Bill Nye To Debate Creationist At Creation Museum February 4th (1 Viewer)

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Watching this it makes me feel sad that Nye has to be on the stage with this guy.

 

[cstu]

Science and religion should not be at odds.

If you believe that god created man, then god created scientists.

Right. If you think that God created the universe, then you ought to note that He created an intelligible universe. He obviously doesn't have any problems with us understanding how it works.

I'm not very concerned with the origin of the universe and whether it was God or some random event that caused it. What I fail to see is God's involvement in the universe after its creation. Creationists (who I classify as people who take the creation story in the Bible literally) can't explain everything that science has discovered other than making some ridiculous argument about God playing tricks on people.

 

[LinusMarr]

Watching this it makes me feel sad that Nye has to be on the stage with this guy.

Nye is nerd....

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Watching this it makes me feel sad that Nye has to be on the stage with this guy.

Nye is nerd....

But he had a motorcycle.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Science and religion should not be at odds.

If you believe that god created man, then god created scientists.

Right. If you think that God created the universe, then you ought to note that He created an intelligible universe. He obviously doesn't have any problems with us understanding how it works.

I'm not very concerned with the origin of the universe and whether it was God or some random event that caused it. What I fail to see is God's involvement in the universe after its creation. Creationists (who I classify as people who take the creation story in the Bible literally) can't explain everything that science has discovered other than making some ridiculous argument about God playing tricks on people.

Sure we can. Although you have to admit that some of the tricks are really cool. You want to turn water into wine, don't say you don't. Imagine the potential in college.

 

[Mene]

Thing is - even Ken Ham, On The Rocks, whoever - no one believed 100% of the Bible is literally true.

I do.

In some places, it's pretty obvious that the Bible is not meant to be taken literally. The New Testament refers to Jesus as a "rock," for example. That's figurative, not literal. In other places, like Genesis 1-3, it's obvious to some (including me) that it's meant to be taken figuratively as an allegory, while it's obvious to others that it's meant to be taken literally as history.

But I don't think anyone believes that everything is meant to be taken literally, including all the parables and stuff.

This is my problem with the bible. What you consider to be "pretty obvious", is not to many. The bible is so full of seemingly impossible, vague, and open to interpretation, stories that it cannot possibly be used as an explanation for anything. What is fact, what is allegorical, which parts matter, which parts don't... it all is interpreted differently from religion to religion, and from person to person. Then you have to factor in the multiple translations, the amount of influence that has been exacted on them by the powers that be over time, the material that was left out, the material that was edited.... it's insane. That alone should tell you that it probably isn't the best source for determining where we came from, or why we are here.

I've tried, I truly and honestly have, to see the bible from the perspective of those who have faith. Unfortunately, none of them can agree on it either. It's always struck me as something that is bent and twisted to fit whatever your view or perspective is. I am close friends with 2 people who give sermons regularly for their respective churches, and I've listened to both of them try to explain the factual aspects of the bible. They can't even agree, they both interpret things very differently. Then they stand in front of hundreds of people on Sunday and tell those people what that particular part of the bible means.

So, when someone tries to tell me they know or understand our origins, and that understanding comes from the bible... all I can do is shake my head.

 

[Scoresman]

The most upsetting part of Creationism is that it still gets taught in some schools as fact. The brainwashing is continuing with the next generation, turning more kids away from science. When the world runs out of oil, or when a meteor the size of Texas is detected as heading straight for the earth, or when the the Yellowstone caldera finally blows, it's science that's going to have a chance to save your ###, not Jesus.

The meteor the size of Texas is pretty much what Revelation says is going to happen in the end times.

The Yellowstone caldera could be the mountain of fire that rises from the ground in Revelation as well.

The world running out of oil could be seen as the continued prophecies of the Old Testament prophets of the end times as well, not to mention Christ's Olivet Discource relating to the lost oil (for lamps, not cars).

I know you are being both annoyed at Christians and trying to funny just a little mixed with a whole hell of a lot of scorn and ridicule with some sarcasm, but you can lighten up a little. Most of us are just trying to understand the world He gave us to live in for a short time. I really don't care what you do with your life or how you go about doing it, nor do I judge whatever choices you make (from a faith standpoint, I do judge Red Sox and Phillie fans, most Eagles fans, people that like Barbara Streisand and Barry Manilow and most people that don't have a sense of humor... those people suck.)

Sorry, but it does upset me to see the story of Creationism being taught as fact to children. No one with a rational brain can see it as anything other than a story. If you are trying to understand the world, I suggest you try a bit harder.

 

[LinusMarr]

Watching this it makes me feel sad that Nye has to be on the stage with this guy.

Nye is nerd....

But he had a motorcycle.

He better hope he doesnt die on it. Boy will he feel a bit dumb...

 

[Yankee23Fan]

The most upsetting part of Creationism is that it still gets taught in some schools as fact. The brainwashing is continuing with the next generation, turning more kids away from science. When the world runs out of oil, or when a meteor the size of Texas is detected as heading straight for the earth, or when the the Yellowstone caldera finally blows, it's science that's going to have a chance to save your ###, not Jesus.

The meteor the size of Texas is pretty much what Revelation says is going to happen in the end times.

The Yellowstone caldera could be the mountain of fire that rises from the ground in Revelation as well.

The world running out of oil could be seen as the continued prophecies of the Old Testament prophets of the end times as well, not to mention Christ's Olivet Discource relating to the lost oil (for lamps, not cars).

I know you are being both annoyed at Christians and trying to funny just a little mixed with a whole hell of a lot of scorn and ridicule with some sarcasm, but you can lighten up a little. Most of us are just trying to understand the world He gave us to live in for a short time. I really don't care what you do with your life or how you go about doing it, nor do I judge whatever choices you make (from a faith standpoint, I do judge Red Sox and Phillie fans, most Eagles fans, people that like Barbara Streisand and Barry Manilow and most people that don't have a sense of humor... those people suck.)

Sorry, but it does upset me to see the story of Creationism being taught as fact to children. No one with a rational brain can see it as anything other than a story. If you are trying to understand the world, I suggest you try a bit harder.

Ok, thanks.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Watching this it makes me feel sad that Nye has to be on the stage with this guy.

Nye is nerd....

But he had a motorcycle.

He better hope he doesnt die on it. Boy will he feel a bit dumb...

Because it's a sin to a die on a motorcycle and he'll be in hell?

 

[LinusMarr]

Watching this it makes me feel sad that Nye has to be on the stage with this guy.

Nye is nerd....

But he had a motorcycle.

He better hope he doesnt die on it. Boy will he feel a bit dumb...

Because it's a sin to a die on a motorcycle and he'll be in hell?

Im thinking the motorcycle is fine, just guessing...

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Watching this it makes me feel sad that Nye has to be on the stage with this guy.

Nye is nerd....

But he had a motorcycle.

He better hope he doesnt die on it. Boy will he feel a bit dumb...

Because it's a sin to a die on a motorcycle and he'll be in hell?

Im thinking the motorcycle is fine, just guessing...

Not sure what you're going for then.

 

[LinusMarr]

Watching this it makes me feel sad that Nye has to be on the stage with this guy.

Nye is nerd....

But he had a motorcycle.

He better hope he doesnt die on it. Boy will he feel a bit dumb...

Because it's a sin to a die on a motorcycle and he'll be in hell?

Im thinking the motorcycle is fine, just guessing...

Not sure what you're going for then.

Sure you do...

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

"Scientists"

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Watching this it makes me feel sad that Nye has to be on the stage with this guy.

Nye is nerd....

But he had a motorcycle.

He better hope he doesnt die on it. Boy will he feel a bit dumb...

Because it's a sin to a die on a motorcycle and he'll be in hell?

Im thinking the motorcycle is fine, just guessing...

Not sure what you're going for then.

Sure you do...

Spell it out for me, gb.

 

[joffer]

Guess the quote

Lets face it, there was a bishop [ussher] who added up the dates listed in Genesis and he came up with the world had been around for 6,000 years, ###### said. There aint no way thats possible. To say that it all came about in 6,000 years is just nonsense and I think its time we come off of that stuff and say this isnt possible.

He continued: Weve got to be realistic that the dating of Bishop Ussher just doesnt comport with anything that is found in science and you cant just totally deny the geological formations that are out there.

####### added that he disagrees with evolution as it is currently presented and knocked Creationists: Lets be real, lets not make a joke of ourselves.

 

[LinusMarr]

Watching this it makes me feel sad that Nye has to be on the stage with this guy.

Nye is nerd....

But he had a motorcycle.

He better hope he doesnt die on it. Boy will he feel a bit dumb...

Because it's a sin to a die on a motorcycle and he'll be in hell?

Im thinking the motorcycle is fine, just guessing...

Not sure what you're going for then.

Sure you do...

Spell it out for me, gb.

I have better things to do then spoon feed you...

 

[Thorn]

I'm a "young earther" - but I recall someone here on this board at some point opening my mind to the possibility that the earh was created as an "old or mature" earth - similar to Adam being created as a mature adult.

I'm going to watch the debate today, if it's still available for watching onlne.

As a young earth creationist, why even pretend that you need "evidence" for your beliefs? If you're gonna go with it, man, just go with it.

Nobody likes a guy who buries his head in the sand then keeps peeking out

Not burying my head or looking for any additional evidence at all. I hold to the Biblical position of a six day creation. I have no idea why you would think that entertaining the idea that earth may have been created as an "aged" creation is a compromise of beliefs - but whatever.

Holding to a literal view of the human/animal creation story, how are there animal fossils in a layer of "aged" earth that dates to millions of years ago?

You will never catch me wading into a debate arguing one way or another regarding "sceintific" anything.

You can show me what you call evidence about 100-million year old this or that and you might as well be trying to describe color to a blind man. It doesn't mean anything to me. I have no idea how the idea of aging something "millions of years" was ever developed. I've never taken the time to try and understand it, because it basically doesn't matter to me. I don't care how old the earth is. The earh may very well be millions of years old. However I have always held to a young earth - Biblical account of a 6 day creation - and only thought it was an interesting position to consider that the earth may have been crearted "mature".

I'm not here to defend my beliefs.

That is actually very sad.

This is why the last time I posted in a "religious" thread three years ago, I swore I wouldn't do it again.

hahahaha

Listen...I used to be a dogmatic Christian,...debating and arguing with people all the time about what I believe to be true and what non-believers thought - but it no longer matters to me. I understand that different people believe different things.

As much as believe the Bible and the creation story, I am also a big fan of science and have enjoyed wathing Bill Nye in the past and will continue watching him.

#1 Fan of Science

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Watching this it makes me feel sad that Nye has to be on the stage with this guy.

Nye is nerd....

But he had a motorcycle.

He better hope he doesnt die on it. Boy will he feel a bit dumb...

Because it's a sin to a die on a motorcycle and he'll be in hell?

Im thinking the motorcycle is fine, just guessing...

Not sure what you're going for then.

Sure you do...

Spell it out for me, gb.

I have better things to do then spoon feed you...

Cool story. Really compelling.

 

[IC FBGCav]

When it come to this topic I just wish people you do their own research no matter what side you are on. When we are raised we get our parents beliefs no matter what they are. Sooner or later you need to leave the nest and not take what they say as fact and do your own research and come to your own conclusions. Both God/Science would want you to do that.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Guess the quote

Lets face it, there was a bishop [ussher] who added up the dates listed in Genesis and he came up with the world had been around for 6,000 years, ###### said. There aint no way thats possible. To say that it all came about in 6,000 years is just nonsense and I think its time we come off of that stuff and say this isnt possible.

He continued: Weve got to be realistic that the dating of Bishop Ussher just doesnt comport with anything that is found in science and you cant just totally deny the geological formations that are out there.

####### added that he disagrees with evolution as it is currently presented and knocked Creationists: Lets be real, lets not make a joke of ourselves.

David Lee Roth.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Guess the quote

Lets face it, there was a bishop [ussher] who added up the dates listed in Genesis and he came up with the world had been around for 6,000 years, ###### said. There aint no way thats possible. To say that it all came about in 6,000 years is just nonsense and I think its time we come off of that stuff and say this isnt possible.

He continued: Weve got to be realistic that the dating of Bishop Ussher just doesnt comport with anything that is found in science and you cant just totally deny the geological formations that are out there.

####### added that he disagrees with evolution as it is currently presented and knocked Creationists: Lets be real, lets not make a joke of ourselves.

Hate that guy. Did you know he ran for President again George HW Bush and actually beat him in Iowa? That would have been fun.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Summary in gif form

 

[trogg78]

Pat Robertson. What do I win?

 

[dgreen]

No one with a rational brain can see it as anything other than a story.

Observational data tells me plenty of people with a rational brain believe it as more than just a story.

 

[trogg78]

Mr. Wizard would have destroyed those losers. RIP.

 

[timschochet]

I'm curious about something that Ham raised, as sort of a side issue, in the debate: several times he attempted to produce scientists who accept young earth creationism. His main example was that guy in England who apparently helped worked on a satellite for NASA. Ham's point is that there are, according to him, reasonable and smart people who live their daily lives in a rational, even scientific manner, yet who believe in YEC. Dennis Prager has made this same point many times on his radio program.

Does this contradiction bother anyone here? For example, if you learned that your doctor was a Young earth Creationist, would that make you quit going to that doctor? How about if it was your mechanic? How about your child's geometry teacher? In what fields would YEC make you uncomfortable?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

All of them except my baseball players. Carl Everett/Luke Scott>hi

 

[NCCommish]

I'm curious about something that Ham raised, as sort of a side issue, in the debate: several times he attempted to produce scientists who accept young earth creationism. His main example was that guy in England who apparently helped worked on a satellite for NASA. Ham's point is that there are, according to him, reasonable and smart people who live their daily lives in a rational, even scientific manner, yet who believe in YEC. Dennis Prager has made this same point many times on his radio program.

Does this contradiction bother anyone here? For example, if you learned that your doctor was a Young earth Creationist, would that make you quit going to that doctor? How about if it was your mechanic? How about your child's geometry teacher? In what fields would YEC make you uncomfortable?

I don't care what my auto mechanic thinks about science since what he deal with is straight forward, I would not want a doctor who was YEC. As for whoever Hamm mentioned it is likely they are just another fraud like the US NASA guy who uses well known fraudulent "archaeological" evidence to make his point that dinosaurs and people lived together.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I'm curious about something that Ham raised, as sort of a side issue, in the debate: several times he attempted to produce scientists who accept young earth creationism. His main example was that guy in England who apparently helped worked on a satellite for NASA. Ham's point is that there are, according to him, reasonable and smart people who live their daily lives in a rational, even scientific manner, yet who believe in YEC. Dennis Prager has made this same point many times on his radio program.

Does this contradiction bother anyone here? For example, if you learned that your doctor was a Young earth Creationist, would that make you quit going to that doctor? How about if it was your mechanic? How about your child's geometry teacher? In what fields would YEC make you uncomfortable?

I would be really worried about a YEC who was an archeologist specializing in civilations more than 7000 years old. Huge conflict of interest there.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I'm curious about something that Ham raised, as sort of a side issue, in the debate: several times he attempted to produce scientists who accept young earth creationism. His main example was that guy in England who apparently helped worked on a satellite for NASA. Ham's point is that there are, according to him, reasonable and smart people who live their daily lives in a rational, even scientific manner, yet who believe in YEC. Dennis Prager has made this same point many times on his radio program.

Does this contradiction bother anyone here? For example, if you learned that your doctor was a Young earth Creationist, would that make you quit going to that doctor? How about if it was your mechanic? How about your child's geometry teacher? In what fields would YEC make you uncomfortable?

I don't care what my auto mechanic thinks about science since what he deal with is straight forward, I would not want a doctor who was YEC. As for whoever Hamm mentioned it is likely they are just another fraud like the US NASA guy who uses well known fraudulent "archaeological" evidence to make his point that dinosaurs and people lived together.

Dude, that was Michael Creighton. Did you see Jurrasic Park?

 

[joffer]

I'm curious about something that Ham raised, as sort of a side issue, in the debate: several times he attempted to produce scientists who accept young earth creationism. His main example was that guy in England who apparently helped worked on a satellite for NASA. Ham's point is that there are, according to him, reasonable and smart people who live their daily lives in a rational, even scientific manner, yet who believe in YEC. Dennis Prager has made this same point many times on his radio program.

Does this contradiction bother anyone here? For example, if you learned that your doctor was a Young earth Creationist, would that make you quit going to that doctor? How about if it was your mechanic? How about your child's geometry teacher? In what fields would YEC make you uncomfortable?

Kurt Wise, PhD in Geology:

Although there are scientific reasons for accepting a young earth, I am a young age creationist because that is my understanding of the Scripture. As I shared with my professors years ago when I was in college, if all the evidence in the universe turns against creationism, I would be the first to admit it, but I would still be a creationist because that is what the Word of God seems to indicate.

Why would that contradiction bother me? It only reinforces the ridiculousness of blind faith.

 

[Scoresman]

I'm curious about something that Ham raised, as sort of a side issue, in the debate: several times he attempted to produce scientists who accept young earth creationism. His main example was that guy in England who apparently helped worked on a satellite for NASA. Ham's point is that there are, according to him, reasonable and smart people who live their daily lives in a rational, even scientific manner, yet who believe in YEC. Dennis Prager has made this same point many times on his radio program.

Does this contradiction bother anyone here? For example, if you learned that your doctor was a Young earth Creationist, would that make you quit going to that doctor? How about if it was your mechanic? How about your child's geometry teacher? In what fields would YEC make you uncomfortable?

I don't care what my mechanic believes. I absolutely would not want my doctor or child's teacher believing in YEC. The doctor because who knows if he's really going to use medicine to help me or my family members or if he's going to just trust that God will take care of me and give me a different diagnosis. If he's dumb enough to think that YEC is fact, then I wouldn't put that sort of thing past him/her. The teacher for obvious reasons. Don't want my kid potentially being taught false info as fact.

 

[dgreen]

I would not want a doctor who was YEC.

Because you think he'll misdiagnose you? Because he will prescribe you the wrong treatment/medicine? Because the surgeon might cut you in the wrong place?

I'm sure there are good doctors and bad doctors out there, but I'd be shocked if that was based on creation beliefs. They both graduate from medical schools and pass the same exams.

 

[NCCommish]

I'm curious about something that Ham raised, as sort of a side issue, in the debate: several times he attempted to produce scientists who accept young earth creationism. His main example was that guy in England who apparently helped worked on a satellite for NASA. Ham's point is that there are, according to him, reasonable and smart people who live their daily lives in a rational, even scientific manner, yet who believe in YEC. Dennis Prager has made this same point many times on his radio program.

Does this contradiction bother anyone here? For example, if you learned that your doctor was a Young earth Creationist, would that make you quit going to that doctor? How about if it was your mechanic? How about your child's geometry teacher? In what fields would YEC make you uncomfortable?

I don't care what my auto mechanic thinks about science since what he deal with is straight forward, I would not want a doctor who was YEC. As for whoever Hamm mentioned it is likely they are just another fraud like the US NASA guy who uses well known fraudulent "archaeological" evidence to make his point that dinosaurs and people lived together.

Dude, that was Michael Creighton. Did you see Jurrasic Park?

And? He is the one who called scientific consensus a fraud. You know who feels that way? People who are on the wrong side of consensus.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I'm curious about something that Ham raised, as sort of a side issue, in the debate: several times he attempted to produce scientists who accept young earth creationism. His main example was that guy in England who apparently helped worked on a satellite for NASA. Ham's point is that there are, according to him, reasonable and smart people who live their daily lives in a rational, even scientific manner, yet who believe in YEC. Dennis Prager has made this same point many times on his radio program.

Does this contradiction bother anyone here? For example, if you learned that your doctor was a Young earth Creationist, would that make you quit going to that doctor? How about if it was your mechanic? How about your child's geometry teacher? In what fields would YEC make you uncomfortable?

I don't care what my auto mechanic thinks about science since what he deal with is straight forward, I would not want a doctor who was YEC. As for whoever Hamm mentioned it is likely they are just another fraud like the US NASA guy who uses well known fraudulent "archaeological" evidence to make his point that dinosaurs and people lived together.

Dude, that was Michael Creighton. Did you see Jurrasic Park?

And? He is the one who called scientific consensus a fraud. You know who feels that way? People who are on the wrong side of consensus.

Eh, consensus gave us slavery, illegal hookers and Justin Beiber. Sometimes consensus sucks.

 

[dgreen]

I'm curious about something that Ham raised, as sort of a side issue, in the debate: several times he attempted to produce scientists who accept young earth creationism. His main example was that guy in England who apparently helped worked on a satellite for NASA. Ham's point is that there are, according to him, reasonable and smart people who live their daily lives in a rational, even scientific manner, yet who believe in YEC. Dennis Prager has made this same point many times on his radio program.

Does this contradiction bother anyone here? For example, if you learned that your doctor was a Young earth Creationist, would that make you quit going to that doctor? How about if it was your mechanic? How about your child's geometry teacher? In what fields would YEC make you uncomfortable?

I don't care what my mechanic believes. I absolutely would not want my doctor or child's teacher believing in YEC. The doctor because who knows if he's really going to use medicine to help me or my family members or if he's going to just trust that God will take care of me and give me a different diagnosis. If he's dumb enough to think that YEC is fact, then I wouldn't put that sort of thing past him/her. The teacher for obvious reasons. Don't want my kid potentially being taught false info as fact.

Are you going to ask every doctor you see and every one of your kid's teachers if they are a YEC? Because I guarantee you that you will be treated by a YEC doctor or your kid will be taught by a YEC teacher if you don't ask.

 

[NCCommish]

I'm curious about something that Ham raised, as sort of a side issue, in the debate: several times he attempted to produce scientists who accept young earth creationism. His main example was that guy in England who apparently helped worked on a satellite for NASA. Ham's point is that there are, according to him, reasonable and smart people who live their daily lives in a rational, even scientific manner, yet who believe in YEC. Dennis Prager has made this same point many times on his radio program.

Does this contradiction bother anyone here? For example, if you learned that your doctor was a Young earth Creationist, would that make you quit going to that doctor? How about if it was your mechanic? How about your child's geometry teacher? In what fields would YEC make you uncomfortable?

I don't care what my auto mechanic thinks about science since what he deal with is straight forward, I would not want a doctor who was YEC. As for whoever Hamm mentioned it is likely they are just another fraud like the US NASA guy who uses well known fraudulent "archaeological" evidence to make his point that dinosaurs and people lived together.

Dude, that was Michael Creighton. Did you see Jurrasic Park?

And? He is the one who called scientific consensus a fraud. You know who feels that way? People who are on the wrong side of consensus.

Eh, consensus gave us slavery, illegal hookers and Justin Beiber. Sometimes consensus sucks.

Pretty sure none of those are related to scientific consensus.

 

[Scoresman]

I would not want a doctor who was YEC.

Because you think he'll misdiagnose you? Because he will prescribe you the wrong treatment/medicine? Because the surgeon might cut you in the wrong place?

I'm sure there are good doctors and bad doctors out there, but I'd be shocked if that was based on creation beliefs. They both graduate from medical schools and pass the same exams.

The problem is that I have a hard time conceptualizing a doctor that was smart enough to get through med school, but is seemingly not smart enough to see the overwhelming evidence against YEC. It's the same kind of blind faith that could lead to a misdiagnosis.

"Hi, Scoresman? This is Dr. Robertson. That tumor in Mrs. Scoresman's chest is nothing to worry about. We're going to reduce your wife's chemo and leave the rest in God's hands."

Yeah... no thanks.

 

[Scoresman]

I'm curious about something that Ham raised, as sort of a side issue, in the debate: several times he attempted to produce scientists who accept young earth creationism. His main example was that guy in England who apparently helped worked on a satellite for NASA. Ham's point is that there are, according to him, reasonable and smart people who live their daily lives in a rational, even scientific manner, yet who believe in YEC. Dennis Prager has made this same point many times on his radio program.

Does this contradiction bother anyone here? For example, if you learned that your doctor was a Young earth Creationist, would that make you quit going to that doctor? How about if it was your mechanic? How about your child's geometry teacher? In what fields would YEC make you uncomfortable?

I don't care what my mechanic believes. I absolutely would not want my doctor or child's teacher believing in YEC. The doctor because who knows if he's really going to use medicine to help me or my family members or if he's going to just trust that God will take care of me and give me a different diagnosis. If he's dumb enough to think that YEC is fact, then I wouldn't put that sort of thing past him/her. The teacher for obvious reasons. Don't want my kid potentially being taught false info as fact.

Are you going to ask every doctor you see and every one of your kid's teachers if they are a YEC? Because I guarantee you that you will be treated by a YEC doctor or your kid will be taught by a YEC teacher if you don't ask.

In the case of my doctor, I'm playing the odds that there probably aren't many YEC doctors. In the case of my kid's teacher, I absolutely would do research.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I'm curious about something that Ham raised, as sort of a side issue, in the debate: several times he attempted to produce scientists who accept young earth creationism. His main example was that guy in England who apparently helped worked on a satellite for NASA. Ham's point is that there are, according to him, reasonable and smart people who live their daily lives in a rational, even scientific manner, yet who believe in YEC. Dennis Prager has made this same point many times on his radio program.

Does this contradiction bother anyone here? For example, if you learned that your doctor was a Young earth Creationist, would that make you quit going to that doctor? How about if it was your mechanic? How about your child's geometry teacher? In what fields would YEC make you uncomfortable?

I don't care what my auto mechanic thinks about science since what he deal with is straight forward, I would not want a doctor who was YEC. As for whoever Hamm mentioned it is likely they are just another fraud like the US NASA guy who uses well known fraudulent "archaeological" evidence to make his point that dinosaurs and people lived together.

Dude, that was Michael Creighton. Did you see Jurrasic Park?

And? He is the one who called scientific consensus a fraud. You know who feels that way? People who are on the wrong side of consensus.

Eh, consensus gave us slavery, illegal hookers and Justin Beiber. Sometimes consensus sucks.

Pretty sure none of those are related to scientific consensus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism

http://www.lse.ac.uk/geographyAndEnvironment/whosWho/profiles/neumayer/pdf/Article-for-World-Development-_prostitution_-anonymous-REVISED.pdf

http://www.nme.com/news/justin-bieber/68297

 

[joffer]

I'm curious about something that Ham raised, as sort of a side issue, in the debate: several times he attempted to produce scientists who accept young earth creationism. His main example was that guy in England who apparently helped worked on a satellite for NASA. Ham's point is that there are, according to him, reasonable and smart people who live their daily lives in a rational, even scientific manner, yet who believe in YEC. Dennis Prager has made this same point many times on his radio program.

Does this contradiction bother anyone here? For example, if you learned that your doctor was a Young earth Creationist, would that make you quit going to that doctor? How about if it was your mechanic? How about your child's geometry teacher? In what fields would YEC make you uncomfortable?

I don't care what my mechanic believes. I absolutely would not want my doctor or child's teacher believing in YEC. The doctor because who knows if he's really going to use medicine to help me or my family members or if he's going to just trust that God will take care of me and give me a different diagnosis. If he's dumb enough to think that YEC is fact, then I wouldn't put that sort of thing past him/her. The teacher for obvious reasons. Don't want my kid potentially being taught false info as fact.

Are you going to ask every doctor you see and every one of your kid's teachers if they are a YEC? Because I guarantee you that you will be treated by a YEC doctor or your kid will be taught by a YEC teacher if you don't ask.

In the case of my doctor, I'm playing the odds that there probably aren't many YEC doctors.

Just a Congressman on the Science and Technology Committee.

 

[BoltzNBrew]

Ham's view that we weren't there so it didn't happen is laughable. Nye crushed him in this debate.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

I'm curious about something that Ham raised, as sort of a side issue, in the debate: several times he attempted to produce scientists who accept young earth creationism. His main example was that guy in England who apparently helped worked on a satellite for NASA. Ham's point is that there are, according to him, reasonable and smart people who live their daily lives in a rational, even scientific manner, yet who believe in YEC. Dennis Prager has made this same point many times on his radio program.

Does this contradiction bother anyone here? For example, if you learned that your doctor was a Young earth Creationist, would that make you quit going to that doctor? How about if it was your mechanic? How about your child's geometry teacher? In what fields would YEC make you uncomfortable?

I don't care what my mechanic believes. I absolutely would not want my doctor or child's teacher believing in YEC. The doctor because who knows if he's really going to use medicine to help me or my family members or if he's going to just trust that God will take care of me and give me a different diagnosis. If he's dumb enough to think that YEC is fact, then I wouldn't put that sort of thing past him/her. The teacher for obvious reasons. Don't want my kid potentially being taught false info as fact.

You might want to homeschool your kids then - anyone might teach false info as fact unintentionally. Yourself included. Mind blown.

 

[dgreen]

I'm curious about something that Ham raised, as sort of a side issue, in the debate: several times he attempted to produce scientists who accept young earth creationism. His main example was that guy in England who apparently helped worked on a satellite for NASA. Ham's point is that there are, according to him, reasonable and smart people who live their daily lives in a rational, even scientific manner, yet who believe in YEC. Dennis Prager has made this same point many times on his radio program.

Does this contradiction bother anyone here? For example, if you learned that your doctor was a Young earth Creationist, would that make you quit going to that doctor? How about if it was your mechanic? How about your child's geometry teacher? In what fields would YEC make you uncomfortable?

I don't care what my mechanic believes. I absolutely would not want my doctor or child's teacher believing in YEC. The doctor because who knows if he's really going to use medicine to help me or my family members or if he's going to just trust that God will take care of me and give me a different diagnosis. If he's dumb enough to think that YEC is fact, then I wouldn't put that sort of thing past him/her. The teacher for obvious reasons. Don't want my kid potentially being taught false info as fact.

Are you going to ask every doctor you see and every one of your kid's teachers if they are a YEC? Because I guarantee you that you will be treated by a YEC doctor or your kid will be taught by a YEC teacher if you don't ask.

In the case of my doctor, I'm playing the odds that there probably aren't many YEC doctors. In the case of my kid's teacher, I absolutely would do research.

Research? What are you going to do? Stalk the teacher? Follow him to see if he goes to church and then sit across the room from him during Sunday morning Bible class and see if he says anything about creation or evolution? And if he does, that means he's going to teach your kid that a^2 + b^2 does not equal c^2?

That's ok, I guess. Many people do this type of thing. In fact, many Christians may be hesitant to be treated by a non-Christian doctor or have their kids go to a non-Christian school. So, you're not alone.

 

[Uwe Blab]

I'm curious about something that Ham raised, as sort of a side issue, in the debate: several times he attempted to produce scientists who accept young earth creationism. His main example was that guy in England who apparently helped worked on a satellite for NASA. Ham's point is that there are, according to him, reasonable and smart people who live their daily lives in a rational, even scientific manner, yet who believe in YEC. Dennis Prager has made this same point many times on his radio program.

Does this contradiction bother anyone here? For example, if you learned that your doctor was a Young earth Creationist, would that make you quit going to that doctor? How about if it was your mechanic? How about your child's geometry teacher? In what fields would YEC make you uncomfortable?

I don't care what my mechanic believes. I absolutely would not want my doctor or child's teacher believing in YEC. The doctor because who knows if he's really going to use medicine to help me or my family members or if he's going to just trust that God will take care of me and give me a different diagnosis. If he's dumb enough to think that YEC is fact, then I wouldn't put that sort of thing past him/her. The teacher for obvious reasons. Don't want my kid potentially being taught false info as fact.

Are you going to ask every doctor you see and every one of your kid's teachers if they are a YEC? Because I guarantee you that you will be treated by a YEC doctor or your kid will be taught by a YEC teacher if you don't ask.

In the case of my doctor, I'm playing the odds that there probably aren't many YEC doctors. In the case of my kid's teacher, I absolutely would do research.

God created feet and the creeps that slobber over pictures of them.

 

[JAMES!]

There are businesses that advertise as being a "Christian" business and some people will only do business with those companies. Is what Scoresman is saying any different than what those people doing?

 

[Scoresman]

I'm curious about something that Ham raised, as sort of a side issue, in the debate: several times he attempted to produce scientists who accept young earth creationism. His main example was that guy in England who apparently helped worked on a satellite for NASA. Ham's point is that there are, according to him, reasonable and smart people who live their daily lives in a rational, even scientific manner, yet who believe in YEC. Dennis Prager has made this same point many times on his radio program.

Does this contradiction bother anyone here? For example, if you learned that your doctor was a Young earth Creationist, would that make you quit going to that doctor? How about if it was your mechanic? How about your child's geometry teacher? In what fields would YEC make you uncomfortable?

I don't care what my mechanic believes. I absolutely would not want my doctor or child's teacher believing in YEC. The doctor because who knows if he's really going to use medicine to help me or my family members or if he's going to just trust that God will take care of me and give me a different diagnosis. If he's dumb enough to think that YEC is fact, then I wouldn't put that sort of thing past him/her. The teacher for obvious reasons. Don't want my kid potentially being taught false info as fact.

Are you going to ask every doctor you see and every one of your kid's teachers if they are a YEC? Because I guarantee you that you will be treated by a YEC doctor or your kid will be taught by a YEC teacher if you don't ask.

In the case of my doctor, I'm playing the odds that there probably aren't many YEC doctors. In the case of my kid's teacher, I absolutely would do research.

Research? What are you going to do? Stalk the teacher? Follow him to see if he goes to church and then sit across the room from him during Sunday morning Bible class and see if he says anything about creation or evolution? And if he does, that means he's going to teach your kid that a^2 + b^2 does not equal c^2?

That's ok, I guess. Many people do this type of thing. In fact, many Christians may be hesitant to be treated by a non-Christian doctor or have their kids go to a non-Christian school. So, you're not alone.

No need to be obtuse. It's not that hard. If a teacher around here was spewing Creationism, it would get around. Most would probably be upset. Parents would talk. It wouldn't be as hard as you're making it out to be. I would also never live in an area where teaching creationism is the norm making them stand out even more.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I don't care if my doctor believes in voodoo curses as long as he doesn't prescribe me oral antibiotics for an inner ear infection.

 

[matuski]

Science and religion should not be at odds.

If you believe that god created man, then god created scientists.

It isn't about anything other than controlling the message, not wanting to relinquish anything in regards to influence and power.

The entire "debate" makes no sense whatsoever until you look at it with this as your starting point.