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Big Ten Basketball 2022/2023 - Return to Power (2 Viewers)

One of those games in CBus today. Played weak all game. No one can make a shot. Too many turnovers and a hot shooting team at home in the B1G. Glad this team tasted a little defeat today. They’ll be better.

 
BroncoFreak_2K3 said:
One of those games in CBus today. Played weak all game. No one can make a shot. Too many turnovers and a hot shooting team at home in the B1G. Glad this team tasted a little defeat today. They’ll be better.
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So assuming they hold on here, isn't OSU going to be like 5-0 in the BIg Ten? Maybe they are good.

 
They looked good today but pretty one-dimensional. Diop is/was a beast. 

4 of the next 5 for MSU at home. 

 
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At least Minnesota has Jordan Murphy. Tied for first place with Tim Duncan for most games to start a season with double-doubles with 17.

 
Interesting result yesterday.  So the burning question...  How good is Ohio St?

Terps played OK for 30 minutes, then turned it on for the end.  Bruno Fernando is getting better and better.  He was absolutely ridiculous yesterday.  As long as he can stay out of foul trouble, he's a beast.  Doesn't hurt that he shoots 70% on free throws, in that it prevents the old Hack-a-Shaq philosophy.

 
Rich Conway said:
Interesting result yesterday.  So the burning question...  How good is Ohio St?
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Possibly, how good is Holtmann? 

Took the job late in the offseason.  JaQuan Lyle quit/transferred and other starters like Loving/Thompson graduated.  Lost recruits, but ended up having a nice Sept while (I think) gaining Ahrens commit back.  He did bring the 4* kid from Butler, Kyle Young.  Seems to be getting alot out of a depleted bunch right now.

 
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Cjw_55106 said:
I understand that, but after they way the U handled the football, I cant trust them at all. What I don't understand is not having a police investigation. 
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Bull Dozier said:
Several things could explain that.

I think it is just par for the course in today's current climate.
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So you MN folk can maybe expand on this, but this seems to be getting ugly. Allegedly this Abby Honold told the AD about Lynch and nothing was done? 

Link

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whoknew said:
So you MN folk can maybe expand on this, but this seems to be getting ugly. Allegedly this Abby Honold told the AD about Lynch and nothing was done? 

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In reading some of the stories, I am not sure how much stock be put in to Abby's comments on the meeting itself.  This story has a little more detail.  It sounds like she was passing on allegations from other women who never actually went to the police.  I'm not sure what the U was supposed to do with that information (essentially unsubstantiated rumor).  I don't know the details of this meeting, or how much the topic of Lynch was discussed.  Was it 30 seconds of a two hour meeting? :shrug:

That said, this story goes on to show that if the U cared at all about Lynch's behavior off the court, it seems it would have been easy to find out.  I tend to think the U cared more about his ability to play the game of basketball.  Do we really think the son of Rick Pitino is primarily motivated at running the cleanest program in the country?  Or do you think he wants to win above all else so he can get a more lucrative job at a more prestigious university?

https://www.twincities.com/2018/01/05/gophers-say-no-red-flags-with-reggie-lynch-others-call-it-worst-kept-secret/

 
Bull Dozier said:
In reading some of the stories, I am not sure how much stock be put in to Abby's comments on the meeting itself.  This story has a little more detail.  It sounds like she was passing on allegations from other women who never actually went to the police.  I'm not sure what the U was supposed to do with that information (essentially unsubstantiated rumor).  I don't know the details of this meeting, or how much the topic of Lynch was discussed.  Was it 30 seconds of a two hour meeting? :shrug:

That said, this story goes on to show that if the U cared at all about Lynch's behavior off the court, it seems it would have been easy to find out.  I tend to think the U cared more about his ability to play the game of basketball.  Do we really think the son of Rick Pitino is primarily motivated at running the cleanest program in the country?  Or do you think he wants to win above all else so he can get a more lucrative job at a more prestigious university?

https://www.twincities.com/2018/01/05/gophers-say-no-red-flags-with-reggie-lynch-others-call-it-worst-kept-secret/
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Interesting. It sounds like - at the least - what she told the AD should have sparked them to investigate further. 

Just like with the current Michigan State scandal, if she did tell the AD that she knew of other people and he didn't have some kind of investigation - seems like a pretty fireable offense.

 
Another great game ruined by replay.  They can watch the frame-by-frame of the ball leaving his hand but they need to ignore the frame-by-frame of his hand getting pulled off the ball by the defender. Awful as usual.

 
Synthesizer said:
Another great game ruined by replay.  They can watch the frame-by-frame of the ball leaving his hand but they need to ignore the frame-by-frame of his hand getting pulled off the ball by the defender. Awful as usual.
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B1G B1G B1G.

Refs are going to go with that result from replay? Then scrap replay...

 
BroncoFreak_2K3 said:
B1G B1G B1G.

Refs are going to go with that result from replay? Then scrap replay...
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Technically from the replay they made the right call.  Mathias' hand was swiping backwards towards him but the ball last touched the Michigan player's hand last.  In the spirit of the game with these types of calls it should have been Michigan's ball.  

 
whoknew said:
Interesting. It sounds like - at the least - what she told the AD should have sparked them to investigate further. 

Just like with the current Michigan State scandal, if she did tell the AD that she knew of other people and he didn't have some kind of investigation - seems like a pretty fireable offense.
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Third accusation against Lynch, stick a fork in him, he's done.

http://www.startribune.com/gophers-star-lynch-recommended-for-expulsion-in-third-sexual-assault-allegation/468501413/

 
urbanhack said:
Technically from the replay they made the right call.  Mathias' hand was swiping backwards towards him but the ball last touched the Michigan player's hand last.  In the spirit of the game with these types of calls it should have been Michigan's ball.  
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That specific play is a big problem with replay. Its always been an agreement that in that situation the offense retains the ball and they don't call a foul on the defense. 

Really sucks as a Michigan fan because, in the Big Ten this year, there aren't many opportunities for big wins. Because the Big Ten kind of stinks.

 
whoknew said:
Really sucks as a Michigan fan because, in the Big Ten this year, there aren't many opportunities for big wins. Because the Big Ten kind of stinks.
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From a national perspective you are right.  I still have a hard time not getting excited about any conference road win though; those are gold.

 
State played like hot garbage.  Glad we escaped but I’m concerned over the look of this team the last two outings. Thank goodness for Langford.

Great effort tonight by Rutgers.

 
Garrett said:
I know it's hard to try to take anything positive away from a loss, but that was a hell of a performance at a very tough place to play.
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Yeah I'm not too bummed. They've played MSU very tough now home and away and at least it takes the sting out of a couple recent WTF losses following a decent Wisconsin win.

BTW Pike got a big extension yesterday. He'll get a nice bump starting around 2020 and his buyout increased to $5MM. UConn protection, it seems. 

 
Won't be able to watch until much later, but I don't see how the Terps can hang with OSU tonight.  I read that Wiley is out with a concussion, which leaves Nickens, Tomaic, and Obi as the only bench players.  Guess I'll find out in about five hours...

 
Rich Conway said:
Won't be able to watch until much later, but I don't see how the Terps can hang with OSU tonight.  I read that Wiley is out with a concussion, which leaves Nickens, Tomaic, and Obi as the only bench players.  Guess I'll find out in about five hours...
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:yes:

 
Oof.  That did not go well.  I am very concerned about the Terps odds of making the tournament.  I'm also growing increasingly frustrated with Turgeon's offense.

 
Rich Conway said:
I'm also growing increasingly frustrated with Turgeon's offense.
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Yeah, it's starting to remind me of Gary's "flex offense" in that he won't change it to fit his personnel. I think that Williams' stubborness cost Maryland a win or two during the NCAAs in the mid-90s when he had Smith/Rhodes/et al (though no one was beating UCLA that night they dunked the Terps into oblivion). It also hurt his late 90s teams with Profit & Stevie Francis, though Francis had the good sense to say "#### it, I'm the best player on the floor" (the only time Francis showed good sense) and took over some games they needed to win badly.

He FINALLY got off of it and - shocker! - won a national championship with the Dixon/Baxter/Blake group, though he caught lightening in a bottle there. 

To be honest, I don't even know what Turgeon's offense is supposed to BE. At least I could see Gary's "flex" when it was being run, as much as it made me puke sometimes.

I was really excited for this year's squad. Losing Jackson hurt immensely; though he hadn't played well he got attention from opposing defenses. Bender also hurt more than his production would make one think. 

For this team, now, to be good they need Nickens & Wiley to shed whatever kryptonite has been messing with them the last two years.  

 
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When your rival beats the absolute living #### out of you on your own floor, and their star player fouls out with 18 seconds left and 27 points, you don't do the "See ya!" chant you ####### Izzone morons.

Embarrassing loss. I've seen teams play smarter and harder in YMCA U8 games.

 
I don't think  MSU played all that bad or didn't try. Sometimes, the other team just plays better. That was Michigan today. Fun game to watch, in any case.

 
Uruk-Hai said:
I don't think  MSU played all that bad or didn't try. Sometimes, the other team just plays better. That was Michigan today. Fun game to watch, in any case.
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MSU didn't play defense at all. It's not like Michigan was drilling tough 3s all game. They only hit 6 which is probably a season low. They didn't have to bother with 3s because they could get an uncontested layup pretty much whenever they wanted.

 
Spartans Rule said:
MSU didn't play defense at all. It's not like Michigan was drilling tough 3s all game. They only hit 6 which is probably a season low. They didn't have to bother with 3s because they could get an uncontested layup pretty much whenever they wanted.
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They weren't great today, the other team was better. There are good players and coaches all over the place. MSU isn't good enough, nor is any other team I've seen this year, to be shocked about losing to a rival. Sometimes, in a 30 game season and playing kids, you get your ### beat. 

The fan-think that "if only we had played/coached/recruited better then we'd never lose" never ceases to amaze me. Your team isn't playing in a vacuum and they don't have all of the best players. 

 
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Saw this in an article - it stinks.

Three of the Spartans’ single-play opponents in the conference are, perhaps, the three best teams in the conference not named Michigan State — Purdue, Minnesota and Michigan. The three have a combined record of 39-8. The rest of the league (not including MSU) is a combined 102-54. Michigan State will face each only once. (The only other team to avoid a home-and-home with all four top teams is Penn State. Poor Maryland, meanwhile, gets MSU, U-M and Purdue all twice apiece.)

Of those three high-profile single-play games against Purdue, Minnesota and Michigan, only one is on the road. The Spartans will play at Minnesota, but host both top-contender Purdue and rival Michigan. (Michigan State is 158-31 in Big Ten games at Breslin Center under Izzo.)

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That stinks. Not because I think MSU would lose those games, but just because the best games in the BIG this year could be MSU at Purdue or MSU at M. Those would be really fun games. 

I suspect MSU will drop a game somewhere on an off night, but I'd be really surprised if they lost ... lets say more than 2.
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Update?

 
State is a steaming pile of dog #### right now.  Surprising Izzo cant get this group motivated.  They hava along road ahead if this is the type of performance they are going to put out.  180 degree different team since that tOSU loss.

 
Jeebus, you're 16-3. You had a lead at half. It's not like the team fell off of a cliff. They got smoked by a good team in the 2nd half. It happens.

Though, it WOULD amuse me to read some "fire Izzo" hot takes about now. 

 
Michigan losing to Purdue by 1 and beating MSU by 10.  Even with the lose, showed they are a top 20 team.  No bad losses and some quality wins (UCLA, Texas, MSU).  Some pansies on the schedule hurt, but still will be a crime if they don't show up on rankings.  

 
Megaton said:
Michigan losing to Purdue by 1 and beating MSU by 10.  Even with the lose, showed they are a top 20 team.  No bad losses and some quality wins (UCLA, Texas, MSU).  Some pansies on the schedule hurt, but still will be a crime if they don't show up on rankings.  
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Im very surprised that both Michigan and tOSU haven’t made it into the top 25 yet.  Both are definitely legit. Diop playing like the B1G MVP so far 

 
Rich Conway said:
Won't be able to watch until much later, but I don't see how the Terps can hang with OSU tonight.  I read that Wiley is out with a concussion, which leaves Nickens, Tomaic, and Obi as the only bench players.  Guess I'll find out in about five hours...
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Ditto, Terps at Michigan tonight.  Wiley still probably out with the concussion.  Should be able to watch around 9:30 or so tonight.

 
Rich Conway said:
Ditto, Terps at Michigan tonight.  Wiley still probably out with the concussion.  Should be able to watch around 9:30 or so tonight.
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As a Michigan fan, this is a scary game. After the last two games - especially Saturday at MSU - I could see a big letdown. And MD is too good to let down against.

 
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