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Big Ten Basketball 2022/2023 - Return to Power (1 Viewer)

BroncoFreak_2K3

sucker for Orange
Izzo's reluctance to change with how the game has changed is frustrating as hell. That loss was on him and his coaches, as has this season been, because they lost it by not playing good sound defense, which is teachable...but apparently this team didn't get it taught to them because they didn't have it all season, and it was their ultimate downfall.
 

Keerock

Caveman
Izzo's reluctance to change with how the game has changed is frustrating as hell. That loss was on him and his coaches, as has this season been, because they lost it by not playing good sound defense, which is teachable...but apparently this team didn't get it taught to them because they didn't have it all season, and it was their ultimate downfall.
Hmmm... I thought their downfall is what it's been for years. Turnovers/ball security. I actually think their defense was better than usual this year. I love Izzo, but I get that his schtick is getting old. His sideling antics are laughable sometimes.
 

BroncoFreak_2K3

sucker for Orange
Izzo's reluctance to change with how the game has changed is frustrating as hell. That loss was on him and his coaches, as has this season been, because they lost it by not playing good sound defense, which is teachable...but apparently this team didn't get it taught to them because they didn't have it all season, and it was their ultimate downfall.
Hmmm... I thought their downfall is what it's been for years. Turnovers/ball security. I actually think their defense was better than usual this year. I love Izzo, but I get that his schtick is getting old. His sideling antics are laughable sometimes.
I think they did have a few games where their defense was very good, but not great. Always seemed to me that teams were abie to exploit them inside way too much. Lots of easy bunny shots given up. And they were certainly trending in the wrong direction heading into the B1G /NCAA Tourneys. They seemed to have gotten a better handle on it vs. USC/Marquette, but last night it was back to where they were early-midseason with too many defensive lapses and getting exploited inside. They looked lost. Granted, Novell had a ton to do with that as well.
 

Keerock

Caveman
Izzo's reluctance to change with how the game has changed is frustrating as hell. That loss was on him and his coaches, as has this season been, because they lost it by not playing good sound defense, which is teachable...but apparently this team didn't get it taught to them because they didn't have it all season, and it was their ultimate downfall.
Hmmm... I thought their downfall is what it's been for years. Turnovers/ball security. I actually think their defense was better than usual this year. I love Izzo, but I get that his schtick is getting old. His sideling antics are laughable sometimes.
I think they did have a few games where their defense was very good, but not great. Always seemed to me that teams were abie to exploit them inside way too much. Lots of easy bunny shots given up. And they were certainly trending in the wrong direction heading into the B1G /NCAA Tourneys. They seemed to have gotten a better handle on it vs. USC/Marquette, but last night it was back to where they were early-midseason with too many defensive lapses and getting exploited inside. They looked lost. Granted, Novell had a ton to do with that as well.
Plus... lack of a quality big man. Haven't had one in years...
 

BroncoFreak_2K3

sucker for Orange
Izzo's reluctance to change with how the game has changed is frustrating as hell. That loss was on him and his coaches, as has this season been, because they lost it by not playing good sound defense, which is teachable...but apparently this team didn't get it taught to them because they didn't have it all season, and it was their ultimate downfall.
Hmmm... I thought their downfall is what it's been for years. Turnovers/ball security. I actually think their defense was better than usual this year. I love Izzo, but I get that his schtick is getting old. His sideling antics are laughable sometimes.
I think they did have a few games where their defense was very good, but not great. Always seemed to me that teams were abie to exploit them inside way too much. Lots of easy bunny shots given up. And they were certainly trending in the wrong direction heading into the B1G /NCAA Tourneys. They seemed to have gotten a better handle on it vs. USC/Marquette, but last night it was back to where they were early-midseason with too many defensive lapses and getting exploited inside. They looked lost. Granted, Novell had a ton to do with that as well.
Plus... lack of a quality big man. Haven't had one in years...
Huge problem
 

Summer Wheat

Footballguy
Izzo's reluctance to change with how the game has changed is frustrating as hell. That loss was on him and his coaches, as has this season been, because they lost it by not playing good sound defense, which is teachable...but apparently this team didn't get it taught to them because they didn't have it all season, and it was their ultimate downfall.

Izzo only knows one way and he won`t change now, he can`t change.

I agree that the KSU game was on him. First of all there is no way MSU should should have played so fast as that is KSUa style of game, and Novells game. They should have tried to keep the pace slower in the low 60 point range. MSU was playing way too loose on D the whole game.

Also the last play was a disaster, the had a TV TO, and their own TO so 3-4 minutes to draw up something. It was chaos and ended that way.

i thought FA would be a cakewalk for KSU or MSU but as we saw KSU lost and I don`t think MSU would have beat them either. Way better than I expected.
 

Uruk-Hai

Footballguy
Izzo only knows one way and he won`t change now, he can`t change.
Exactly. He's caught up in his own hubris now. He'll keep winning a lot because he's a great basketball coach but, every time he loses, it'll be because of someone else and not himself. Seen it too often - this rail only runs one way.
 

Craig_MiamiFL

Footballguy
Rough rough go for the Illini in the transfer portal so far

Jayden Epps (this is a tough one and unexpected)

RJ Melendez (reportedly entered portal today). He looked lost all year. Centering the team around two transfers in Mayer/Shannon probably didn't help. Possibly Illini looking at an upgrade in portal

Skyy Clark (expected after he quit on the program after handful of games)

Brandon Lieb (probably backup big at best but another outgoing player)
 

tri-man 47

Footballguy
:kicksrock:

But I suppose I understand it, from his perspective. Michigan's two most talented young players are talented enough to maybe go first round in the draft, so the team won't be great next year. If he can pick up some significant NIL money and play for a team that might contend, why not? That doesn't mean I like it at all.
 

BroncoFreak_2K3

sucker for Orange
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UOFI_316

Footballguy
Rough rough go for the Illini in the transfer portal so far

Jayden Epps (this is a tough one and unexpected)

RJ Melendez (reportedly entered portal today). He looked lost all year. Centering the team around two transfers in Mayer/Shannon probably didn't help. Possibly Illini looking at an upgrade in portal

Skyy Clark (expected after he quit on the program after handful of games)

Brandon Lieb (probably backup big at best but another outgoing player)
Just saw all this today. Epps and Clark probably didn't like getting yelled at. I hope Melendez finds somewhere where he can get out of his own head, last year he showed potential.

We need to center the offence around Dain. Make him shoot 1000 FT a day all summer. Goode playing all year will help, Sincere needs to figure out how to play super fast on D but then scale it back a little on offense, lost track of all the point blank layups he missed being a little too out of control. Ty Rodgers with a year under his belt, let Dain start on the blocks, and then move Rodgers in.

Not sure if I want Hawkins to come back or not. For all the good things he does, not sure I can survive another year of launched 3's from 10' back and bad passes.
 

Craig_MiamiFL

Footballguy
Rough rough go for the Illini in the transfer portal so far

Jayden Epps (this is a tough one and unexpected)

RJ Melendez (reportedly entered portal today). He looked lost all year. Centering the team around two transfers in Mayer/Shannon probably didn't help. Possibly Illini looking at an upgrade in portal

Skyy Clark (expected after he quit on the program after handful of games)

Brandon Lieb (probably backup big at best but another outgoing player)
Just saw all this today. Epps and Clark probably didn't like getting yelled at. I hope Melendez finds somewhere where he can get out of his own head, last year he showed potential.

We need to center the offence around Dain. Make him shoot 1000 FT a day all summer. Goode playing all year will help, Sincere needs to figure out how to play super fast on D but then scale it back a little on offense, lost track of all the point blank layups he missed being a little too out of control. Ty Rodgers with a year under his belt, let Dain start on the blocks, and then move Rodgers in.

Not sure if I want Hawkins to come back or not. For all the good things he does, not sure I can survive another year of launched 3's from 10' back and bad passes.
Hopefully Hawkins and Shannon not knowing if stay/go doesn't hamstring Illini in portal.

They've landed a couple of solid midmajor commits so far (Harmon out of Utah Valley and Domask from SIU). Look at this years tourney and the real value in the portal so far has been in these midmajor guys. They should be solid role players. I imagine they'll make a big splash or two as combine guys come back and enter portal (if Hawkins/Shannon themselves don't come back)

RJ needs to go to a midmajor. No question. So many of these transfers go from major program to major program thinking the grass is greener....and they flop.

Yet another former Illini transfer Adam Miller (clank extraordinaire) has entered portal yet again to leave LSU. Never in my life have I seen a kid clank so many wide open shots....which obviously continued at LSU 🤣.
 

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