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Yeah, when determining who to sign. It doesn't matter at all when determining the MVP. You realize MVP isn't completely LITERAL, right? Not what team would fall the farthest without X player.
What do you mean it doesn't matter at all for choosing an MVP? VORP is a measure of "if we replaced this guy with a replacement level player, how much would we lose?"There are few stats as good in assessing MVP candidates, IMO.
True.Baseball writers, like so many announcers, really don't understand the game, which is sad.It's not like Sabremetrics were invented from the ether. They looked at the game and figured out what stats correlated to winning. But to old school guys, batting .300, compiling RBIs, and hitting in clutch situations is all that matters.
I would argue the exact opposite - people who look solely at the numbers don't understand the game at all. There is more to the game over the course of an entire year then the stats you can write down on a piece of paper and merge together to come up with some cool new stat that the guys in Oakland and Boston will run their team on.And because it seems to have been missed in this thread, I will repeat myself - Derek Jeter is not, nor has he ever been, the MVP of the Yankees. Mariano Rivera is, and has been for a decade. If Jeter is getting any consideration at all, Mo should get all of his votes - and more.
Yeah, when determining who to sign. It doesn't matter at all when determining the MVP. You realize MVP isn't completely LITERAL, right? Not what team would fall the farthest without X player.
What do you mean it doesn't matter at all for choosing an MVP? VORP is a measure of "if we replaced this guy with a replacement level player, how much would we lose?"There are few stats as good in assessing MVP candidates, IMO.
True.Baseball writers, like so many announcers, really don't understand the game, which is sad.It's not like Sabremetrics were invented from the ether. They looked at the game and figured out what stats correlated to winning. But to old school guys, batting .300, compiling RBIs, and hitting in clutch situations is all that matters.
I would argue the exact opposite - people who look solely at the numbers don't understand the game at all. There is more to the game over the course of an entire year then the stats you can write down on a piece of paper and merge together to come up with some cool new stat that the guys in Oakland and Boston will run their team on.And because it seems to have been missed in this thread, I will repeat myself - Derek Jeter is not, nor has he ever been, the MVP of the Yankees. Mariano Rivera is, and has been for a decade. If Jeter is getting any consideration at all, Mo should get all of his votes - and more.
Looks like you're very clear about which side of the divide you're on. Don't let the numbers get in the way of anecdotal evidence and the immeasurable and questionable difference made by intangibles.
Yeah, when determining who to sign. It doesn't matter at all when determining the MVP. You realize MVP isn't completely LITERAL, right? Not what team would fall the farthest without X player.
What do you mean it doesn't matter at all for choosing an MVP? VORP is a measure of "if we replaced this guy with a replacement level player, how much would we lose?"There are few stats as good in assessing MVP candidates, IMO.
True.Baseball writers, like so many announcers, really don't understand the game, which is sad.It's not like Sabremetrics were invented from the ether. They looked at the game and figured out what stats correlated to winning. But to old school guys, batting .300, compiling RBIs, and hitting in clutch situations is all that matters.
I would argue the exact opposite - people who look solely at the numbers don't understand the game at all. There is more to the game over the course of an entire year then the stats you can write down on a piece of paper and merge together to come up with some cool new stat that the guys in Oakland and Boston will run their team on.And because it seems to have been missed in this thread, I will repeat myself - Derek Jeter is not, nor has he ever been, the MVP of the Yankees. Mariano Rivera is, and has been for a decade. If Jeter is getting any consideration at all, Mo should get all of his votes - and more.
Looks like you're very clear about which side of the divide you're on. Don't let the numbers get in the way of anecdotal evidence and the immeasurable and questionable difference made by intangibles.
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