Big Ten Basketball 2022/2023 - Return to Power (2 Viewers)

[Spartans Rule]

Michigan State's 2000 national title team lost to Wright State. I'm not too concerned about a road loss to a bubble team.

Not saying MSU is as good as UK or UNC. But they may not have to be to reach the Final Four. They certainly still have a shot at a No.1 seed.

 

[cj*]

It will be interesting to see how the Big Ten fares this year. I could see a number of teams making it to the sweet 16 but noone stands out for me to make a final four run.

I may be biased, but one team stands out to me.

Are you talking about the team that has lost to NW, IL, and Scum since early january? And already proved they couldnt beat duke or unc. I agree they are the best shot that the big 10 has at advancing but I don't think they are good enough to be called elite. I still think UK and UNC are the best teams in the country and will walk over any Big 10 team in their way.

You must not watch very much college basketball. Every year there are numerous teams who look lost early that improve by leaps and bounds.

I watch a ton of college bball and great teams dont lose to northwestern, good teams do.

Well, I stand corrected! This isn't 1983, Northwestern is a decent team.

Northwesterns 7 big 10 wins are against... PSUx2, ILL, Iowa, MSU, Nebraska, Minn I count one quality win there. Northwestern is what they always are.

In games against the upper tier of the big 10:

Lost to OSU by 33

Lost to wisky by 20

Lost to Scum in ot twice

Lost to Purdue by 2 and 10

Beat msu by 7

 

[cj*]

Michigan State's 2000 national title team lost to Wright State. I'm not too concerned about a road loss to a bubble team.Not saying MSU is as good as UK or UNC. But they may not have to be to reach the Final Four. They certainly still have a shot at a No.1 seed.

I agree with you. I think they are solidly in the group behind UK, UNC, and syracuse. KU, MIzzou, Duke, and MSU are who I would put in the second tier. I think there is a decent sized gap between tier 1 and 2 though.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

It will be interesting to see how the Big Ten fares this year. I could see a number of teams making it to the sweet 16 but noone stands out for me to make a final four run.

I may be biased, but one team stands out to me.

Are you talking about the team that has lost to NW, IL, and Scum since early january? And already proved they couldnt beat duke or unc. I agree they are the best shot that the big 10 has at advancing but I don't think they are good enough to be called elite. I still think UK and UNC are the best teams in the country and will walk over any Big 10 team in their way.

You must not watch very much college basketball. Every year there are numerous teams who look lost early that improve by leaps and bounds.

I watch a ton of college bball and great teams dont lose to northwestern, good teams do.

Well, I stand corrected! This isn't 1983, Northwestern is a decent team.

Northwesterns 7 big 10 wins are against... PSUx2, ILL, Iowa, MSU, Nebraska, Minn I count one quality win there. Northwestern is what they always are.

In games against the upper tier of the big 10:

Lost to OSU by 33

Lost to wisky by 20

Lost to Scum in ot twice

Lost to Purdue by 2 and 10

Beat msu by 7

Funny how you left out the pre-conference wins.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Michigan State's 2000 national title team lost to Wright State. I'm not too concerned about a road loss to a bubble team.Not saying MSU is as good as UK or UNC. But they may not have to be to reach the Final Four. They certainly still have a shot at a No.1 seed.

I agree with you. I think they are solidly in the group behind UK, UNC, and syracuse. KU, MIzzou, Duke, and MSU are who I would put in the second tier. I think there is a decent sized gap between tier 1 and 2 though.

UK appears to be the best team in the country, but I'll play Devil's advocate and say that the SEC is not near as good of a conference as everyone expected.UNC under Roy Williams routinely skates through the regular season not playing D, and then decide to turn it up come tourney time. We'll have to wait and see. The talent is there.Syracuse is a fraud IMO. Typical Boeheim cake schedule in the pre-conference and the Big East is down significantly this year.Missouri is a good team, but come tournament time, the TV timeouts and advertisements tend to be a ##### for the "running" teams nowadays. I like Kansas. I'm not sure there is a coach in the country who gets better isolation sets on his post offense than Bill Self. And, Self doesn't deviate from his game plan just because it's not working in the 1st half. Duke... Their weakness is against athletic teams... will depend on match-ups.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Michigan State's 2000 national title team lost to Wright State. I'm not too concerned about a road loss to a bubble team.Not saying MSU is as good as UK or UNC. But they may not have to be to reach the Final Four. They certainly still have a shot at a No.1 seed.

I agree with you. I think they are solidly in the group behind UK, UNC, and syracuse. KU, MIzzou, Duke, and MSU are who I would put in the second tier. I think there is a decent sized gap between tier 1 and 2 though.

I dont think whatever gap you're talking about is that sizable on a neutral court.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Michigan State's 2000 national title team lost to Wright State. I'm not too concerned about a road loss to a bubble team.Not saying MSU is as good as UK or UNC. But they may not have to be to reach the Final Four. They certainly still have a shot at a No.1 seed.

I agree with you. I think they are solidly in the group behind UK, UNC, and syracuse. KU, MIzzou, Duke, and MSU are who I would put in the second tier. I think there is a decent sized gap between tier 1 and 2 though.

I dont think whatever gap you're talking about is that sizable on a neutral court.

I'd take MSU over Duke, Missouri and Syracuse, and maybe North Carolina. North Carolina is the toughest team to read for me... for reasons I stated above.

 

[wadegarrett]

Very entertaining game but a terrible loss by the Buckeyes. TOs in the 1st half and missed FTs in the 2nd half. Look like a completely different team from the one in November. Can see them getting bounced in the quarters or semis of the B1G tourney easily.

ETA: Matta threw the team out of practice yesterday. Not a good sign with March right around the corner.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Very entertaining game but a terrible loss by the Buckeyes. TOs in the 1st half and missed FTs in the 2nd half. Look like a completely different team from the one in November. Can see them getting bounced in the quarters or semis of the B1G tourney easily.

ETA: Matta threw the team out of practice yesterday. Not a good sign with March right around the corner.

I didn't hear that, but not surprised. I try to look at things as the glass being half full, so maybe this will be the "Come to Jesus" moment and guys will start listening. I don't know about you, but I was the biggest Sullinger fan in the world coming in because I liked his style of play.... now, I see a guy who hasn't really improved his game other than the 3 point shot, which means nothing to Ohio State. I was glad to see Matta jerk him after he started whining to the refs 2 minutes into the game. Seriously. You have no credibility when you whine to the refs 2 minutes into the game. Matta jerked him quick and he sat for an extended period of time and I noticed that he bit his tongue the rest of the game.

As a glass half full guy, this is what I was looking for from Matta. He jerked Buford against Michigan and gave him a tongue lashing and jerked Sullinger early today. Send a message.

It would be nice if any of the bench guys could come in and put the ball in the hoop. Ravenel, Scott, and Thompson are blanks on the offensive end.

Look at it this way, can things get any worse?

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Btw, kudos to Wisconsin. They came to play and didn't back down.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Look like a completely different team from the one in November. Can see them getting bounced in the quarters or semis of the B1G tourney easily.

Gotta agree. Was actually thinking this throughout the Wisky game today. They have really fallen apart over the last month.

 

[cj*]

It will be interesting to see how the Big Ten fares this year. I could see a number of teams making it to the sweet 16 but noone stands out for me to make a final four run.

I may be biased, but one team stands out to me.

Are you talking about the team that has lost to NW, IL, and Scum since early january? And already proved they couldnt beat duke or unc. I agree they are the best shot that the big 10 has at advancing but I don't think they are good enough to be called elite. I still think UK and UNC are the best teams in the country and will walk over any Big 10 team in their way.

You must not watch very much college basketball. Every year there are numerous teams who look lost early that improve by leaps and bounds.

I watch a ton of college bball and great teams dont lose to northwestern, good teams do.

Well, I stand corrected! This isn't 1983, Northwestern is a decent team.

Northwesterns 7 big 10 wins are against... PSUx2, ILL, Iowa, MSU, Nebraska, Minn I count one quality win there. Northwestern is what they always are.

In games against the upper tier of the big 10:

Lost to OSU by 33

Lost to wisky by 20

Lost to Scum in ot twice

Lost to Purdue by 2 and 10

Beat msu by 7

Funny how you left out the pre-conference wins.

LSU 17-11 7-7 sec I count 1 win against a ranked team in Mississippi state.

Georgia Tech 10-18 3-11 acc Beat a good vcu team as their only real quality win.

Seton Hall 19-10 8-9 big east Probably their best preconference win

Are those quality wins?

 

[Garrett]

I still think UK and UNC are the best teams in the country and will walk over any Big 10 team in their way.

Really?Both of those teams would have some additional losses if they were playing in the BigTen.

 

[ArbyMelt]

It will be interesting to see how the Big Ten fares this year. I could see a number of teams making it to the sweet 16 but noone stands out for me to make a final four run.

I may be biased, but one team stands out to me.

Are you talking about the team that has lost to NW, IL, and Scum since early january? And already proved they couldnt beat duke or unc. I agree they are the best shot that the big 10 has at advancing but I don't think they are good enough to be called elite. I still think UK and UNC are the best teams in the country and will walk over any Big 10 team in their way.

You must not watch very much college basketball. Every year there are numerous teams who look lost early that improve by leaps and bounds.

I watch a ton of college bball and great teams dont lose to northwestern, good teams do.

Well, I stand corrected! This isn't 1983, Northwestern is a decent team.

Northwesterns 7 big 10 wins are against... PSUx2, ILL, Iowa, MSU, Nebraska, Minn I count one quality win there. Northwestern is what they always are.

In games against the upper tier of the big 10:

Lost to OSU by 33

Lost to wisky by 20

Lost to Scum in ot twice

Lost to Purdue by 2 and 10

Beat msu by 7

Funny how you left out the pre-conference wins.

LSU 17-11 7-7 sec I count 1 win against a ranked team in Mississippi state.

Georgia Tech 10-18 3-11 acc Beat a good vcu team as their only real quality win.

Seton Hall 19-10 8-9 big east Probably their best preconference win

Are those quality wins?

If Northwestern didn't choke a few wins away (both Michigan games, and Illinois and Purdue at home), they are ranked in the top 20. Of course they live and die by their 3 pt shooting, but if they are on, they can beat anyone (like they did against Mich St). Their worst losses are Minnesota and Illinois, two teams that just fell off the bubble. They are probably the only bubble team out there that has no really bad losses. They still play at Iowa (outside the top 100 RPI), so there is a chance they will get a bad loss.

 

[urbanhack]

I would really like to see Northwestern make the tournament. I think they would be tough to beat and could make it the sweet 16 depending on their matchups.

 

[Keerock]

I would really like to see Northwestern make the tournament. I think they would be tough to beat and could make it the sweet 16 depending on their matchups.

They are basically a slightly less talented version of UofM. Shoots the three and plays decent defense. That combo can beat anyone at any given time... so if they get hot, they could make a run.

 

[Garrett]

Can anyone explain to me why Georgetown is a top 10 team in the polls?

 

[cj*]

I would really like to see Northwestern make the tournament. I think they would be tough to beat and could make it the sweet 16 depending on their matchups.

I would love to see Northwestern make it just because they have never been in the tourney, but I dont think they have enough quality wins to get them in.

 

[cj*]

It will be interesting to see how the Big Ten fares this year. I could see a number of teams making it to the sweet 16 but noone stands out for me to make a final four run.

I may be biased, but one team stands out to me.

Are you talking about the team that has lost to NW, IL, and Scum since early january? And already proved they couldnt beat duke or unc. I agree they are the best shot that the big 10 has at advancing but I don't think they are good enough to be called elite. I still think UK and UNC are the best teams in the country and will walk over any Big 10 team in their way.

You must not watch very much college basketball. Every year there are numerous teams who look lost early that improve by leaps and bounds.

I watch a ton of college bball and great teams dont lose to northwestern, good teams do.

Well, I stand corrected! This isn't 1983, Northwestern is a decent team.

Northwesterns 7 big 10 wins are against... PSUx2, ILL, Iowa, MSU, Nebraska, Minn I count one quality win there. Northwestern is what they always are.

In games against the upper tier of the big 10:

Lost to OSU by 33

Lost to wisky by 20

Lost to Scum in ot twice

Lost to Purdue by 2 and 10

Beat msu by 7

Funny how you left out the pre-conference wins.

LSU 17-11 7-7 sec I count 1 win against a ranked team in Mississippi state.

Georgia Tech 10-18 3-11 acc Beat a good vcu team as their only real quality win.

Seton Hall 19-10 8-9 big east Probably their best preconference win

Are those quality wins?

If Northwestern didn't choke a few wins away (both Michigan games, and Illinois and Purdue at home), they are ranked in the top 20. Of course they live and die by their 3 pt shooting, but if they are on, they can beat anyone (like they did against Mich St). Their worst losses are Minnesota and Illinois, two teams that just fell off the bubble. They are probably the only bubble team out there that has no really bad losses. They still play at Iowa (outside the top 100 RPI), so there is a chance they will get a bad loss.

Lost by 30+ to osuLost by 20 to wisky

lost by 28 to baylor

lost by 20+ to minnesota (this is the one that is going to kill them)

They played some teams close but only have the one signature win against MSU.

Compare them to Illinois:

Illinois 17-12 and 6-10 in the big 10

Signature wins: MSU, OSU, Gonzaga (also lost to missouri by 4)

Bad Losses: Minn, PSU, Nebraska (this is the killer one)

Illinois conference record will kill them come selection sunday unless they can get another signature win vs Wisky or scum, but I feel they are a much more dangerous team than Northwestern. If Northwestern can beat OSU this week, they will most likely get in due to conference record.

 

[Garrett]

Camp Crean

Indiana fans camping out at sunrise for the game on ESPN tonight, getting excited.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Camp Crean

Indiana fans camping out at sunrise for the game on ESPN tonight, getting excited.

My initial thought is that MSU drops this one, but wins at home against ohio. I know Crean really wants this one, bad.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

CJ, can you please explain if it's "quality" wins or "signature" wins that a team needs. You started with quality, then went to signature. I'd just like some clarification.

Also, can you please explain why Gonzaga is considered a "signature" win.

Thanks

ETA: Also, Why didn't you include the blowout losses that Illinois has suffered?

And, for the record, Illinois lost to Nebraska twice.... the 2nd time Illinois lost 80 to 57. Yes, 80 to 57 to Nebraska.

I'm not here to discuss Illinois, just trying to understand your logic.

 

[The General]

Camp Crean

Indiana fans camping out at sunrise for the game on ESPN tonight, getting excited.

My initial thought is that MSU drops this one, but wins at home against ohio. I know Crean really wants this one, bad.

Should be a great game. Would love to see IU pull this one out but can't see it with the way MSU has been playing lately.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Camp Crean

Indiana fans camping out at sunrise for the game on ESPN tonight, getting excited.

My initial thought is that MSU drops this one, but wins at home against ohio. I know Crean really wants this one, bad.

Should be a great game. Would love to see IU pull this one out but can't see it with the way MSU has been playing lately.

These are the types of games State can have a let down in. Believe me, I hope they do win it tonight so that there is no share for the Title, would love for Sunday's game with ohio to be meaningless. State does have a lot of mo right now and seems to be firing on all cylinders (especially the defense), but Indy playing at home is always tough. Throw in the fact that Crean is an Izzo protege rebuilding the program, this has the makings of a potential of another signature win for his program at this juncture.State always seems to have a hiccup along the way when they put together a long series of wins. Hopefully those hiccups were the 2 earlier 1-pt loses @ UM and @ IL.

Can't wait

 

[Garrett]

Camp Crean

Indiana fans camping out at sunrise for the game on ESPN tonight, getting excited.

My initial thought is that MSU drops this one, but wins at home against ohio. I know Crean really wants this one, bad.

Should be a great game. Would love to see IU pull this one out but can't see it with the way MSU has been playing lately.

These are the types of games State can have a let down in. Believe me, I hope they do win it tonight so that there is no share for the Title, would love for Sunday's game with ohio to be meaningless. State does have a lot of mo right now and seems to be firing on all cylinders (especially the defense), but Indy playing at home is always tough. Throw in the fact that Crean is an Izzo protege rebuilding the program, this has the makings of a potential of another signature win for his program at this juncture.State always seems to have a hiccup along the way when they put together a long series of wins. Hopefully those hiccups were the 2 earlier 1-pt loses @ UM and @ IL.

Can't wait

Do you happen to know if Nix is fully healthy? I heard he had some ankle trouble, but it sounded like it was nothing that would keep him from playing? I think if he is limited or can't play 100% that hurts MSU a great deal.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Camp Crean

Indiana fans camping out at sunrise for the game on ESPN tonight, getting excited.

My initial thought is that MSU drops this one, but wins at home against ohio. I know Crean really wants this one, bad.

Should be a great game. Would love to see IU pull this one out but can't see it with the way MSU has been playing lately.

These are the types of games State can have a let down in. Believe me, I hope they do win it tonight so that there is no share for the Title, would love for Sunday's game with ohio to be meaningless. State does have a lot of mo right now and seems to be firing on all cylinders (especially the defense), but Indy playing at home is always tough. Throw in the fact that Crean is an Izzo protege rebuilding the program, this has the makings of a potential of another signature win for his program at this juncture.State always seems to have a hiccup along the way when they put together a long series of wins. Hopefully those hiccups were the 2 earlier 1-pt loses @ UM and @ IL.

Can't wait

Do you happen to know if Nix is fully healthy? I heard he had some ankle trouble, but it sounded like it was nothing that would keep him from playing? I think if he is limited or can't play 100% that hurts MSU a great deal.

Nothing mentioned up here that I'm aware of. It would just mean you'd see a little more of Paine, maybe a bit more of Gauna. I doubt he'll miss any bit of his normal rotation.These guys are totally taking their cues from Izzo, no mention of a Big Ten Title in the locker room right now, from what I've read. The want the outright title, that's what Izzo is preaching. Interestingly, if they do win the outright title, Draymond Green and Austin Thornton would be the only two players in school history to win two outright championships (it would be MSU's 6th outright, and 14th overall).

ETA: Just looked at another forum. Word is as of yesterday, Izzo thought Nix would play. Probably wont hear anything else until radio pregame.

 

[SayWhat?]

Very entertaining game but a terrible loss by the Buckeyes. TOs in the 1st half and missed FTs in the 2nd half. Look like a completely different team from the one in November. Can see them getting bounced in the quarters or semis of the B1G tourney easily.

ETA: Matta threw the team out of practice yesterday. Not a good sign with March right around the corner.

I didn't hear that, but not surprised. I try to look at things as the glass being half full, so maybe this will be the "Come to Jesus" moment and guys will start listening. I don't know about you, but I was the biggest Sullinger fan in the world coming in because I liked his style of play.... now, I see a guy who hasn't really improved his game other than the 3 point shot, which means nothing to Ohio State. I was glad to see Matta jerk him after he started whining to the refs 2 minutes into the game. Seriously. You have no credibility when you whine to the refs 2 minutes into the game. Matta jerked him quick and he sat for an extended period of time and I noticed that he bit his tongue the rest of the game.

As a glass half full guy, this is what I was looking for from Matta. He jerked Buford against Michigan and gave him a tongue lashing and jerked Sullinger early today. Send a message.

It would be nice if any of the bench guys could come in and put the ball in the hoop. Ravenel, Scott, and Thompson are blanks on the offensive end.

Look at it this way, can things get any worse?

Ummm, you could have Tubby Smith as your coach?

 

[Spartans Rule]

MSU is a 3-point favorite tonight, which kinda surprised me. Tough road game against a team that's pretty good at home. I think the smart money is on Indiana to at least cover if not win.

Fun stat: The last 5 times Izzo has won at least a share of the Big Ten title, MSU has reached the Final Four. The only time in his tenure State won the Big Ten but did not make the Final Four was 1998.

 

[urbanhack]

MSU by 5

 

[GreatLakesMike]

MSU pulling an Ohio State and bricking too many open looks.

 

[Garrett]

MSU has no answer for Oladipo at the perimeter; I hope that ankle injury doesn't keep him out the 2nd half.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Well, there's that once a year 3 second call.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Complete BS call...

LOL at FT numbers...Indy 16-18, MSU 2-5...

Seen this type of start before. I expect State to come out and have a much better second half. Gonna be a well earned win though if they can some how pull it out.

 

[The General]

Great 1st half by IU. Green for MSU was killing Watford, if not for that guy IU would be up by 20. IU has had a hard time keeping leads this year so 2nd half should be exciting.

MSU racked up a ton of fouls as well. If IU keeps driving then they are going to h e problems late in the game.

 

[The General]

MSU has no answer for Oladipo at the perimeter; I hope that ankle injury doesn't keep him out the 2nd half.

He looked the best he has all year in that 1st half. Looked ok after he came back in. Hopefully that ankle doesn't tighten up at halftime. When he drives like that with Zeller and either Hulls or Roth on the court IU is tough.

 

[Spartans Rule]

I gotta question leaving Adreian Payne on the bench the whole first half with 2 fouls. His defensive presence is critical to stopping IU's penetration. They're doing a much better job now that he's back, but they're too far behind.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Wow, officiating is abyssmal on both sides...Zellers foot was a foot away from the bounds line and the total blown call ball out of bounds off Green's shoe...

 

[Garrett]

Win or lose this game, what Draymond Green is doing is very impressive. Kid is a warrior.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Way too many turnovers and missed bunny shots by State. Green can't do it alone.

 

[Garrett]

Way too many turnovers and missed bunny shots by State. Green can't do it alone.

Yeah, and to take that a step further Indiana is out rebounding MSU and preventing any put backs or resets off those misses.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Way too many turnovers and missed bunny shots by State. Green can't do it alone.

Yeah, and to take that a step further Indiana is out rebounding MSU and preventing any put backs or resets off those misses.

One and done all night so far.Green with 27 of State's 44 so far

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Way too many turnovers and missed bunny shots by State. Green can't do it alone.

Particularly the missed bunnies.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Zeller is beating the MSU big men down the court and getting inside position on the block. There's not much you can do once that happens. Izzo might want to call off the dogs crashing the glass on the offensive end.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

If State can't get to the line fairly quickly, I don't think they can make enough of a comeback to make it close at the end. Shooting is so off tonight.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Zeller is beating the MSU big men down the court and getting inside position on the block. There's not much you can do once that happens. Izzo might want to call off the dogs crashing the glass on the offensive end.

There's no way Nix can cover Zeller.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Izzo might want to call off the dogs crashing the glass on the offensive end.

It'll be a cold day in hell...

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Absolutely no ####### rebounding...

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Looks like I'll have to wait until Sunday for the outright. Good game and congrats to the Hoosiers. Totally out played everyone except Green tonight.

This win should really help their tourney seeding. 3 wins over top 5 teams.

 

[The Commish]

What's the point of fouling NOW?

 

[The General]

Great win IU. After the past few years it's so hard to believe that they are good again.