Big Ten Basketball 2022/2023 - Return to Power (2 Viewers)

[urbanhack]

Big match in College Park between two good teams. I haven't watched Purdue enough to know what their strengths & weaknesses are. 'Hack (or anyone), got a scouting report to share?

For Maryland, rebounding can mysteriously be an issue for one of the biggest front lines in the nation. It's like they go into group-sleep as a team sometimes. Same with 3 point shooting, though it was good to see Nickens bust out of a horrific slump against Nebraska.

MD plays hard, if not always smart. They make their FTs (I think 6'10" Diamond Stone is like 85%), which has won them a #### load of games both this season and last.

If both Stone & Robert Carter can get off early inside, it's tough for anyone to defend that team because both pass out of the post so well. Trimble needs no introduction at this point, but I have to give props to Jake Layman - who I've ridden unmercifully here and elsewhere - for playing his ### off the last couple of weeks. Sulaimon is a perpetual-motion machine who does a lot of the little things (he came from Duke, after all) even when he's not scoring.

Damonte Dodd and Jared Nickens log the most minutes off of the bench. Dodd is a 6'10" jumping jack with almost no hoops instincts, but he plays hard and gives the starters up front 10-20 minutes of rest per game. Nickens is the wild card - until last game, he has been horrific shooting the ball this year.

Anyway, looking forward to the game. Good luck & health to Purdue.

Big match in College Park between two good teams. I haven't watched Purdue enough to know what their strengths & weaknesses are. 'Hack (or anyone), got a scouting report to share?

First off, good luck today! Hoping for a great game.

Purdue's strength is down low with Hammons, Swanigan and Haas. They have yet to be out rebounded this year. They are prone to giving up points in paint from penetration and can be venerable on the break getting back on defense. In a half court setting they play really good defense lead by Davis.

Painter has been putting a defensive-heavy lineup on the floor knowing they are going to pound the ball inside. If the other team collapses inside and Purdue can't hit the 3 is where they get into trouble. Davis hit four 3's down the stretch against Nebraska, which won the game for them. Someone has steped up with a hot hand during this current streak. Hammons was an absolute monster against Nebraska (search the highlights for that one if you can)

Other odds and ends:

*Kendall Stephens has missed the last 2 or 3 games due to the death of a friend. It will be interesting to see if he gets any PT today. All he can do is shoot. He's a bad passer and a liability on defense.

*They really are lacking a true PG. Painter will rotate between Hill and Thompson all game long and stick with one of them depending on matchups. Thompson can get hot from outside, but otherwise PG is an offensive liability overall.

*Purdue also struggles defending low post players who can shoot from outside.

*I really think this team goes as Swanigan goes. If he plays within the game, he'll end up with a double double. He tends to take too many shots and turn the ball over with bad passes.

*I think Purdue will need to shoot at least 40% from three to have a chance to win today.

 

[RCon]

So I think one reason Maryland doesn't do as well as you might expect on the defensive glass is that their bigs overcommit to blocking shots, leaving themselves out of position for rebounding. I noticed this more than once in the last game, and it would explain why the Terps seem to have trouble with defensive rebounds but are perfectly fine on offensive rebounds.

Excited for the game today! Go Terps!

 

[jon_mx]

Forbes nailing 7 3-pointers in the first half and MSU keeping Mich from getting any open 3's, pretty much making this a blowout at half.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Michigan has no answers right now. Good to see.

Forbes En Fuego

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Costello ROFLMAO

 

[RCon]

Yeesh. Impressive road win for Sparty.

 

[Garrett]

That Indiana run to end the first half was one of the crazier things I've seen. I am still blown away that they finally started playing defense. They have been entertaining to watch since they learned a little D.

A lot of assumptions being made after Blackmon went out and the team dynamic/chemistry changed quite a bit.

Local folks have suggested/speculated that Blackmon and Ferrell never really gelled and don't get along as well as you would hope.

 

[Garrett]

Road win is a road win, right?

Yes, road wins are gold and they are what determines the conference champion every year.

 

[Garrett]

That was an ugly fall earlier for Shavon Shields; I'm hoping the stretcher was just precautionary and he is going to be OK.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Man, that Swanigan is tough. He knows how to use his body to get his shot off.. Fun game!

 

[boilerdave]

Man, that Swanigan is tough. He knows how to use his body to get his shot off.. Fun game!

Trimble is not having a good game... Purdue needs take advantage and win this game.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Man, that Swanigan is tough. He knows how to use his body to get his shot off.. Fun game!

Trimble is not having a good game... Purdue needs take advantage and win this game.

Melo couldn't throw the ball in the ocean, but he was magnificent on the floor. He did EVERYTHING else right.

It's biologically impossible, but I want to have Robert Carter's children,

Nice win for the Terps. Purdue is really good.

 

[RCon]

Other than Carter, no one else on either team could shoot from deep. Purdue 3-25, and Maryland outside of Carter was 0-12.

The biggest factor, though, was that Maryland's defense was absolutely terrific. Really, the only two lapses I noticed were twice when they didn't get back and let Davis score in transition (once off a made basket, ugh). Loved that they only got better down the stretch.

Let's see if they can keep it up on the 27th, at Purdue.

 

[urbanhack]

Man, that Swanigan is tough. He knows how to use his body to get his shot off.. Fun game!

Trimble is not having a good game... Purdue needs take advantage and win this game.

Melo couldn't throw the ball in the ocean, but he was magnificent on the floor. He did EVERYTHING else right.

It's biologically impossible, but I want to have Robert Carter's children,

Nice win for the Terps. Purdue is really good.

Like I said...someone from Purdue needs to step up and hit perimeter shots from the outside. Edwards should have shot it more.

Swanigan shots the ball almost every time he gets it, plays horrible defense and turns it over a lot. I love the kid, but he needs to play within the game.

Hill cannot finish, he's in a hurry to do nothing. He should have never pushed those trips down the court where he turned it over and missed layups.

Give Maryland credit for hitting enough shots (Carter!), and stepping up their post defense down the stretch. Tough loss as they had a chance to pull it off with better shot selection and not turning the ball over.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Both Purdue & MD missed a ton of open shots. I think the difference was that Trimble played his ### off in every other aspect of the game.

Was Carter the only MD player to hit a 3?

 

[urbanhack]

Both Purdue & MD missed a ton of open shots. I think the difference was that Trimble played his ### off in every other aspect of the game.

Was Carter the only MD player to hit a 3?

Agreed. Trimble was able to penetrate and hit a few shots down the stretch and dished off for some nice assists. Purdue doesn't have anyone on the roster who can do this.

Congrats. Fun game for 38 minutes.

 

[swirvenirvin]

domination from MSU

 

[RCon]

Was Carter the only MD player to hit a 3?

The bad news... yes. The good news... he hit four of them!

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Both Purdue & MD missed a ton of open shots. I think the difference was that Trimble played his ### off in every other aspect of the game.

Was Carter the only MD player to hit a 3?

Agreed. Trimble was able to penetrate and hit a few shots down the stretch and dished off for some nice assists. Purdue doesn't have anyone on the roster who can do this.

Congrats. Fun game for 38 minutes.

There's a rematch, right?

 

[RCon]

Three weeks from today, same time, different gym. Should be another great one.

 

[The General]

Hoosiers with a turnover a minute.

 

[Garrett]

Hoosiers with a turnover a minute.

This isn't going to be a problem.

 

[The General]

Hoosiers with a turnover a minute.

This isn't going to be a problem.

Hope not. They are sloppy as hell right now though.

This game audio is so bad on the Big10 network broadcast. There are a couple of kids that are almost as loud as the announcers

 

[Garrett]

Hoosiers with a turnover a minute.

This isn't going to be a problem.

Hope not. They are sloppy as hell right now though.

This game audio is so bad on the Big10 network broadcast. There are a couple of kids that are almost as loud as the announcers

Yeah, it is pretty bad audio.

 

[urbanhack]

Both Purdue & MD missed a ton of open shots. I think the difference was that Trimble played his ### off in every other aspect of the game.

Was Carter the only MD player to hit a 3?

Agreed. Trimble was able to penetrate and hit a few shots down the stretch and dished off for some nice assists. Purdue doesn't have anyone on the roster who can do this.

Congrats. Fun game for 38 minutes.

There's a rematch, right?

Yes.

 

[The General]

Penn ST IU coming down to the wire per usual.

 

[The General]

Three consecutive 3 point trips for Penn St.

 

[Garrett]

Hoosiers with a turnover a minute.

This isn't going to be a problem.

 

[The General]

Hoosiers with a turnover a minute.

This isn't going to be a problem.

They always make Penn St look good for some reason.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I don't know much (or even understand) all of these advanced stats, but I read that Robert Carter has the #1 PER in the Big Ten.

So, how many NCAAT bids for the conference?

Iowa, MD, MSU, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan? Maybe Wisconsin if they get hot to close the season?

 

[jon_mx]

RPI wise, Michigan and Induana are bubble teams and Wisconsin is within striking distance of getting on the bubble. As long as Indiana keeps a good conference record (11 wins), they will make it. Michigan can't afford any losses to the lower tier teams and needs a good win. Wisconsin needs a couple of wins against the top-tier teams.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

RPI wise, Michigan and Induana are bubble teams and Wisconsin is within striking distance of getting on the bubble. As long as Indiana keeps a good conference record (11 wins), they will make it. Michigan can't afford any losses to the lower tier teams and needs a good win. Wisconsin needs a couple of wins against the top-tier teams.

CBS' bracketology had them as, IIRC, a #7 and a #8 on Friday. I'm not saying to take that as gospel, but that's far away from the bubble.

eta: Indiana & Michigan is who I'm referencing above

 

[jon_mx]

RPI wise, Michigan and Induana are bubble teams and Wisconsin is within striking distance of getting on the bubble. As long as Indiana keeps a good conference record (11 wins), they will make it. Michigan can't afford any losses to the lower tier teams and needs a good win. Wisconsin needs a couple of wins against the top-tier teams.

CBS' bracketology had them as, IIRC, a #7 and a #8 on Friday. I'm not saying to take that as gospel, but that's far away from the bubble.eta: Indiana & Michigan is who I'm referencing above

Michigan getting blown out twice in a row even to a good teams and Indiana losing to PSU should have them in the 10th-11th range now.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

RPI wise, Michigan and Induana are bubble teams and Wisconsin is within striking distance of getting on the bubble. As long as Indiana keeps a good conference record (11 wins), they will make it. Michigan can't afford any losses to the lower tier teams and needs a good win. Wisconsin needs a couple of wins against the top-tier teams.

CBS' bracketology had them as, IIRC, a #7 and a #8 on Friday. I'm not saying to take that as gospel, but that's far away from the bubble.eta: Indiana & Michigan is who I'm referencing above

Michigan getting blown out twice in a row even to a good teams and Indiana losing to PSU should have them in the 10th-11th range now.

Oh, they both can play their way out. I think the lack of competition in the smaller conferences will end up helping both (& maybe Wisc, too) overcome less than stellar resumes.

 

[jon_mx]

RPI wise, Michigan and Induana are bubble teams and Wisconsin is within striking distance of getting on the bubble. As long as Indiana keeps a good conference record (11 wins), they will make it. Michigan can't afford any losses to the lower tier teams and needs a good win. Wisconsin needs a couple of wins against the top-tier teams.

CBS' bracketology had them as, IIRC, a #7 and a #8 on Friday. I'm not saying to take that as gospel, but that's far away from the bubble.eta: Indiana & Michigan is who I'm referencing above

Michigan getting blown out twice in a row even to a good teams and Indiana losing to PSU should have them in the 10th-11th range now.

Oh, they both can play their way out. I think the lack of competition in the smaller conferences will end up helping both (& maybe Wisc, too) overcome less than stellar resumes.

They all three could make it or they all three could miss it. Right now, only 4 teams are solidly in.

 

[RCon]

There's lots of basketball left, so a lot can happen. The B1G tourney itself can alter fortunes pretty quickly.

I'll say seven bids, and wait 'till next year for Northwestern.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

There's lots of basketball left, so a lot can happen. The B1G tourney itself can alter fortunes pretty quickly.

I'll say seven bids, and wait 'till next year for Northwestern.

This is where I think I'm leaning, too (barring catastrophe). NW is interesting because their overall record is decent, but their RPI sucks and they haven't done well in-league. However, they have some good players and it seems Collins may have a little something building there.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I probably posted it here in the preseason, but I was extremely concerned about how Maryland was going to replace Dez Wells' leadership/grit/want-to-take-the-last-shot. Sulaimon and Carter have filled that role and then some.

I also have to give Turgeon a lot of credit. He's adjusted under difficult circumstances (Gary's late retirement, 45 million transfers) and, it seems, finally has a team he's comfortable with. I loved his post-game comment yesterday about calling that TO with 6 minutes left and telling his players that he'd been over-coaching the game. Basically saying "I've tried to do too much; you guys know what's working - go do it".

 

[RCon]

If I remember this correctly, the top 4 get a double bye, while the next 6 get a single bye. By today's standings, that would put Wisconsin against Northwestern on Thursday (and Michigan against Illinois, if Illinois wins the opener). Whoever those 6 and 7 seeds are, they may well have to win that first game. A neutral court win against a decent RPI team like Northwestern or Illinois helps in and of itself, plus the RPI SOS benefit of getting to play Iowa/Maryland/Indiana/Michigan St./Purdue in the next game is an added bonus, even if they lose. On KenPom, of course, they'd have to avoid getting blown out against one of those top five for the benefit to accrue.

Northwestern's schedule is interesting. Their only remaining games against the top six are road trips to Purdue and Michigan. It's not out of the question that they could go 6-1 the rest of the way to finish 10-8 in conference. Winning at Purdue would be a big feather, as otherwise they wouldn't have a single "statement win" going into the B1G tourney. Say they do go 6-1, losing at Purdue, then go 1-1 in the tourney... Could you really keep a 23-10 team power-five team out? I guess Virginia Tech says hello, but that could get interesting.

Wisconsin's schedule is fun in the opposite way. They still play at Maryland, at Michigan St., at Iowa, at Purdue, and home against Michigan. Find a way to win two of those, win the others that they "should win", and they're clearly in at 11-7 in conference.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

The Dan Dakich B1G Power Index took a hammering this weekend

 

[Uruk-Hai]

The Dan Dakich B1G Power Index took a hammering this weekend

He did the Purdue/MD game yesterday. There are very few commentators that piss me off, but he's one of them.

 

[RCon]

Yeah, I really don't get how he considered Indiana as the best B1G team, even before yesterday. Really? Compared to what Iowa has done so far?

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

The Dan Dakich B1G Power Index took a hammering this weekend

He did the Purdue/MD game yesterday. There are very few commentators that piss me off, but he's one of them.

Lil Dakich looked like he'd powerslammed a couple liters of Jolt pregame and was trying to win a Natty out there down 30 with 90 seconds to go.

Looking forward to Tuesday v. Purdue.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

If I heard Dakich say "jump stop" (that may not be the phrase exactly, but it's close - he KEPT repeating it) one more time, I was gonna text Gary Williams to down 17 scotch & sodas in 5 minutes (piece of cake for him), get Billy Hahn to drive him to Xfinity, and punch that dude in the mouth

 

[The General]

Indiana is mediocre but they are in unless they lose 4 of last 5 and then in first round of Big10 Tourney...which they are capable of doing.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

If I heard Dakich say "jump stop" (that may not be the phrase exactly, but it's close - he KEPT repeating it) one more time, I was gonna text Gary Williams to down 17 scotch & sodas in 5 minutes (piece of cake for him), get Billy Hahn to drive him to Xfinity, and punch that dude in the mouth

Lol.

 

[whoknew]

Yeah, I really don't get how he considered Indiana as the best B1G team, even before yesterday. Really? Compared to what Iowa has done so far?

Yes Iowa is clearly the best team this far.

 

[whoknew]

I don't know much (or even understand) all of these advanced stats, but I read that Robert Carter has the #1 PER in the Big Ten.

So, how many NCAAT bids for the conference?

Iowa, MD, MSU, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan? Maybe Wisconsin if they get hot to close the season?

A week ago, I thought Michigan was a guaranty. Now? I don't know. They are going to need a few wins down the stretch. And who knows what the hell LeVert is going to do. 6 weeks with a damn sprained ankle.

 

[whoknew]

I don't know much (or even understand) all of these advanced stats, but I read that Robert Carter has the #1 PER in the Big Ten.

So, how many NCAAT bids for the conference?

Iowa, MD, MSU, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan? Maybe Wisconsin if they get hot to close the season?

A week ago, I thought Michigan was a guaranty. Now? I don't know. They are going to need a few wins down the stretch. And who knows what the hell LeVert is going to do. 6 weeks with a damn sprained ankle.

To expand on this a little - either LeVert needs to toughen up or we need to figure out what the hell is going on with the ####### Michigan medical staff.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

No offense No defense for State right now. We've come back in games like this but we have lots of adjustments to make. Really needed to get it down to 10 by half. Didn't happen. Looking forward to a war the 2nd half. Hopefully TV Teddy doesn't take over the game.