yesterday.""A third source said, "I would say it's fair to question whether Marshall will be ready but never underestimate his toughness, mentally, or physically. I will say this; we need Steve Jackson and Lamar Gordon to be ready. Gordon is the real question. I have the utmost confidence that Jackson can fill the bill but if Marshall can't go, Gordon must elevate his game supporting Jackson for this offense to operate properly. ""Can we all now end this nonsense of Gordan being Faulk's replacement? He'll be backing up Jackson.
pigskinliquors
Dr. Parrothead
No it's not!
suchislife
Footballguy
Only last year the debate was if Holmes was a top 5 pick. This year the debate is if Faulk is even worthy of a 2nd or 3rd round pick. And Faulk's entering his 11th NFL season vs. Holmes' 7th (last year). I'd say they are significantly different situations.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Geez, you go away for a vacation for a little bit, and when you come back there's a 150-plus-post thread on a rumor. Bee-uuu-tee-ful.Anyway, I just checked and I still see not a word on Google News about this. LOTS of Footballguys message board posts, but no credible-sourced news. In fact, Faulk played in the Lake Tahoe golf tourney last weekend. Now, I know golf isn't football, but...I took Faulk in the Survivor draft and researched things pretty carefully at the time (about a month ago). You might want to read my writeup about it, but essentially, the surgery took care of a flap of cartilage and Faulk did not have an arthritic knee as had been feared. According to Martz, the surgery would allow him to regain his burst and lateral movement.The likelihood is that this is just some radio sports jock noise with lame 'inside sources' who decided to start a story based on nothing. Next come some of the FF knee-jerks running around screaming the sky is falling, and the 'story' suddenly takes on a life of its own. Amazing. Where are the 150 posts on McCown being replaced by Shaun King?I understand that sometimes where there's smoke there's fire, but sometimes where there's smoke there's mirrors instead.
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Couch Potato
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I may be too.
Or not. 
fatness
Footballguy
Not much news on Faulk; these are all I found: Faulk Kicks Off in MayFaulk Shares Secretsoops, that last one was Kevin
DonnyT33
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--RB Marshall Faulk has some concerns regarding his injured knee, but talk of retirement is premature. Faulk underwent knee surgery earlier in the offseason, a procedure that was said to have solved previous problems he's had with the knee. However, there are some questions how it will respond when the hitting begins, and Faulk turned 31 in February. Even if Faulk isn't 100 percent, it is believed there will still be a role for him in the offense.The Sports XchangeThere is no better info out here than what the Xchange provides except for FBG Bob Harris who is really on top of things. So take it from here, earlier this year it was reported he was feeling as good as he has in the last three years after his latest surgery, now this. So its early to tell for sure what is happening. Faulk almost pulled out the playoff game last year with a tremendous late game effort, so I would not count him out so quickly. The guy is a warrior and will give it all he has. He was playing that last game last year like it was his last chance at a ring in St. Louis and maybe that is sinking in even more now after he has seen all the defensive loses. Maybe he has seen the Rams defense up close and realizes his window for winning it all is closed now. I hate Martz as he is at the top of my great OC but terrible as a head coach list and his defense this year could be very bad. They will be in some high scoring games this year because with no Winstrom, Brian Young and possibly no Little and Lovie Smith not coaching them that defense will give up yards and scores in bunches this year, there defensive line could be the worst in the league. The O line is solid so whoever becomes the short yardage and TD guy, likely the kid Jackson but I think Gordon or Harris have just as good a chance, will be the most valuable RB to have. If Jackson is so good why did he hang so long in the draft and get by Parcells who is desperate for a RB? The Ram system is extremely complex and being in it for a year or two gives the veterans the upper hand. I cant help but think Bulger's and the WR's stats will somehow be strong by default (playing catch up and trying to keep up with there bad D giving up many points) As a Marshall owner in a $$$$$ keeper league I am really wishing I traded him last year before our trade deadline. But his schedule down the stretch was so favorable I just could not bring myself to pull the trigger because I was still right in it for all the money. Maybe Marshall and his agents are up to something here and he wants out to be in a better situation for another ring? Now that's a Faulk owners hoping right there 
Oh well, back to the drawing board.DT
Oh well, back to the drawing board.DTbostonfred2
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Since it seems like people didn't read this, let's quote it:The guy that originated the Faulk rumor
Not sure where people are getting the idea that Faulk is already done for year from this. Thanks for pushing him down in the draft, though.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Paulie? Oh, you won't be seeing him no more.Buh-buh, FFgal alias.Trust me. You don't want it. Bob is not your type.Edit: Not St. Louis BobYou might be a woman, but you have definitely exhibited poor word choice (i.e. use of your instead of you're and woman instead of women).By the way, can I have your phone number?
IMO, another slow start for Faulk, and once he gets in the groove of the year, he'll start to come alive for a while. I think he will play 16, and have 9 or 10 games as a top-5/top-10 RB and have 6 games where he is barely worth a RB2 spot.
Have him adequately backed up with Jackson - similar to the requirement of taking Mack with Taylor two years ago - and hope you pick the right games where he is starting - and, really, hope that Jackson starts getting extensive work and Marshal gets pulled for a few game sbefore the stretch run.
My feeling is ther eis no way Marshal wants to retire roght now - I think he wants this last year to shoot for a ring - the NFC is still a wide open conference - and then he will retire.
I wouldn't hesitate to take any of about four RBs at 1.01 in a dynasty league - and Jackson is defintiely one of them. I think he is a sure fire starter for the Rams in 2005.
St. Louis Bob
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UPDATE!!!Bob Wallace of the St. Louis Rams was just on KMOX radio. When he was asked about the recent concerns over Faulk not playing in 2004 , by the host Charlie Brennan, he dodged the question. This in my opinion is not good. :( This is basically what his reply was, “ Marshall is working hard in the weight room and is trying to lose a few pounds. We drafted Steven Jackson to back him up. Things are busy at Rams Park right now. We are all looking forward to another great year. “Remember this is an election year.
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bostonfred2
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When asked about Faulk's health, a member of the Rams organization stated that Faulk was working out, and was the starter, and that Jackson was drafted not to share time, but as a backup. Clearly, Faulk is retiring. 
Weiner Dog
Footballguy
At the very least, Wallace's comments should squash the whole "Gordon will battle Jackson as the #2 RB." Judging by the comments thus far, two things will happen for Jackson:1.) Jackson will be the undisputed #1 if Faulk cannot play
2.) Jackson will be the undisputed #2 if Faulk can play
As of today...nobody (outside of Rams' management) can confirm which scenario will be applicable to the upcoming season.
Maybe he will, maybe he won't. But to deny the possibility is being blind.When asked about Faulk's health, a member of the Rams organization stated that Faulk was working out, and was the starter, and that Jackson was drafted not to share time, but as a backup. Clearly, Faulk is retiring.
bostonfred2
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Who's denying the possibility? I'm just trying to figure out how likely it is.Maybe he will, maybe he won't. But to deny the possibility is being blind.When asked about Faulk's health, a member of the Rams organization stated that Faulk was working out, and was the starter, and that Jackson was drafted not to share time, but as a backup.
Clearly, Faulk is retiring.
As of right now, we have:
- Rams spent a first round pick on a RB (not the first time, either)
- Faulk recovering from knee surgery (not the first time, either)
- Some shock jockey cites unknown sources saying Faulk might be done, then backpedals and says Faulk might be sharing the role
- A member of the Rams organization says Faulk has been working out and that Jackson is the backup.
Help me finish this list with the information that is making commissioners freeze trades with Faulk involved.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Who's denying the possibility? I'm just trying to figure out how likely it is.Maybe he will, maybe he won't. But to deny the possibility is being blind.When asked about Faulk's health, a member of the Rams organization stated that Faulk was working out, and was the starter, and that Jackson was drafted not to share time, but as a backup.
Clearly, Faulk is retiring.
As of right now, we have:
- Rams spent a first round pick on a RB (not the first time, either)
- Faulk recovering from knee surgery (not the first time, either)
- Some shock jockey cites unknown sources saying Faulk might be done, then backpedals and says Faulk might be sharing the role
- A member of the Rams organization says Faulk has been working out and that Jackson is the backup.
Help me finish this list with the information that is making commissioners freeze trades with Faulk involved.
That is enough to get me worried about him, but i'm not counting him out.This smells of a very bad situation. How many knee surguries can a guy have before his knee just can't take it any more. At 31 the body just doesn't heal as well as it did a few years earlier. He has to make a choice. Risk not being able to walk normally by the time he's 40, or go out with some dignity and be able to enjoy his retirement without a cane.He isn't the same RB he was just a few short years ago. Last year he did have some solid games, but anyone who watched noticed that he has slowed down considerably. He is getting by with his brains at this point, his physical abilities are clearly diminished, and if they have gotten worse this offseason even a guy with his football smarts might not be able to overcome it.I am a big Faulk fan and hope he plays, but was VERY worried even before this news broke. Bottom line: He's 31 with a laundry list of knee injuries to his credit. That screams buyer beware to me.
BoltzNBrew
Footballguy
From Rotoworld.comMarshall Faulk - RB - STL KTRS radio 550 in St. Louis reports that Marshall Faulk could potentially sit out the 2004 season or be a part-time player because of his knee.Keep in mind that this story has been floating around, but no major news organization will pick it up. Don't accept it as fact just yet. Still, Faulk had offseason knee surgery again this winter, and it ended up being much more serious than originally anticipated. Even if he is able to play, Faulk has a ton of red flags surrounding him and looks like someone to avoid in fantasy leagues this fall. Jul. 9 - 9:30 am et
And don't forget that Bernie Micklas...perhaps a more respected shock jock... stated that he knew Hadley's (first shock jock) source and there is some merit to what Hadley said. So in my mind, that source that triggered this rumormill is within the Rams.So the concern looks more credible.
stated that he knew Hadley's (first shock jock) source and there is some merit to what Hadley said. So in my mind, that source that triggered this rumormill is within the Rams.So the concern looks more credible.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I agree here - Gordon is a year away from either being on another team or being Jackson's backup.I also have said over and over this offseaosn that taking Fauik in the 2nd is great value, but make sure you handcuff Jackson to him.
I see four potential top-10/top-12 rookie backs - JJones, KJones, Jackson and Bell.
Jackson is the longest shot b/c Faulk is a tough SOB, who I am convinced will have at least 9 RB1 games this year. Here's his (once again soft) schedule:
Ari @Atl NO @SF @Sea TB @Mia Bye NE Sea @Buf @GB SF @Car @Ari Phi NYJ
I only count 7 games against last year's top-10/top-12 ranked rush defenses. IN other words, Faulk or Jackson,. whichever back starts should be able to rack up yardage, and also contribute through catching the ball.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Yes, I do. I think Faulk will start acquiring even better value if he continues falling from his current 1.12/2.01 perch to the mid-2nd.And, yes, reaching for Jackson as his handcuff becomes even more valuable with Faulk on board - he means more to the Faulk owner than anyone else, and I believe, despite Jackson's current artificially infalted, rumor driven value, that he will be available at a reasonable spot in most drafts.I think the top of the 6th and later for Faulk's handcuff with Jackson is not an insane amount to pay to protect Faulk - though it is def., better to get Jackson as late as possible.Iin 2002, I drafted Taylor in the 3rd, knowing I would have to add Mack for too much money later. I added Mack in the late 7th/early 8th or so (I think I had the 7th or 8th spot in that draft) - I never used him once, but that peace of mind of having him there behind Taylor made me breath easy - and I won the championship that year thanks to Taylor, Deuce and the incredible early 4th round value I got with Barber.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
So maybe he's carried his last ball?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
NOW THAT'S COMEDY!!!! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Mad Strategist
Footballguy
That is a good thing?It sounds to me like almost half his games are against the top third rush defenses.
rebel34
Footballguy
UPDATE:Marshall Faulk was here in Denver at the John Elway Classic Golf Tournament, and guess who was covering the event? You guessed it AM760 THE ZONE. John Turk, the executive producer of my show :insertshamelessplug: Fantasy Football Freestyle, met Marshall and got to BS with him and Elway. Marshall did not want to come on the air and answer questions about his knee. However, he did say that he's working hard and will see how he feels in camp. Turk noted that his swing looked awesome :whocares: and that he was walking with a slight limp. ALSO, I contacted Adam Timmerman via phone and he repeated the same ole "Jackson will back up Faulk" line. I have a long standing contact with Adam's dad and I will dig further to see if this is just the "company line".AND YES.....I am kicking myself in the ### for not taking up Turk on his offer to attend the golf tourney. GD honey do list! 
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Yes it is - not that many backs have as easy a schedule - and the "easy" run Ds that Faulk faces are REALLY easy. Take your backs ranked 3-11 and look at their schedule - only Deuce, Alexander, and Barlow have what I would call easier run D schedules (I excluded LT and Priest form my consideration simply b/c they both are, IMO, in a different class than what you hope for from a Faulk/.Jackson starting combo - I think Marshal can still put up top-5 games, but not streaks of top-5 games like those two guys).Also, it was Faulk's run D schedule the last 8 games of the season that propelled him to a top-5, 20 pt/game, 4.4 YPC back - those were his numbers over that stretch.If you can count on 20-ish pts a game from either Faulk or Jackson for 9 of 16 games, you are well ahead of the game - a tough run D and a great back will still produce good games (for example, Faulk had 12+ pts v. Baltimore, even though he managed only 40 or so combined yards). A good back will produce good numbers if he is used - but he should be able to tear up and possibly carry your FF team versus bad Ds.For comparison:Edge: @NE @Ten GB @Jac Oak Bye Jac @KC Min Hou @Chi @Det Ten @Hou Bal SD @Den Ricky: Ten @Cin Pit NYJ @NE @Buf StL @NYJ Ari Bye @Sea @SF Buf @Den NE Cle @Bal Jamal: @Cle Pit @Cin KC @Was Bye Buf @Phi Cle @NYJ Dal @NE Cin NYG @Ind @Pit Mia Ahman: @Car Chi @Ind NYG Ten @Det Dal @Was Bye Min @Hou StL @Phi Det Jac @Min @Chi Fred Taylor: @Buf Den @Ten Ind @SD KC @Ind @Hou Bye Det Ten @Min Pit Chi @GB Hou @Oak (I excluded Priest and LT - did I miss anyone else - Deuce, Barlow and SA below) I counted at least 6 or 7 top-12 rush defenses on each of their schedules - and the "non top-12 rush Ds" they face are significantly tougher run Ds than the ones Faulk, SA, Barlow and Deuce face - at least by yardage allowed.Deuce: Sea SF @StL @Ari TB Min @Oak Bye @SD KC Den @Atl Car @Dal @TB Atl @Car Barlow: Atl @NO @Sea StL Ari @NYJ Bye @Chi Sea Car @TB Mia @StL @Ari Was Buf @NE SA: @NO @TB SF Bye StL @NE @Ari Car @SF @StL Mia Buf Dal @Min @NYJ Ari Atl
rebel34
Footballguy
The reason he could be backpedaling is that his contact might be dismayed by him going public with the story. A jockey's gonna back up if he fears losing his contact, and sometimes they are made to back up. Just ask me about the Patrick Watkins story where he had to make a public rebuttle about Trevor Pryce beating down Brian Griese because Pryce's agent was putting the heat on the station.And no, Griese didn't trip over his dog.
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beef
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There had to be a dog involed somewhere. Maybe Griese got wasted and slept with Pryce's dog and that's why he got the beating?Just ask me about the Patrick Watkins story where he had to make a public rebuttle about Trevor Pryce beating down Brian Griese because Pryce's agent was putting the heat on the station.And no, Griese didn't trip over his dog.
Warpig
Footballguy
OK, I'll admit I'm confused. I hear all the latest gossip about Faulk and his knee being worse than thought. But didn't we just here, a few months ago, about his surgery and it only being a small flap of cartliage that was causing the discomfort and once it was removed that he felt 100% better? Now it's back to being a career threatening issue? Which is it? And isn't Faulk known for his rigorous offseason conditioning? Isn't he the one that was in those commercials where it showed him running on the beach with cinder blocks in his hands jumping over logs and such? The guy is a machine when it comes to keeping his body in shape. I just drafted Steven Jackson in my 16 team dynasty league so I am hoping that he does end up being the man in St. Louie, however...I'm not gonna fully sink my hooks into the possible "bluff" that is going on about Faulk and his knee keeping him from playing this year. The guy is a warrior and I choose to believe that he's gonna be the guy at the beginning of the season. Now if he falls apart during the season because of his knee then that's different. I think STL even has the option to keep Faulk out of all the pre-season games to give him even more time to heal/rehab and let Jackson and Gordon get all the carries to let them battle it out for the #2 spot and get used to the speed and wear and tear of the game. We've still got 2 months so we'll see. As of right now I think Faulk could be a HUGE value pick. 
rebel34
Footballguy
TD's house, strippers, alcohol, Griese's hands on Pryce's wife=beatdown!No dogs involved unless you want to call Trevor's wife a dog which I don't advise!There had to be a dog involed somewhere. Maybe Griese got wasted and slept with Pryce's dog and that's why he got the beating?Just ask me about the Patrick Watkins story where he had to make a public rebuttle about Trevor Pryce beating down Brian Griese because Pryce's agent was putting the heat on the station.And no, Griese didn't trip over his dog.
Brave Sir Robin
Footballguy
If I had to draft now, I wouldn't take Faulk at all. I would take Jackson though and I don't think it would cost a 6th (today).
St. Louis Bob
Footballguy
This is what has me worried. Martz & the Rams have never played games like Denver. There is no reason to bluff Faulk being injured. If Faulk was even 70% healthy I would have expected an answer of" Oh Marshall is fine and he'll be ready to go when the season starts."As a Rams fan I hope he is healthy.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
It takes a lot of balls to say that.
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